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The death of Indian outsourcing
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You found a good pile of insightful comments. The growth rates of both
India and China have begun to decline from low double digets now into high
single digets and that trend parallels figures I've seen for fully
developed countries (Europe/US/Japan/etc) once they become fully
developed. This means that India and China are headed into a kind of
"saturation." Who else can they sell anything to? Other less developed 3rd
world countries will undercut India/China (eg. Viet Nam, which has said
in the media that it will be 30% cheaper than China).

I only looked at the first URL, and its 49 pages of article plus comments.

However, my sample quotes and reference list (along similar themes,
including that offshoring has already started going to 3rd world
countries other than India) from some of the articles I've read is
below....

Reference List: India No Longer Offshore IT King
(36 references to recent articles, from present
back to 2005)

Offshore outsourcing (including BPO to India) is
declining as a fraction of total world-wide IT service
to developed countries and has a high failure rate,
not necessarily high quality service, is leading to
a new phenomenon: backsourcing/backshoring.
Somethings called the "H-1B swindle" is discussed
below. And there are some reports that outsourcing
is declining or reversing.

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Financial Times, Weds, Aug 18, 2010, front page:

"US proves call centre match for India over hire costs"...Quotes:
"Call centre workers are becoming as cheap to hire in the US as they are
in India, according to the head of the largest business process
outsourcing company in the Asian community." "At the same time, wages in
India's outsourcing sector have risen by 10 per cent this year and senior
outsourcing managers based in the country command salaries above global
averages." "Pramod Bhasin, the cheif executive of Genpact, said his
company expected to treble its workforce in the US over the next two
years, from about 1,500 employees now." "The narrowing of the traditional
cost advantage is also spurring other Indian outsourcers to hire more
staff outside India." Said Suresh Vaswani (Wipro) began recruiting many
workers around the world and that half of his companies 110,000 employees
will be non-Indians in two years. Second article on page 13 of the same
newspaper: "China proves to be the toughest frontier for India's
outsourcers"-- Basic story: India is up against the wall with the Chinese.
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35. Wall Street Journal, March 12, 2010, page B1:

title:"Caterpillar Joins 'Onshoring' Trend"

Quotes: "Caterpillar Inc., is considering relocating some heavy-equipments
overseas production to a new U.S. plant, part of a growing movement among
manufacturers to bring more operations back home..." "The trend, known as
onshoring or reshoring, is gaining momentum as a weak U.S. dollar makes it
costlier to import products from overseas." "After a decades of rapid
globalization, economists say companies are seeing disadvantages of
offshore production, including shipping costs, complicated logistics, and
quality issues. Political unrest and theft of intellectual property pose
additional risks." Article makes reference to the Manufacturers Alliance
(MAPI), a public policy and economics research group in Arlington, VA.
"General Electric Co. said last June it would move production of some
water heaters from China to its facility in Louiville, Ky, starting in
2011." "Last year, U.S. Block Windows,...after studying logistics...came
back to the USA." "'When we started looking at the costs and complexities
of the inventory and lead times, there really wasn't any savings' said
Block Windows president Roger Murphy."
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34. WSJ, Oct 5, 2009, page B1:

title:"Indian Tech Outsourcers Aim to Widen Contracts"

contains the following sentences:

"But the days of 30% annual revenue growth from such work are over, a
casualty of the global economic downturn and increasing competition in the
services industry world-wide."

"Annual revenue growth in Indian technology services slowed to 16 % in
fiscal year ended in March. The industry's trade group, Nasscom, estimates
growth will be only 4% to 7% this fiscal year."

page B7 (continuation):

"Adding to the pressure on Indian firms is increased competition from
outsourcers based in the U.S. that have expanded their presences in
India, and the rise of competitors in even cheaper offshoring locales
such as the Philippines and Vietnam."

"But Indian companies are still having a hard time shaking their
reputation as the vendors of choice for low-cost, commodity services. And
on bigger, infrastructure heavy deals, they can no longer beat rivals on
price."

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33. From Business Week, October 5, 2009, title "The Peril and Promise of
Investing in Russia," starting on page 49, about 1/3 way into article is
this paragraph on page 50:

"Consider IT giant Intel, which moved into Russia in 1999 and since then
has invested $800 million. It now employs more than 1,000 engineers at
four research centers, including its largest software [R&D] group outside
of the U.S. Because of Russia's top-notch math skills, Intel assigns local
engineers more complex work than it gives specialits in other outsourcing
venues such as India, says Dimitry Konash, the company's Moscow-based
regional director."

And the picture caption on page 52 says "Russian worker's math skills give
them an edge over Indian engineers, says Intel's Konash"

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32. Business Week, May 4, 2009 issue, page 59: title: "The Sudden Chill
at an Indian Hot Spot." Picture caption says:"A commercial real estate
boom has turned into a glut, with vacancy rates of 28%" "In the second half
of 2008, as American and European clients hit the skids, India's outsourcing
industry saw contracts shrivel by 22%, its worst performance in a decade,
according to research firm Technology Partners International." "Nobody in
India collects layoff data, but every day papers carry dire news...." as
many named Indian companies announce layoffs.

Sidebar at the bottom of page 60:

"Outsourcing to India may soon be old news. KPMG has identified 31 new hot
spots, from Buenos Aires to Zagreb, and from Indianapolis [in the USA] to
Iloilo City (a Philippines town known for its animation services).

It gives the URL for that KPMG report as:
http://bx.businessweek.com/global-outsourcing/reference
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31. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601110&sid=aB5yoCVxbXe4
Delta Air Returns Customer Call-Center Work to U.S. From India

April 18 (Bloomberg) -- Delta Air Lines Inc., the world~Rs largest
carrier, said it stopped routing customer service calls to India and
brought them back in house in the U.S. because customers were unhappy.
Delta started shifting the calls to employees in the U.S. over the
past year, and completely removed Indian contractors last quarter,
Chief Executive Officer Richard Anderson said in his weekly recorded
message to employees.
The move makes Delta the second big carrier to repatriate customer-
service work from India in 2009, after UAL Corp. United Airlines
did so in February. Companies including AT&T Inc. have taken similar
steps, said Karl Keirstead, an outsourcing analyst at Kaufman Bros.
LP in New York.
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30. Subject: More Jobs coming back to the USA from India
WSJ, April 7, 2009, Tuesday, page B5:
title: "Sallie Mae To Shift Jobs to the U.S."
Quote: "AP. New York--Sallie Mae gave some hope to the unemployed Monday,
announcing it will bring 2,000 jobs to the U.S. within the next 18 months as
it shifts call-center and other operations from overseas."
And, same story in Washington Post, April 7, 2009, page A18:
title: "SLM to Transfer Overseas Jobs to U.S."
subtitle: "Reston Student Lender to Move 2,000 Workers Out of Asia"
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29.(BusinessWeek/SmallBiz, Feb/Mar 2008) title:
"Outsourcing HEADING SOUTH" by Amy Barrett, "Jon
Morris...shifted his outsourced design and Web
development staff from India to Costa Rica in 2005"
and he made reference to not having to deal with
the time zone difference with India. "Forget
'Chindia,' A growing number of entrepreneurs are
finding Latin America a great place to sell,
source, and outsource.." Article says US companies
exported 30% more goods to Latin America, up 30%
from five years earlier. Direct investment to LA up
12% in 2006 over 2005. LA has less daunting
language and cultural problems. Countries featured:
Mexico, Brazil, Columbia, Chile, and
Argentina.(businessweek.com/smallbiz).

CFO magazine (www.cfo.com/backissues?), February,
2008, p. 24: "view from asia" in an interview with
Deepak Natraj, Infosys's head of strategic
initiatives: "Everyone assumes that we're going to
slash and burn and send two-thirds of the people
home," (and the bring over Indians on L visas) "But
when you send home the workforce, what are you
paying for?" Natraj "...prefers leaving the local
CEO--as well as the human-resources director --in
place."

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28. Subject: "India's Competition in the Caribbean"
from Business Week,
Dec 24, 2007 issue, page 072, edited by Jena
McGregor:

"The region [the Carribean], along with Latin
America, is fast becoming a customer-service
hot spot. GE Money is...using call centers in Barbados
and Puerto Rico. Delta Air Lines is sending calls
to Jamaica." "...Philip Peters, CEO of Zagada Markets,
....[says]..the ranks of Caribbean call-center agents have
swelled from 11,000 in 2002 to 55,000 in 2007.
Hispanics are boosting demand for bilingual agents,
driving companies to Central and South America, too.
Dell and [HP]...have set up in countries
such as Panama and Argentina.'Latin America is the
fastest-growing region that we have,' says Mark
Notaraninni, HP's call-center director."

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27. Subject: Dell shuts down hardware R&D unit in
India and moves back to USA

"BENGALURU, India -- Dell Inc. is about to shut
down its hardware R&D unit based in this city, and
will move the work being done here to its centers in
Texas and Taiwan. Anywhere between two dozen to 170
staff will lose their jobs as a result; they have been given
45 days to find new employment."

"A Dell executive blamed rising costs in the city
for shifting the R&D unit out of the country, but
current and previous staffers have pointed
out that employing similar engineers in Austin,
Texas, or Taiwan would likely be more expensive,
not less."

"This is the second time the company has shifted
work out of India. Citing customer complaints about
quality about four years ago, Dell moved part of
its high-end technical support out of India."

http://www.eetimes.com/news/semi/showArticle.jhtm
l?articleID=204701812
(originally posted on a.c.c Dec 6, 2007)
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26. From WSJ, Aug 21, 2007, page A6 (see title
above): Quote of first paragraph: "CAIRO, Egypt--
As rising wages and attrition rates in India
spur some international companies to seek new
locales for outsourcing operations, Southeast Asian,
Eastern Europe, and Latin America have all
been competing to become new offshoring hubs." The
article says Satyam CS hired 300 in Cairo; Wipro
set up in Saudi Arabia and plans to enter Egypt,
Tata says it will go into Morocco. Says in recent
years Egypt, Jordan and the UAE have all broken
into the top 20 for offshoring destinations.
Quotes A.T. Kerney as saying the Middle East is the
next big destination. Paris-based Teleperformance
hired 3,500 in Tunisia, and going into Cairo.
EDS is putting $100 million into Abu Dhabi (UAE
emirate), and already hired 450 in Egypt and planning
to hire more. The sidebar clearly implies that India is no
longer the offshore destination any more. On the list in
the sidebar for offshoring destinations are China,
Malaysia, Thailand, Brazil, Indonesia, Chile, Phillipines,
Bulgaria, Mexico, Singapore, Slovakia, Egypt, Jordan,
and Estonia.

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25, From Business Week, August 6, 2007, page 66m
("Rise of the Rupee") and The Economist, July 28, 2007,
pages 65-66 ("Outsourcing-External Affairs").

From BW: Quotes: '"We are losing our competitiveness to
China, Korea, Taiwan, and Singapore...and the Reserve
Bank [of India] is allowing the rupee to appreciate?" growls
New Delhi economist Surjit Bhalla." And, "Profitability across
the sector [Indian IT] fell by 8% in the most recent quarter."
And, "A further rise in the rupee, says Suresh Ramrakhiani,
economist at the Cotton Textile Export Promotion Council
in Mumbai, could lead to job losses for up to 200,000 people."

From The Economist: "...jobs no longer flow only from richer
countries to poorer ones." And, "The latest outsourcing from
TPI, a consultancy, was published earlier this month. It
showed that both the number and value of contracts awarded
during the first half of this year had declined in comparison with
the same period in 2006 [lowest since 2001]." Article also
says Wipro is going to set up its first software-development
center in America (either Atlanta, Austin, Raleigh, or
Richmond) and "Azim Premji, Wipro's chairman, says that the
proportion of local employees (as opposed to visiting Indians)
in the company's overseas locations will rise from
10% to one-third over the next three years." Jobs
coming back to the USA.

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24. title: "Infosys Shaves Forecast After Strong
Quarter" by Jackie Range (WSJ, July 12, 2007, page C8)

"...citing the stronger currency, Bangalore-based
Infosys cut its full-year, rupee-based earnings outlook..."
and "In the past three months, the rupee has appreciated
some 7% against the dollar. That has particularly hurt
companies like Infosys, which earn most of their revenue
in dollars." The graphic, made from data provided
by the company, shows projected 1Q, '08 net profits
as being below 4Q, '07 net profits by about 7 %. Looks
like India's "rising" and "shining" may be coming to an end as
more foreign companies don't consider India as an
outsourcing destination any more (see below).

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23. from: The Wall Street Journal, Tuesday, July 3,
2007, front page

title: "Some in Silicon Valley Begin to Sour on
India" subtitle: "A Few Bring Jobs Back As Pay of Top
Engineers In Bangalore Skyrockets" by Pui-Wing Tam
and Jackie Range

Interviews and research with quotes as follows:

Munjal Shah [with image of him, and born in India]
led a California start-up [Riya] opened an office in
Bangalore in 2005, hired about 20 skilled software
developers at 1/4 what they cost in Silcon Valley. Then
salaries soared. He said this year it cost 75% of
SV salaries, plus extra expenses of running an office
in India, and in April this year he closed the Bangalore
office.

"Across SV, some technology companies, particularly
start up and midsize ones, are beginning to turn away
from India for low-cost labor to do sophisitcated tech
work. Kana ... eliminated 100 software-developemnt jobs
in India in late 2005 and expanded its U.S. hiring
instead. Teneros, Inc., shut down a 30 member
India office and brought 12 of the people to its
headquarters in ...California."

The article mentioned that Apple cancelled plans to
open a facility in India.

"'The wage inflation rate for engineers in India is
four times what it is here' in America, says Intel's
chief executive, Paul Otellini."

Article says Indian wage inflation is 10-15% per
year, other sources say it is closer to 50%.

"India is no longer the premier outsourcing
destination."

Article says even the simple call-center work may
be done more cheaply in the Philippines and Vietnam,
and mentions that Indian companies are even
looking outside India to create jobs. TCS recently
opened a center in Mexico and is considering a move
to Morocco. Wipro has two centers in China and
planning one for the Philippines.

Pervasive Software (from Texas) opened a Bangalore
unit in 2004 with 45 people, but turnover reached more
than 25% per year. Last year it closed the
Bangalore office.

The article mentioned that it takes more supervisors to
manage Indians. So, they are asking why pay a junior
guy in India just a little less when they can get a senior
guy right in California.
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22. Quotes from A Wall Street Journal article, Feb
26, 2007, page B3: title: "Behind Outsourcing: Promise
and Pitfalls" by Scott Thurm

"Companies such as Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc.
and Dell Inc. reversed decisions to move customer call
centers to India after a customer rebellion." and "[Jagdish]
Dalal advised a big insurance company with
little outsourcing experience to locate a call
center in Canada, to minimize problems with non-North
American English accents." This article also gave many
other details on problems with outsourcing that had nothing
to do with India or offshoring.

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21. I have seen many reports (sorry I have no
specifics) of Indian (and other foreign corporations) opening
up branches in the USA and establishing jobs within the
USA. An important caveat regarding this action is that while
these are new jobs in the USA, foreign companies are
allowed to transfer existing employees from their
home country into these jobs on L-1 visas and there is no
cap on the number. I hardly think that many of these jobs
will be offered to US guys (green card or citizens)
when home country guys can probably be transferred
at lower pay. Furthermore, the reports may be overly
glossy if a foreign company just buys an existing company
and then claims that it is "bringing" jobs to the
USA. When, however, a US MNC lays off 20,000 US
guys and moves those jobs to India, that MNC is going
to hire local Indians into those jobs and NOT
invite the US guys to "transfer" to India with
something like a 2/3 pay cut.

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20. Wall Street Journal, Feb 21, 2007, page B6:
Under "Plots and Ploys" section entitled "Call it
insourcing": Quotes: "One real-estate company has
decreased its outsourcing of some services to india
and turned to a North Carolina town that has lost jobs
to overseas competitors. Situs Cos., a Houston-based
company that provides services to the commercial-
mortgage industry, says it will send some work
to Robbins, N.C. the company previously had tried
to outsource certain services to india, but looked
elsewhere as well in part because of soaring
rents in India, says Situs Chief Executive Ralph
Howard. 'We think we are getting a better quality
for the same price, and at the same time, we're
creating U.S. jobs,' says Mr. Bean [who works for
Mr. Howard]."

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19. WSJ, front page, November 13, 2006. title
"Clothes Made Abroad Create Factory Jobs in
L.A. for Mr. Fix-It" subtitle: "Barry Foreman Left Rag
Trade, But is Back, Salvaging Flawed Chinese
Garments" by Stephanie Kang. This whole article
is about a fairly large fraction of imported clothing
that comes with a variety of defects and the
featured guy, Barry Forman, got back into business
to "correct" the defects in the imported lots so as to
make them saleable again. His business is booming,
expanding, and the article is worth reading for those
who want the details. Not all of that cheap labor is
worth what people pay for it. You get cheap quality,
too.

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18. Financial Times, Nov 2, page 18, 2006
title: "Volkswagen chooses to swim against the
current-The German carmaker is to shift some of
its production back home" by Richard Milne

"To move production away from lower-cost countries
to a high-cost nation may appear to be a peculiar
decision, but not at Volkswagen. The carmaker
intends to cut thousands of jobs at Spanish,
Portugese and Belgian factories and to shift some
of the models back to Germany..."In the course of this
change, workers in Germany will work longer hours
for the same pay (and keep their high-paying jobs
which will end up at about E40.65/hour [or around
US$50/hour]).
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17. From Financial Times, Oct 12, 2006, page 15,
entitled "Boom in outsourcing abates as groups seek
shorter deals" by Francesco Guerrera.

"The wave of outsourcing that has engulfed the
global economy over the past five years is showing
signs of abating as multinational companies opt for
shorter and smaller deals, according to a study to
be published today. The outsourcing industry has
just experienced its worst quarter in four years
and is unlikely to match the $81.9bn in contracts
won in 2005 by the end of
this year, data from the consulting firm Technology
Partners International shows. A slowdown in 2006
would mark the second consecutive year fall in the
volume of outsourcing contracts since their $84.7bn
peak reached in 2004. The results suggest that, following
the drive to curb costs and streamline operations by
contracting out non-core functions, multinationals
might be running out of major operations to outsource.
...The average contract is down to four years from
about 10 years in the recent past. 'In some sectors,
especially information technology, companies
perceive that there has been a commoditisation of
services, leading them to opt for shorter-term contracts
of lower overall value,' said Peter Allen, a partner at
TPI. 'We just don't see enough big deals in the pipeline
to cause us to believe the levels of last year will be
reached.' The trend is likely to raise concerns in
countries such as India and China and among groups
like IBM, Accenture and [EDS], which have been
among the biggest beneficiaries of the outsourcing
trend... According to TPI, which tracks worldwide
deals worth more than $50m, outsourcing contracts
signed between July and September totalled
$13.4bn, a fall of more than 20 per cent on both
the previous quarter and the same period last year.
The weakness of the past three months has left
the total for the year at $55.3 bn, more than #26
bn below the figure for the whole of 2005....
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16. From WSJ, Monday, July 3, 2006, page B1,
entitled "Siting a Call Center: Check Out the
Mall First" by John Lyons.

Quote(p B3): "After Lehman Brothers moved its
internal computer help desk to India in 2003, the
mismatch between the investment bank's hard-charging
employees and their new Indian phone-support agents
created problems, say industry insiders, and the help
desk returned in house."

It is also interesting that most of this article is
about an Indian, Mr. Shankardass, a US citizen
("born to Indian parents in Nairobi, Kenya") who
works for ClientLogic, that sets up call centers as
an outsourcing business
and most of the article is devoted to his work
finding call center sites in Mexico.

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15. From Business Week/Small Biz, Summer, 2006 (may
be on the website:www.businessweek.com/smallbiz)
entitled: "Here or There" subtitle: Six entrepreneurs
explain why they outsource or not. Here is a quote
from the first page of the article (page 67):

"Some 24% of small manufacturers said they had
purchased goods or services from vendors outside
the U.S. in the past three years, according to a 2004
study by the National Federation of Independent
Business. For the rest, the best place to manufacture
is right at home, at least for now. The easy
rapport with vendors, relatively short plane rides,
and the quality of American-made goods keep these
business owners and their customers perfectly
happy."

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14. Subject: More India BPO failure
(in Business Week, June 19, 2006 issue, page 48):

title: "India: Why Apple Walked Away"
subtitle: "Plans for an Indian tech support center
have been scrapped. A cautionary tale"
by Manjeet Kripalani and Peter Burrows.

Quotes:
"Just three months back, Apple ...[was talking
about] hiring 3,000 workers by 2007 [in Bangalore]...."

These plans are now cancelled and most of the 30
existing employees in Bangalore have been dismissed.
The factors mentioned as working against the
original plan include "Entry level pay at tech and
outsourcing companies climbed by as much as 13%
annually from 2000 to 2004, while salaries for
midlevel managers jumped 30% a year during the same
period...." Also cited as a problem was high turnover.
Thus the financial advantage of sending work
to India has just about vanished.
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13. Quote from CFO magazine, June 2006, page 17
(may be on their website, cfo.com): "Passing on India?
Rising wages in India are eating into some of the cost
advantages of sending work to the popular
outsourcing destination. Wages have increased
roughly 11 percent in each of the last three years with
little sign of abating, says Michael Spellacy,
vice president at The Boston Consulting Group. In
major cities like Bombay and Bangalore, inflation
has climbed as high as 14 percent, with worker
attrition rates now averaging 25%. A full time
worker in outsourced financial services in India earns
between $22,000 and $27,000, Spellacy says."

Also, in The Economist, June 3rd, 2006ssue is a
special report on India "A Survey of Business in India"
with the title "Now for the hard part" and on
page 6 of the special report (center section of the
issue) is a large article ("If in doubt, farm it out") on the
difficulty India is having finding workers for this great
expansion in BPO service to the outside world.

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12. The article "The H-1B Swindle" by Ephraim
Schwartz, appearing in Infoworld, October 31, 2005,
page 12, has the subtitle "A new study suggests
that companies hire foreign workers for cheap
labor, not skill." The article goes on to say: "It
appears there is hard evidence to prove that employers
are using the H-1B visa program to hire cheap
labor; that is, to pay substantially lower wages than
the national average for programming jobs
(infoworld.com/3449)" The article goes into
additional detail and cites data sources such as BLS
(infoworld.com/3450) and DOL's H-1B website
(infoworld.com/3451). Across the board, foreigners
were being paid less. As a general fact, companies have
a financial incentive to preferentially recruit foreigners
because they know foreigners will accept a job offer at a
lower wage.

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11. A study show that outsourcing really does not
save as claimed.
http://www.boston.com/business/technology/article
s/2006/04/13/
outsourcing_saves_less_than_claimed/

(this reference was posted on a newsgroup in early
2006, and was not checked)

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10. Three more recent articles. First: the article
"Don't Offload Big IT Problems On Outsourcers" by
Rob Preston (VP.Ed-in-cheif) as appeared in
Informationweek, April 10, 2006, page 88 (may be
online at informationweek.com). Second: the large article
"How Do You Spell Relief?
O-U-T-S-O-U-R-C-I-N-G" by Bruce Boardman, appearing
in Network Computing, April 1, 2006, pages 30-36, and
a third article in the same issue on pages 39-48.

So what do these three articles say? The first is
a one page qualitative review of several outsourcing failures
and cites "Outsourcing Backlash"
(presumably at informationweek.com/650/50iuout.htm
[I have not checked it]) and explained that any problems
people have at home become magnified when
they offshore/outsource (many references to India).

The second walks people through the "process" of
outsourcing/offshoring work, including a discussion of how
to do this, but also has a sidebar on page 36 which includes
a summary of a Deloitte Consulting survey of 25
organizations (worth $1 trillion in market cap, and
with 1 mil employees, and spent $50 bil on operations
outsourced) and the sidebar says things like: one in four
brought functions back in house after realizing they could
do the work better, cheaper themselves, 33% of
outsourcing relationships failed in one year while 50% didn't
last five years, and 57% paid extra for services they though
were included in the original contract.

The third article also helps the IT specialist by
evaluating four data center packages (from Savvis, EDS,
Globix, and Infosys). There were a number of tables with data.
Bottom line results: Infosys was the cheapest, EDS
about three times more expensive, others midway;
quality of results- Savvis and EDS got A-, Globix got B+,
and Infosys got a C. You get what you pay
for.
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9. Courtesy of "indiabpoking" are the following
reported negatives, failures and shortcomings of BPO,
2006
Date: 10 Apr 2006 15:36:37 -0700
From: indiaBPOking <***@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups: alt.computer.consultants,
alt.politics.economics,
alt.politics.bush, sci.research.careers,
soc.culture.british
Subject: Outsourcing seen as source of innovation

http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-6059512.html

"An IDC and Capgemini survey of almost 300
executives attending IDC's Outsourcing Forum East last
week found that top reasons for deciding to use Business
Process Outsourcing in a corporate strategy include
reducing costs, driving innovation, and the ability
to focus on core competencies."

[but see below]

"Additional [negatives, failures, drawbacks] survey
highlights include:"

"* More than one third (38.2 percent) of participants felt
the biggest downside to outsourcing is not getting the expected
results, followed by public/customer backlash (23.5 percent), and
anxiety over loosing control (20.6 percent)."

[note that 38.2 percent is much lower than other
figures cited from other sources farther down]

"* The three most important legal issues concerning
BPO today according to those surveyed were: governance
procedures (33.8%), business continuity (27.7 percent) and
intellectual property rights (26.2 percent)."

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8. More complaints about India:

from the article "View from Asia-India won't fully
benefit from the amazing productivity of its companies
unless it builds a better infrastructure for business" by
Tom Leander (Editor-in-Chief, CFO Asia). Appearing
in "CFO" magazine for April 2006, page 27 (may be at their
website: www.cfo.com/backissues).

Some quotes:

"... GE's CFO, Keith Sherin, told CFO Asia late
last year that he finds India frustrating. 'You get
excited and nothing happens,' he says. Three
years ago, GE did about the same volume of business
in both India and China. Today, China is a $3 billion
market for GE, triple that of India. So, it's no surprise
when Sherin sums up GE's Asian strategy by saying
that 'China is number one, two, and three for us'."

"His primary complaint is the lack of government
support for infrastructure improvements. Turn off any
highway in India and you'll know what Sherin is
talking about."

"It may be unseemly to criticise a government that
has to take care of so many poor citizens for not
building better roads to facilitate commerce, but
India's CFOs point out that infrastructure is a
social-welfare issue. Sumant Sinha, CFO of leading
conglomerate Aditya Birla Group, says that he spends
more on capital expenditure every year than peer
companies in other nations might. How many of them,
after all, must build their own power stations?"

"But its wishful thinking [despite all the positives of
India] to conclude that India's remarkable productivity
will translate into a thriving internal market any time
soon. In the eyes of most U.S. finance chiefs,
China remains number one, two, and three."

---------------------------------------
7. Backshoring...the new buzzword

Feb 13, 2006 issue of Infoworld, pages 8 (Efraim
Schwartz's column) and page 4, (editor's);

Developer poaching and rapidly rising prices are
causing US based companies to start pulling jobs back
to the USA. Read about it in the periodical.
------------------------------------------------
6. Subject: Deloitte Report: outsource failure
rates

From June, 2005, CFO magazine, page 19.
(it may be on their website, www.cfo.com/BackIssues)

Deloitte Consulting was said (by the CFO article)
to have said "'In the real world, outsourcing frequently
fails to deliver its promise.' wrote researchers who
surveyed 25 companies with average revenues of $50 billion.
The study reveals that 70 percent of its respondents have
had significantly negative experiences and are outsourcing
business processes and IT with increasing caution."

"...there is growning evidence that large comapnies
are rethinking massive outsourcing contracts. Big name
defectors that have unwound at least part of
their arrangements include Conseco, Dell, Capital
One, and Lehman Brothers."

"A sure sign that outsourcing isn't working is the
amount of renegotiation surrounding the vendor
agreements, says Deloitte senior strategy principal
Ken Landis. 'There wasn't a single participant in
the study where contract went to term,' he says.
'All of them had renegotiated prior to the contract
expiration date'"

"Companies are souring on outsourcing, the survey
asserts, for the same reason it has been criticised
for years: failure to live up to cost-reduction
promises, risks to intellectual property, and confidentiality,
and lack of transparency."

The article states that, so far, 25% of the companies
have brought services back (now called backsourcing).
-------------------------------------------------
-----
5. From Information Week, page 8, in the Nov 21,
2005 issue.

Sidebar: "48% of all companies will spend more
money on BPO this year than in 2004"

"55% of current BPO service delivery is conductend
inside the USA"

"41% of companies are satisfied with their BPO
services"

So, that sounds like 100 - 41= 59% are
dissatisified with their BPO services. And, there's
going to be more BPO?

Says the source is IW, Managing Offshore, and Equa
Terra study of 200 BPO customers.
-------------------------------------------------
4. "Offshoring isn't such a sure thing"
by Lora Kolodny, Inc. magazine, September, 2005,
pages 22-24

Quotes:

"Companies are finding that sending IT work
overseas can be more trouble than it's worth,
according to a new survey from DiamondCluster
International, a Chicago-based management
consultancy. The number of executives surveyed
who said they were pleased with their outsourced
IT vendors fell by 17 pecentage points versus the
previous year, marking the first decline since 2002.
Moreover, early termination of relationships
between buyers and offshore service providers
spiked to 51%, which is double the rate of 2004."

In other words, half of all relationships are
terminated before their first contract period is up.

In view of this, a spokesman for the consulting
firm says that "...tech buyers will think twice about
sending critical services abroad--at least
for now."
--------------------------------------------------
3. From "CFO" magazine, FALL 2005, special issue,
pages 40-44. (may be on www.cfo.com/Backissues)

article: "Customer Disservice: Critics say the
promised savings from offshoring come at too steep
a price, while companies say very little at
all"

by Norm Alster

This article starts by saying that on a recent talk
show where people could call in with comments and
questions, it was discovered that virtually everyone in
the USA does not like foreign call center representatives.

"But the practice of outsourcing customer service
to offshore call centers is beginning to look like a
classical idea carried too far. Critics of the
practice point to a growing body of evidence that
suggests faulty economics and customer dissatisfaction
are forcing a rethink of what once seemed a no-brainer."
"'The economic benefits of outsourcing customer
service are grossly overstated' according to Niels
Kjellerup, a senior partner with Australian
consulting firm Resource International and editor
of a Website devoted to call centers
(www.callcenters.com.au). Customer resistance, along
with data-security concerns and the unexpectedly high
costs of managing offshore call centers, offset and dilute their
promised economic benefits, says Kjellerup."

"There is already evidence that these factors have
combined to slow the offshore migration. Several large
firms, including Dell, credit-card giant
Capital One, and insurer Conseco, have shifted at
least some customer-support operations back to the
United States."

Gartner's analyst, Robert Brown, says that the initial
large growth in offshoring is expected to be, in the
future, much smaller.

"Companies with monopolistic or overwhelmingly
dominant market positions are more apt to risk customer
alienation where near-term savings can be realized."

"Alexa Bona, a Gartner analyst based in London,
predicts that during the next three years, up to 60 percent
of companies outsourcing customer-facing service will
encounter customer defections and hidden costs that will
either cancel or outweigh any perceived savings in such
arrangements."

"He [Chris Selland, at Covington Associates in
Boston]says executives at firms that have employed offshore
call centers keep telling him that 'it's harder, it takes more
management attention, and you have to be meticulous
about the way you structure the agreement.' As a
result of all this unexpected overhead, the projected savings
from offshoring can swiftly evaporate."

The article says there is huge turnover at Indian
call centers; it can be up to 70% per year. And, with the big
expansion, there have been recruiting wars in India and
escalating pay scales.

"Martha Rogers, a consultant and author of several
books on customer relationships, contends that the
metrics generally used to measure call-center performance
are flawed."

"Many companies that outsource customer service, in
fact, don't like talking about it, and more than a dozen
turned down requests for interviews. 'Companies are
looking to do everything they can to hide the
fact that they are using off shore call centers'
says Selland. 'From a political standpoint and a
customer-acceptance standpoint, it is something
they are trying to downplay.' At some Asian
centers, agents are actually trained to conceal their
real names and adopt phoney American monikers, a
practice that fools few and can further inflame an
already angry caller."

"One in three respondents in a British survey said
they would stop doing business with a bank that
relocates its call centers offshore. Another
study, conducted in 2004, reported that just 5
pecent of the British are satisfied with offshore
call centers. The Irish arm of Sweden's Tele2AG, a
telecommunications firm, recently switched its call
center operation out of India and back to Ireland,
citing consumer preference."

"In an unpublished data-theft case now under
investigation, a large U.S.-based technology
multinational contracted with a call center in India
without knowing that the company in turn subcontracted
a portion of the work to firms outside India, where
employees of the subcontractor apparently managed
to penetrate the American company's information
database."

"...growing outsourcing industries in Eastern
Europe and Latin America have been targeted by
criminals seeking access to customer data. "

"'For companies that regard customer service as a
key part of future revenue growth, bringing such operations
back to domestic shores is the way to go,' says Kjellerup."
---------------------------------------------------
2. From _Information Week_, page 60, Dec 19/26
issue, 2005

A short article by Paul McDougall reporting that:
"...companies operating in India, including local ones such as
Infosys Technologies, Tata Consultancy Services, and Wipro
Technologies, spend a lot of time and energy time stealing each
other's employees--and that's quickly driving up salaries" and
"'There's a lot of employee turnover [in India], and we weren't
interested in that,' says Martin Mellon, director of development at
applications vendor ASG Software Solutions. The company
chose Northern Ireland over India for its offshore development
work."
--------------------------------------------------
1. Subject: "Satisfaction Wanes for Offshoring"

On page 2 of the print issue of Processor.com for
June 17, 2005, volume 27, number 24:

"According to consulting firm DiamondCluster
International, the number of buyers satisfied with the
providers of their offshore outsourcing has fallen
from 79% to 62%. The firm's annual survey of IT
outsourcing also revealed that 51% of buyers are
terminating their outsourcing relationships earlier
than scheduled."
Old Pif
2010-08-23 21:45:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by Me, ...again!
However, my sample quotes and reference list (along similar themes,
including that offshoring has already started going to 3rd world
countries other than India) from some of the articles I've read is
below....
It is because they are not aware that the Indians are superior. As
soon as they figure it out we all doomed.
Tambi Dude
2010-08-24 00:06:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by Old Pif
Post by Me, ...again!
However, my sample quotes and reference list (along similar themes,
including that offshoring has already started going to 3rd world
countries other than India) from some of the articles I've read is
below....
It is because they are not aware that the Indians are superior. As
soon as they figure it out we all doomed.
what an irony. I am reading this news the same day when it become
public in my company that we are hiring IT folks (developers,
infrastructure)
in India. For decades we were all american, now we joined the party
too.

First they will hire new folks in India.
Then they will replace those-who-left-in-USA with a new hire in India
Then they will start firing those-who-are-in-USA with a new hire in
India.

Goodbye high paying job.
Goodbye excellent benefits.
Hello hot dog.
Old Pif
2010-08-24 00:42:35 UTC
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Post by Tambi Dude
Post by Old Pif
Post by Me, ...again!
However, my sample quotes and reference list (along similar themes,
including that offshoring has already started going to 3rd world
countries other than India) from some of the articles I've read is
below....
It is because they are not aware that the Indians are superior. As
soon as they figure it out we all doomed.
what an irony. I am reading this news the same day when it become
public in my company that we are hiring IT folks (developers,
infrastructure)
in India. For decades we were all american, now we joined the party
too.
First they will hire new folks in India.
Then they will replace those-who-left-in-USA with a new hire in India
Then they will start firing those-who-are-in-USA with a new hire in
India.
And then, Dude, comes the hard part for you. You as a professional and
devoted executioner, will be sent to India to fire your own folk. Some
from your own caste. You should start your preparation now inventing
the good story about fat, non-productive <fill the blanks>,
Me, ...again!
2010-08-29 20:29:11 UTC
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Post by Old Pif
Post by Tambi Dude
Post by Old Pif
Post by Me, ...again!
However, my sample quotes and reference list (along similar themes,
including that offshoring has already started going to 3rd world
countries other than India) from some of the articles I've read is
below....
It is because they are not aware that the Indians are superior. As
soon as they figure it out we all doomed.
what an irony. I am reading this news the same day when it become
public in my company that we are hiring IT folks (developers,
infrastructure)
in India. For decades we were all american, now we joined the party
too.
First they will hire new folks in India.
Then they will replace those-who-left-in-USA with a new hire in India
Then they will start firing those-who-are-in-USA with a new hire in
India.
And then, Dude, comes the hard part for you. You as a professional and
devoted executioner, will be sent to India to fire your own folk. Some
from your own caste. You should start your preparation now inventing
the good story about fat, non-productive <fill the blanks>,
I'll be interested to follow how all this happens over the next few years.
Old Pif
2010-08-30 02:31:54 UTC
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Post by Me, ...again!
I'll be interested to follow how all this happens over the next few years.
Like in Mexico most likely. They have started outsourcing from there
for couple of years already. If the Indians think that it is enough to
look through the last books on programming to grab all programming
jobs in the world they are seriously mistaken. Vietnamese can do the
same equally well. And then the Kamals on the Vietnamese side start
cooking the stories about fat unproductive Indians. Real Indian can
fart as much as he can in all directions but that how it will be.
Me, ...again!
2010-08-30 11:22:17 UTC
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Post by Old Pif
Post by Me, ...again!
I'll be interested to follow how all this happens over the next few years.
Like in Mexico most likely. They have started outsourcing from there
for couple of years already. If the Indians think that it is enough to
look through the last books on programming to grab all programming
jobs in the world they are seriously mistaken. Vietnamese can do the
same equally well. And then the Kamals on the Vietnamese side start
cooking the stories about fat unproductive Indians. Real Indian can
fart as much as he can in all directions but that how it will be.
For all of the "noise" being made by several of the Indians here, I find
it interesting that none of them are concerned about China. Yet, I can
find many articles in the media how all of SE Asia (and Japan, Taiwan) is
worried how China's growth is going to affect them.

Here you have India, same population size as China, in half the land area.
India has had the same amount of time as China (both started in late
1940s), and now China's GDP is 3X India's. China is "Number 2" in the
world now. India is "Number 10". India's inflation is 10%/year, now, or
worse. Higher than most other countries. The whole eastern 1/4 of India is
under the control of Maoiests and Naxalites. And, India's growth rate is
down to 7% from 8.5% for this year, down a lot from the 10-12% or more
from just 2-3 years ago (look...where is the "India-brag" now?)

And, what do we have? Kamal who wants to talk about US problems?

So, fine. Let us continue to talk about India's problems! And, they are
still dumping ten times as many Indians into the USA as Americans go to
India. I was amazed to find reports that illegal Indians in the USA are
among the fastest-growing population of illegal immigrants. So, if things
are so bad here in the USA, how come these Indians come here? How come
they stay? Kamal does not explain this. Yet he has all these "defects" in
the USA to talk about, including our money that is no good. Yet, everyone
wants to come here!

("Real Indian"? He, himself, is a big fart.)

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Old Pif
2010-08-30 12:43:57 UTC
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Post by Me, ...again!
Here you have India, same population size as China, in half the land area.
India has had the same amount of time as China (both started in late
1940s), and now China's GDP is 3X India's. China is "Number 2" in the
world now. India is "Number 10". India's inflation is 10%/year, now, or
worse. Higher than most other countries. The whole eastern 1/4 of India is
under the control of Maoiests and Naxalites. And, India's growth rate is
down to 7% from 8.5% for this year, down a lot from the 10-12% or more
from just 2-3 years ago (look...where is the "India-brag" now?)
Enlighten dictatorship is better than corrupt democracy.

People start throwing stones in me but that is what it is.
Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
2010-08-30 13:06:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by Old Pif
Post by Me, ...again!
Here you have India, same population size as China, in half the land area.
India has had the same amount of time as China (both started in late
1940s), and now China's GDP is 3X India's. China is "Number 2" in the
world now. India is "Number 10". India's inflation is 10%/year, now, or
worse. Higher than most other countries. The whole eastern 1/4 of India is
under the control of Maoiests and Naxalites. And, India's growth rate is
down to 7% from 8.5% for this year, down a lot from the 10-12% or more
from just 2-3 years ago (look...where is the "India-brag" now?)
Enlighten dictatorship is better than corrupt democracy.
Eeeeeew! Looks like the dyed-in-the-wool-astrophysicist Old Poof's
English needs a bit of laundering.

It is "enlightened dictatorship", and not "enlighten dictatorship",
bloody git. How come your language and spelling are that of a Paki? Or
did the genetic predisposition to astrophysics kind of dim the language
skills too (your neurons stopped firing a while back)?
Post by Old Pif
People start throwing stones in me but that is what it is.
People would start throwing stones "at" you, and not "in" you, twit. Get
your prepositions right. The only bloody stones "in" you are either in
your kidneys or in your gallbladder. Other stones? You ain't got those,
old poof, for people to 'toss them'. Sheesh, what a Paki.
Me, ...again!
2010-08-30 20:22:11 UTC
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Post by Old Pif
Post by Me, ...again!
Here you have India, same population size as China, in half the land area.
India has had the same amount of time as China (both started in late
1940s), and now China's GDP is 3X India's. China is "Number 2" in the
world now. India is "Number 10". India's inflation is 10%/year, now, or
worse. Higher than most other countries. The whole eastern 1/4 of India is
under the control of Maoiests and Naxalites. And, India's growth rate is
down to 7% from 8.5% for this year, down a lot from the 10-12% or more
from just 2-3 years ago (look...where is the "India-brag" now?)
Enlighten dictatorship is better than corrupt democracy.
Eeeeeew! Looks like the dyed-in-the-wool-astrophysicist Old Poof's English
needs a bit of laundering.
It is "enlightened dictatorship", and not "enlighten dictatorship", bloody
git. How come your language and spelling are that of a Paki? Or did the
genetic predisposition to astrophysics kind of dim the language skills too
(your neurons stopped firing a while back)?
Post by Old Pif
People start throwing stones in me but that is what it is.
People would start throwing stones "at" you, and not "in" you, twit. Get your
prepositions right. The only bloody stones "in" you are either in your
kidneys or in your gallbladder. Other stones? You ain't got those, old poof,
for people to 'toss them'. Sheesh, what a Paki.
Hey, Mr. "Myself...Mallu" --although you are articulate, knowledgeable,
and civilized--how come you don't "pick on" Kamal and his grammar,
punctuation shortcomings, and--above all--wacky sellective interpretation
of US/American characteristics (i.e. our paper money is no good, but all
the other countries have paper money, too, debt, too, everything else we
have...and they are all trying to be "just like" America/USA...but Kamal
doesn't understand any of this).
Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
2010-08-31 04:04:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by Me, ...again!
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Post by Old Pif
Post by Me, ...again!
Here you have India, same population size as China, in half the land area.
India has had the same amount of time as China (both started in late
1940s), and now China's GDP is 3X India's. China is "Number 2" in the
world now. India is "Number 10". India's inflation is 10%/year, now, or
worse. Higher than most other countries. The whole eastern 1/4 of India is
under the control of Maoiests and Naxalites. And, India's growth rate is
down to 7% from 8.5% for this year, down a lot from the 10-12% or more
from just 2-3 years ago (look...where is the "India-brag" now?)
Enlighten dictatorship is better than corrupt democracy.
Eeeeeew! Looks like the dyed-in-the-wool-astrophysicist Old Poof's
English needs a bit of laundering.
It is "enlightened dictatorship", and not "enlighten dictatorship",
bloody git. How come your language and spelling are that of a Paki? Or
did the genetic predisposition to astrophysics kind of dim the
language skills too (your neurons stopped firing a while back)?
Post by Old Pif
People start throwing stones in me but that is what it is.
People would start throwing stones "at" you, and not "in" you, twit.
Get your prepositions right. The only bloody stones "in" you are
either in your kidneys or in your gallbladder. Other stones? You ain't
got those, old poof, for people to 'toss them'. Sheesh, what a Paki.
Hey, Mr. "Myself...Mallu" --although you are articulate, knowledgeable,
and civilized--how come you don't "pick on" Kamal and his grammar,
punctuation shortcomings, and--above all--wacky sellective
interpretation of US/American characteristics (i.e. our paper money is
no good, but all the other countries have paper money, too, debt, too,
everything else we have...and they are all trying to be "just like"
America/USA...but Kamal doesn't understand any of this).
Nope. Sorry, I just will not let low-class scum get away with their
blinkered opinions. I am just a little cussed about things.

Well over a year ago, when 'Real Indian' was posting under the nick
'father', the old poof talked down to me about several things - Hindus
should be eternally grateful to the Brits for having bestowed the 'boon'
of English on the unwashed, and that Indians (maybe it was Hindus) were
no better than monkeys in being able to push the button, all this while
posturing as a 'pundit' of the English language, and someone with inborn
'genius' when it came to 'theoretical physics' (I was a bit off on the
'astrophysics' thing). You think I am going to let and old poof and his
poor language skills get away? No way! I am yet to be dazzled by this
idiot's skills in 'theoretical physics' too. Third-rate code hack
probably wrote a couple of lines of code around problem formulations of
genuine physicists, and hopes that some of the accomplishments of others
rub off on the old 'chop shop' poof.

Kamal has not crossed swords with me. If he does, by gum, I'll take off
the gloves with him too. I strongly believe that he has wrong notions
about the US, and many other things, but that is your problem, and one
that requires lots of patience. However, like phony doc, he too is a
lightning rod for India bash, right? Right now, this self-righteous old
poof is the one that needs a real hiding. Sorry, I don't hunt in a pack,
and I fight my battles alone.
Old Pif
2010-08-31 10:06:10 UTC
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On Aug 31, 12:04 am, "Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu"
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
You think I am going to let and old poof and his
poor language skills get away?
Don't exaggerate the fact of your miserable existence for the others.
You can not let anything to anybody.

Continuously Tense, huh? That is the problem. Loosen up.
Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
2010-09-01 04:57:03 UTC
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On Aug 31, 12:04 am, "Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu"
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
You think I am going to let and old poof and his
poor language skills get away?
Don't exaggerate the fact of your miserable existence for the others.
You can not let anything to anybody.
What exaggeration, what miserable existence, and who others, fucking
racist whiner? I am talking to you, stupid asshole, and nobody else.
You'd better get that damn straight, bleeding poof. You whine here 24/7
about 'Hindus' and 'Indians'. So who has a miserable existence,
dumbfuck? Who or what the hell are you fucking baboon?

Read your last goddamn sentence, third-rate fucking baboon. It is
"cannot" and not "can not". Besides, the sentence makes no sense,
goddamn moron. Anyways, frigging pissant, you won't get away that easy
with your moronic nazi nonsense, and your downright patronizing
claptrap, cheap working-class skunk.
Continuously Tense, huh? That is the problem. Loosen up.
It is "PresentContinuouslyTense," thank you. There is a reason for that
nick, and is a play on the grammatical sense of the word "tense". Dig,
Mr. 'Theoretical Physics'? Boy, you are one goddamn dense baboon.
Me, ...again!
2010-08-31 14:53:54 UTC
Permalink
Post by Me, ...again!
Hey, Mr. "Myself...Mallu" --although you are articulate, knowledgeable,
and civilized--how come you don't "pick on" Kamal and his grammar,
punctuation shortcomings, and--above all--wacky sellective
interpretation of US/American characteristics (i.e. our paper money is
no good, but all the other countries have paper money, too, debt, too,
everything else we have...and they are all trying to be "just like"
America/USA...but Kamal doesn't understand any of this).
Nope. Sorry, I just will not let low-class scum get away with their blinkered
opinions. I am just a little cussed about things.
Which scum are you talking about? Kamal or "Old Pif"?
Well over a year ago, when 'Real Indian' was posting under the nick 'father',
the old poof talked down to me about several things - Hindus should be
eternally grateful to the Brits for having bestowed the 'boon' of English on
the unwashed, and that Indians (maybe it was Hindus) were no better than
monkeys in being able to push the button, all this while posturing as a
'pundit' of the English language, and someone with inborn 'genius' when it
came to 'theoretical physics' (I was a bit off on the 'astrophysics' thing).
You think I am going to let and old poof and his poor language skills get
away? No way! I am yet to be dazzled by this idiot's skills in 'theoretical
physics' too. Third-rate code hack probably wrote a couple of lines of code
around problem formulations of genuine physicists, and hopes that some of the
accomplishments of others rub off on the old 'chop shop' poof.
Well, as far as I'm concerned, Indians who came to the US and got good
jobs did not learn their english here. They got it from somewhere else.
And, it did help them a lot. How many Indians are in China speaking
Chinese? How many other languages?

Who is better? I don't recognize any "master race" or "superiority". I
have seen no proof or evidence.
Kamal has not crossed swords with me.
Kamal's problem is that some 5+ years ago he had to leave the US because
of some visa problem he never fully explained. He lost some money because
of this. He has been on a bad-mouthing, bashing, disrespectful,
misrepresentation of history, and anti-white warpath ever since.

But, if he wants to just talk about USA problems, and distribute
sellective economic dogma, then I'll have to talk about India's problems
and Kamal's defects in his thinking (and by the way, I've seen many
articles in the media that the whole world is concerned about the cheap
Chinese currency screwing up everyone, including India...but you'll never
hear this from kamal since he wants to demonize the USA).

If he does, by gum, I'll take off the
gloves with him too. I strongly believe that he has wrong notions about the
US, and many other things, but that is your problem, and one that requires
lots of patience.
I've had 5+ years of patience. Someday I may decide my bird-watching and
squirrel-watching is more rewarding. My house is paid for, my retirement
resources are plenty, I have zero debt, and I'm not living near any
al-queda targets.
However, like phony doc, he too is a lightning rod for
India bash, right?
Yes. However, I do not hold anything against average Indians. Only
anti-US, anti-white, arrogant ones.

Right now, this self-righteous old poof is the one that
needs a real hiding. Sorry, I don't hunt in a pack, and I fight my battles
alone.
Fine, mostly I do too.

And, I do not know if Old Pif hates/dislikes all Indians or just the
"India-brag" Indians who think they are superior and Americans are
dirt/etc.
Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
2010-09-01 04:57:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by Me, ...again!
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Post by Me, ...again!
Hey, Mr. "Myself...Mallu" --although you are articulate, knowledgeable,
and civilized--how come you don't "pick on" Kamal and his grammar,
punctuation shortcomings, and--above all--wacky sellective
interpretation of US/American characteristics (i.e. our paper money is
no good, but all the other countries have paper money, too, debt, too,
everything else we have...and they are all trying to be "just like"
America/USA...but Kamal doesn't understand any of this).
Nope. Sorry, I just will not let low-class scum get away with their
blinkered opinions. I am just a little cussed about things.
Which scum are you talking about? Kamal or "Old Pif"?
Old Poof. Like I said, Kamal has not crossed swords with me, and I have
no beef with him. He is wrong about lots of things about the US, but
those are his opinions, and as such he cops enough flack from you, Old
Poof, Rajah. Why would/should "Myself" add to this?
Post by Me, ...again!
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Well over a year ago, when 'Real Indian' was posting under the nick
'father', the old poof talked down to me about several things - Hindus
should be eternally grateful to the Brits for having bestowed the
'boon' of English on the unwashed, and that Indians (maybe it was
Hindus) were no better than monkeys in being able to push the button,
all this while posturing as a 'pundit' of the English language, and
someone with inborn 'genius' when it came to 'theoretical physics' (I
was a bit off on the 'astrophysics' thing). You think I am going to
let and old poof and his poor language skills get away? No way! I am
yet to be dazzled by this idiot's skills in 'theoretical physics' too.
Third-rate code hack probably wrote a couple of lines of code around
problem formulations of genuine physicists, and hopes that some of the
accomplishments of others rub off on the old 'chop shop' poof.
Well, as far as I'm concerned, Indians who came to the US and got good
jobs did not learn their english here. They got it from somewhere else.
And, it did help them a lot. How many Indians are in China speaking
Chinese? How many other languages?
A vast majority of Indians here in the US are post-independence born
folks, and would have learned English from Indians in India, not Brits.
Furthermore, most of the Indians here are not the 'impoverished and
famine struck' kind that the American mind likes to conjure up. Almost
all of them have indoor plumbing 'back home'. Old Poof, whose head is up
his hiney, might want to take note of this. There is a limit to the
patronizing crap that I'll put up with.
Post by Me, ...again!
Who is better? I don't recognize any "master race" or "superiority". I
have seen no proof or evidence.
There is no such thing as a 'master race'. Period. However, using Old
Poof and the nazi rat 'Hari Kumar' as yardsticks, there are certainly
superior humans.
Post by Me, ...again!
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Kamal has not crossed swords with me.
Kamal's problem is that some 5+ years ago he had to leave the US because
of some visa problem he never fully explained. He lost some money
because of this. He has been on a bad-mouthing, bashing, disrespectful,
misrepresentation of history, and anti-white warpath ever since.
But, if he wants to just talk about USA problems, and distribute
sellective economic dogma, then I'll have to talk about India's problems
and Kamal's defects in his thinking (and by the way, I've seen many
articles in the media that the whole world is concerned about the cheap
Chinese currency screwing up everyone, including India...but you'll
never hear this from kamal since he wants to demonize the USA).
If he does, by gum, I'll take off the
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
gloves with him too. I strongly believe that he has wrong notions
about the US, and many other things, but that is your problem, and one
that requires lots of patience.
I've had 5+ years of patience. Someday I may decide my bird-watching and
squirrel-watching is more rewarding. My house is paid for, my retirement
resources are plenty, I have zero debt, and I'm not living near any
al-queda targets.
:-) :-) Good for you.
Post by Me, ...again!
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
However, like phony doc, he too is a lightning rod for India bash, right?
Yes. However, I do not hold anything against average Indians. Only
anti-US, anti-white, arrogant ones.
I am fine with that.
Post by Me, ...again!
Right now, this self-righteous old poof is the one that
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
needs a real hiding. Sorry, I don't hunt in a pack, and I fight my
battles alone.
Fine, mostly I do too.
And, I do not know if Old Pif hates/dislikes all Indians or just the
"India-brag" Indians who think they are superior and Americans are
dirt/etc.
Old Poof disliking Indians? That is an understatement. This son of a
bitch is mean spirited, and downright nasty racist PoS. I would have had
no problem with him going after 'India-brag' Indians. But the stupid
baboon doesn't stop there. I get this patronizing garbage and some
equally inane crap about 'theoretical physics', blah, blah. Time to rip
the bleeding sod a new one.
Me, ...again!
2010-09-01 12:11:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Post by Me, ...again!
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Post by Me, ...again!
Hey, Mr. "Myself...Mallu" --although you are articulate, knowledgeable,
and civilized--how come you don't "pick on" Kamal and his grammar,
punctuation shortcomings, and--above all--wacky sellective
interpretation of US/American characteristics (i.e. our paper money is
no good, but all the other countries have paper money, too, debt, too,
everything else we have...and they are all trying to be "just like"
America/USA...but Kamal doesn't understand any of this).
Nope. Sorry, I just will not let low-class scum get away with their
blinkered opinions. I am just a little cussed about things.
Which scum are you talking about? Kamal or "Old Pif"?
Old Poof. Like I said, Kamal has not crossed swords with me,
He has with me. And, going back 5+ years. Full of anti-US, anti-white
propaganda and defective economics ideas. Pretty ignorant of history, too.

and I have no
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
beef with him. He is wrong about lots of things about the US, but those are
his opinions, and as such he cops enough flack from you, Old Poof, Rajah. Why
would/should "Myself" add to this?
No matter to me. I can "dust off" Kamal without any problems, all by
myself. Kamal is still living in the "flat earth society" type of world.
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Post by Me, ...again!
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Well over a year ago, when 'Real Indian' was posting under the nick 'father',
He posted under lots of names.

the old poof talked down to me about several things - Hindus
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Post by Me, ...again!
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
should be eternally grateful to the Brits for having bestowed the
'boon' of English on the unwashed, and that Indians (maybe it was
Hindus) were no better than monkeys in being able to push the button,
all this while posturing as a 'pundit' of the English language, and
someone with inborn 'genius' when it came to 'theoretical physics' (I
was a bit off on the 'astrophysics' thing). You think I am going to
let and old poof and his poor language skills get away? No way! I am
yet to be dazzled by this idiot's skills in 'theoretical physics' too.
Third-rate code hack probably wrote a couple of lines of code around
problem formulations of genuine physicists, and hopes that some of the
accomplishments of others rub off on the old 'chop shop' poof.
Well, as far as I'm concerned, Indians who came to the US and got good
jobs did not learn their english here. They got it from somewhere else.
And, it did help them a lot. How many Indians are in China speaking
Chinese? How many other languages?
A vast majority of Indians here in the US are post-independence born folks,
and would have learned English from Indians in India, not Brits.
And, before that? When were the first Indians learning English? The books
say that the Brits started teaching English to Indians.

Furthermore,
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
most of the Indians here are not the 'impoverished and famine struck' kind
that the American mind likes to conjure up. Almost all of them have indoor
plumbing 'back home'. Old Poof, whose head is up his hiney, might want to
take note of this. There is a limit to the patronizing crap that I'll put up
with.
Post by Me, ...again!
Who is better? I don't recognize any "master race" or "superiority". I
have seen no proof or evidence.
There is no such thing as a 'master race'. Period. However, using Old Poof
and the nazi rat 'Hari Kumar' as yardsticks, there are certainly superior
humans.
I'll leave them for you to deal with. 'Hari Kumal' does a good job showing
Maharaj's shortcomings, errors, misrepresentations, propaganda. Sorry if
he irritates you on some other things.
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Post by Me, ...again!
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Kamal has not crossed swords with me.
Kamal's problem is that some 5+ years ago he had to leave the US because
of some visa problem he never fully explained. He lost some money
because of this. He has been on a bad-mouthing, bashing, disrespectful,
misrepresentation of history, and anti-white warpath ever since.
But, if he wants to just talk about USA problems, and distribute
sellective economic dogma, then I'll have to talk about India's problems
and Kamal's defects in his thinking (and by the way, I've seen many
articles in the media that the whole world is concerned about the cheap
Chinese currency screwing up everyone, including India...but you'll
never hear this from kamal since he wants to demonize the USA).
If he does, by gum, I'll take off the
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
gloves with him too. I strongly believe that he has wrong notions
about the US, and many other things, but that is your problem, and one
that requires lots of patience.
I've had 5+ years of patience. Someday I may decide my bird-watching and
squirrel-watching is more rewarding. My house is paid for, my retirement
resources are plenty, I have zero debt, and I'm not living near any
al-queda targets.
:-) :-) Good for you.
And, I'm paying more attention these days to news about the radical
Muslims, and all these guys they are catching with bomb-making, etc.
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Post by Me, ...again!
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
However, like phony doc, he too is a lightning rod for India bash, right?
Yes. However, I do not hold anything against average Indians. Only
anti-US, anti-white, arrogant ones.
I am fine with that.
Good. Then we can be friends. :-)
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Post by Me, ...again!
Right now, this self-righteous old poof is the one that
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
needs a real hiding. Sorry, I don't hunt in a pack, and I fight my
battles alone.
Fine, mostly I do too.
And, I do not know if Old Pif hates/dislikes all Indians or just the
"India-brag" Indians who think they are superior and Americans are
dirt/etc.
Old Poof disliking Indians? That is an understatement. This son of a bitch is
mean spirited, and downright nasty racist PoS. I would have had no problem
with him going after 'India-brag' Indians. But the stupid baboon doesn't stop
there. I get this patronizing garbage and some equally inane crap about
'theoretical physics', blah, blah. Time to rip the bleeding sod a new one.
Hey, Old Pif. Are you reading this? How about explaining? Me, I don't
think Indians are any different from anyone else; whole range from nice to
not-nice (Kamal, "Real Indian", and Maharaj), just like Americans range
from OK to idiots (find a lot over on alt.politics.economics, for example).

I get along fine with "Myself" and Banerjee and "P. Rajah" and one or two
others.
Old Pif
2010-09-01 13:35:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by Me, ...again!
Hey, Old Pif. Are you reading this? How about explaining? Me, I don't
think Indians are any different from anyone else; whole range from nice to
not-nice (Kamal, "Real Indian", and Maharaj), just like Americans range
from OK to idiots (find a lot over on alt.politics.economics, for example).
Well, it is like that. You live your live, you meet all kind of people
and like it or not your brain starts making profiling. My personal
experience with Indians has been rather bad. It does not mean that I
have not met good decent Indians but with time I have become very
apprehensive each time I deal with them. And indeed, try to find on
the Internet any other ethnic group that systematically harass others
with that crap about fat lazy <fill the blank>. I am trying to look at
that from historical perspective. Practically every nation has its own
dark period and its own dark segment of the population. I recall one
of your post some time ago where you posted an excerpt by some British
in XIX century. It was all there. Plus a lot of information about
fascist trends in India. That is very similar to Nazi propaganda in
Germany. If they had the Internet back then some would sit and shoot
that nationalistic crap all day long.

But, I think we got them. I feel like thick poisonous saliva flows
down from my screen when I read posting of that Tense imbecile. Good,
very good.
Me, ...again!
2010-09-01 23:05:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by Old Pif
Post by Me, ...again!
Hey, Old Pif. Are you reading this? How about explaining? Me, I don't
think Indians are any different from anyone else; whole range from nice to
not-nice (Kamal, "Real Indian", and Maharaj), just like Americans range
from OK to idiots (find a lot over on alt.politics.economics, for example).
Well, it is like that. You live your live, you meet all kind of people
and like it or not your brain starts making profiling. My personal
experience with Indians has been rather bad. It does not mean that I
have not met good decent Indians but with time I have become very
apprehensive each time I deal with them. And indeed, try to find on
the Internet any other ethnic group that systematically harass others
with that crap about fat lazy <fill the blank>.
Yes, I'd like to ask Mr. "Myself...Mallu," who does not like "Americans"
who "talk down to Indians", if he has the imagination and memory to recall
how individuals like Kamal, Mr. ID-theif (with other names, too), and even
Mr. "Tambi Dude", also "talk down to" Americans about how Indians like to
talk for at least 5+ years how they like to see Americans "sent to hot dog
stand."

And, Kamal, give "economics lectures" all about everything the USA does is
wrong, and Comparative Advantage is from "God's mouth" and I have posted
this to Kamal at least 100 times for a long time (by a Nobel Prize
economist}:
---------------
The following quote is from Business Week, December 6, 2004
and from the article "Shaking up Trade Theory" by Aaron Bernstein
on pages 116 to 120. (The subtitle of the article is: "For decades
economists have insisted that the U.S. wins from globalization. Now they
are not so sure")

They quoted Paul Samuelson (MIT) as saying "Comparative advantage
cannot be counted on to create...net gains greater than the net
losses from trade"
--------------------------

Which makes 100% sense, and Kamal makes zero % sense.
Post by Old Pif
I am trying to look at
that from historical perspective. Practically every nation has its own
dark period and its own dark segment of the population. I recall one
of your post some time ago where you posted an excerpt by some British
in XIX century. It was all there. Plus a lot of information about
fascist trends in India. That is very similar to Nazi propaganda in
Germany. If they had the Internet back then some would sit and shoot
that nationalistic crap all day long.
Well, I don't sense nationalistic crap from "Myself" but it does come from
the "India-brag" guys, and Kamal just loves to give "economics lectures"
and I know he does not know his ass from a hole in the ground on that
stuff.
Post by Old Pif
But, I think we got them. I feel like thick poisonous saliva flows
down from my screen when I read posting of that Tense imbecile. Good,
very good.
Well, I'm OK with "Myself" and Banerjee, and a couple others (including
"P. Rajah"). But... Kamal, Tambi dude, IDTheif, Maharaj (and his
mega-crap), and the rest of the "send Americans to hot dog stand" for the
last 5-7 years ...can all go take a long walk on a short pier.

Or, even better: pack their bags and get outta the USA or leave their
US job located in India and go work for an Indian company. If that
sentiment was spread out in our media, it would contribute to more
xenophobia, too. And, that is building up in Europe (against immigrants
from outside the EU, and points east) and Russia (against all immigrants
from FRs, and farther outside). And, then we have (illegal)
Mexico/Mexicans.

So, I'm tired of some things, too.
Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
2010-09-02 05:08:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by Me, ...again!
Post by Old Pif
Post by Me, ...again!
Hey, Old Pif. Are you reading this? How about explaining? Me, I don't
think Indians are any different from anyone else; whole range from nice to
not-nice (Kamal, "Real Indian", and Maharaj), just like Americans range
from OK to idiots (find a lot over on alt.politics.economics, for example).
Well, it is like that. You live your live, you meet all kind of people
and like it or not your brain starts making profiling. My personal
experience with Indians has been rather bad. It does not mean that I
have not met good decent Indians but with time I have become very
apprehensive each time I deal with them. And indeed, try to find on
the Internet any other ethnic group that systematically harass others
with that crap about fat lazy <fill the blank>.
Yes, I'd like to ask Mr. "Myself...Mallu," who does not like "Americans"
who "talk down to Indians", if he has the imagination and memory to
recall how individuals like Kamal, Mr. ID-theif (with other names, too),
and even Mr. "Tambi Dude", also "talk down to" Americans about how
Indians like to talk for at least 5+ years how they like to see
Americans "sent to hot dog stand."
I would like you to point to my posts where I've said that I don't like
'Americans talking down to me.' That is completely untrue. I've said
that I don't like racist halfwitted macaques like 'Old Bloody Poof'
talking down to me, and I make/made that quite clear. Heck, I make that
clear to other halfwitted nazi rat jihadi, 'Hari Kumar' too. Recently
there were a whole lot of Singaporean folks hunting as a pack and
denigrating their own folks of Indian ethnicity (like they owe their
allegiance to India, or like Indians identify with the Indian diaspora).
I have had no problems dispatching these rats with equally vituperative
language.

Now, I do know that several Indians talk down to 'Americans', but I do
not recall any instances where they've been allowed to get away with it
by 'Americans'. Y'all are not exactly shrinking violets, are you?
Post by Me, ...again!
And, Kamal, give "economics lectures" all about everything the USA does
is wrong, and Comparative Advantage is from "God's mouth" and I have
posted this to Kamal at least 100 times for a long time (by a Nobel
---------------
The following quote is from Business Week, December 6, 2004
and from the article "Shaking up Trade Theory" by Aaron Bernstein
on pages 116 to 120. (The subtitle of the article is: "For decades
economists have insisted that the U.S. wins from globalization. Now they
are not so sure")
They quoted Paul Samuelson (MIT) as saying "Comparative advantage
cannot be counted on to create...net gains greater than the net
losses from trade"
--------------------------
Which makes 100% sense, and Kamal makes zero % sense.
This is battle for _you_ and _Kamal_ to sort out as individuals, and
_not_ as Americans or Indians. I am getting kind of tired of saying this.
Post by Me, ...again!
Post by Old Pif
I am trying to look at
that from historical perspective. Practically every nation has its own
dark period and its own dark segment of the population. I recall one
of your post some time ago where you posted an excerpt by some British
in XIX century. It was all there. Plus a lot of information about
fascist trends in India. That is very similar to Nazi propaganda in
Germany. If they had the Internet back then some would sit and shoot
that nationalistic crap all day long.
Well, I don't sense nationalistic crap from "Myself" but it does come
from the "India-brag" guys, and Kamal just loves to give "economics
lectures" and I know he does not know his ass from a hole in the ground
on that stuff.
One last time, I am not an Indian 'nationalist' nor have I ever been
one, and neither are my buddies in India. However, I do take pride in my
roots, and the immense diversity that India has had to offer, and I
simply do not take kindly to sweeping claims (for or against) that,
especially from low-class scum like Old Poof or Hari Kumar.

I have never felt out of place in the US, mainly because I met friendly
open people (not trash like Old Poof or Hari Kumar), who've respected my
views, and I, theirs. The interactions were never, and will never be,
about Indians vs Americans, but rather a healthy curiosity of one
another's music, literature, cuisine, ... The _only_ instances of idiocy
I've ever encountered are on this newsgroup, which I subscribed to on a
dare. Otherwise I would be blissfully unaware of the kind of trash that
clogs these groups.
Post by Me, ...again!
Post by Old Pif
But, I think we got them. I feel like thick poisonous saliva flows
down from my screen when I read posting of that Tense imbecile. Good,
very good.
Well, I'm OK with "Myself" and Banerjee, and a couple others (including
"P. Rajah"). But... Kamal, Tambi dude, IDTheif, Maharaj (and his
mega-crap), and the rest of the "send Americans to hot dog stand" for
the last 5-7 years ...can all go take a long walk on a short pier.
Or, even better: pack their bags and get outta the USA or leave their
US job located in India and go work for an Indian company. If that
sentiment was spread out in our media, it would contribute to more
xenophobia, too. And, that is building up in Europe (against immigrants
from outside the EU, and points east) and Russia (against all immigrants
from FRs, and farther outside). And, then we have (illegal)
Mexico/Mexicans.
So, I'm tired of some things, too.
Me, ...again!
2010-09-02 23:27:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Post by Me, ...again!
Post by Old Pif
Post by Me, ...again!
Hey, Old Pif. Are you reading this? How about explaining? Me, I don't
think Indians are any different from anyone else; whole range from nice to
not-nice (Kamal, "Real Indian", and Maharaj), just like Americans range
from OK to idiots (find a lot over on alt.politics.economics, for example).
Well, it is like that. You live your live, you meet all kind of people
and like it or not your brain starts making profiling. My personal
experience with Indians has been rather bad. It does not mean that I
have not met good decent Indians but with time I have become very
apprehensive each time I deal with them. And indeed, try to find on
the Internet any other ethnic group that systematically harass others
with that crap about fat lazy <fill the blank>.
Yes, I'd like to ask Mr. "Myself...Mallu," who does not like "Americans"
who "talk down to Indians", if he has the imagination and memory to
recall how individuals like Kamal, Mr. ID-theif (with other names, too),
and even Mr. "Tambi Dude", also "talk down to" Americans about how
Indians like to talk for at least 5+ years how they like to see
Americans "sent to hot dog stand."
I would like you to point to my posts where I've said that I don't like
'Americans talking down to me.' That is completely untrue. I've said that I
don't like racist halfwitted macaques like 'Old Bloody Poof' talking down to
me, and I make/made that quite clear. Heck, I make that clear to other
halfwitted nazi rat jihadi, 'Hari Kumar' too. Recently there were a whole lot
of Singaporean folks hunting as a pack and denigrating their own folks of
Indian ethnicity (like they owe their allegiance to India, or like Indians
identify with the Indian diaspora). I have had no problems dispatching these
rats with equally vituperative language.
Fine. You said your "piece." And, I said my "piece."
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Now, I do know that several Indians talk down to 'Americans', but I do not
recall any instances where they've been allowed to get away with it by
'Americans'. Y'all are not exactly shrinking violets, are you?
Damned right!
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Post by Me, ...again!
And, Kamal, give "economics lectures" all about everything the USA does
is wrong, and Comparative Advantage is from "God's mouth" and I have
posted this to Kamal at least 100 times for a long time (by a Nobel
---------------
The following quote is from Business Week, December 6, 2004
and from the article "Shaking up Trade Theory" by Aaron Bernstein
on pages 116 to 120. (The subtitle of the article is: "For decades
economists have insisted that the U.S. wins from globalization. Now they
are not so sure")
They quoted Paul Samuelson (MIT) as saying "Comparative advantage
cannot be counted on to create...net gains greater than the net
losses from trade"
--------------------------
Which makes 100% sense, and Kamal makes zero % sense.
This is battle for _you_ and _Kamal_ to sort out as individuals, and _not_ as
Americans or Indians. I am getting kind of tired of saying this.
Fine. And, as long as Kamal waves _his_ flag of crap. I will wave _my_
flag of anti-crap.
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Post by Me, ...again!
Post by Old Pif
I am trying to look at
that from historical perspective. Practically every nation has its own
dark period and its own dark segment of the population. I recall one
of your post some time ago where you posted an excerpt by some British
in XIX century. It was all there. Plus a lot of information about
fascist trends in India. That is very similar to Nazi propaganda in
Germany. If they had the Internet back then some would sit and shoot
that nationalistic crap all day long.
Well, I don't sense nationalistic crap from "Myself" but it does come
from the "India-brag" guys, and Kamal just loves to give "economics
lectures" and I know he does not know his ass from a hole in the ground
on that stuff.
One last time, I am not an Indian 'nationalist' nor have I ever been one, and
neither are my buddies in India. However, I do take pride in my roots, and
the immense diversity that India has had to offer, and I simply do not take
kindly to sweeping claims (for or against) that, especially from low-class
scum like Old Poof or Hari Kumar.
Fine.
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
I have never felt out of place in the US, mainly because I met friendly open
people (not trash like Old Poof or Hari Kumar), who've respected my views,
and I, theirs. The interactions were never, and will never be, about Indians
vs Americans, but rather a healthy curiosity of one another's music,
literature, cuisine, ... The _only_ instances of idiocy I've ever encountered
are on this newsgroup, which I subscribed to on a dare. Otherwise I would be
blissfully unaware of the kind of trash that clogs these groups.
Fine.

Thank you for your time and thoughts.

///////////////
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Post by Me, ...again!
Post by Old Pif
But, I think we got them. I feel like thick poisonous saliva flows
down from my screen when I read posting of that Tense imbecile. Good,
very good.
Well, I'm OK with "Myself" and Banerjee, and a couple others (including
"P. Rajah"). But... Kamal, Tambi dude, IDTheif, Maharaj (and his
mega-crap), and the rest of the "send Americans to hot dog stand" for
the last 5-7 years ...can all go take a long walk on a short pier.
Or, even better: pack their bags and get outta the USA or leave their
US job located in India and go work for an Indian company. If that
sentiment was spread out in our media, it would contribute to more
xenophobia, too. And, that is building up in Europe (against immigrants
from outside the EU, and points east) and Russia (against all immigrants
from FRs, and farther outside). And, then we have (illegal)
Mexico/Mexicans.
So, I'm tired of some things, too.
Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
2010-09-02 05:08:49 UTC
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Post by Old Pif
Post by Me, ...again!
Hey, Old Pif. Are you reading this? How about explaining? Me, I don't
think Indians are any different from anyone else; whole range from nice to
not-nice (Kamal, "Real Indian", and Maharaj), just like Americans range
from OK to idiots (find a lot over on alt.politics.economics, for example).
Well, it is like that. You live your live, you meet all kind of people
and like it or not your brain starts making profiling. My personal
experience with Indians has been rather bad. It does not mean that I
have not met good decent Indians but with time I have become very
apprehensive each time I deal with them. And indeed, try to find on
the Internet any other ethnic group that systematically harass others
with that crap about fat lazy<fill the blank>. I am trying to look at
that from historical perspective. Practically every nation has its own
dark period and its own dark segment of the population. I recall one
of your post some time ago where you posted an excerpt by some British
in XIX century. It was all there. Plus a lot of information about
fascist trends in India. That is very similar to Nazi propaganda in
Germany. If they had the Internet back then some would sit and shoot
that nationalistic crap all day long.
But, I think we got them. I feel like thick poisonous saliva flows
down from my screen when I read posting of that Tense imbecile. Good,
very good.
What a hoot. Apparently the venomous crap you spout here is that of an
'enlightened being', eh, gibbering gibbon? Before you call me an
imbecile, I would much rather see you establish your credentials in
'theoretical physics' (and the 'inborn genius'), stupid bleeding poof.
Yeah, 'chop shop' coding for physics jocks doesn't quite rub off. Also,
before you worry about 'fascist trends' in India, you might want to take
care of your own 'fascism', fucking nazi troll.
Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
2010-09-02 05:08:41 UTC
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Post by Me, ...again!
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Post by Me, ...again!
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Post by Me, ...again!
Hey, Mr. "Myself...Mallu" --although you are articulate,
knowledgeable,
and civilized--how come you don't "pick on" Kamal and his grammar,
punctuation shortcomings, and--above all--wacky sellective
interpretation of US/American characteristics (i.e. our paper money is
no good, but all the other countries have paper money, too, debt, too,
everything else we have...and they are all trying to be "just like"
America/USA...but Kamal doesn't understand any of this).
Nope. Sorry, I just will not let low-class scum get away with their
blinkered opinions. I am just a little cussed about things.
Which scum are you talking about? Kamal or "Old Pif"?
Old Poof. Like I said, Kamal has not crossed swords with me,
He has with me. And, going back 5+ years. Full of anti-US, anti-white
propaganda and defective economics ideas. Pretty ignorant of history, too.
If Kamal has, then it is _your_ problem, and not mine. Spar with him (as
an individual) to your heart's content. Just don't bring out a broad
brush to tar Indians. Period.
Post by Me, ...again!
and I have no
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
beef with him. He is wrong about lots of things about the US, but
those are his opinions, and as such he cops enough flack from you, Old
Poof, Rajah. Why would/should "Myself" add to this?
No matter to me. I can "dust off" Kamal without any problems, all by
myself. Kamal is still living in the "flat earth society" type of world.
Fine.
Post by Me, ...again!
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Post by Me, ...again!
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Well over a year ago, when 'Real Indian' was posting under the nick 'father',
He posted under lots of names.
I know that too.
Post by Me, ...again!
the old poof talked down to me about several things - Hindus
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Post by Me, ...again!
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
should be eternally grateful to the Brits for having bestowed the
'boon' of English on the unwashed, and that Indians (maybe it was
Hindus) were no better than monkeys in being able to push the button,
all this while posturing as a 'pundit' of the English language, and
someone with inborn 'genius' when it came to 'theoretical physics' (I
was a bit off on the 'astrophysics' thing). You think I am going to
let and old poof and his poor language skills get away? No way! I am
yet to be dazzled by this idiot's skills in 'theoretical physics' too.
Third-rate code hack probably wrote a couple of lines of code around
problem formulations of genuine physicists, and hopes that some of the
accomplishments of others rub off on the old 'chop shop' poof.
Well, as far as I'm concerned, Indians who came to the US and got good
jobs did not learn their english here. They got it from somewhere else.
And, it did help them a lot. How many Indians are in China speaking
Chinese? How many other languages?
A vast majority of Indians here in the US are post-independence born
folks, and would have learned English from Indians in India, not Brits.
And, before that? When were the first Indians learning English? The
books say that the Brits started teaching English to Indians.
I don't really give a damn who taught Indians English, and I am not
interested in time travel - good to learn from once in a while, but not
good to be glued in forever. It is good, however, that Indians do
understand that English is the language of international business, and
do know how to use it to move forward. This is isn't anything wrong with
that, at all. However, to expect that Indians should be forever grateful
to the Brits for the English language (and the railways in three gauges)
is simply pipe dream. Heck, I would much rather see 'eternal gratitude'
from the Brits for the amount looted from India and rendering it an
impoverished nation. The Brits are your original 'cheats', 'thieves',
and 'job stealers'.
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Furthermore,
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
most of the Indians here are not the 'impoverished and famine struck'
kind that the American mind likes to conjure up. Almost all of them
have indoor plumbing 'back home'. Old Poof, whose head is up his
hiney, might want to take note of this. There is a limit to the
patronizing crap that I'll put up with.
Post by Me, ...again!
Who is better? I don't recognize any "master race" or "superiority". I
have seen no proof or evidence.
There is no such thing as a 'master race'. Period. However, using Old
Poof and the nazi rat 'Hari Kumar' as yardsticks, there are certainly
superior humans.
I'll leave them for you to deal with. 'Hari Kumal' does a good job
showing Maharaj's shortcomings, errors, misrepresentations, propaganda.
Sorry if he irritates you on some other things.
This 'Hari Kumar' jihadi rat is as phony as the person he claims to
'correct.' This guy is not a mere irritation. To me, he personifies
'evil'. Behind all that pious cant and posturing lies a completely
dishonest untrustworthy son of a bitch, with an agenda to boot. He might
serve your purpose when it comes to phony doc, but you should watch your
back with this rat.
Post by Me, ...again!
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Post by Me, ...again!
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Kamal has not crossed swords with me.
Kamal's problem is that some 5+ years ago he had to leave the US because
of some visa problem he never fully explained. He lost some money
because of this. He has been on a bad-mouthing, bashing, disrespectful,
misrepresentation of history, and anti-white warpath ever since.
But, if he wants to just talk about USA problems, and distribute
sellective economic dogma, then I'll have to talk about India's problems
and Kamal's defects in his thinking (and by the way, I've seen many
articles in the media that the whole world is concerned about the cheap
Chinese currency screwing up everyone, including India...but you'll
never hear this from kamal since he wants to demonize the USA).
If he does, by gum, I'll take off the
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
gloves with him too. I strongly believe that he has wrong notions
about the US, and many other things, but that is your problem, and one
that requires lots of patience.
I've had 5+ years of patience. Someday I may decide my bird-watching and
squirrel-watching is more rewarding. My house is paid for, my retirement
resources are plenty, I have zero debt, and I'm not living near any
al-queda targets.
:-) :-) Good for you.
And, I'm paying more attention these days to news about the radical
Muslims, and all these guys they are catching with bomb-making, etc.
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
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However, like phony doc, he too is a lightning rod for India bash, right?
Yes. However, I do not hold anything against average Indians. Only
anti-US, anti-white, arrogant ones.
I am fine with that.
Good. Then we can be friends. :-)
Can be? We are friends. I count on all people here, except a couple two
nazi monkeys, as my friends. Yeah, that includes Romanise too. :-)
Post by Me, ...again!
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
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Right now, this self-righteous old poof is the one that
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
needs a real hiding. Sorry, I don't hunt in a pack, and I fight my
battles alone.
Fine, mostly I do too.
And, I do not know if Old Pif hates/dislikes all Indians or just the
"India-brag" Indians who think they are superior and Americans are
dirt/etc.
Old Poof disliking Indians? That is an understatement. This son of a
bitch is mean spirited, and downright nasty racist PoS. I would have
had no problem with him going after 'India-brag' Indians. But the
stupid baboon doesn't stop there. I get this patronizing garbage and
some equally inane crap about 'theoretical physics', blah, blah. Time
to rip the bleeding sod a new one.
Hey, Old Pif. Are you reading this? How about explaining? Me, I don't
think Indians are any different from anyone else; whole range from nice
to not-nice (Kamal, "Real Indian", and Maharaj), just like Americans
range from OK to idiots (find a lot over on alt.politics.economics, for
example).
Indians come in all colors, shapes, sizes, and opinions, just like in
_any_ country on this planet. It is better to converse/argue with people
one on one, instead of using phony docs and assorted other mean spirited
baboons to put forth one's own prejudices. This is simply not on.
Post by Me, ...again!
I get along fine with "Myself" and Banerjee and "P. Rajah" and one or
two others.
DMJoshi
2010-09-02 07:41:08 UTC
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On Sep 2, 6:08 am, "Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu"
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Post by Me, ...again!
I'll leave them for you to deal with. 'Hari Kumal' does a good job
showing Maharaj's shortcomings, errors, misrepresentations, propaganda.
Sorry if he irritates you on some other things.
This 'Hari Kumar' jihadi rat is as phony as the person he claims to
'correct.' This guy is not a mere irritation. To me, he personifies
'evil'. Behind all that pious cant and posturing lies a completely
dishonest untrustworthy son of a bitch, with an agenda to boot. He might
serve your purpose when it comes to phony doc, but you should watch your
back with this rat.
You having interacted with both so extensively where exactly do you
think this interlocutor will get a bite from the "rat"?
Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
2010-09-03 04:16:29 UTC
Permalink
On Sep 2, 6:08 am, "Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu"
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Post by Me, ...again!
I'll leave them for you to deal with. 'Hari Kumal' does a good job
showing Maharaj's shortcomings, errors, misrepresentations, propaganda.
Sorry if he irritates you on some other things.
This 'Hari Kumar' jihadi rat is as phony as the person he claims to
'correct.' This guy is not a mere irritation. To me, he personifies
'evil'. Behind all that pious cant and posturing lies a completely
dishonest untrustworthy son of a bitch, with an agenda to boot. He might
serve your purpose when it comes to phony doc, but you should watch your
back with this rat.
You having interacted with both so extensively where exactly do you
think this interlocutor will get a bite from the "rat"?
Dunno, but it could happen. :-) Then again, the hatred for Indians (esp.
Hindus) runs so deep, that it might not happen at all.
Me, ...again!
2010-09-02 23:22:51 UTC
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Post by Me, ...again!
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Post by Me, ...again!
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Post by Me, ...again!
Hey, Mr. "Myself...Mallu" --although you are articulate,
knowledgeable,
and civilized--how come you don't "pick on" Kamal and his grammar,
punctuation shortcomings, and--above all--wacky sellective
interpretation of US/American characteristics (i.e. our paper money is
no good, but all the other countries have paper money, too, debt, too,
everything else we have...and they are all trying to be "just like"
America/USA...but Kamal doesn't understand any of this).
Nope. Sorry, I just will not let low-class scum get away with their
blinkered opinions. I am just a little cussed about things.
Which scum are you talking about? Kamal or "Old Pif"?
Old Poof. Like I said, Kamal has not crossed swords with me,
He has with me. And, going back 5+ years. Full of anti-US, anti-white
propaganda and defective economics ideas. Pretty ignorant of history, too.
If Kamal has, then it is _your_ problem, and not mine. Spar with him (as an
individual) to your heart's content. Just don't bring out a broad brush to
tar Indians. Period.
When Kamal and other Indians (shall I list them again?) bring out a broad
brush to tar Americans, "whites," and Europeans, for the last 5-7 years,
do you think I'm going to turn the other cheek?

And, I see almost zero appreciation for world history, going back
thousands of years, where all peoples carried out warfares, exploitations,
and bad deeds. And, I see almost zero recognition of this fact by most
Indians (you are an exception) who post here.

I'm serious. Period.

More below.
Post by Me, ...again!
and I have no
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
beef with him. He is wrong about lots of things about the US, but
those are his opinions, and as such he cops enough flack from you, Old
Poof, Rajah. Why would/should "Myself" add to this?
No matter to me. I can "dust off" Kamal without any problems, all by
myself. Kamal is still living in the "flat earth society" type of world.
Fine.
Post by Me, ...again!
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Post by Me, ...again!
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Well over a year ago, when 'Real Indian' was posting under the nick 'father',
He posted under lots of names.
I know that too.
Post by Me, ...again!
the old poof talked down to me about several things - Hindus
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Post by Me, ...again!
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
should be eternally grateful to the Brits for having bestowed the
'boon' of English on the unwashed, and that Indians (maybe it was
Hindus) were no better than monkeys in being able to push the button,
all this while posturing as a 'pundit' of the English language, and
someone with inborn 'genius' when it came to 'theoretical physics' (I
was a bit off on the 'astrophysics' thing). You think I am going to
let and old poof and his poor language skills get away? No way! I am
yet to be dazzled by this idiot's skills in 'theoretical physics' too.
Third-rate code hack probably wrote a couple of lines of code around
problem formulations of genuine physicists, and hopes that some of the
accomplishments of others rub off on the old 'chop shop' poof.
Well, as far as I'm concerned, Indians who came to the US and got good
jobs did not learn their english here. They got it from somewhere else.
And, it did help them a lot. How many Indians are in China speaking
Chinese? How many other languages?
A vast majority of Indians here in the US are post-independence born
folks, and would have learned English from Indians in India, not Brits.
And, before that? When were the first Indians learning English? The
books say that the Brits started teaching English to Indians.
I don't really give a damn who taught Indians English, and I am not
interested in time travel - good to learn from once in a while, but not good
to be glued in forever. It is good, however, that Indians do understand that
English is the language of international business, and do know how to use it
to move forward.
Same with any and all other peoples who are not Americans/British/etc.,
who want to personally advance.

This is isn't anything wrong with that, at all. However, to
expect that Indians should be forever grateful to the Brits for the English
language (and the railways in three gauges) is simply pipe dream.
In contrast to many Indians who _constantly_ bash the USA, USD, etc., I
can list many things about US society and "first world" standard of living
that are _good_. And, I think, down the road, more and more 3rd world
countries are going to see an evolution towards first world standards. As
much as energy resources, pollution, and climat change will have to be
dealt with, Indians (as well as other 3rd worlders) will see more cars,
improved food, water, education, etc., in the future. However, most of
them, too, will ignore and forget where it all came from.

Heck, I
would much rather see 'eternal gratitude' from the Brits for the amount
looted from India and rendering it an impoverished nation.
China started out with the same "impoverished" status, or worse. Look
where they are without Brits anywhere.

The Brits are your
original 'cheats', 'thieves', and 'job stealers'.
Yeah, replaced by all the "new cheats" "new thieves" and "new job
stealers".
Post by Me, ...again!
Furthermore,
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
most of the Indians here are not the 'impoverished and famine struck'
kind that the American mind likes to conjure up. Almost all of them
have indoor plumbing 'back home'. Old Poof, whose head is up his
hiney, might want to take note of this. There is a limit to the
patronizing crap that I'll put up with.
Post by Me, ...again!
Who is better? I don't recognize any "master race" or "superiority". I
have seen no proof or evidence.
There is no such thing as a 'master race'. Period. However, using Old
Poof and the nazi rat 'Hari Kumar' as yardsticks, there are certainly
superior humans.
I'll leave them for you to deal with. 'Hari Kumal' does a good job
showing Maharaj's shortcomings, errors, misrepresentations, propaganda.
Sorry if he irritates you on some other things.
This 'Hari Kumar' jihadi rat is as phony as the person he claims to
'correct.' This guy is not a mere irritation. To me, he personifies 'evil'.
Behind all that pious cant and posturing lies a completely dishonest
untrustworthy son of a bitch, with an agenda to boot. He might serve your
purpose when it comes to phony doc, but you should watch your back with this
rat.
I will leave you and he to duel out for final decisions.
Post by Me, ...again!
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Post by Me, ...again!
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Kamal has not crossed swords with me.
Kamal's problem is that some 5+ years ago he had to leave the US because
of some visa problem he never fully explained. He lost some money
because of this. He has been on a bad-mouthing, bashing, disrespectful,
misrepresentation of history, and anti-white warpath ever since.
But, if he wants to just talk about USA problems, and distribute
sellective economic dogma, then I'll have to talk about India's problems
and Kamal's defects in his thinking (and by the way, I've seen many
articles in the media that the whole world is concerned about the cheap
Chinese currency screwing up everyone, including India...but you'll
never hear this from kamal since he wants to demonize the USA).
If he does, by gum, I'll take off the
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
gloves with him too. I strongly believe that he has wrong notions
about the US, and many other things, but that is your problem, and one
that requires lots of patience.
I've had 5+ years of patience. Someday I may decide my bird-watching and
squirrel-watching is more rewarding. My house is paid for, my retirement
resources are plenty, I have zero debt, and I'm not living near any
al-queda targets.
:-) :-) Good for you.
And, I'm paying more attention these days to news about the radical
Muslims, and all these guys they are catching with bomb-making, etc.
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Post by Me, ...again!
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
However, like phony doc, he too is a lightning rod for India bash, right?
Yes. However, I do not hold anything against average Indians. Only
anti-US, anti-white, arrogant ones.
I am fine with that.
Good. Then we can be friends. :-)
Can be? We are friends.
Good. :-) (maybe with very minor differences of opinions.... :-\ )

However, I would get worried if I found anyone who agreed with me 100%.
Surely an indication that something is wrong.

I count on all people here, except a couple two nazi
monkeys, as my friends. Yeah, that includes Romanise too. :-)
Romanise only wants to find wooden doll with the name "USA" on it so he
can kick it all day over US Pakistan policy over which I have no control,
and if he does not have the wooden doll, then kick "American Mongrel" and
"Paki Stooge" (i.e. me) or "ISI Agent" (also me) all day, too.

May you and Romanise enjoy each other's company without me.
Post by Me, ...again!
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
stupid baboon doesn't stop there. I get this patronizing garbage and
some equally inane crap about 'theoretical physics', blah, blah. Time
to rip the bleeding sod a new one.
Hey, Old Pif. Are you reading this? How about explaining? Me, I don't
think Indians are any different from anyone else; whole range from nice
to not-nice (Kamal, "Real Indian", and Maharaj), just like Americans
range from OK to idiots (find a lot over on alt.politics.economics, for
example).
Indians come in all colors, shapes, sizes, and opinions, just like in _any_
country on this planet. It is better to converse/argue with people one on
one, instead of using phony docs and assorted other mean spirited baboons to
put forth one's own prejudices. This is simply not on.
Fine.

Bye for now.
Post by Me, ...again!
I get along fine with "Myself" and Banerjee and "P. Rajah" and one or
two others.
Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
2010-09-03 04:16:50 UTC
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Post by Me, ...again!
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Post by Me, ...again!
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Post by Me, ...again!
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Post by Me, ...again!
Hey, Mr. "Myself...Mallu" --although you are articulate,
knowledgeable,
and civilized--how come you don't "pick on" Kamal and his grammar,
punctuation shortcomings, and--above all--wacky sellective
interpretation of US/American characteristics (i.e. our paper money is
no good, but all the other countries have paper money, too, debt, too,
everything else we have...and they are all trying to be "just like"
America/USA...but Kamal doesn't understand any of this).
Nope. Sorry, I just will not let low-class scum get away with their
blinkered opinions. I am just a little cussed about things.
Which scum are you talking about? Kamal or "Old Pif"?
Old Poof. Like I said, Kamal has not crossed swords with me,
He has with me. And, going back 5+ years. Full of anti-US, anti-white
propaganda and defective economics ideas. Pretty ignorant of history, too.
If Kamal has, then it is _your_ problem, and not mine. Spar with him
(as an individual) to your heart's content. Just don't bring out a
broad brush to tar Indians. Period.
When Kamal and other Indians (shall I list them again?) bring out a
broad brush to tar Americans, "whites," and Europeans, for the last 5-7
years, do you think I'm going to turn the other cheek?
Have I asked you to? If you want to have at them, fine. However, do
tread the fine line between going after these folks you dislike (or
hate) and tarring a whole bunch of Indians. And no, do not expect anyone
(Indians or other) to take up cudgels on your behalf.
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And, I see almost zero appreciation for world history, going back
thousands of years, where all peoples carried out warfares,
exploitations, and bad deeds. And, I see almost zero recognition of this
fact by most Indians (you are an exception) who post here.
I'm serious. Period.
Appreciation of world history depends on how open one is to meeting
peoples from around the world, and getting to really know them. That is
why I like the US melting pot, esp. the western coast, where there are
so many ethnicities, ideas (good and bad), ...
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and I have no
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beef with him. He is wrong about lots of things about the US, but
those are his opinions, and as such he cops enough flack from you, Old
Poof, Rajah. Why would/should "Myself" add to this?
No matter to me. I can "dust off" Kamal without any problems, all by
myself. Kamal is still living in the "flat earth society" type of world.
Fine.
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Well over a year ago, when 'Real Indian' was posting under the nick 'father',
He posted under lots of names.
I know that too.
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the old poof talked down to me about several things - Hindus
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should be eternally grateful to the Brits for having bestowed the
'boon' of English on the unwashed, and that Indians (maybe it was
Hindus) were no better than monkeys in being able to push the button,
all this while posturing as a 'pundit' of the English language, and
someone with inborn 'genius' when it came to 'theoretical physics' (I
was a bit off on the 'astrophysics' thing). You think I am going to
let and old poof and his poor language skills get away? No way! I am
yet to be dazzled by this idiot's skills in 'theoretical physics' too.
Third-rate code hack probably wrote a couple of lines of code around
problem formulations of genuine physicists, and hopes that some of the
accomplishments of others rub off on the old 'chop shop' poof.
Well, as far as I'm concerned, Indians who came to the US and got good
jobs did not learn their english here. They got it from somewhere else.
And, it did help them a lot. How many Indians are in China speaking
Chinese? How many other languages?
A vast majority of Indians here in the US are post-independence born
folks, and would have learned English from Indians in India, not Brits.
And, before that? When were the first Indians learning English? The
books say that the Brits started teaching English to Indians.
I don't really give a damn who taught Indians English, and I am not
interested in time travel - good to learn from once in a while, but
not good to be glued in forever. It is good, however, that Indians do
understand that English is the language of international business, and
do know how to use it to move forward.
Same with any and all other peoples who are not Americans/British/etc.,
who want to personally advance.
Yeah, so what? Right now the conversation is focused on Indians, and
arguments are best carried out within that confine. The constant
enlarging and shrinking the picture when convenient dilutes the argument.
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This is isn't anything wrong with that, at all. However, to
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expect that Indians should be forever grateful to the Brits for the
English language (and the railways in three gauges) is simply pipe dream.
In contrast to many Indians who _constantly_ bash the USA, USD, etc., I
can list many things about US society and "first world" standard of
living that are _good_. And, I think, down the road, more and more 3rd
world countries are going to see an evolution towards first world
standards. As much as energy resources, pollution, and climat change
will have to be dealt with, Indians (as well as other 3rd worlders) will
see more cars, improved food, water, education, etc., in the future.
However, most of them, too, will ignore and forget where it all came from.
The human memory is amazingly short when it comes to successes. Some
things are taken for granted, no? Now if one were to do some real time
travel, you'll find that the Brits enjoyed tremendous success on the
backs of 'third worlders' that lots of people have contempt for. Looks
like the Brits too forgot where it all came from.
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Heck, I
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would much rather see 'eternal gratitude' from the Brits for the
amount looted from India and rendering it an impoverished nation.
China started out with the same "impoverished" status, or worse. Look
where they are without Brits anywhere.
Sure, if one can carefully cultivate xenophobia, prevent looting of its
resources by 'first worlders' who think it is their birthright, close
borders, murder one's own people, control demographics, control every
aspect of one's society, and pretty much bully smaller nations, any
nation could move out of its 'impoverished' status.
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The Brits are your
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original 'cheats', 'thieves', and 'job stealers'.
Yeah, replaced by all the "new cheats" "new thieves" and "new job
stealers".
Who'll be replaced by even newer ones (perhaps the same old ones)... and
the cycle goes on and on.
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Furthermore,
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most of the Indians here are not the 'impoverished and famine struck'
kind that the American mind likes to conjure up. Almost all of them
have indoor plumbing 'back home'. Old Poof, whose head is up his
hiney, might want to take note of this. There is a limit to the
patronizing crap that I'll put up with.
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Who is better? I don't recognize any "master race" or "superiority". I
have seen no proof or evidence.
There is no such thing as a 'master race'. Period. However, using Old
Poof and the nazi rat 'Hari Kumar' as yardsticks, there are certainly
superior humans.
I'll leave them for you to deal with. 'Hari Kumal' does a good job
showing Maharaj's shortcomings, errors, misrepresentations, propaganda.
Sorry if he irritates you on some other things.
This 'Hari Kumar' jihadi rat is as phony as the person he claims to
'correct.' This guy is not a mere irritation. To me, he personifies
'evil'. Behind all that pious cant and posturing lies a completely
dishonest untrustworthy son of a bitch, with an agenda to boot. He
might serve your purpose when it comes to phony doc, but you should
watch your back with this rat.
I will leave you and he to duel out for final decisions.
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Kamal has not crossed swords with me.
Kamal's problem is that some 5+ years ago he had to leave the US because
of some visa problem he never fully explained. He lost some money
because of this. He has been on a bad-mouthing, bashing,
disrespectful,
misrepresentation of history, and anti-white warpath ever since.
But, if he wants to just talk about USA problems, and distribute
sellective economic dogma, then I'll have to talk about India's problems
and Kamal's defects in his thinking (and by the way, I've seen many
articles in the media that the whole world is concerned about the cheap
Chinese currency screwing up everyone, including India...but you'll
never hear this from kamal since he wants to demonize the USA).
If he does, by gum, I'll take off the
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gloves with him too. I strongly believe that he has wrong notions
about the US, and many other things, but that is your problem, and one
that requires lots of patience.
I've had 5+ years of patience. Someday I may decide my
bird-watching and
squirrel-watching is more rewarding. My house is paid for, my retirement
resources are plenty, I have zero debt, and I'm not living near any
al-queda targets.
:-) :-) Good for you.
And, I'm paying more attention these days to news about the radical
Muslims, and all these guys they are catching with bomb-making, etc.
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However, like phony doc, he too is a lightning rod for India bash, right?
Yes. However, I do not hold anything against average Indians. Only
anti-US, anti-white, arrogant ones.
I am fine with that.
Good. Then we can be friends. :-)
Can be? We are friends.
Good. :-) (maybe with very minor differences of opinions.... :-\ )
However, I would get worried if I found anyone who agreed with me 100%.
Surely an indication that something is wrong.
Certainly - no one should have 100% agreement on anything with anybody.
That represents intellectual stasis. However, moronic hate-filled nazi
monkeys like Old Poof, and slimy nazis with hidden agendas like 'Hari
Kumar' do not belong in any group of humans.
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I count on all people here, except a couple two nazi
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monkeys, as my friends. Yeah, that includes Romanise too. :-)
Romanise only wants to find wooden doll with the name "USA" on it so he
can kick it all day over US Pakistan policy over which I have no
control, and if he does not have the wooden doll, then kick "American
Mongrel" and "Paki Stooge" (i.e. me) or "ISI Agent" (also me) all day, too.
May you and Romanise enjoy each other's company without me.
I most certainly will, without anyone's approval too. :-)
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stupid baboon doesn't stop there. I get this patronizing garbage and
some equally inane crap about 'theoretical physics', blah, blah. Time
to rip the bleeding sod a new one.
Hey, Old Pif. Are you reading this? How about explaining? Me, I don't
think Indians are any different from anyone else; whole range from nice
to not-nice (Kamal, "Real Indian", and Maharaj), just like Americans
range from OK to idiots (find a lot over on alt.politics.economics, for
example).
Indians come in all colors, shapes, sizes, and opinions, just like in
_any_ country on this planet. It is better to converse/argue with
people one on one, instead of using phony docs and assorted other mean
spirited baboons to put forth one's own prejudices. This is simply not
on.
Fine.
Bye for now.
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I get along fine with "Myself" and Banerjee and "P. Rajah" and one or
two others.
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Hey, Mr. "Myself...Mallu" --although you are articulate, knowledgeable,
and civilized--how come you don't "pick on" Kamal and his grammar,
punctuation shortcomings, and--above all--wacky sellective
interpretation of US/American characteristics (i.e. our paper money is
no good, but all the other countries have paper money, too, debt, too,
everything else we have...and they are all trying to be "just like"
America/USA...but Kamal doesn't understand any of this).
Nope. Sorry, I just will not let low-class scum get away with their
blinkered opinions. I am just a little cussed about things.
Which scum are you talking about? Kamal or "Old Pif"?
Old Poof. Like I said, Kamal has not crossed swords with me,
He has with me. And, going back 5+ years. Full of anti-US, anti-white
propaganda and defective economics ideas. Pretty ignorant of history, too.
If Kamal has, then it is _your_ problem, and not mine. Spar with him
(as an individual) to your heart's content. Just don't bring out a
broad brush to tar Indians. Period.
When Kamal and other Indians (shall I list them again?) bring out a
broad brush to tar Americans, "whites," and Europeans, for the last 5-7
years, do you think I'm going to turn the other cheek?
Have I asked you to? If you want to have at them, fine. However, do tread the
fine line between going after these folks you dislike (or hate) and tarring a
whole bunch of Indians.
I hope I have explained it enough that I don't have to repeat again. I
have nothing against Indians in general. Just a few in specific. I also
bash US CEOs and other money and job manipulators who organize their
businesses to screw underlings for the purpose of further enriching only
the rich.

And no, do not expect anyone (Indians or other) to
take up cudgels on your behalf.
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And, I see almost zero appreciation for world history, going back
thousands of years, where all peoples carried out warfares,
exploitations, and bad deeds. And, I see almost zero recognition of this
fact by most Indians (you are an exception) who post here.
I'm serious. Period.
Appreciation of world history depends on how open one is to meeting peoples
from around the world, and getting to really know them. That is why I like
the US melting pot, esp. the western coast, where there are so many
ethnicities, ideas (good and bad), ...
Fine, I am happy to hear _one_ Indian who can say something nice about the
USA. Can you name any other Indian on these NGs who has had anything nice
to say about the USA?

See below for more...
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More below.
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and I have no
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beef with him. He is wrong about lots of things about the US, but
those are his opinions, and as such he cops enough flack from you, Old
Poof, Rajah. Why would/should "Myself" add to this?
No matter to me. I can "dust off" Kamal without any problems, all by
myself. Kamal is still living in the "flat earth society" type of world.
Fine.
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Well over a year ago, when 'Real Indian' was posting under the nick 'father',
He posted under lots of names.
I know that too.
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the old poof talked down to me about several things - Hindus
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should be eternally grateful to the Brits for having bestowed the
'boon' of English on the unwashed, and that Indians (maybe it was
Hindus) were no better than monkeys in being able to push the button,
all this while posturing as a 'pundit' of the English language, and
someone with inborn 'genius' when it came to 'theoretical physics' (I
was a bit off on the 'astrophysics' thing). You think I am going to
let and old poof and his poor language skills get away? No way! I am
yet to be dazzled by this idiot's skills in 'theoretical physics' too.
Third-rate code hack probably wrote a couple of lines of code around
problem formulations of genuine physicists, and hopes that some of the
accomplishments of others rub off on the old 'chop shop' poof.
Well, as far as I'm concerned, Indians who came to the US and got good
jobs did not learn their english here. They got it from somewhere else.
And, it did help them a lot. How many Indians are in China speaking
Chinese? How many other languages?
A vast majority of Indians here in the US are post-independence born
folks, and would have learned English from Indians in India, not Brits.
And, before that? When were the first Indians learning English? The
books say that the Brits started teaching English to Indians.
I don't really give a damn who taught Indians English, and I am not
interested in time travel - good to learn from once in a while, but
not good to be glued in forever. It is good, however, that Indians do
understand that English is the language of international business, and
do know how to use it to move forward.
Same with any and all other peoples who are not Americans/British/etc.,
who want to personally advance.
Yeah, so what? Right now the conversation is focused on Indians, and
arguments are best carried out within that confine. The constant enlarging
and shrinking the picture when convenient dilutes the argument.
Our biggest problem is Mexicans and Latin Americans from farther south.

The "argument" also includes other immigration problems, too. However,
immigration is not high on my list of problems. What is highest is China.
I have said this many times before.
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This is isn't anything wrong with that, at all. However, to
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expect that Indians should be forever grateful to the Brits for the
English language (and the railways in three gauges) is simply pipe dream.
In contrast to many Indians who _constantly_ bash the USA, USD, etc., I
can list many things about US society and "first world" standard of
living that are _good_. And, I think, down the road, more and more 3rd
world countries are going to see an evolution towards first world
standards. As much as energy resources, pollution, and climat change
will have to be dealt with, Indians (as well as other 3rd worlders) will
see more cars, improved food, water, education, etc., in the future.
However, most of them, too, will ignore and forget where it all came from.
The human memory is amazingly short when it comes to successes. Some things
are taken for granted, no? Now if one were to do some real time travel,
you'll find that the Brits enjoyed tremendous success on the backs of 'third
worlders' that lots of people have contempt for. Looks like the Brits too
forgot where it all came from.
There are several "human memory" issues here. First is the imperialism
and colonialism that was organized on a large scale by several European
countries around 1500s AD. I am just finishing a book on this. Did you
know that there were severn "East India Companies"? From seven different
European countries (not just the Brits). Second, there were also another
50+ companies besides the "East India Company" and several of them were
organized for "the New Land" (i.e. America). Many more for places other
than India or America.

Third, lets look at some of the major conquests, before 1500 AD, which
were organized for to conquest, capture, and subjugation of the targets,
for the purpose of expanding the power and control of the conquerors and
this goes back from 1500 AD back to couple thousand BC, and in case your
own "human memory" is "amazingly short" maybe you will appreciate that
"the Brits" really did not exist back much before 500 AD +/-, so you'll
have to find some other demons to flay.

Fourth, lets look at the rise and fall of those imperialisms/colonialisms,
and consider that (almost) all empires had lifetimes of about 300 years.
Rise then fall. The history of how and why they always fell, or evolved
out of existence should be a phenomenon worth contemplating for any
lessons that our leaders, today, might use to benefit the maximum number
of people (rather than the minimum: the rich).

And, I am _NOT_ trying to "talk down" to you. Rather, offer you a slightly
modified way of looking at the whole picture of world history.

And, by the way, before 1776, before the USA became the USA, we were also
colonized by the Brits for 200+ years with the idea of the Brits
exploiting my ancestors, who were other descendants of the Brits, for
commercial gain. Oh...excuse me...my real ancestors came from other
European countries in the late 1800s. So, maybe that is why I don't feel
much enmity for the Brits.
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Heck, I
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would much rather see 'eternal gratitude' from the Brits for the
amount looted from India and rendering it an impoverished nation.
China started out with the same "impoverished" status, or worse. Look
where they are without Brits anywhere.
Sure, if one can carefully cultivate xenophobia, prevent looting of its
resources by 'first worlders' who think it is their birthright, close
borders, murder one's own people, control demographics, control every aspect
of one's society, and pretty much bully smaller nations, any nation could
move out of its 'impoverished' status.
Well, you sound like you're cultivating your own xenophobia for the Brits
into an extended xenophobia as a substitute for pre-1900 AD world power
ethics which made it a "cultural norm" that if you can "take" something
without much of a fight, then go ahead. Today, modern diplomacy, the U.N.,
and communication channel diplomacy, and organizatin of economic sanction
processes (eg. on Iran, N. Korea) by other power blocks (not one of my
areas of expertise, but this is going on right now) has replaced large
scale wars.

I have just read a book on the European Union and it is a fantastic story
of how Europeans have put together, over the last 50-60 years, some
imaginative and complex political and economic infrastructures to minimize
any chance of further wars between the member countries AND work for
cooperative and integrated economies. A good ending for at least a
thousand years of wars before that.

You look at the rest of the world history and wars were common,
everywhere. It might be right under your nose that the expansion of
business and trade may be the greatest positive change to end the sensless
killing of innocent people that was going on everywhere on large scales
going back from WW2 to the beginnings of recorded history.

And, that is the "positive" note before I go on...
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The Brits are your
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original 'cheats', 'thieves', and 'job stealers'.
Yeah, replaced by all the "new cheats" "new thieves" and "new job
stealers".
Who'll be replaced by even newer ones (perhaps the same old ones)... and the
cycle goes on and on.
I hope the cycle can be broken. Someday.

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most of the Indians here are not the 'impoverished and famine struck'
kind that the American mind likes to conjure up. Almost all of them
have indoor plumbing 'back home'. Old Poof, whose head is up his
hiney, might want to take note of this. There is a limit to the
patronizing crap that I'll put up with.
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Who is better? I don't recognize any "master race" or "superiority". I
have seen no proof or evidence.
There is no such thing as a 'master race'. Period. However, using Old
Poof and the nazi rat 'Hari Kumar' as yardsticks, there are certainly
superior humans.
I'll leave them for you to deal with. 'Hari Kumal' does a good job
showing Maharaj's shortcomings, errors, misrepresentations, propaganda.
Sorry if he irritates you on some other things.
This 'Hari Kumar' jihadi rat is as phony as the person he claims to
'correct.' This guy is not a mere irritation. To me, he personifies
'evil'. Behind all that pious cant and posturing lies a completely
dishonest untrustworthy son of a bitch, with an agenda to boot. He
might serve your purpose when it comes to phony doc, but you should
watch your back with this rat.
I will leave you and he to duel out for final decisions.
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Kamal has not crossed swords with me.
Kamal's problem is that some 5+ years ago he had to leave the US because
of some visa problem he never fully explained. He lost some money
because of this. He has been on a bad-mouthing, bashing,
disrespectful,
misrepresentation of history, and anti-white warpath ever since.
But, if he wants to just talk about USA problems, and distribute
sellective economic dogma, then I'll have to talk about India's problems
and Kamal's defects in his thinking (and by the way, I've seen many
articles in the media that the whole world is concerned about the cheap
Chinese currency screwing up everyone, including India...but you'll
never hear this from kamal since he wants to demonize the USA).
If he does, by gum, I'll take off the
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gloves with him too. I strongly believe that he has wrong notions
about the US, and many other things, but that is your problem, and one
that requires lots of patience.
I've had 5+ years of patience. Someday I may decide my
bird-watching and
squirrel-watching is more rewarding. My house is paid for, my retirement
resources are plenty, I have zero debt, and I'm not living near any
al-queda targets.
:-) :-) Good for you.
And, I'm paying more attention these days to news about the radical
Muslims, and all these guys they are catching with bomb-making, etc.
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However, like phony doc, he too is a lightning rod for India bash, right?
Yes. However, I do not hold anything against average Indians. Only
anti-US, anti-white, arrogant ones.
I am fine with that.
Good. Then we can be friends. :-)
Can be? We are friends.
Good. :-) (maybe with very minor differences of opinions.... :-\ )
However, I would get worried if I found anyone who agreed with me 100%.
Surely an indication that something is wrong.
Certainly - no one should have 100% agreement on anything with anybody. That
represents intellectual stasis. However, moronic hate-filled nazi monkeys
like Old Poof, and slimy nazis with hidden agendas like 'Hari Kumar' do not
belong in any group of humans.
Well, I have known Old Pif for maybe 15 years on one of these NGs. I think
he has had some bad experience(s) with Indians (some private email, I will
leave as private). I have my bad experiences with a number of non-Indians
and let me tell you that I would love to meet them in a dark alley
someday. >:-|
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I count on all people here, except a couple two nazi
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monkeys, as my friends. Yeah, that includes Romanise too. :-)
Romanise only wants to find wooden doll with the name "USA" on it so he
can kick it all day over US Pakistan policy over which I have no
control, and if he does not have the wooden doll, then kick "American
Mongrel" and "Paki Stooge" (i.e. me) or "ISI Agent" (also me) all day, too.
May you and Romanise enjoy each other's company without me.
I most certainly will, without anyone's approval too. :-)
Fine.
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There are several "human memory" issues here. First is the imperialism
and colonialism that was organized on a large scale by several European
countries around 1500s AD. I am just finishing a book on this. Did you
know that there were severn "East India Companies"? From seven different
European countries (not just the Brits). Second, there were also another
50+ companies besides the "East India Company" and several of them were
organized for "the New Land" (i.e. America). Many more for places other
than India or America.
I am aware of Portuguese, Dutch, French, and British East India
companies (in increasing order or longevity, looting and mayhem). What
are the other three? Perhaps some Scandinavian ones? Anyways, these
'trading companies' were essentially a band of thieves financed by their
corresponding royal houses, and did have a history of crossing swords
with each other too. Tsk, tsk, no honor amongst thieves.
Post by Me, ...again!
Third, lets look at some of the major conquests, before 1500 AD, which
were organized for to conquest, capture, and subjugation of the targets,
for the purpose of expanding the power and control of the conquerors and
this goes back from 1500 AD back to couple thousand BC, and in case your
own "human memory" is "amazingly short" maybe you will appreciate that
"the Brits" really did not exist back much before 500 AD +/-, so you'll
have to find some other demons to flay.
Heh, India too did not exist as a single political entity during that
time too. I am good enough with any 'memory' that stretches back to the
Industrial Revolution and Darwinism. Beyond that it is pointless
discussing any 'history' - a lot of it is simply inflated accounts of
victors. The Industrial Revolution is what shaped the world that we know
today, and its ills lie in rampant capitalism, and its equally evil
cousin - communism. Both are not life-affirming, human-oriented
ideologies. Then you have medieval baboonism of desert dwellers. Ugh!
Post by Me, ...again!
Fourth, lets look at the rise and fall of those
imperialisms/colonialisms, and consider that (almost) all empires had
lifetimes of about 300 years. Rise then fall. The history of how and why
they always fell, or evolved out of existence should be a phenomenon
worth contemplating for any lessons that our leaders, today, might use
to benefit the maximum number of people (rather than the minimum: the
rich).
I do understand the cyclical nature of history, but Santayana rules,
what? :-)
Post by Me, ...again!
And, I am _NOT_ trying to "talk down" to you. Rather, offer you a
slightly modified way of looking at the whole picture of world history.
Fine.
Post by Me, ...again!
And, by the way, before 1776, before the USA became the USA, we were
also colonized by the Brits for 200+ years with the idea of the Brits
exploiting my ancestors, who were other descendants of the Brits, for
commercial gain. Oh...excuse me...my real ancestors came from other
European countries in the late 1800s. So, maybe that is why I don't feel
much enmity for the Brits.
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Heck, I
would much rather see 'eternal gratitude' from the Brits for the
amount looted from India and rendering it an impoverished nation.
China started out with the same "impoverished" status, or worse. Look
where they are without Brits anywhere.
Sure, if one can carefully cultivate xenophobia, prevent looting of
its resources by 'first worlders' who think it is their birthright,
close borders, murder one's own people, control demographics, control
every aspect of one's society, and pretty much bully smaller nations,
any nation could move out of its 'impoverished' status.
Well, you sound like you're cultivating your own xenophobia for the
Brits into an extended xenophobia as a substitute for pre-1900 AD world
power ethics which made it a "cultural norm" that if you can "take"
something without much of a fight, then go ahead. Today, modern
diplomacy, the U.N., and communication channel diplomacy, and
organizatin of economic sanction processes (eg. on Iran, N. Korea) by
other power blocks (not one of my areas of expertise, but this is going
on right now) has replaced large scale wars.
Nope. I am not a xenophobe, but I do distrust the Brits - yeah, some of
these guys are not on the level, even today, long after the sun has set
on the empire. These guys are are ace manipulators and backroom dealers
with whatever little is left of the stuff looted, much like the UN is
manipulated by 5 'powers' (two of which, UK and France, cannot fight
their way out of a paper bag). If any wars are waged, it'll be by these
'powers', unless there is some change in the UN structure.
Post by Me, ...again!
I have just read a book on the European Union and it is a fantastic
story of how Europeans have put together, over the last 50-60 years,
some imaginative and complex political and economic infrastructures to
minimize any chance of further wars between the member countries AND
work for cooperative and integrated economies. A good ending for at
least a thousand years of wars before that.
Sure, the EU is a great idea for a continent that has waged the most
number of wars (amongst each other and across the world). However, as a
bloc, they look to eating the US's lunch too. :-)
Post by Me, ...again!
You look at the rest of the world history and wars were common,
everywhere. It might be right under your nose that the expansion of
business and trade may be the greatest positive change to end the
sensless killing of innocent people that was going on everywhere on
large scales going back from WW2 to the beginnings of recorded history.
Yeah, but trade is never fair. Instead of killing people physically,
trade will exterminate peoples/regions economically. :-)
Post by Me, ...again!
And, that is the "positive" note before I go on...
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
The Brits are your
original 'cheats', 'thieves', and 'job stealers'.
Yeah, replaced by all the "new cheats" "new thieves" and "new job
stealers".
Who'll be replaced by even newer ones (perhaps the same old ones)...
and the cycle goes on and on.
I hope the cycle can be broken. Someday.
Hope so too.
Post by Me, ...again!
More below...
Well, I have known Old Pif for maybe 15 years on one of these NGs. I
think he has had some bad experience(s) with Indians (some private
email, I will leave as private). I have my bad experiences with a number
of non-Indians and let me tell you that I would love to meet them in a
dark alley someday. >:-|
Heh, I hope to never run across vermin like Old Poof and Hari Kumar. A
lifetime of showers will not be sufficient to wash off the ickiness of
the close encounter with racist plague bags.
Me, ...again!
2010-09-04 11:17:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by Me, ...again!
There are several "human memory" issues here. First is the imperialism
and colonialism that was organized on a large scale by several European
countries around 1500s AD. I am just finishing a book on this. Did you
know that there were severn "East India Companies"? From seven different
European countries (not just the Brits). Second, there were also another
50+ companies besides the "East India Company" and several of them were
organized for "the New Land" (i.e. America). Many more for places other
than India or America.
I am aware of Portuguese, Dutch, French, and British East India companies (in
increasing order or longevity, looting and mayhem). What are the other three?
Perhaps some Scandinavian ones? Anyways, these 'trading companies' were
essentially a band of thieves financed by their corresponding royal houses,
and did have a history of crossing swords with each other too. Tsk, tsk, no
honor amongst thieves.
Very much in parallel with modern day corporations, and now we have
soverien wealth funds all set up to do the same thing. Somewhere along the
way, morals and ethics got forgotten.
Post by Me, ...again!
Third, lets look at some of the major conquests, before 1500 AD, which
were organized for to conquest, capture, and subjugation of the targets,
for the purpose of expanding the power and control of the conquerors and
this goes back from 1500 AD back to couple thousand BC, and in case your
own "human memory" is "amazingly short" maybe you will appreciate that
"the Brits" really did not exist back much before 500 AD +/-, so you'll
have to find some other demons to flay.
Heh, India too did not exist as a single political entity during that time
too. I am good enough with any 'memory' that stretches back to the Industrial
Revolution and Darwinism. Beyond that it is pointless discussing any
'history' - a lot of it is simply inflated accounts of victors.
I have a number of books, complete with maps and pretty good
documentation, too, showing the expansions of empires, and dates of areas
of conquests. As I continue to read and find relevant writings, still show
what is a common paradigm of the expansion-contraction cycles. New empires
formed and expanded and then some 250-300 years later (the usual cycle
time) fell into decay. There were a few exceptions, though.

The
Industrial Revolution is what shaped the world that we know today, and its
ills lie in rampant capitalism, and its equally evil cousin - communism. Both
are not life-affirming, human-oriented ideologies. Then you have medieval
baboonism of desert dwellers. Ugh!
Well, I don't disagree much with that. At least I can say positive things
if we reduce the number of wars, and we have central heating in our houses
in the winter, air conditioning in the summer, enough food, and medical
services, ...and many other _good_ things.
Post by Me, ...again!
Fourth, lets look at the rise and fall of those
imperialisms/colonialisms, and consider that (almost) all empires had
lifetimes of about 300 years. Rise then fall. The history of how and why
they always fell, or evolved out of existence should be a phenomenon
worth contemplating for any lessons that our leaders, today, might use
to benefit the maximum number of people (rather than the minimum: the
rich).
I do understand the cyclical nature of history, but Santayana rules, what?
:-)
I'm just curious. Because when I was much younger, I had this idea we
would acheive civilization before I died. Big underestimate on my part.
Post by Me, ...again!
And, I am _NOT_ trying to "talk down" to you. Rather, offer you a
slightly modified way of looking at the whole picture of world history.
Fine.
Post by Me, ...again!
And, by the way, before 1776, before the USA became the USA, we were
also colonized by the Brits for 200+ years with the idea of the Brits
exploiting my ancestors, who were other descendants of the Brits, for
commercial gain. Oh...excuse me...my real ancestors came from other
European countries in the late 1800s. So, maybe that is why I don't feel
much enmity for the Brits.
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Heck, I
would much rather see 'eternal gratitude' from the Brits for the
amount looted from India and rendering it an impoverished nation.
China started out with the same "impoverished" status, or worse. Look
where they are without Brits anywhere.
Sure, if one can carefully cultivate xenophobia, prevent looting of
its resources by 'first worlders' who think it is their birthright,
close borders, murder one's own people, control demographics, control
every aspect of one's society, and pretty much bully smaller nations,
any nation could move out of its 'impoverished' status.
Well, you sound like you're cultivating your own xenophobia for the
Brits into an extended xenophobia as a substitute for pre-1900 AD world
power ethics which made it a "cultural norm" that if you can "take"
something without much of a fight, then go ahead. Today, modern
diplomacy, the U.N., and communication channel diplomacy, and
organizatin of economic sanction processes (eg. on Iran, N. Korea) by
other power blocks (not one of my areas of expertise, but this is going
on right now) has replaced large scale wars.
Nope. I am not a xenophobe, but I do distrust the Brits - yeah, some of these
guys are not on the level, even today, long after the sun has set on the
empire. These guys are are ace manipulators and backroom dealers with
whatever little is left of the stuff looted, much like the UN is manipulated
by 5 'powers' (two of which, UK and France, cannot fight their way out of a
paper bag). If any wars are waged, it'll be by these 'powers', unless there
is some change in the UN structure.
Well, I think you can find this among American CEOs, Chinese company top
guys, and even Japanese company top guys.

UN, and EU, are "starts" in some kind of communication and dispute
resolution process. Far from perfect, but better than nothing.

I am trying to be optimistic.
Post by Me, ...again!
I have just read a book on the European Union and it is a fantastic
story of how Europeans have put together, over the last 50-60 years,
some imaginative and complex political and economic infrastructures to
minimize any chance of further wars between the member countries AND
work for cooperative and integrated economies. A good ending for at
least a thousand years of wars before that.
Sure, the EU is a great idea for a continent that has waged the most number
of wars (amongst each other and across the world). However, as a bloc, they
look to eating the US's lunch too. :-)
Not nearly as bad as China.
Post by Me, ...again!
You look at the rest of the world history and wars were common,
everywhere. It might be right under your nose that the expansion of
business and trade may be the greatest positive change to end the
sensless killing of innocent people that was going on everywhere on
large scales going back from WW2 to the beginnings of recorded history.
Yeah, but trade is never fair. Instead of killing people physically, trade
will exterminate peoples/regions economically. :-)
Agreed, 200%. You didn't lie.
Post by Me, ...again!
And, that is the "positive" note before I go on...
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
The Brits are your
original 'cheats', 'thieves', and 'job stealers'.
Yeah, replaced by all the "new cheats" "new thieves" and "new job
stealers".
Who'll be replaced by even newer ones (perhaps the same old ones)...
and the cycle goes on and on.
I hope the cycle can be broken. Someday.
Hope so too.
Good.
Post by Me, ...again!
More below...
Well, I have known Old Pif for maybe 15 years on one of these NGs. I
think he has had some bad experience(s) with Indians (some private
email, I will leave as private). I have my bad experiences with a number
of non-Indians and let me tell you that I would love to meet them in a
dark alley someday. >:-|
Heh, I hope to never run across vermin like Old Poof and Hari Kumar. A
lifetime of showers will not be sufficient to wash off the ickiness of the
close encounter with racist plague bags.
Well, we all have our "friends" and "enemies". Best avoid the second, look
for the first.

Thanks,
Old Pif
2010-09-01 13:06:10 UTC
Permalink
On Sep 1, 12:57 am, "Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu"
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Old Poof. Like I said, Kamal has not crossed swords with me, and I have
no beef with him.
You, Continuously Tense Mallu, whatever it means, is a megalomaniac.
The only sword you have is that one between your legs. Which you may
cross but better knot it. Your overblown delusion about your self-
importance and well as about significance of your tribe is well beyond
the border of normality. What all kind of Nazi always are ...
Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
2010-09-02 05:09:08 UTC
Permalink
On Sep 1, 12:57 am, "Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu"
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Old Poof. Like I said, Kamal has not crossed swords with me, and I have
no beef with him.
You, Continuously Tense Mallu, whatever it means, is a megalomaniac.
The only sword you have is that one between your legs. Which you may
cross but better knot it. Your overblown delusion about your self-
importance and well as about significance of your tribe is well beyond
the border of normality. What all kind of Nazi always are ...
"You is" or "you are", halfwitted monkey? Hmm, the 'boon' seems to have
been taken back by the bestower, eh, moron?

Nice attempt at spouting gibberish, but alas, it'll remain gibberish,
trailer trash.

My tribe? It is interesting you should use the word tribe? The
collective noun for baboons, gibbons, and assorted other monkeys is
'tribe'. Unfortunately for you, silly monkey, I am as urbanized as they
come, and I do not belong to a tribe.

I suggest you take your 'writing' to a qualified English teacher,
because some of that rage is leading to incoherence in your sentences.
Maybe I am expecting (note present continuous tense :-)) too much from
nazi scum like you. Is there any other ethnicity, other than Indian, you
would like to gas, Adolf?
Old Pif
2010-09-02 12:59:13 UTC
Permalink
On Sep 2, 1:09 am, "Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu"
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
"You is" or "you are", halfwitted monkey? Hmm, the 'boon' seems to have
been taken back by the bestower, eh, moron?
It was deliberate. You are IT, that is why IS. Utmost disrespect for a
microbe emulating human speach.
Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
2010-09-03 04:16:39 UTC
Permalink
On Sep 2, 1:09 am, "Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu"
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
"You is" or "you are", halfwitted monkey? Hmm, the 'boon' seems to have
been taken back by the bestower, eh, moron?
It was deliberate. You are IT, that is why IS. Utmost disrespect for a
microbe emulating human speach.
Just luverly. Even if you wanted to imply that I was a 'microbe
emulating human speach [sic]', your original sentence with 'you is' is
still grammatically incorrect, stupid monkey. Incidentally, I don't
'speach' [sic] in my posts. However, I can, and I will, put enough venom
in my 'writing' (should that be 'riting', or 'righting', or 'wrighting',
halfwit?) for low-class dumbass motherfuckers like you. Working-class
skunk, looks like the 'boon' went bye bye in the boondocks where you
live. Dang, potted plants are smarter than you, stupid cavedweller.

Motherfucker, you think I am engaging a halfwitted nazi skunk like you
in a war of words to gain your respect, and do I really care for your
two-bit whiny existence? Hoo boy, what an inflated sense of self.
Sheesh, stupid piece of shit, you are getting a dose of your own inane
crap, in the crudest possible terms (in a language that your kind of
trailer trash understands). Did you think that you owned this newsgroup
that you could put forth your racist blather without getting your hiney
kicked? Fucking knuckledragger, like a 'textbook nazi' you've singled
out Indians as the target to direct your hate towards. Not nice. It'll
get you a new one ripped by me.
Old Pif
2010-08-30 22:24:33 UTC
Permalink
On Aug 30, 9:06 am, "Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu"
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Eeeeeew! Looks like the dyed-in-the-wool-astrophysicist Old Poof's
.......................................................................................................
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Sheesh, what a Paki.
When some have nothing to say on the subject they resort to all kind
of nonsenses.

Why astrophysicist? Why not say proctologist? Why Paki? You must be
Paki to question your superiority?
Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
2010-08-31 04:04:52 UTC
Permalink
On Aug 30, 9:06 am, "Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu"
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Eeeeeew! Looks like the dyed-in-the-wool-astrophysicist Old Poof's
.......................................................................................................
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Sheesh, what a Paki.
When some have nothing to say on the subject they resort to all kind
of nonsenses.
Nonsenses? Why the plural, halfwitted baboon? I guess the 'boon' of
English wasn't bestowed upon a working-class monkey like you.
Why astrophysicist? Why not say proctologist? Why Paki? You must be
Paki to question your superiority?
Astrophysics was an error on my part. It should have read 'theoretical
physics' - an area that you are an expert in, ostensibly. What with the
inborn 'genius' and all. Only monkeys push buttons, remember? Go back to
Feb/March of 2009 and you'll know what I mean, dumbshit.

A proctologist is one who would consider you to be a 'dream' - you're
the perfect asshole.

Oh, I use the term Paki loosely - mostly for humans that I mildly
dislike. I might even use Saudi Barbarian in lieu of Paki. In your case,
I'll happily downgrade your status further to 'baboon.'

Guess what? You have to be human to get to my level of superiority,
low-class monkey.

The next time you want to have a bash about Hindus and Indians, think
twice, ill-bred git. Now bugger off, old poof.
Old Pif
2010-08-31 11:00:04 UTC
Permalink
On Aug 31, 12:04 am, "Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu"
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Only monkeys push buttons, remember? Go back to
Feb/March of 2009 and you'll know what I mean, dumbshit.
I am delighted that with all my poor language abilities I have been
able to send the message across. And you got it such that you remember
it for 2 years already. And hopefully will remember it for the rest of
your useless life. Now you know exactly who you are and that explains
the reaction. Which is good. That was the intent.
Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
2010-09-01 04:57:13 UTC
Permalink
On Aug 31, 12:04 am, "Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu"
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Only monkeys push buttons, remember? Go back to
Feb/March of 2009 and you'll know what I mean, dumbshit.
I am delighted that with all my poor language abilities I have been
able to send the message across. And you got it such that you remember
it for 2 years already. And hopefully will remember it for the rest of
your useless life. Now you know exactly who you are and that explains
the reaction. Which is good. That was the intent.
Delighted, bleeding baboon? You've yet to demonstrate your 'superior
skills', nay, 'inborn genius' in the field of theoretical physics.
Stupid political animal, and a racist one too, your brains are denser
than lead, but your skin appears quite thin.

Jobless fucking baboon, your life has not been particularly useful on
this planet. Your kind is meant to leech off the social welfare system.
Stick that where the sun don't shine, nazi halfwit.
h***@indero.com
2010-08-31 14:49:30 UTC
Permalink
"Guess what? You have to be human to get to my level of superiority,"

Just who are you trying to persuade, yourself or readers?

Is in fact your ethnic group inferior? How can we know? Does anyone
who claims as you do really think differently because of great self
doubt and poor self image?

Have a nice pot of tea and chill out, if you are superior will show in
your character and not your ethnic label about yourself.

"Superior" is earned not inherited. Now show us by the level of your
discourse what you have and we can judge for ourselves.
Me, ...again!
2010-08-31 15:05:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by h***@indero.com
"Guess what? You have to be human to get to my level of superiority,"
Just who are you trying to persuade, yourself or readers?
Is in fact your ethnic group inferior? How can we know? Does anyone
who claims as you do really think differently because of great self
doubt and poor self image?
Have a nice pot of tea and chill out, if you are superior will show in
your character and not your ethnic label about yourself.
"Superior" is earned not inherited. Now show us by the level of your
discourse what you have and we can judge for ourselves.
I don't know who Mr. Kumar is talking about, but I found the following
post, not authored by me, very interesting. And, I'm not taking sides,
either.

Just reposting some interesting observations by -- I think -- a
non-white-non-westerner.....

------------

From ***@gmail.com Tue Apr 27 05:05:55 2010

Hindi and Hindian Arrogance Test our Patience

Thanjai Nalankilli

TAMIL TRIBUNE, April 2010


OUTLINE

1. Hindi Arrogance

2. Accept the Hindi Birth Certificate Or Else

3. Celebrate North Indian Festivals Or Else

4. Serve North Indian Food Or Else

5. Do Not Make Railway Reservations in Tamil Or Else

6. English Masters Went Out and Hindi Masters Came In

ABBREVIATIONS

CPRS - Computerized Passenger Reservation System

MRTS - Mass Rapid Transit System

DEFINITIONS

Hindian: People whose mother tongue is Hindi (similar to Tamil
speakers are sometimes referred as Tamilans or Tamilians).

1. Hindi Arrogance

We used hear reports of some Hindi tourists and business people who
come to Tamil Nadu attempting to speak with local restaurant, hotel
and transportation employees in Hindi, and when these employees do not
understand Hindi they grudgingly converse in English and then walk
away murmuring insults about "stupid Masrasis not understanding Hindi"
or "anti-national Madrasis refusing to talk in the national language".
Although we were irritated about it, we tolerated this arrogant
behavior. [(1) Madrasis is what some North Indians call Tamils even
today because Tamil Nadu was called Madras State over four decades
ago. (2) Indian constitution does not call Hindi the national
language; Hindi is declared the official language, and Tamils oppose
it.]

During the past decade more and more Hindi speakers came to Tamil Nadu
to work in Information Technology companies (IT Companies), factories
and construction projects. Even after living in Tamil Nadu for years,
many of them did not learn Tamil and continue to attempt to use Hindi
and if it fails use English with, may be, a few words of Tamil mixed
in. This is different from the behavior of other language groups, be
it Malayalam, Kannada, Telugu, Bengali or Punjabi, who never attempt
to conduct social and business transactions in their languages.
Initially they use English but soon they learn enough Tamil for daily
use. Hindian behavior and attitude is different. Local Tamil people
bit their tongue and tolerated this behavior. Hindian behavior has now
reached a level that tests our patience.

2. Accept the Hindi Birth Certificate Or Else

A man from Rajasthan State (a Hindi-belt state), living in Tamil Nadu
State for 13 years, went to enroll his son at a school. When he
submitted his son's birth certificate in Hindi, the clerk asked him to
submit an English translation certified by a notary. Although getting
a notarized English translation is not difficult, the man refused to
submit an English translation. Instead of getting an English
translation, the man went to the school again and again and demanded
that they accept the Hindi translation and each time the school
refused. Then he complained to a "sympathetic" news reporter and NDTV
website published a report with the title "Chennai school takes anti-
Hindi stand" (NDTV website, Decemnber 12, 2008). See more details and
commentary in Reference 1.

3. Celebrate North Indian Festivals Or Else

A much more disturbing news was reported in several newspapers in
March 2009. Students from North Indian states (mostly Hindi belt
states) demanded that Holi festival be declared a holiday at Annamalai
University, Tamilnadu. When Vice-Chancellor Ramanathan refused, these
students engaged in violence damaging university property. Holi is a
north Indian holiday and is not declared a holiday in any of the four
southern states. This incidence again shows the arrogance of Hindians.
Does any northern university declare holiday for Tamil Nadu's Pongal
or Kerala's Onam? Our students do not protest. They observe the local
North Indian holidays and live within the cultural norms of that
region. Hindians, on the other hand, do not observe local culture but
demand their culture be observed in Tamil Nadu institutions. What
arrogance?

The Holi holiday protest is different from the North Indian student
violence that occurred later after a North Indian (Bihar) student
Gautam Kumar died in a traffic accident. North Indian students, not
the South Indian students, demanded that Annamalai University declare
a holiday to mourn Gautam Kumar's death. Of course, the Vice-
Chancellor refused. Students do die in accidents in any university and
universities do not declare holidays to mourn them. North Indian
students attacked the vice-chancellor's house and then, according to
news reports, "went on a rampage". University was closed for several
days. You will notice a trend here. It is North Indian students,
joining together as a group, challenge university authority and go on
rampage. Local students as well as other South Indian students are not
participating. They lose valuable college days because colleges are
closed for days following the violence. Annamalai University is a well-
respected 80-year old institution. Only in the past few years have
large numbers of North Indian students come to study there.

4. Serve North Indian Food Or Else

Another incidence of North Indian students indulging in violence, this
time against Tamil students as well as college officials, occurred in
Hindustan Institute of Engineering Technology in Padur near Chennai,
Tamilnadu in November 2008. North Indian students beat up the hostel
warden complaining that food is of low quality. Tamil students said
that the food is all right and came to the rescue of the warden. "Bad
food" seems to be a code word for "South India food" for these North
Indian students. Otherwise how would you explain only the North Indian
students saying food is bad and Tamil students saying food is all
right? Once this north-south divide was raised, some North Indians
said that they object to using beef instead of chicken. Again Tamil
students said that the meat is chicken. Are Tamil students fools not
to be able to differentiate between beef and chicken? I also want to
point out that, like most North Indians, most Tamils do not eat beef.
So if the problem was beef, South Indian students would have objected
too.

5. Do Not Make Railway Reservations in Tamil Or Else

This arrogant and violent attitude goes beyond students. Even people
working in Indian government offices show their arrogance and contempt
for Tamil. In September 2009, a local Tamil woman Lakshmi went to
Computerized Passenger Reservation System (CPRS) Center at the
Tirumailai MRTS station and filled out the reservation form in Tamil.
The employee at the Senior Citizens Counter did not know Tamil and
asked her to explain each item in English. This woman, who had high
school education and knew English, did so. According to one news
report the non-Tamil employee lost his patience and flung the
reservation form at her. Another report said that as she was
explaining the form in English, the man noticed that she had the wrong
train number in the form and threw the form at her. Both these
newspaper reports agree that the non-Tamil railway employee asked her
to explain her reservation form in English and also that he flung the
form at her but only differ on the reason. When she said that she has
the right to fill the form in Tamil, two other non-Tamil employees
joined the first man and hurled insults at her in English. Seeing what
was happening a Tamil-speaking employee volunteered to make the
reservation; the three non-Tamil employees "picked up a quarrel with
him". According to the news, only two employees at that office knew
Tamil. [By the way, here is a bit of news. From 2009 onwards, you can
buy tickets in Tamil at London Underground Rail (called "the Tube").
Yet in Tamil Nadu, those who try to buy tickets in Tamil are
insulted.]

6. English Masters Went Out and Hindi Masters Came In

Railways and other Indian government offices have no requirement of
knowing the local language but every employee must be proficient in
Hindi. Seeing that they can work in Indian government offices anywhere
in India in their mother tongue, Hindians get arrogant, abuse local
people who do not know Hindi and expect that state government offices,
schools and businesses also use Hindi, observe their holidays and
serve their type of food.

Why are people who do not know Tamil appointed to central government
jobs requiring regular contact with local people? Should the local
people learn the language from a thousand miles away in order to deal
with government officials in their own area? Or, should those who come
to make a living here from a thousand miles away learn the local
language? Indian government's answer is "Tamil people should learn the
language a thousand miles away".

Is this fair? Is this just? Is all that happened at midnight of August
15, 1947 is, "English masters went out and Hindi masters came in"?
[NOTE: British rule over the Indian subcontinent ended on August 15,
1947.]

[All incidences discussed here are from English language newspapers
and could be verified.]

Thanjai Nalangkilli

http://www.tamiltribune.com/10/0401.html
Me, ...again!
2010-08-31 15:05:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by h***@indero.com
"Guess what? You have to be human to get to my level of superiority,"
Just who are you trying to persuade, yourself or readers?
Is in fact your ethnic group inferior? How can we know? Does anyone
who claims as you do really think differently because of great self
doubt and poor self image?
Have a nice pot of tea and chill out, if you are superior will show in
your character and not your ethnic label about yourself.
"Superior" is earned not inherited. Now show us by the level of your
discourse what you have and we can judge for ourselves.
I don't know who Mr. Kumar is talking about, but I found the following
post, not authored by me, very interesting. And, I'm not taking sides,
either.

Just reposting some interesting observations by -- I think -- a
non-white-non-westerner.....

------------

From ***@gmail.com Tue Apr 27 05:05:55 2010

Hindi and Hindian Arrogance Test our Patience

Thanjai Nalankilli

TAMIL TRIBUNE, April 2010


OUTLINE

1. Hindi Arrogance

2. Accept the Hindi Birth Certificate Or Else

3. Celebrate North Indian Festivals Or Else

4. Serve North Indian Food Or Else

5. Do Not Make Railway Reservations in Tamil Or Else

6. English Masters Went Out and Hindi Masters Came In

ABBREVIATIONS

CPRS - Computerized Passenger Reservation System

MRTS - Mass Rapid Transit System

DEFINITIONS

Hindian: People whose mother tongue is Hindi (similar to Tamil
speakers are sometimes referred as Tamilans or Tamilians).

1. Hindi Arrogance

We used hear reports of some Hindi tourists and business people who
come to Tamil Nadu attempting to speak with local restaurant, hotel
and transportation employees in Hindi, and when these employees do not
understand Hindi they grudgingly converse in English and then walk
away murmuring insults about "stupid Masrasis not understanding Hindi"
or "anti-national Madrasis refusing to talk in the national language".
Although we were irritated about it, we tolerated this arrogant
behavior. [(1) Madrasis is what some North Indians call Tamils even
today because Tamil Nadu was called Madras State over four decades
ago. (2) Indian constitution does not call Hindi the national
language; Hindi is declared the official language, and Tamils oppose
it.]

During the past decade more and more Hindi speakers came to Tamil Nadu
to work in Information Technology companies (IT Companies), factories
and construction projects. Even after living in Tamil Nadu for years,
many of them did not learn Tamil and continue to attempt to use Hindi
and if it fails use English with, may be, a few words of Tamil mixed
in. This is different from the behavior of other language groups, be
it Malayalam, Kannada, Telugu, Bengali or Punjabi, who never attempt
to conduct social and business transactions in their languages.
Initially they use English but soon they learn enough Tamil for daily
use. Hindian behavior and attitude is different. Local Tamil people
bit their tongue and tolerated this behavior. Hindian behavior has now
reached a level that tests our patience.

2. Accept the Hindi Birth Certificate Or Else

A man from Rajasthan State (a Hindi-belt state), living in Tamil Nadu
State for 13 years, went to enroll his son at a school. When he
submitted his son's birth certificate in Hindi, the clerk asked him to
submit an English translation certified by a notary. Although getting
a notarized English translation is not difficult, the man refused to
submit an English translation. Instead of getting an English
translation, the man went to the school again and again and demanded
that they accept the Hindi translation and each time the school
refused. Then he complained to a "sympathetic" news reporter and NDTV
website published a report with the title "Chennai school takes anti-
Hindi stand" (NDTV website, Decemnber 12, 2008). See more details and
commentary in Reference 1.

3. Celebrate North Indian Festivals Or Else

A much more disturbing news was reported in several newspapers in
March 2009. Students from North Indian states (mostly Hindi belt
states) demanded that Holi festival be declared a holiday at Annamalai
University, Tamilnadu. When Vice-Chancellor Ramanathan refused, these
students engaged in violence damaging university property. Holi is a
north Indian holiday and is not declared a holiday in any of the four
southern states. This incidence again shows the arrogance of Hindians.
Does any northern university declare holiday for Tamil Nadu's Pongal
or Kerala's Onam? Our students do not protest. They observe the local
North Indian holidays and live within the cultural norms of that
region. Hindians, on the other hand, do not observe local culture but
demand their culture be observed in Tamil Nadu institutions. What
arrogance?

The Holi holiday protest is different from the North Indian student
violence that occurred later after a North Indian (Bihar) student
Gautam Kumar died in a traffic accident. North Indian students, not
the South Indian students, demanded that Annamalai University declare
a holiday to mourn Gautam Kumar's death. Of course, the Vice-
Chancellor refused. Students do die in accidents in any university and
universities do not declare holidays to mourn them. North Indian
students attacked the vice-chancellor's house and then, according to
news reports, "went on a rampage". University was closed for several
days. You will notice a trend here. It is North Indian students,
joining together as a group, challenge university authority and go on
rampage. Local students as well as other South Indian students are not
participating. They lose valuable college days because colleges are
closed for days following the violence. Annamalai University is a well-
respected 80-year old institution. Only in the past few years have
large numbers of North Indian students come to study there.

4. Serve North Indian Food Or Else

Another incidence of North Indian students indulging in violence, this
time against Tamil students as well as college officials, occurred in
Hindustan Institute of Engineering Technology in Padur near Chennai,
Tamilnadu in November 2008. North Indian students beat up the hostel
warden complaining that food is of low quality. Tamil students said
that the food is all right and came to the rescue of the warden. "Bad
food" seems to be a code word for "South India food" for these North
Indian students. Otherwise how would you explain only the North Indian
students saying food is bad and Tamil students saying food is all
right? Once this north-south divide was raised, some North Indians
said that they object to using beef instead of chicken. Again Tamil
students said that the meat is chicken. Are Tamil students fools not
to be able to differentiate between beef and chicken? I also want to
point out that, like most North Indians, most Tamils do not eat beef.
So if the problem was beef, South Indian students would have objected
too.

5. Do Not Make Railway Reservations in Tamil Or Else

This arrogant and violent attitude goes beyond students. Even people
working in Indian government offices show their arrogance and contempt
for Tamil. In September 2009, a local Tamil woman Lakshmi went to
Computerized Passenger Reservation System (CPRS) Center at the
Tirumailai MRTS station and filled out the reservation form in Tamil.
The employee at the Senior Citizens Counter did not know Tamil and
asked her to explain each item in English. This woman, who had high
school education and knew English, did so. According to one news
report the non-Tamil employee lost his patience and flung the
reservation form at her. Another report said that as she was
explaining the form in English, the man noticed that she had the wrong
train number in the form and threw the form at her. Both these
newspaper reports agree that the non-Tamil railway employee asked her
to explain her reservation form in English and also that he flung the
form at her but only differ on the reason. When she said that she has
the right to fill the form in Tamil, two other non-Tamil employees
joined the first man and hurled insults at her in English. Seeing what
was happening a Tamil-speaking employee volunteered to make the
reservation; the three non-Tamil employees "picked up a quarrel with
him". According to the news, only two employees at that office knew
Tamil. [By the way, here is a bit of news. From 2009 onwards, you can
buy tickets in Tamil at London Underground Rail (called "the Tube").
Yet in Tamil Nadu, those who try to buy tickets in Tamil are
insulted.]

6. English Masters Went Out and Hindi Masters Came In

Railways and other Indian government offices have no requirement of
knowing the local language but every employee must be proficient in
Hindi. Seeing that they can work in Indian government offices anywhere
in India in their mother tongue, Hindians get arrogant, abuse local
people who do not know Hindi and expect that state government offices,
schools and businesses also use Hindi, observe their holidays and
serve their type of food.

Why are people who do not know Tamil appointed to central government
jobs requiring regular contact with local people? Should the local
people learn the language from a thousand miles away in order to deal
with government officials in their own area? Or, should those who come
to make a living here from a thousand miles away learn the local
language? Indian government's answer is "Tamil people should learn the
language a thousand miles away".

Is this fair? Is this just? Is all that happened at midnight of August
15, 1947 is, "English masters went out and Hindi masters came in"?
[NOTE: British rule over the Indian subcontinent ended on August 15,
1947.]

[All incidences discussed here are from English language newspapers
and could be verified.]

Thanjai Nalangkilli

http://www.tamiltribune.com/10/0401.html
Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
2010-09-01 04:57:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by h***@indero.com
"Guess what? You have to be human to get to my level of superiority,"
Just who are you trying to persuade, yourself or readers?
Is in fact your ethnic group inferior? How can we know? Does anyone
who claims as you do really think differently because of great self
doubt and poor self image?
Have a nice pot of tea and chill out, if you are superior will show in
your character and not your ethnic label about yourself.
"Superior" is earned not inherited. Now show us by the level of your
discourse what you have and we can judge for ourselves.
Halfwitted nazi rat jihadi, I don't recall soliciting your two goddamn
cents in this conversation. Dishonest son of a bitch, I am absolutely
superior to a lying fucking nazi like you. You are no better than
footwear, and I'll treat you as such, bloody fraud.

Bloody rich for you to bring up character, evil nazi rat jihadi. You've
got character? And save me (note the goddamn first person singular,
bloody moron) the pretentious, self-righteous bleating about ethnic
labels, fucking creep. Dirty dishonest low-class bastard, I have not
seen even an iota of character and honesty in your selective cut and
paste crap. Phony doc provides a convenient cover for you to snipe, and
insinuate Hindus are nazis. Motherfucker, I will not let you get away
with that. Stop trying to pose as something superior, fucking rat.

What is the level of your 'discourse', dishonest monkey? You cut and
paste crap without as much as an opinion or an editorial comment - your
pathetic one-line drivel does not count as an opinion. Most of your
posts are in reaction to phony doc, or some sort of underhanded sleazy
attempt to paint other 'labels' as dirty, all the while taking on this
'holy' persona. Nazi rat, let me see you write a whole paragraph that is
not a reaction to someone else's posts, or that does not involve cut and
paste assist.

Dirty little rat, you are about as low as sleazoids get. Now go drink
some of that nazi Kool-Aid - rat's nest tea or some such.

You got some attention you crave for, halfwitted moron. Thank your lucky
stars, and butt the hell out of this 'conversation.' Dig?
h***@indero.com
2010-09-01 18:31:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by h***@indero.com
"Guess what? You have to be human to get to my level of superiority,"
Just who are you trying to persuade, yourself or readers?
Is in fact your ethnic group inferior? How can we know? Does anyone
who claims as you do really think differently because of great self
doubt and poor self image?
Have a nice pot of tea and chill out, if you are superior will show in
your character and not your ethnic label about yourself.
"Superior" is earned not inherited. Now show us by the level of your
discourse what you have and we can judge for ourselves.
"Halfwitted nazi rat jihadi, I don't recall soliciting your two goddamn
cents in this conversation. Dishonest son of a bitch, I am absolutely
superior to a lying fucking nazi like you. You are no better than
footwear, and I'll treat you as such, bloody fraud."

Smile, yes indeed, character will show. It seems you do in your heart
of hearts think yourself inferior.

Looking forward to exploring your level of character and spiritual
enlightenment with you. We can explore just how "superior" on this
basis you are exactly. In past the mirror held up for you has not been
to your likeing nor comfort.

May this day find you in peace.
As in many cases, I become involved in a thread because someone attacks
another person, in this case on the basis of the curse of labels and the
disease of mind it engenders.
Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
2010-09-02 05:09:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by h***@indero.com
Post by h***@indero.com
"Guess what? You have to be human to get to my level of superiority,"
Just who are you trying to persuade, yourself or readers?
Is in fact your ethnic group inferior? How can we know? Does anyone
who claims as you do really think differently because of great self
doubt and poor self image?
Have a nice pot of tea and chill out, if you are superior will show in
your character and not your ethnic label about yourself.
"Superior" is earned not inherited. Now show us by the level of your
discourse what you have and we can judge for ourselves.
"Halfwitted nazi rat jihadi, I don't recall soliciting your two goddamn
cents in this conversation. Dishonest son of a bitch, I am absolutely
superior to a lying fucking nazi like you. You are no better than
footwear, and I'll treat you as such, bloody fraud."
Smile, yes indeed, character will show. It seems you do in your heart
of hearts think yourself inferior.
Nope. I do not think of myself as inferior to anybody. However, I will
add that I do consider myself to be way beyond superior to a cowardly,
self-righteous, nazi bastard like you.
Post by h***@indero.com
Looking forward to exploring your level of character and spiritual
enlightenment with you. We can explore just how "superior" on this
basis you are exactly. In past the mirror held up for you has not been
to your likeing nor comfort.
The day you show me one honest bone in your body, will I reveal my level
of spiritual enlightenment. Dig, gibbering gibbon? Now go dig some more
on the Hinduism-Nazism connexion, snivelling fucking nazi worm.
Post by h***@indero.com
May this day find you in peace.
As in many cases, I become involved in a thread because someone attacks
another person, in this case on the basis of the curse of labels and the
disease of mind it engenders.
Take your curse of labels and stick it deep where the sun don't shine,
fucking idiot. Some concepts are just too 'complex' for you to handle -
you simply don't have the brains for it.

You've had your turn at bat. Go find another host, bloody vermin.
h***@indero.com
2010-09-02 12:18:54 UTC
Permalink
Post by h***@indero.com
Post by h***@indero.com
"Guess what? You have to be human to get to my level of
superiority,"
Post by h***@indero.com
Post by h***@indero.com
"Superior" is earned not inherited. Now show us by the level of your
discourse what you have and we can judge for ourselves.
Looking forward to exploring your level of character and spiritual
enlightenment with you. We can explore just how "superior" on this
basis you are exactly. In past the mirror held up for you has not been
to your likeing nor comfort.
"The day you show me one honest bone in your body, will I reveal my
level of spiritual enlightenment. Dig, gibbering gibbon? Now go dig some
more on the Hinduism-Nazism connexion, snivelling fucking nazi worm."

Little character seen yet, optimistic still.

If I did not exist, the question of your character remains, it does not
depend on me but for you to display.

Why do you think there is a nazi hindu connection? I don't see it.
Post by h***@indero.com
As in many cases, I become involved in a thread because someone attacks
another person, in this case on the basis of the curse of labels and the
disease of mind it engenders.
"Take your curse of labels and stick it deep where the sun don't shine,
fucking idiot. Some concepts are just too 'complex' for you to handle -
you simply don't have the brains for it. You've had your turn at bat. Go
find another host, bloody vermin."

Continued display of the disease of labels. Like a great diseased red
festering infected wound, we first expose it and then lance it so the
poisin can drain.

Such is the case of the disease of labels which infect some minds.

May this day find you at peace.
Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
2010-09-03 09:05:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by h***@indero.com
Post by h***@indero.com
Post by h***@indero.com
"Guess what? You have to be human to get to my level of
superiority,"
Post by h***@indero.com
Post by h***@indero.com
"Superior" is earned not inherited. Now show us by the level of your
discourse what you have and we can judge for ourselves.
Looking forward to exploring your level of character and spiritual
enlightenment with you. We can explore just how "superior" on this
basis you are exactly. In past the mirror held up for you has not
been
Post by h***@indero.com
to your likeing nor comfort.
"The day you show me one honest bone in your body, will I reveal my
level of spiritual enlightenment. Dig, gibbering gibbon? Now go dig some
more on the Hinduism-Nazism connexion, snivelling fucking nazi worm."
Little character seen yet, optimistic still.
If I did not exist, the question of your character remains, it does not
depend on me but for you to display.
Then why post here at all, goddamn fraud, if you are of little
consequence? Like I said, you display as much as an ounce of honesty,
you'll see character. Until then, fucking nazi rat, you'll be treated
like footwear. Now go discover your 'character', fucking rat.
Post by h***@indero.com
Why do you think there is a nazi hindu connection? I don't see it.
Neither do I, motherfucker. However, after a little trickery with some
selective cut and paste a few weeks ago, you did insinuate as much. All
the protestations after the fact do not amount to much. Good try at
spin, or maybe the rat's nest tea that you sip induced pangs of conscience.
Post by h***@indero.com
Post by h***@indero.com
As in many cases, I become involved in a thread because someone
attacks
Post by h***@indero.com
another person, in this case on the basis of the curse of labels and
the
Post by h***@indero.com
disease of mind it engenders.
"Take your curse of labels and stick it deep where the sun don't shine,
fucking idiot. Some concepts are just too 'complex' for you to handle -
you simply don't have the brains for it. You've had your turn at bat. Go
find another host, bloody vermin."
Continued display of the disease of labels. Like a great diseased red
festering infected wound, we first expose it and then lance it so the
poisin can drain.
Is 'draining poisin [sic]' some sort of 'tribal wistum [sic]'?

Halfwitted frigging nazi rat, the only thing that is diseased here is
your fertile mind. Third-rate son of a bitch, for all the pious crap
about 'lebels' [sic], your rather clever selection of posts that point
to some perceived flaws about Hindus/Hinduism are a dead giveaway on
what fricking 'lebel' [sic] you're after. Cowardly son of a bitch, let
me see if you have the courage to cut and paste anything anti-jihadi
(somewhat likely), or anti-christian (very highly unlikely). Either bash
all 'lebels' [sic] equally or none at all. Let me also see how much you
really know about Hinduism too.
Post by h***@indero.com
Such is the case of the disease of labels which infect some minds.
The 'disseese' [sic] of 'lebels' [sic] has infected only your mind,
fucking rat.
Post by h***@indero.com
May this day find you at peace.
Oh, fuck you too!
Old Pif
2010-09-03 11:23:04 UTC
Permalink
On Sep 3, 5:05 am, "Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu"
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Why do you think there is a nazi hindu connection?  I don't see it.
Neither do I, motherfucker.
"hindu fascism" in Google: About 1,550,000 results (0.28 seconds)
DMJoshi
2010-09-03 11:43:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by Old Pif
On Sep 3, 5:05 am, "Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu"
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Why do you think there is a nazi hindu connection?  I don't see it.
Neither do I, motherfucker.
"hindu fascism"  in Google: About 1,550,000 results (0.28 seconds)
You must have some special version of Google.
On mine "hindu fascism" gives About 12,300 results (0.12 seconds)
"american fascism" gives About 33,600 results (0.36 seconds)
Accepting these results on face value for every 81000 Hindus there is
one fascist, and for every 8900 Americans there is one fascist. Which
means for every one Hindu Fascist there are 9 Fascist Americans.
DMJoshi
2010-09-03 11:47:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Old Pif
On Sep 3, 5:05 am, "Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu"
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Why do you think there is a nazi hindu connection?  I don't see it.
Neither do I, motherfucker.
"hindu fascism"  in Google: About 1,550,000 results (0.28 seconds)
You must have some special version of Google.
On mine "hindu fascism" gives About 12,300 results (0.12 seconds)
"american fascism" gives About 33,600 results (0.36 seconds)
Accepting these results on face value for every 81000 Hindus there is
one fascist, and for every 8900 Americans there is one fascist. Which
means for every one Hindu Fascist there are 9 Fascist Americans.
American fascism: by political definition the US is now fascist, not a
constitutional republic.
Right?
Me, ...again!
2010-09-03 13:54:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by DMJoshi
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Old Pif
On Sep 3, 5:05 am, "Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu"
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Why do you think there is a nazi hindu connection?  I don't see it.
Neither do I, motherfucker.
"hindu fascism"  in Google: About 1,550,000 results (0.28 seconds)
You must have some special version of Google.
On mine "hindu fascism" gives About 12,300 results (0.12 seconds)
"american fascism" gives About 33,600 results (0.36 seconds)
Accepting these results on face value for every 81000 Hindus there is
one fascist, and for every 8900 Americans there is one fascist. Which
means for every one Hindu Fascist there are 9 Fascist Americans.
American fascism: by political definition the US is now fascist, not a
constitutional republic.
Right?
I prefer to call it a plutocracy.
h***@indero.com
2010-09-03 14:20:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by DMJoshi
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Why do you think there is a nazi hindu connection? =A0I don't see
it.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Neither do I, motherfucker.
"hindu fascism" =A0in Google: About 1,550,000 results (0.28 seconds)
You must have some special version of Google.
On mine "hindu fascism" gives About 12,300 results (0.12 seconds)
The difference is the use of quoatation marks. Google treats anything
within them as a specific set to search for and they must appear in that
exact form. Remove them and the other number results. In any case,
there is no wholesale thing to be said about any connection between the
two that is inherent in either. Some who advocated for radical
nationalism in s. asian politics admired it and those who used it in
many respects.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by DMJoshi
"american fascism" gives About 33,600 results (0.36 seconds)
Accepting these results on face value for every 81000 Hindus there is
one fascist, and for every 8900 Americans there is one fascist. Which
means for every one Hindu Fascist there are 9 Fascist Americans.
American fascism: by political definition the US is now fascist, not a
constitutional republic.
Right?
"I prefer to call it a plutocracy."

I agree with you in large part.
DMJoshi
2010-09-03 19:01:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by DMJoshi
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Why do you think there is a nazi hindu connection? =A0I don't see
it.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Neither do I, motherfucker.
"hindu fascism" =A0in Google: About 1,550,000 results (0.28 seconds)
You must have some special version of Google.
On mine "hindu fascism" gives About 12,300 results (0.12 seconds)
The difference is the use of quoatation marks.  Google treats anything
within them as a specific set to search for and they must appear in that
exact form.  Remove them and the other number results.  In any case,
there is no wholesale thing to be said about any connection between the
two that is inherent in either.  Some who advocated for radical
nationalism in s. asian politics admired it and those who used it in
many respects.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by DMJoshi
"american fascism" gives About 33,600 results (0.36 seconds)
Accepting these results on face value for every 81000 Hindus there is
one fascist, and for every 8900 Americans there is one fascist. Which
means for every one Hindu Fascist there are 9 Fascist Americans.
American fascism: by political definition the US is now fascist, not a
constitutional republic.
Right?
"I prefer to call it a plutocracy."
I agree with you in large part.
You will be duly rewarded for nodding, I suppose the vetic people do
it sideways.
Me, ...again!
2010-09-03 22:15:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by h***@indero.com
Post by DMJoshi
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Why do you think there is a nazi hindu connection? =A0I don't see
it.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Neither do I, motherfucker.
"hindu fascism" =A0in Google: About 1,550,000 results (0.28 seconds)
You must have some special version of Google.
On mine "hindu fascism" gives About 12,300 results (0.12 seconds)
The difference is the use of quoatation marks. Google treats anything
within them as a specific set to search for and they must appear in that
exact form. Remove them and the other number results. In any case,
there is no wholesale thing to be said about any connection between the
two that is inherent in either. Some who advocated for radical
nationalism in s. asian politics admired it and those who used it in
many respects.
And, we have right-wing, war-monger, money-grabbing US Nationalists, too,
who think US-anything should be imposed anywhere, everywhere in the world.
But, then, "Dr. Jai" will take that as an anti-American statement from me
instead of just the truth since every country, every politics, every
religion likes to think of itself as superior to all others and "we should
take over the world" (and proselytize itself).
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Post by DMJoshi
"american fascism" gives About 33,600 results (0.36 seconds)
Accepting these results on face value for every 81000 Hindus there is
one fascist, and for every 8900 Americans there is one fascist. Which
means for every one Hindu Fascist there are 9 Fascist Americans.
American fascism: by political definition the US is now fascist, not a
constitutional republic.
Right?
"I prefer to call it a plutocracy."
I agree with you in large part.
Well, maybe I will revise it to it is 98% plutocracy and 2% democracy.
Maybe a little bit better than kingdoms of medieval times and before.

Please pardon my cynicism just now. But, I will not make bets on where the
world will be in 100 years....maybe still end up radio-active dust,
chemically-polluted to death, no more anything left just overpopulated
with people(?).

Or....single economy, real civilization, another renaisance(?), peace,
prosperity and human rights for all(?).
Old Pif
2010-09-03 11:59:28 UTC
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Post by Old Pif
"hindu fascism"  in Google: About 1,550,000 results (0.28 seconds)
You must have some special version of Google.
On mine "hindu fascism" gives About 12,300 results (0.12 seconds)
Apparently the Hindu version of Google spares you embarrassment. How
nice of them!
Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
2010-09-04 05:05:04 UTC
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Post by DMJoshi
Post by Old Pif
"hindu fascism" in Google: About 1,550,000 results (0.28 seconds)
You must have some special version of Google.
On mine "hindu fascism" gives About 12,300 results (0.12 seconds)
Apparently the Hindu version of Google spares you embarrassment. How
nice of them!
For a stupid nazi dumbfuck who supposedly 'does not take sides in an
ethnic quarrel' and considers everybody else 'nazis and racist,' you
certainly discovered a 'hindu version' of Google. What is that, Old Poof?
Me, ...again!
2010-09-03 13:59:43 UTC
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Post by Old Pif
On Sep 3, 5:05 am, "Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu"
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Why do you think there is a nazi hindu connection?  I don't see it.
Neither do I, motherfucker.
"hindu fascism"  in Google: About 1,550,000 results (0.28 seconds)
You must have some special version of Google.
On mine "hindu fascism" gives About 12,300 results (0.12 seconds)
"american fascism" gives About 33,600 results (0.36 seconds)
Accepting these results on face value for every 81000 Hindus there is
one fascist, and for every 8900 Americans there is one fascist. Which
means for every one Hindu Fascist there are 9 Fascist Americans.
Here is _my_ google search from about two years ago.

It looks like some quotes come from Indian websites, too.

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Indian Maoist: Resolution Against Hindu FascismThe main vehicle of the Hindu fascist onslaught
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2010-09-03 14:37:16 UTC
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On Sep 3, 5:05 am, "Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu"
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Why do you think there is a nazi hindu connection?  I don't see it.
Neither do I, motherfucker.
"hindu fascism"  in Google: About 1,550,000 results (0.28 seconds)
You must have some special version of Google.
On mine "hindu fascism" gives About 12,300 results (0.12 seconds)
"american fascism" gives About 33,600 results (0.36 seconds)
Accepting these results on face value for every 81000 Hindus there is
one fascist, and for every 8900 Americans there is one fascist. Which
means for every one Hindu Fascist there are 9 Fascist Americans.
Here is _my_ google search from about two years ago.
It looks like some quotes come from Indian websites, too.
Have you paid any attention to American Imperialism, Fascism, etc?
Or for that you will go into your trance of focusing on Sati?
Post by Me, ...again!
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Indian Maoist: Resolution Against Hindu FascismThe main vehicle of the Hindu fascist onslaught
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etc. ...
indianmaoist.blogspot.com/2007/ 03/resolution-against-hindu-fascism.html - 63k - Cached -
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INDIA'S 'AMEN CORNER'You might think that the term "Hindu-fascism" is as much an
overstatement as its antipode, "Islamo-fascism," which we have heard so much about lately from
...www.antiwar.com/justin/j010402.html- 51k - Cached - Similar pages
Fascism's Firm Footprint in IndiaHindu fascists regard them as legitimate prey. The lynch mob
continues to be the arbiter of the routine affairs of daily life: who can live where, ...www.thenation.com/doc/20020930/roy- 35k - Cached - Similar pages
Hindu fascism and christian imperialism - New faces of Hitlerian ...Hindu fascism and christian
imperialism - New faces of Hitlerian  Politics   Hindutva for fascism and christianity for
imperialism ...
politics.propeller.com/story/2008/05/27/
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Neo-fascism and religion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaIdeological Development of Hindu
Revivalism. Rupa, Delhi 2001. Elst, Koenraad. "The Saffron Swastika. The Notion of 'Hindu
Fascism'. ...
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IndiaStar: Koenraad Elst, The Saffron Swastika The Notion of Hindu ...You could also liberally
use the terms "Hindu nationalists", "Hindu fundamentalists", and "Hindu Right" in your analysis of
the "Hindu fascists". ...www.indiastar.com/rameshrao.html- 33k - Cached - Similar pages
Panthic Weekly: Hindu Fascists Threaten to Terrorize Punjab over ...Hindu Fascists Threaten to
Terrorize Punjab over Baba Jarnail Singh's Portrait. Wednesday 5th of December 2007. Panthic
Weekly News Bureau ...www.panthic.org/news/125/ARTICLE/3724/2007-12-05.html- 52k - Cached - Similar pages
"Hindu fascism" and the BJP Government"Hindu fascism" and the BJP Government. Dr
Koenraad Elst. Numerous Western India-watchers, Delhi correspondents and other "experts"
have been warning for ...
koenraadelst.bharatvani.org/articles/fascism/bjp.html - 20k - Cached - Similar pages
Ferreting Out The Bible Of Hindu Fascism (Hindutwa) By I.K.ShuklaFeb 8, 2007 ... How
fanatically vicious Golwalkar was in laying down his version of Mein Kampf informs this major
handbook of Hindu fascism wherein he ...www.countercurrents.org/comm-shukla080207.htm- 21k - Cached - Similar pages
Communalism Watch: Dyeing India Saffron: Appeasing Hindu FascismThis political game will be
endless because the degenerate Hindu fascism has no project other than reversion to an imaginary
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Me, ...again!
2010-09-03 22:18:19 UTC
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Post by Me, ...again!
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Post by Old Pif
On Sep 3, 5:05 am, "Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu"
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Why do you think there is a nazi hindu connection?  I don't see it.
Neither do I, motherfucker.
"hindu fascism"  in Google: About 1,550,000 results (0.28 seconds)
You must have some special version of Google.
On mine "hindu fascism" gives About 12,300 results (0.12 seconds)
"american fascism" gives About 33,600 results (0.36 seconds)
Accepting these results on face value for every 81000 Hindus there is
one fascist, and for every 8900 Americans there is one fascist. Which
means for every one Hindu Fascist there are 9 Fascist Americans.
Here is _my_ google search from about two years ago.
It looks like some quotes come from Indian websites, too.
Have you paid any attention to American Imperialism, Fascism, etc?
Or for that you will go into your trance of focusing on Sati?
How come you only want to talk about bad things with my country and never
talk about good things from my country and refuse to talk about bad things
from your country?
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Me, ...again!
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  Web      Results 1 - 10 of about 916,000 for hindu fascists. (0.39 seconds)
Indian Maoist: Resolution Against Hindu FascismThe main vehicle of the Hindu fascist onslaught
has been the BJP-RSS combine with its storm trooper organisations like the VHP, Bajarang Dal,
etc. ...
indianmaoist.blogspot.com/2007/ 03/resolution-against-hindu-fascism.html - 63k - Cached -
Similar pages
INDIA'S 'AMEN CORNER'You might think that the term "Hindu-fascism" is as much an
overstatement as its antipode, "Islamo-fascism," which we have heard so much about lately from
...www.antiwar.com/justin/j010402.html- 51k - Cached - Similar pages
Fascism's Firm Footprint in IndiaHindu fascists regard them as legitimate prey. The lynch mob
continues to be the arbiter of the routine affairs of daily life: who can live where, ...www.thenation.com/doc/20020930/roy- 35k - Cached - Similar pages
Hindu fascism and christian imperialism - New faces of Hitlerian ...Hindu fascism and christian
imperialism - New faces of Hitlerian  Politics   Hindutva for fascism and christianity for
imperialism ...
politics.propeller.com/story/2008/05/27/
hindu-fascism-and-christian-imperialism-new-faces-of-hitlerian-nazism - 21k - Cached - Similar
pages
Neo-fascism and religion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaIdeological Development of Hindu
Revivalism. Rupa, Delhi 2001. Elst, Koenraad. "The Saffron Swastika. The Notion of 'Hindu
Fascism'. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-fascism_and_religion - 87k - Cached - Similar pages
IndiaStar: Koenraad Elst, The Saffron Swastika The Notion of Hindu ...You could also liberally
use the terms "Hindu nationalists", "Hindu fundamentalists", and "Hindu Right" in your analysis of
the "Hindu fascists". ...www.indiastar.com/rameshrao.html- 33k - Cached - Similar pages
Panthic Weekly: Hindu Fascists Threaten to Terrorize Punjab over ...Hindu Fascists Threaten to
Terrorize Punjab over Baba Jarnail Singh's Portrait. Wednesday 5th of December 2007. Panthic
Weekly News Bureau ...www.panthic.org/news/125/ARTICLE/3724/2007-12-05.html- 52k - Cached - Similar pages
"Hindu fascism" and the BJP Government"Hindu fascism" and the BJP Government. Dr
Koenraad Elst. Numerous Western India-watchers, Delhi correspondents and other "experts"
have been warning for ...
koenraadelst.bharatvani.org/articles/fascism/bjp.html - 20k - Cached - Similar pages
Ferreting Out The Bible Of Hindu Fascism (Hindutwa) By I.K.ShuklaFeb 8, 2007 ... How
fanatically vicious Golwalkar was in laying down his version of Mein Kampf informs this major
handbook of Hindu fascism wherein he ...www.countercurrents.org/comm-shukla080207.htm- 21k - Cached - Similar pages
Communalism Watch: Dyeing India Saffron: Appeasing Hindu FascismThis political game will be
endless because the degenerate Hindu fascism has no project other than reversion to an imaginary
past. ...
communalism.blogspot.com/2007/ 09/dyeing-india-saffron-appeasing-hindu.html - 106k - Cached
- Similar pages
DMJoshi
2010-09-04 07:04:21 UTC
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Post by DMJoshi
Post by Me, ...again!
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Old Pif
On Sep 3, 5:05 am, "Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu"
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Why do you think there is a nazi hindu connection?  I don't see it.
Neither do I, motherfucker.
"hindu fascism"  in Google: About 1,550,000 results (0.28 seconds)
You must have some special version of Google.
On mine "hindu fascism" gives About 12,300 results (0.12 seconds)
"american fascism" gives About 33,600 results (0.36 seconds)
Accepting these results on face value for every 81000 Hindus there is
one fascist, and for every 8900 Americans there is one fascist. Which
means for every one Hindu Fascist there are 9 Fascist Americans.
Here is _my_ google search from about two years ago.
It looks like some quotes come from Indian websites, too.
Have you paid any attention to American Imperialism, Fascism, etc?
Or for that you will go into your trance of focusing on Sati?
How come you only want to talk about bad things with my country and never
talk about good things from my country and refuse to talk about bad things
from your country?
I reserve it for Americans who get on soc.culture.Indian to defend
American acts that has not only harmed India but the whole world.
Me, ...again!
2010-09-04 12:04:38 UTC
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Post by DMJoshi
Post by Me, ...again!
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Me, ...again!
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Old Pif
On Sep 3, 5:05 am, "Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu"
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Why do you think there is a nazi hindu connection?  I don't see it.
Neither do I, motherfucker.
"hindu fascism"  in Google: About 1,550,000 results (0.28 seconds)
You must have some special version of Google.
On mine "hindu fascism" gives About 12,300 results (0.12 seconds)
"american fascism" gives About 33,600 results (0.36 seconds)
Accepting these results on face value for every 81000 Hindus there is
one fascist, and for every 8900 Americans there is one fascist. Which
means for every one Hindu Fascist there are 9 Fascist Americans.
Here is _my_ google search from about two years ago.
It looks like some quotes come from Indian websites, too.
Have you paid any attention to American Imperialism, Fascism, etc?
Or for that you will go into your trance of focusing on Sati?
How come you only want to talk about bad things with my country and never
talk about good things from my country and refuse to talk about bad things
from your country?
I reserve it for Americans who get on soc.culture.Indian to defend
American acts that has not only harmed India but the whole world.
Just as I thought: you are a basic hypocrit.
DMJoshi
2010-09-04 13:30:57 UTC
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Post by DMJoshi
Post by Me, ...again!
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Me, ...again!
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Old Pif
On Sep 3, 5:05 am, "Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu"
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Why do you think there is a nazi hindu connection?  I don't see it.
Neither do I, motherfucker.
"hindu fascism"  in Google: About 1,550,000 results (0.28 seconds)
You must have some special version of Google.
On mine "hindu fascism" gives About 12,300 results (0.12 seconds)
"american fascism" gives About 33,600 results (0.36 seconds)
Accepting these results on face value for every 81000 Hindus there is
one fascist, and for every 8900 Americans there is one fascist. Which
means for every one Hindu Fascist there are 9 Fascist Americans.
Here is _my_ google search from about two years ago.
It looks like some quotes come from Indian websites, too.
Have you paid any attention to American Imperialism, Fascism, etc?
Or for that you will go into your trance of focusing on Sati?
How come you only want to talk about bad things with my country and never
talk about good things from my country and refuse to talk about bad things
from your country?
I reserve it for Americans who get on soc.culture.Indian to defend
American acts that has not only harmed India but the whole world.
Just as I thought: you are a basic hypocrit.
What do you call yourself for bringing in Sati to defend American
killings all over the world to stop people wanting to live their lives
the way they want it?
h***@indero.com
2010-09-04 15:25:24 UTC
Permalink
"What do you call yourself for bringing in Sati to defend American
killings all over the world to stop people wanting to live their lives
the way they want it?"

Silly, who ever said this and used this as such an excuse. Seems more
like a silly excuse to exercise the curse of labels and bigotry toward
entire groups of people.
Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
2010-09-04 17:20:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by h***@indero.com
"What do you call yourself for bringing in Sati to defend American
killings all over the world to stop people wanting to live their lives
the way they want it?"
Silly, who ever said this and used this as such an excuse. Seems more
like a silly excuse to exercise the curse of labels and bigotry toward
entire groups of people.
Coherence, boy, coherence!! You don't have the chops to make any
profound observations here. You, and 'whoever' (not 'who ever') can make
those 'profound' observations to like-minded rats, while sipping rat's
nest tea in a rat's nest. Simply put, you don't belong in this
conversation. Start a new thread with your garbage, and spare some of us
your noxious claptrap, bloody charlatan. The 'curse of labels' garbage
is something your diseased mind conjured up. Peddle it elsewhere.
h***@indero.com
2010-09-04 18:24:20 UTC
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Post by h***@indero.com
"What do you call yourself for bringing in Sati to defend American
killings all over the world to stop people wanting to live their lives
the way they want it?"
Silly, who ever said this and used this as such an excuse. Seems more
like a silly excuse to exercise the curse of labels and bigotry toward
entire groups of people.
"Coherence, boy, coherence!! You don't have the chops to make any
profound observations here. You, and 'whoever' (not 'who ever') can make
those 'profound' observations to like-minded rats, while sipping rat's
nest tea in a rat's nest. Simply put, you don't belong in this
conversation. Start a new thread with your garbage, and spare some of us
your noxious claptrap, bloody charlatan. The 'curse of labels' garbage
is something your diseased mind conjured up. Peddle it elsewhere."

Happy to oblige, a new thread just for you. I use chop sticks quite
adroitly in fact. Chinese are always amazed at my skill with them as
though using them from childhood. If one thinks of it in fact, it
cann't be all that hard, millions of chinese children do it daily. How
about your chop skills?

Now getting back to the curse of labels and silly remarks and bigotry
and silly excuses made for them, please do go on.

Do you support the original silly assertion, you can start there.


Perhaps out of this a chance to show character will result.

May peace find you this day, and may you enjoy a soothing pot of tea of
your choice.
Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
2010-09-04 19:18:58 UTC
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Post by h***@indero.com
Post by h***@indero.com
"What do you call yourself for bringing in Sati to defend American
killings all over the world to stop people wanting to live their lives
the way they want it?"
Silly, who ever said this and used this as such an excuse. Seems more
like a silly excuse to exercise the curse of labels and bigotry toward
entire groups of people.
"Coherence, boy, coherence!! You don't have the chops to make any
profound observations here. You, and 'whoever' (not 'who ever') can make
those 'profound' observations to like-minded rats, while sipping rat's
nest tea in a rat's nest. Simply put, you don't belong in this
conversation. Start a new thread with your garbage, and spare some of us
your noxious claptrap, bloody charlatan. The 'curse of labels' garbage
is something your diseased mind conjured up. Peddle it elsewhere."
Happy to oblige, a new thread just for you. I use chop sticks quite
adroitly in fact. Chinese are always amazed at my skill with them as
though using them from childhood. If one thinks of it in fact, it
cann't be all that hard, millions of chinese children do it daily. How
about your chop skills?
No, fucking low-class skunk, a completely independent thread (title and
all) that you, and you alone, can wank in.

See if the Chinese can also dig your skills in skicking the sticks up
your hiney, dumbfuck.
Post by h***@indero.com
Now getting back to the curse of labels and silly remarks and bigotry
and silly excuses made for them, please do go on.
Do you support the original silly assertion, you can start there.
You existence is indeed a silly assertion. Now go find that honest bone
in your body, nazi vermin.
Post by h***@indero.com
Perhaps out of this a chance to show character will result.
Perhaps I'll watch you fly, dirty little oinker.
Post by h***@indero.com
May peace find you this day, and may you enjoy a soothing pot of tea of
your choice.
Fuck you too.
h***@indero.com
2010-09-04 19:46:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by h***@indero.com
Post by h***@indero.com
"What do you call yourself for bringing in Sati to defend American
killings all over the world to stop people wanting to live their lives
the way they want it?"
Silly, who ever said this and used this as such an excuse. Seems more
like a silly excuse to exercise the curse of labels and bigotry toward
entire groups of people.
"Coherence, boy, coherence!! You don't have the chops to make any
profound observations here. You, and 'whoever' (not 'who ever') can make
those 'profound' observations to like-minded rats, while sipping rat's
nest tea in a rat's nest. Simply put, you don't belong in this
conversation. Start a new thread with your garbage, and spare some of us
your noxious claptrap, bloody charlatan. The 'curse of labels' garbage
is something your diseased mind conjured up. Peddle it elsewhere."
Happy to oblige, a new thread just for you. I use chop sticks quite
adroitly in fact. Chinese are always amazed at my skill with them as
though using them from childhood. If one thinks of it in fact, it
cann't be all that hard, millions of chinese children do it daily.
How
Post by h***@indero.com
about your chop skills?
"No, fucking low-class skunk, a completely independent thread (title and
all) that you, and you alone, can wank in."

Then you do it, this thread is an obvious part of the original thread
about character. Maybe two threads will at last show us your character
material.

Is "low-class skunk" higher then the "superior" given yourself, equal,
or so far above as to be out of sight? Do all have to be so evaluated
for someone who is really unsure about his "superior" level?

"See if the Chinese can also dig your skills in skicking the sticks up
your hiney, dumbfuck."

Hmmm, is that a tai chi move? "Skicking" is unknown to me.
Post by h***@indero.com
Now getting back to the curse of labels and silly remarks and bigotry
and silly excuses made for them, please do go on.
Do you support the original silly assertion, you can start there.
"You existence is indeed a silly assertion. Now go find that honest bone
in your body, nazi vermin."

Hmmm, don't they have pills for such delusions about ""existence" and
confusion thereof?
Post by h***@indero.com
Perhaps out of this a chance to show character will result.
"Perhaps I'll watch you fly, dirty little oinker."

Hmmm, is it another delusion that sees people flying, without machines
one assumes?

"Fucking", did your mother teach you that? How many points on the
character scale does it measure?

Sad, no sign of character yet, hope reigns eternal, the optimist lives
longer, so we await events.
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May peace find you this day, and may you enjoy a soothing pot of tea of
your choice.
"Fuck you too."

Please, no discussion of personal sexual preference here. What happens
in the privacy of your bed room is not relevant.
Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
2010-09-05 03:03:41 UTC
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"What do you call yourself for bringing in Sati to defend American
killings all over the world to stop people wanting to live their
lives
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the way they want it?"
Silly, who ever said this and used this as such an excuse. Seems
more
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like a silly excuse to exercise the curse of labels and bigotry
toward
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entire groups of people.
"Coherence, boy, coherence!! You don't have the chops to make any
profound observations here. You, and 'whoever' (not 'who ever') can
make
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those 'profound' observations to like-minded rats, while sipping rat's
nest tea in a rat's nest. Simply put, you don't belong in this
conversation. Start a new thread with your garbage, and spare some of
us
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your noxious claptrap, bloody charlatan. The 'curse of labels' garbage
is something your diseased mind conjured up. Peddle it elsewhere."
Happy to oblige, a new thread just for you. I use chop sticks quite
adroitly in fact. Chinese are always amazed at my skill with them as
though using them from childhood. If one thinks of it in fact, it
cann't be all that hard, millions of chinese children do it daily.
How
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about your chop skills?
"No, fucking low-class skunk, a completely independent thread (title and
all) that you, and you alone, can wank in."
Then you do it, this thread is an obvious part of the original thread
about character. Maybe two threads will at last show us your character
material.
Don't have to - you oozed into the conversation uninvited.

Who is 'us'? You and the Old Poof? What a pair of deluded wankers.
Neither of you has any character (aside: wtf is character 'material'?)
Post by Me, ...again!
Is "low-class skunk" higher then the "superior" given yourself, equal,
or so far above as to be out of sight? Do all have to be so evaluated
for someone who is really unsure about his "superior" level?
"See if the Chinese can also dig your skills in skicking the sticks up
your hiney, dumbfuck."
Hmmm, is that a tai chi move? "Skicking" is unknown to me.
No, it is rat kung fu, and short for (chop) stick kicking. Dig?
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Now getting back to the curse of labels and silly remarks and bigotry
and silly excuses made for them, please do go on.
Do you support the original silly assertion, you can start there.
"You existence is indeed a silly assertion. Now go find that honest bone
in your body, nazi vermin."
Hmmm, don't they have pills for such delusions about ""existence" and
confusion thereof?
They don't? What meds are you on then?
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Perhaps out of this a chance to show character will result.
"Perhaps I'll watch you fly, dirty little oinker."
Hmmm, is it another delusion that sees people flying, without machines
one assumes?
Yeah, just as I thought - your language skills, esp. when it comes to
English, are non-existent. Switch to 'riting' [sic] in your non-vetic
[sic] 'middle eastern chinese' tongue. Use of related 'simple' seals
from 'complex cultures' is permitted.
Post by Me, ...again!
"Fucking", did your mother teach you that? How many points on the
character scale does it measure?
Sad, no sign of character yet, hope reigns eternal, the optimist lives
longer, so we await events.
Vermin shouldn't attempt to (mis)quote Pope (that is Alexander Pope, and
not the one whose ring you kiss). It is, 'hope springs eternal in the
human breast'. In your case, what 'reigns' eternal isn't hope, but a
visceral hatred for Hindus. Now go scurrying for the 'label' defense,
pus bag.
Post by Me, ...again!
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May peace find you this day, and may you enjoy a soothing pot of tea
of
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your choice.
"Fuck you too."
Please, no discussion of personal sexual preference here. What happens
in the privacy of your bed room is not relevant.
Neither am I interested in what you do in your seminary, skunk.
Me, ...again!
2010-09-04 12:11:17 UTC
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On Sep 3, 5:05 am, "Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu"
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Why do you think there is a nazi hindu connection?  I don't see it.
Neither do I, motherfucker.
"hindu fascism"  in Google: About 1,550,000 results (0.28 seconds)
You must have some special version of Google.
On mine "hindu fascism" gives About 12,300 results (0.12 seconds)
"american fascism" gives About 33,600 results (0.36 seconds)
Accepting these results on face value for every 81000 Hindus there is
one fascist, and for every 8900 Americans there is one fascist. Which
means for every one Hindu Fascist there are 9 Fascist Americans.
Here is _my_ google search from about two years ago.
It looks like some quotes come from Indian websites, too.
Have you paid any attention to American Imperialism, Fascism, etc?
Or for that you will go into your trance of focusing on Sati?
To shake you out of your trance of focusing on anti-Americanism, here read
this...

http://www.opendemocracy.net/democracy/article_1566.jsp

The political psychology of Hindu nationalism
Rajeev Bhargava
Why does Hindu nationalism take an aggressive, exclusive form? This is a question of psychology
as well as politics. Rajeev Bhargava, in New Delhi, examines the worldview of activists who use
`Indianness' as a weapon against their Muslim, Christian, and secular fellow-citizens.
5 - 11 - 2003

Hindu nationalists think of themselves as a large Indian joint family, a parivar. And perhaps rightly
so, for they are propelled by a family of closely-related ideas and, put together, all their networks
and organisations constitute an enormous right-wing platform, a massive arena that showcases all
known varieties of illiberalisms.

The movement brings together fundamentalists, traditionalists, anti-modernists, and right-wing
conservatives who covet a form of modernisation radically different from the one begun by
secular humanists such as Jawaharlal Nehru. Under its wings, there are proponents of
old-fashioned terrorism, authoritarianism and fascism packed closely together with those who
reluctantly submit to the constraints set by representative democracy. Present in the movement are
people with a rigidly hierarchical cast of mind who fail to shed their strong upper-caste leanings as
well as half-hearted egalitarians who, for strategic reasons, grudgingly include the lower castes
within their fold.

Among its many organisations is the avowedly culturalist Rashtriya Svayamsevak Sangh
[Association of National Volunteers (RSS)] whose members determinedly work deep in the
undergrowth of civil society. But the movement also has political organisations like the Bharatiya
Janata Party [Indian People's Party (BJP)] whose sole purpose is to capture state power, and is
affiliated to the religious Vishwa Hindu Parishad [World Hindu Organisation (VHP)]. Given these
different strands, its actions are bound to be octopus-like: each tentacle appears to move
independently and yet all come together to push the body in the desired direction.

It might be expected that a movement with such seemingly opposed tendencies would in the long
run have split, if not collapsed. This has not happened because four features cement all the various
groups:

* First, abiding and pervasive anti-liberalism.

* Second, repugnance for the left or to anything that even remotely smells of it.

* Third, commitment to a distinctive and exclusivist variant of nationalism. Hindu nationalists
aim to unite all those who are seen by them as part of the Hindu fold and to create (or, seen by
their own lights, to reinstate) a strong, disciplined nation of such united people: the Hindu
Rashtra.

* Fourth, and above all, relentless antipathy to Muslims, and to a lesser extent, to Christians
and to the secular-minded who desire equal citizenship for all Indians.

The pathology of `perverse comparison'

To explain why the Hindu nationalist movement took an extreme, largely negative, form centred
around xenophobic religious identities, it is important to understand the mindset of the earliest
protagonists of the movement. Like other anti-modern traditionalists, they were insecure and
vulnerable in a world that they could not call their own. But unlike them, they were cursed with
the need perversely to compare themselves with others.

It is of course true that identities are formed in relation to others, and that a constitutive link
exists between identity and recognition which forces a frequent comparison with others. But also
at play here is a pervasive pathology wherein people never perceive or understand themselves
unless a comparison is made with others. Perverse comparison in such cases is a precondition for
any self-understanding.

What is worse, these comparisons are mostly self-deprecating. A person can carry the crushing
weight of these negative feelings only up to a point, however. Insecure selves, constantly in search
of affirmation from others but burdened by over-dependence and low self-esteem, try to
overcome this unbearable tension.

They attempt an escape in three ways. First, by being envious, jealous, bitterly competitive and
eventually resentful of the very persons on whose affirmation they rely. They try to recover
self-esteem by interpreting their deprivation as caused not by their own disability but by the
actions of others, and by holding them responsible for their own failure. For them, envy and
resentment are the means by which equality and independence is reasserted.

Second, they project self-hatred outwards, on to others, whom they saddle with a range of wildly
exaggerated, negative qualities that function to justify this hatred. They manufacture a feeling of
superiority by conjuring up a relentless, comprehensive devaluation of the qualities of others and
by a cultivated blindness to any good they might possess.

Third, when hatred and impotence find no resolution, and negative emotions remain repressed,
without an outlet, a horrible embittering of the personality occurs [on these points, see Max
Scheler: On Feeling, Knowing, and Valuing, University of Chicago Press (1992), pp. 116 - 143].
This self-poisoning of the mind, precisely what Friedrich Nietzsche called ressentiment, is a
pronounced quality infusing the modern, xenophobic nationalist mentality and movement. Its
perversity brooks no rational arguments, nor any political alternatives.

A discourse of resentment

Once the other is essentialised and inferiorised, and a Manichean world of good and evil is
invented, a final manoeuvre to overcome negative feelings of acute inadequacy is sometimes
deployed. A supplementary discourse is created which begins by asking why a self-evidently
superior people with an infinitely superior civilisation have fallen into such bad times? Why do
people with poor moral qualities advance and why those with better moral fibre lag behind? Why
does victory fall easily in the lap of the mean-spirited and persons with high culture and noble
spirit become their victims?

Such questions are answered in two ways. First, by admitting that the logic of power and worldly
success is different from the high morality of world-transcending pursuits or even the simple
moral requirements of ordinary life; and second, by accepting that in the current context the
acquisition of negative qualities such as cunning and aggression, essential constituents of the
personality of others, is paramount and unavoidable.

Thus, the good and the virtuous, they claim, are forced to borrow from the victors precisely those
inferior qualities that they despise. To emulate the very people that are stigmatised is the pressing
need of our times, they say. Other than this, what option do the weak have if they are to prevent
evil from overrunning them? Resentful nationalism is constructed out of a discourse shaped by
this radically other-dependent, negative mindset ready for virulent counter-assertion.

The politicisation of this mindset leads inexorably to a militant strategy that invests heavily in the
construction of a pure culture, is sharply focused on a particular kind of narrow, hardened,
identity-formation and uses uncompromisingly belligerent techniques to build a national identity
grounded in the newly constructed and sanitised culture. It is in the logic of this thinking that
Hinduism acquires a primarily negative form and is ultimately reduced to nothing but a set of
anti-somethings.

For example, the first cow protection movement started at the end of the 19th century and sought
to unite all Hindus against the alleged barbarian practices of Muslims who were positioned as a
threat to the natural order of Hindu society. The cow, believed to be sacred by many, has long
been a symbol of upper-caste Hindu identity and is therefore invested with great potential for
mobilisation and political manipulation. However, the permanent subtext of such campaigns is
their anti-Muslim character because the Muslim population are assumed to be the only beef-eaters
and consequently a permanent body of cow-slaughterers.

Perverse comparison - feelings of inferiority, envy, resentment and negative stereotyping of the
other - continues to propel extreme Hindu nationalism today.

The politics of prejudice

Yet, against these powerful tendencies, it can appear that the basis of the persistent psychological
animus undergirding extreme Hindu nationalism has declined. After the partition of the country,
Muslims constitute only 11% of total population. Other minorities are much smaller. British
imperialism is present only in the traces it has left behind. The prestige of western culture has
declined considerably in direct proportion to the growth in self-confidence of Indian culture and
civilisation, something that was bound to happen after over half a century of democratic self-rule.

Comparisons with other cultures need yield feelings of inferiority and inadequacy no longer.
Upper-caste Hindus dominate all political institutions in independent India and are economically
and culturally powerful. Most of all, organisations that sustain Hindu nationalism have become
considerably stronger since the 1980s. The power and visibility of the RSS and its associates like
the VHP have grown. The BJP has gradually increased its voting strength against its main national
rival, the Indian National Congress, and currently leads the coalition in the capital, New Delhi.
Why then should the mindset typical of resentful, crippled and powerless people short on
self-confidence still be around? Why do many members of the majority in India feel and behave
like a persecuted minority?

Here, it appears that there is an instrumental but also dialectical relationship between
psychological need and political strategies. Hindu nationalists have been quick to discover that
their strategies do not merely fulfil pre-existing psychological needs, but help to resuscitate them
just when the need for them appears to be vanishing.

Earlier, the mindset created the strategies it needed. Now, these strategies rekindle the mindset in
turn - for instance, by reproducing the conditions that beget a minority-complex in the majority.
Thus, from being a predominantly personal or collective device to overcome the simmering
tension within the soul of a marginalised group, low on self-esteem, all the Hindu nationalist ploys
have become the central axis of a grand political strategy to seize total hegemony and power in
society.

Hindu nationalists now make a free, instrumental use of memory, emotion, prejudice, religious
difference and generalised deprivation to militantly advance their extremist agenda. They are
inventing a new anti-Muslim Hinduism, which helps them form a `vote bank' first to capture and
then to retain political power.
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2010-09-04 05:05:18 UTC
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Post by DMJoshi
On Sep 3, 5:05�am, "Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu"
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Why do you think there is a nazi hindu connection? �I don't see it.
Neither do I, motherfucker.
"hindu fascism" �in Google: About 1,550,000 results (0.28 seconds)
You must have some special version of Google.
On mine "hindu fascism" gives About 12,300 results (0.12 seconds)
"american fascism" gives About 33,600 results (0.36 seconds)
Accepting these results on face value for every 81000 Hindus there is
one fascist, and for every 8900 Americans there is one fascist. Which
means for every one Hindu Fascist there are 9 Fascist Americans.
Here is _my_ google search from about two years ago.
It looks like some quotes come from Indian websites, too.
Sure, and lots from sites with axes to grind too. :-)
Me, ...again!
2010-09-04 12:03:24 UTC
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On Sep 3, 5:05ï¿œam, "Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu"
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Why do you think there is a nazi hindu connection? ï¿œI don't see it.
Neither do I, motherfucker.
"hindu fascism" ï¿œin Google: About 1,550,000 results (0.28 seconds)
You must have some special version of Google.
On mine "hindu fascism" gives About 12,300 results (0.12 seconds)
"american fascism" gives About 33,600 results (0.36 seconds)
Accepting these results on face value for every 81000 Hindus there is
one fascist, and for every 8900 Americans there is one fascist. Which
means for every one Hindu Fascist there are 9 Fascist Americans.
Here is _my_ google search from about two years ago.
It looks like some quotes come from Indian websites, too.
Sure, and lots from sites with axes to grind too. :-)
Sure looks like plenty of complaints _from_ everyone and which are _aimed
at_ everyone else. ;-)
h***@indero.com
2010-09-04 15:29:36 UTC
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It looks like some quotes come from Indian websites, too.
"Sure, and lots from sites with axes to grind too. :-)"

An axe is not of itself wrong, some are quite keen of edgge to cut to
the core of a problem. A site should be judged on its own qualities, of
evidence and logic not on if one agrees with it or not.

Such too in using character as the measure of a person, not a self given
or inherented label.
Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
2010-09-04 17:20:26 UTC
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Post by Me, ...again!
It looks like some quotes come from Indian websites, too.
"Sure, and lots from sites with axes to grind too. :-)"
An axe is not of itself wrong, some are quite keen of edgge to cut to
the core of a problem. A site should be judged on its own qualities, of
evidence and logic not on if one agrees with it or not.
Whatever the above crap means. The sentences simply run on and on...
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Such too in using character as the measure of a person, not a self given
or inherented label.
Wtf is an 'inherented label', dumbfuck? Looks like you did not
'inherent' [sic] any language skills, eh, characterless vermin? Stop
drinking rat's nest tea. This noxious 'labeled' tea seems to be the
'axe', with an 'edgge' [sic] that has dulled your senses. Anymore of
this concoction, you'll lobotomize yourself halfwit.
h***@indero.com
2010-09-04 18:30:04 UTC
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Post by Me, ...again!
It looks like some quotes come from Indian websites, too.
"Sure, and lots from sites with axes to grind too. :-)"
An axe is not of itself wrong, some are quite keen of edgge to cut to
the core of a problem. A site should be judged on its own qualities, of
evidence and logic not on if one agrees with it or not.
"Whatever the above crap means. The sentences simply run on and on..."

So sorry, reading must not be your first language. I think the axe hit
the mark, now comes the squealing.
Post by h***@indero.com
Such too in using character as the measure of a person, not a self given
or inherented label.
"Wtf is an 'inherented label', dumbfuck? Looks like you did not
'inherent' [sic] any language skills, eh, characterless vermin? Stop
drinking rat's nest tea. This noxious 'labeled' tea seems to be the
'axe', with an 'edgge' [sic] that has dulled your senses. Anymore of
this concoction, you'll lobotomize yourself halfwit."

Yep, now comes the squealing indeed in spades. Following closely the
inevitable weighing of character.

"Fuck", did your mother teach you that?

May peace find you this day, and a pot of soothing tea to speed it
along.
Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
2010-09-04 19:15:12 UTC
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Post by Me, ...again!
It looks like some quotes come from Indian websites, too.
"Sure, and lots from sites with axes to grind too. :-)"
An axe is not of itself wrong, some are quite keen of edgge to cut to
the core of a problem. A site should be judged on its own qualities,
of
Post by h***@indero.com
evidence and logic not on if one agrees with it or not.
"Whatever the above crap means. The sentences simply run on and on..."
So sorry, reading must not be your first language. I think the axe hit
the mark, now comes the squealing.
Good try, motherfucker. Reading is a 'first language'? Whatever that
means. Vermin, writing, in most human languages, is a skill that you do
not possess. Maybe you should 'rite' [sic] in your own 'mother tongue'
(non-vetic [sic] is okay too) - English just isn't your cup of tea, nazi
pig.

Words of 'wistum' [sic] put forth by Bacon (not the crap that you eat,
but the human, Sir Francis): "Reading maketh a full man; conference a
ready man; and writing an exact man," is something you might want to
consider and convey to your kind of rat. Since you really dig Euro
'wistum' [sic], and any similar statement in any Indian language
(including Sanskrit) might result in your untimely demise (from
apoplexy), I thought I'd quote Sir Francis 'I am not a pork product'
Bacon for you. You might to 'rite' [sic] that down in Middle-Eastern
Chinese, or some such from 'complex cultures'.
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Such too in using character as the measure of a person, not a self
given
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or inherented label.
"Wtf is an 'inherented label', dumbfuck? Looks like you did not
'inherent' [sic] any language skills, eh, characterless vermin? Stop
drinking rat's nest tea. This noxious 'labeled' tea seems to be the
'axe', with an 'edgge' [sic] that has dulled your senses. Anymore of
this concoction, you'll lobotomize yourself halfwit."
Yep, now comes the squealing indeed in spades. Following closely the
inevitable weighing of character.
Nope. Motherfucker, you got nailed with your lies, and now you're so
desperately to oil out of a bad situation by trying to draw focus to
'character', 'squealing', and what not. The only one squealing like a
stuck pig is you. Hoo boy, I am getting a kick watching you squirm.

Third-rate oinker, I am dignifying your fucking pig like existence by
replying to your inanities with something commensurate. Thank your
'lucky stars' (you might want to consult an 'astrologer') that you got
some attention. Now, fuck off.
Post by h***@indero.com
"Fuck", did your mother teach you that?
May peace find you this day, and a pot of soothing tea to speed it
along.
Fuck you too.
h***@indero.com
2010-09-04 20:00:30 UTC
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"What do you call yourself for bringing in Sati to defend American
killings all over the world to stop people wanting to live their
lives
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the way they want it?"
Silly, who ever said this and used this as such an excuse. Seems
more
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like a silly excuse to exercise the curse of labels and bigotry
toward
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entire groups of people.
"Coherence, boy, coherence!! You don't have the chops to make any
profound observations here. You, and 'whoever' (not 'who ever') can
make
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those 'profound' observations to like-minded rats, while sipping rat's
nest tea in a rat's nest. Simply put, you don't belong in this
conversation. Start a new thread with your garbage, and spare some of
us
Post by h***@indero.com
your noxious claptrap, bloody charlatan. The 'curse of labels' garbage
is something your diseased mind conjured up. Peddle it elsewhere."
Happy to oblige, a new thread just for you. I use chop sticks quite
adroitly in fact. Chinese are always amazed at my skill with them as
though using them from childhood. If one thinks of it in fact, it
cann't be all that hard, millions of chinese children do it daily.
How
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about your chop skills?
No, fucking low-class skunk, a completely independent thread (title and
all) that you, and you alone, can wank in.

See if the Chinese can also dig your skills in skicking the sticks up
your hiney, dumbfuck.
Post by h***@indero.com
Now getting back to the curse of labels and silly remarks and bigotry
and silly excuses made for them, please do go on.
Do you support the original silly assertion, you can start there.
You existence is indeed a silly assertion. Now go find that honest bone
in your body, nazi vermin.
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Perhaps out of this a chance to show character will result.
Perhaps I'll watch you fly, dirty little oinker.
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May peace find you this day, and may you enjoy a soothing pot of tea
of
Post by h***@indero.com
your choice.
Fuck you too.
Post by h***@indero.com
Yep, now comes the squealing indeed in spades. Following closely the
inevitable weighing of character.
"Nope. Motherfucker, you got nailed with your lies, and now you're so
desperately to oil out of a bad situation by trying to draw focus to
'character', 'squealing', and what not. The only one squealing like a
stuck pig is you. Hoo boy, I am getting a kick watching you squirm."

Smile, lookingin the mirror are you? Enjoy seeing yourself, be my
guest.

"Lies", recall the nazi big lie tactic?

Character, indeed the very topic of this thread. It started with an
assertion on your part that you were "superior". While like the buddha
we observed that character is the only measure of ones status. Equally
that one earns it not assert nor inherent it.

I guess I too would be desperate to change the subject at this point. I
guess I too would want to blame the messenger at this point. Lots of
noise and hand waving, far less character seen.

"Third-rate oinker, I am dignifying your fucking pig like existence by
replying to your inanities with something commensurate. Thank your
'lucky stars' (you might want to consult an 'astrologer') that you got
some attention. Now, fuck off."

Sure, blame astrology for your situation, or excuse it, or explain it;
whichever provides the reason for being "superior". Do your stars give
us a clue to your character, or like the buddha it will be seen in what
you demonstrate?

"Third rate", there you go again, is that above or below your "superior"
level? You don't like pigs? They are very interesting animals in fact.
I thought you with your zollogical obsession would know this?
Post by h***@indero.com
"Fuck", did your mother teach you that?
May peace find you this day, and a pot of soothing tea to speed it
along.
"Fuck you too."

Now, no sexual come ons please.
P. Rajah
2010-09-04 02:21:19 UTC
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Post by DMJoshi
On Sep 3, 5:05 am, "Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu"
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Post by h***@indero.com
Why do you think there is a nazi hindu connection? I don't see it.
Neither do I, motherfucker.
"hindu fascism" in Google: About 1,550,000 results (0.28 seconds)
You must have some special version of Google.
On mine "hindu fascism" gives About 12,300 results (0.12 seconds)
"american fascism" gives About 33,600 results (0.36 seconds)
Accepting these results on face value for every 81000 Hindus there is
one fascist, and for every 8900 Americans there is one fascist. Which
means for every one Hindu Fascist there are 9 Fascist Americans.
Each Google search result is one individual fascist?
DMJoshi
2010-09-04 07:01:14 UTC
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Post by P. Rajah
Post by DMJoshi
On Sep 3, 5:05 am, "Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu"
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Why do you think there is a nazi hindu connection?  I don't see it.
Neither do I, motherfucker.
"hindu fascism"  in Google: About 1,550,000 results (0.28 seconds)
You must have some special version of Google.
On mine "hindu fascism" gives About 12,300 results (0.12 seconds)
"american fascism" gives About 33,600 results (0.36 seconds)
Accepting these results on face value for every 81000 Hindus there is
one fascist, and for every 8900 Americans there is one fascist. Which
means for every one Hindu Fascist there are 9 Fascist Americans.
Each Google search result is one individual fascist?
Perhaps you can pronounce the numbers that will make dried up poop and
streetdog (गलीका कुत्ता) your faster friends.
P. Rajah
2010-09-04 15:16:15 UTC
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Post by DMJoshi
Post by P. Rajah
Post by DMJoshi
On Sep 3, 5:05 am, "Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu"
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Post by h***@indero.com
Why do you think there is a nazi hindu connection? I don't see it.
Neither do I, motherfucker.
"hindu fascism" in Google: About 1,550,000 results (0.28 seconds)
You must have some special version of Google.
On mine "hindu fascism" gives About 12,300 results (0.12 seconds)
"american fascism" gives About 33,600 results (0.36 seconds)
Accepting these results on face value for every 81000 Hindus there is
one fascist, and for every 8900 Americans there is one fascist. Which
means for every one Hindu Fascist there are 9 Fascist Americans.
Each Google search result is one individual fascist?
Perhaps you can pronounce the numbers that will make dried up poop and
streetdog (गलीका कुत्ता) your faster friends.
I suggest that you find out what Google search results actually mean,
rather than put your own dumb simpleton spin on it to reinforce your
relentless anti-Americanism.
DMJoshi
2010-09-04 15:35:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by P. Rajah
Post by DMJoshi
Post by P. Rajah
Post by DMJoshi
On Sep 3, 5:05 am, "Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu"
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Why do you think there is a nazi hindu connection?  I don't see it.
Neither do I, motherfucker.
"hindu fascism"  in Google: About 1,550,000 results (0.28 seconds)
You must have some special version of Google.
On mine "hindu fascism" gives About 12,300 results (0.12 seconds)
"american fascism" gives About 33,600 results (0.36 seconds)
Accepting these results on face value for every 81000 Hindus there is
one fascist, and for every 8900 Americans there is one fascist. Which
means for every one Hindu Fascist there are 9 Fascist Americans.
Each Google search result is one individual fascist?
Perhaps you can pronounce the numbers that will make dried up poop and
streetdog (गलीका कुत्ता) your faster friends.
I suggest that you find out what Google search results actually mean,
rather than put your own dumb simpleton spin on it to reinforce your
relentless anti-Americanism.
Have you ever asked such a question to the dried up poop and the गलीका
कुत्ता what the numbers of their search results mean?
P. Rajah
2010-09-04 16:40:21 UTC
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Post by DMJoshi
Post by P. Rajah
Post by DMJoshi
Post by P. Rajah
Post by DMJoshi
On Sep 3, 5:05 am, "Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu"
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Post by h***@indero.com
Why do you think there is a nazi hindu connection? I don't see it.
Neither do I, motherfucker.
"hindu fascism" in Google: About 1,550,000 results (0.28 seconds)
You must have some special version of Google.
On mine "hindu fascism" gives About 12,300 results (0.12 seconds)
"american fascism" gives About 33,600 results (0.36 seconds)
Accepting these results on face value for every 81000 Hindus there is
one fascist, and for every 8900 Americans there is one fascist. Which
means for every one Hindu Fascist there are 9 Fascist Americans.
Each Google search result is one individual fascist?
Perhaps you can pronounce the numbers that will make dried up poop and
streetdog (गलीका कुत्ता) your faster friends.
I suggest that you find out what Google search results actually mean,
rather than put your own dumb simpleton spin on it to reinforce your
relentless anti-Americanism.
Have you ever asked such a question to the dried up poop and the गलीका
कुत्ता what the numbers of their search results mean?
They haven't interpolated the results the way you have. For your
edification, the results simply mean that there are that number of web
pages with references to your search terms. That number is influenced by
the numbers of sites referring to the topic of the query, regardless of
the number of people worldwide who may or may not be
interested/influenced/affected by it. The logical thing to do is to dig
into the results and analyze the effectiveness of the arguments
contained therein, or the integrity of the claims and/or references they
contain(which you show a distinct inability to do), and base your
comments and remarks on such, rather than take it as some random "face
value" as you have done. You have a remarkable propensity to a knee-jerk
anti-Americanism which renders anything you have to say pretty much
worthless.

As far as your name-calling of Stray Dog/Art Sowers goes, has he called
you any names? His "sin", as far as you are concerned, is that he
actually took on the relentless America-bashers(your ilk) like Kamal,
"Real Indian", et al, and countered their arguments by forcing them to
look in the mirror.

Art Sowers verbalizes what many thinking people have come to realize,
that "globalization" is a long-term scheme to further fatten the already
obese coffers of the super-rich, regardless of the human cost. He also
is open about the fact that globalization is eating away at the standard
of living of Americans even as countries which benefit from
globalization engage in protectionism that locks out American goods and
services where they compete with local providers. I read an interview of
an American CEO/billionaire in BusinessWeek, in which the billionaire
remarks that after a certain stage, it's not the money but the power
that becomes the holy grail. In pursuit of that power, of course,
enormous additional profits accrue and thereby enormous power. That is
even more applicable to the trillionaires(yes, they exist) hidden from
the public consciousness, whose fingerprints are found everywhere if you
know what you are looking for.

You should take the time to inform yourself about the truth surrounding
globalization, which has been many, many decades in the planning, and
began to be implemented in earnest in the early 70s with Nixon,
Kissinger, George H. W. Bush, et al, and their overtures to the Chicoms.

I cannot educate you on this in a thread on USENET. It requires that you
engage in extensive reading on the subject, which people like Art Sowers
have done, and it requires that you have an open mind so that you can
sift the truth out of the chaff.
DMJoshi
2010-09-04 19:07:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by P. Rajah
Post by DMJoshi
Have you ever asked such a question to the dried up poop and the गलीका
कुत्ता what the numbers of their search results mean?
They haven't interpolated the results the way you have.
What was the objective of their searches. Search results have been
brandied by the American Mongrel for long time now for
hindu wars attrocities gods, etc.
Did you ever raise a question what purpose those searches served?
Poof may have done it first time.
Post by P. Rajah
For your
edification, the results simply mean that there are that number of web
pages with references to your search terms. That number is influenced by
the numbers of sites referring to the topic of the query, regardless of
the number of people worldwide who may or may not be
interested/influenced/affected by it. The logical thing to do is to dig
into the results and analyze the effectiveness of the arguments
contained therein, or the integrity of the claims and/or references they
contain(which you show a distinct inability to do), and base your
comments and remarks on such, rather than take it as some random "face
value" as you have done. You have a remarkable propensity to a knee-jerk
anti-Americanism which renders anything you have to say pretty much
worthless.
As far as your name-calling of Stray Dog/Art Sowers goes, has he called
you any names?
I suppose you would like to be called PoS.
Of course I had to look up dictionary for it.
Post by P. Rajah
His "sin", as far as you are concerned, is that he
actually took on the relentless America-bashers(your ilk) like Kamal,
"Real Indian", et al, and countered their arguments by forcing them to
look in the mirror.
Art Sowers verbalizes what many thinking people have come to realize,
that "globalization" is a long-term scheme to further fatten the already
obese coffers of the super-rich, regardless of the human cost. He also
is open about the fact that globalization is eating away at the standard
of living of Americans even as countries which benefit from
globalization engage in protectionism that locks out American goods and
services where they compete with local providers. I read an interview of
an American CEO/billionaire in BusinessWeek, in which the billionaire
remarks that after a certain stage, it's not the money but the power
that becomes the holy grail. In pursuit of that power, of course,
enormous additional profits accrue and thereby enormous power. That is
even more applicable to the trillionaires(yes, they exist) hidden from
the public consciousness, whose fingerprints are found everywhere if you
know what you are looking for.
You should take the time to inform yourself about the truth surrounding
globalization, which has been many, many decades in the planning, and
began to be implemented in earnest in the early 70s with Nixon,
Kissinger, George H. W. Bush, et al, and their overtures to the Chicoms.
I cannot educate you on this in a thread on USENET. It requires that you
engage in extensive reading on the subject, which people like Art Sowers
have done, and it requires that you have an open mind so that you can
sift the truth out of the chaff.
P. Rajah
2010-09-05 06:53:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by DMJoshi
Post by P. Rajah
Post by DMJoshi
Have you ever asked such a question to the dried up poop and the गलीका
कुत्ता what the numbers of their search results mean?
They haven't interpolated the results the way you have.
What was the objective of their searches. Search results have been
brandied by the American Mongrel for long time now for
hindu wars attrocities gods, etc.
Did you ever raise a question what purpose those searches served?
Poof may have done it first time.
I didn't question the purpose of your search either. Rather, I
questioned the (erroneous)way in which you judged the results.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by P. Rajah
For your
edification, the results simply mean that there are that number of web
pages with references to your search terms. That number is influenced by
the numbers of sites referring to the topic of the query, regardless of
the number of people worldwide who may or may not be
interested/influenced/affected by it. The logical thing to do is to dig
into the results and analyze the effectiveness of the arguments
contained therein, or the integrity of the claims and/or references they
contain(which you show a distinct inability to do), and base your
comments and remarks on such, rather than take it as some random "face
value" as you have done. You have a remarkable propensity to a knee-jerk
anti-Americanism which renders anything you have to say pretty much
worthless.
As far as your name-calling of Stray Dog/Art Sowers goes, has he called
you any names?
I suppose you would like to be called PoS.
Are you trying to be one? I notice that you removed the p.o.s.'s
"bonehead" newsgroup from the groups list, so you seem to have become a
fan of his, despite his having shit on you several times. You start on
me, and I will not take it lying down.
Post by DMJoshi
Of course I had to look up dictionary for it.
I'm not surprised. There is much that you are uninformed and
ill-informed about.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by P. Rajah
His "sin", as far as you are concerned, is that he
actually took on the relentless America-bashers(your ilk) like Kamal,
"Real Indian", et al, and countered their arguments by forcing them to
look in the mirror.
Art Sowers verbalizes what many thinking people have come to realize,
that "globalization" is a long-term scheme to further fatten the already
obese coffers of the super-rich, regardless of the human cost. He also
is open about the fact that globalization is eating away at the standard
of living of Americans even as countries which benefit from
globalization engage in protectionism that locks out American goods and
services where they compete with local providers. I read an interview of
an American CEO/billionaire in BusinessWeek, in which the billionaire
remarks that after a certain stage, it's not the money but the power
that becomes the holy grail. In pursuit of that power, of course,
enormous additional profits accrue and thereby enormous power. That is
even more applicable to the trillionaires(yes, they exist) hidden from
the public consciousness, whose fingerprints are found everywhere if you
know what you are looking for.
You should take the time to inform yourself about the truth surrounding
globalization, which has been many, many decades in the planning, and
began to be implemented in earnest in the early 70s with Nixon,
Kissinger, George H. W. Bush, et al, and their overtures to the Chicoms.
I cannot educate you on this in a thread on USENET. It requires that you
engage in extensive reading on the subject, which people like Art Sowers
have done, and it requires that you have an open mind so that you can
sift the truth out of the chaff.
DMJoshi
2010-09-05 07:13:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by P. Rajah
Post by DMJoshi
Post by P. Rajah
Post by DMJoshi
Have you ever asked such a question to the dried up poop and the गलीका
कुत्ता what the numbers of their search results mean?
They haven't interpolated the results the way you have.
What was the objective of their searches. Search results have been
brandied by the American Mongrel for long time now for
hindu wars attrocities gods, etc.
Did you ever raise a question what purpose those searches served?
Poof may have done it first time.
I didn't question the purpose of your search either. Rather, I
questioned the (erroneous)way in which you judged the results.
I am sure you would have questioned the purpose of such a search
result had I put it here. So have a go at it.

"Indian imperialism" About 9,500 results (0.21 seconds)
"American imperialism" About 260,000 results (0.25 seconds)
Post by P. Rajah
Post by DMJoshi
Post by P. Rajah
For your
edification, the results simply mean that there are that number of web
pages with references to your search terms. That number is influenced by
the numbers of sites referring to the topic of the query, regardless of
the number of people worldwide who may or may not be
interested/influenced/affected by it. The logical thing to do is to dig
into the results and analyze the effectiveness of the arguments
contained therein, or the integrity of the claims and/or references they
contain(which you show a distinct inability to do), and base your
comments and remarks on such, rather than take it as some random "face
value" as you have done. You have a remarkable propensity to a knee-jerk
anti-Americanism which renders anything you have to say pretty much
worthless.
As far as your name-calling of Stray Dog/Art Sowers goes, has he called
you any names?
I suppose you would like to be called PoS.
Are you trying to be one?
I am calling you one for you labouring to offer your back side to fuck
to all American street dogs.
Post by P. Rajah
I notice that you removed the p.o.s.'s
"bonehead" newsgroup from the groups list, so you seem to have become a
fan of his, despite his having shit on you several times. You start on
me, and I will not take it lying down.
jDoc does post occasionally something that is worth noticing.
Post by P. Rajah
Post by DMJoshi
Of course I had to look up dictionary for it.
I'm not surprised. There is much that you are uninformed and
ill-informed about.
I am sure that gives a bit of relief from your constant fear of
persecution.
P. Rajah
2010-09-05 07:42:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by DMJoshi
Post by P. Rajah
Post by DMJoshi
Post by P. Rajah
Post by DMJoshi
Have you ever asked such a question to the dried up poop and the गलीका
कुत्ता what the numbers of their search results mean?
They haven't interpolated the results the way you have.
What was the objective of their searches. Search results have been
brandied by the American Mongrel for long time now for
hindu wars attrocities gods, etc.
Did you ever raise a question what purpose those searches served?
Poof may have done it first time.
I didn't question the purpose of your search either. Rather, I
questioned the (erroneous)way in which you judged the results.
I am sure you would have questioned the purpose of such a search
result had I put it here. So have a go at it.
You don't answer questions, and you have an oblique way of asking your
questions. I don't give a flying fuck what your purpose is, because it
is plain for all to see.
Post by DMJoshi
"Indian imperialism" About 9,500 results (0.21 seconds)
"American imperialism" About 260,000 results (0.25 seconds)
Post by P. Rajah
Post by DMJoshi
Post by P. Rajah
For your
edification, the results simply mean that there are that number of web
pages with references to your search terms. That number is influenced by
the numbers of sites referring to the topic of the query, regardless of
the number of people worldwide who may or may not be
interested/influenced/affected by it. The logical thing to do is to dig
into the results and analyze the effectiveness of the arguments
contained therein, or the integrity of the claims and/or references they
contain(which you show a distinct inability to do), and base your
comments and remarks on such, rather than take it as some random "face
value" as you have done. You have a remarkable propensity to a knee-jerk
anti-Americanism which renders anything you have to say pretty much
worthless.
As far as your name-calling of Stray Dog/Art Sowers goes, has he called
you any names?
I suppose you would like to be called PoS.
Are you trying to be one?
I am calling you one for you labouring to offer your back side to fuck
to all American street dogs.
For an old man with one foot in the grave, you have an unseemly
propensity to filthy insinuations. After Jay Stevens Maharaj insulted
you over and over again, _you_ are the one lending your asshole to him.
Now why don't you go and do what you do best, leer at the young women at
the bus stops?
Post by DMJoshi
Post by P. Rajah
I notice that you removed the p.o.s.'s
"bonehead" newsgroup from the groups list, so you seem to have become a
fan of his, despite his having shit on you several times. You start on
me, and I will not take it lying down.
jDoc does post occasionally something that is worth noticing.
And nobody else does? Art Sowers posts things that are worth far more,
and so do most others.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by P. Rajah
Post by DMJoshi
Of course I had to look up dictionary for it.
I'm not surprised. There is much that you are uninformed and
ill-informed about.
I am sure that gives a bit of relief from your constant fear of
persecution.
You are quite possibly one of the most idiotic, unintelligent ass-wipes
on USENET, on a level with Mad Sudhan and his ilk. Take the remaining
time you have on this earth and have someone teach you how to comprehend
written English and to write intelligibly, before you spout off again
about persecution.

Me, ...again!
2010-09-04 12:41:22 UTC
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Post by P. Rajah
Post by DMJoshi
On Sep 3, 5:05 am, "Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu"
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Post by h***@indero.com
Why do you think there is a nazi hindu connection? I don't see it.
Neither do I, motherfucker.
"hindu fascism" in Google: About 1,550,000 results (0.28 seconds)
You must have some special version of Google.
On mine "hindu fascism" gives About 12,300 results (0.12 seconds)
"american fascism" gives About 33,600 results (0.36 seconds)
Accepting these results on face value for every 81000 Hindus there is
one fascist, and for every 8900 Americans there is one fascist. Which
means for every one Hindu Fascist there are 9 Fascist Americans.
Each Google search result is one individual fascist?
First, Romanise makes an assumption about who has a special version of
Google. Not even asking in a serious way where is truth.

Second, he takes some numbers from Google and uses arithmetic--before
explaining any more assumptions that would be needed--to come up with a
ratio of 9:1 American Fascists to Hindu Fascists.

I am not surprised since he, Romanise, elevates himself onto high
pedestals, and lowers America, Americans, and anything/everything America
does....into the cesspool.

But, I am surprised that he just did not say that all Americans are
fascists, so no need to do arithmetic. It would save him a lot of work.
And, save him a lot more thinking.
h***@indero.com
2010-09-04 15:22:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by P. Rajah
Post by DMJoshi
On mine "hindu fascism" gives About 12,300 results (0.12 seconds)
"american fascism" gives About 33,600 results (0.36 seconds)
Accepting these results on face value for every 81000 Hindus there is
one fascist, and for every 8900 Americans there is one fascist. Which
means for every one Hindu Fascist there are 9 Fascist Americans.
Each Google search result is one individual fascist?
"First, Romanise makes an assumption about who has a special version of
Google. Not even asking in a serious way where is truth.

Second, he takes some numbers from Google and uses arithmetic--before
explaining any more assumptions that would be needed--to come up with a
ratio of 9:1 American Fascists to Hindu Fascists.

I am not surprised since he, Romanise, elevates himself onto high
pedestals, and lowers America, Americans, and anything/everything
America does....into the cesspool.

But, I am surprised that he just did not say that all Americans are
fascists, so no need to do arithmetic. It would save him a lot of work.
And, save him a lot more thinking."

You have identified a big part of the problem. As you observe it is not
truth but the war of labels that is being exercised. This is why I
refuse to enter into the curse of labels and the distortion of thinking
and corruption of "truth" it engenders.

This is why we should focus on the morality of a question. Then if the
shoe fits, wear it. Morality is about individual choices and acts, not
about whole groups as would be seen in labels. One need not think then,
one need only throw around labels mindlessly.
Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
2010-09-04 17:20:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by h***@indero.com
Post by P. Rajah
Post by DMJoshi
On mine "hindu fascism" gives About 12,300 results (0.12 seconds)
"american fascism" gives About 33,600 results (0.36 seconds)
Accepting these results on face value for every 81000 Hindus there is
one fascist, and for every 8900 Americans there is one fascist. Which
means for every one Hindu Fascist there are 9 Fascist Americans.
Each Google search result is one individual fascist?
"First, Romanise makes an assumption about who has a special version of
Google. Not even asking in a serious way where is truth.
Second, he takes some numbers from Google and uses arithmetic--before
explaining any more assumptions that would be needed--to come up with a
ratio of 9:1 American Fascists to Hindu Fascists.
I am not surprised since he, Romanise, elevates himself onto high
pedestals, and lowers America, Americans, and anything/everything
America does....into the cesspool.
But, I am surprised that he just did not say that all Americans are
fascists, so no need to do arithmetic. It would save him a lot of work.
And, save him a lot more thinking."
You have identified a big part of the problem. As you observe it is not
truth but the war of labels that is being exercised. This is why I
refuse to enter into the curse of labels and the distortion of thinking
and corruption of "truth" it engenders.
So, if you decline to enter into 'the curse of labels', why the fuck do
you post at all? Why don't you create a new 'war on labels' and take it
to the streets, dumbfucking nazi? Scared of getting you and your goddamn
halo 'crucified' in a street battle? Motherfucker, you are in no way
interested in any 'truth'. Your intention is to denigrate Hindus and
Hinduism, using phony doc as a convenient cover. Now, I would have had
no problems with it - Rajah does that in spades, and is absolutely open
and honest about it. You, on the other hand, take on this fucking phony
halo and try to come across as being above it all, but end up pushing a
one-sided view. You should talk of morality and character. I will not
let you get away with that, motherfucker. You are an evil rat.
Post by h***@indero.com
This is why we should focus on the morality of a question. Then if the
shoe fits, wear it. Morality is about individual choices and acts, not
about whole groups as would be seen in labels. One need not think then,
one need only throw around labels mindlessly.
Rich, motherfucker. Why not practice what you preach, bloody nazi
hypocrite? You have absolutely no problems in equating nazism with
Hinduism via selective cut and paste from the NY Times. Boy, did you get
badly burned on that sliminess. You have absolutely no problem in
trotting out only 2002/2008 as the only instances of 'atrocities', nay,
'genocide', allegedly by Hindus, but have absolutely no damned answer
for other 'genocides' (1971 was a bigger genocide than the partition of
the subcontinent). Oh, you have the standard, '_I_ condemn 2002/2008,
but _you_ may add others if you wish' garbage that you trot out. Clever
way of saying that you will not condemn anything. Then there is the
'caste is evil' garbage. Long list of complaints, but nary a solution to
any, or even the desire to find a solution.

Fucking charlatan, you should talk of character. You've got none, and
you have the bloody conceit to oil over on to the newsgroup with a phony
halo and much pious cant. Stick your messianic complex up your ass,
motherfucker. You can only fool Straydog - he only sees you as a counter
to phony doc. However, as a 'desi', I see much more than he does, and I
see 'pure evil' in you - your 'posting record' is a dead giveaway.
Old Pif
2010-09-04 20:58:45 UTC
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On Sep 4, 1:20 pm, "Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu"
why the fuck ...
your goddamn halo ...
Motherfucker ...
fucking phony halo ...
motherfucker ...
Rich, motherfucker ...
bloody nazi hypocrite ...
Fucking charlatan ...
Stick your messianic complex up your ass, motherfucker ...
The Great Intellectual, Superior Scholar and Unsurpassed Champion of
(English) language purity Continuously Presented Himself Tense finally
has loosen up.

Bravo!
Give us some more!
Strike keyboard harder!
Expand your vocabulary!

Show these (see above) racists, baboons and others who is in charge
here. Don't let them get away!
Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
2010-09-05 03:03:26 UTC
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Post by Old Pif
On Sep 4, 1:20 pm, "Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu"
why the fuck ...
your goddamn halo ...
Motherfucker ...
fucking phony halo ...
motherfucker ...
Rich, motherfucker ...
bloody nazi hypocrite ...
Fucking charlatan ...
Stick your messianic complex up your ass, motherfucker ...
The Great Intellectual, Superior Scholar and Unsurpassed Champion of
(English) language purity Continuously Presented Himself Tense finally
has loosen up.
Cool! I'll bring in a little more 'color' into your petty black and
white world, Old 'chop shop' Poof who is not smarter than a potted
plant. None of that 'theoretical physics' and your 'inborn genius' you'd
like to 'dazzle' me with? Lost your mojo, what?
Post by Old Pif
Bravo!
Give us some more!
Strike keyboard harder!
Expand your vocabulary!
Who is 'us', halfwit? You and your multiple personalities, schizoid? I
am 'speaching' [sic] just to you, in a language that is quite familiar
to dumb skunks like you. You no likee?

Oh, touch typing is so easy that I do not have to 'pound' the keyboard,
bloody git. Too bad that a knuckledragger like you cannot understand
this - must be tough on them Old Poof 'fingers', eh? As for
'vocabulary', you're just learning, grasshopper. Come back with your
racist claptrap, and I'll expand your colorless vocabulary some more.
Post by Old Pif
Show these (see above) racists, baboons and others who is in charge
here. Don't let them get away!
You bet, Old 'chop shop' Poof. A mental midget like you can be kicked
around quite easily. You can reply to just one post instead of cutting
and pasting the same gobbledegook as replies to two separate posts. Did
the head and the knuckles hurt that bad that you couldn't sputter
different words and sentences, bloody git?

Now, toddle off and find more 'Hindus' behind all conspiracies.
Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
2010-09-04 17:21:17 UTC
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Post by Me, ...again!
Post by P. Rajah
Post by DMJoshi
On Sep 3, 5:05 am, "Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu"
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Why do you think there is a nazi hindu connection? I don't see it.
Neither do I, motherfucker.
"hindu fascism" in Google: About 1,550,000 results (0.28 seconds)
You must have some special version of Google.
On mine "hindu fascism" gives About 12,300 results (0.12 seconds)
"american fascism" gives About 33,600 results (0.36 seconds)
Accepting these results on face value for every 81000 Hindus there is
one fascist, and for every 8900 Americans there is one fascist. Which
means for every one Hindu Fascist there are 9 Fascist Americans.
Each Google search result is one individual fascist?
First, Romanise makes an assumption about who has a special version of
Google. Not even asking in a serious way where is truth.
Nope. The Old Poof made the claim about a 'Hindu' version of Google.
Post by Me, ...again!
Second, he takes some numbers from Google and uses arithmetic--before
explaining any more assumptions that would be needed--to come up with a
ratio of 9:1 American Fascists to Hindu Fascists.
No more simplistic than listing out hits about 'hindu fascism' - lots of
the websites are Christian, Islamic, Sikh, ... Faith-based fascism ;-)
Nah, I'd much rather read mainstream media (in print or electronic
equivalent) than get worked up by the number of (s)hits.
Post by Me, ...again!
I am not surprised since he, Romanise, elevates himself onto high
pedestals, and lowers America, Americans, and anything/everything America
does....into the cesspool.
I don't quite know about the 'high pedestal' bit, but Romanise is not
particularly warm about the US. That is his choice, his opinion, which
he states unequivocally. I am fine with that. It comes down to one's
politics. But the counterarguments seem to wander between the Vedic age
and the present day. :-)
Post by Me, ...again!
But, I am surprised that he just did not say that all Americans are
fascists, so no need to do arithmetic. It would save him a lot of work.
And, save him a lot more thinking.
Old Pif
2010-09-04 20:45:52 UTC
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On Sep 4, 1:21 pm, "Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu"
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Nope. The Old Poof made the claim about a 'Hindu' version of Google.
One of the serious (psychiatric) problem with Tense people is that
they don't have sense of humor. Perhaps that is why they are Tense ...
Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
2010-09-05 03:03:36 UTC
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On Sep 4, 1:21 pm, "Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu"
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Nope. The Old Poof made the claim about a 'Hindu' version of Google.
One of the serious (psychiatric) problem with Tense people is that
they don't have sense of humor. Perhaps that is why they are Tense ...
Oooh, you're even dumber than I thought. Yeah, 'Hindus' have no sense of
humor absolutely. Nice generalization, what, Old 'Adolf' Poof?
Old Pif
2010-09-05 07:23:59 UTC
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On Sep 4, 11:03 pm, "Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu"
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
On Sep 4, 1:21 pm, "Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu"
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Nope. The Old Poof made the claim about a 'Hindu' version of Google.
One of the serious (psychiatric) problem with Tense people is that
they don't have sense of humor. Perhaps that is why they are Tense ...
Oooh, you're even dumber than I thought. Yeah, 'Hindus' have no sense of
humor absolutely. Nice generalization, what, Old 'Adolf' Poof?
Selective breeding most likely. Caste system. Only those without have
survived ...
Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
2010-09-05 07:41:25 UTC
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On Sep 4, 11:03 pm, "Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu"
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
On Sep 4, 1:21 pm, "Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu"
Post by Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
Nope. The Old Poof made the claim about a 'Hindu' version of Google.
One of the serious (psychiatric) problem with Tense people is that
they don't have sense of humor. Perhaps that is why they are Tense ...
Oooh, you're even dumber than I thought. Yeah, 'Hindus' have no sense of
humor absolutely. Nice generalization, what, Old 'Adolf' Poof?
Selective breeding most likely. Caste system. Only those without have
survived ...
So how did an inbred moron like you slip through the selective breeding
that your kind espouses, Adolf?
Old Pif
2010-09-04 21:00:28 UTC
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On Sep 4, 1:20 pm, "Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu"
why the fuck ...
your goddamn halo ...
Motherfucker ...
fucking phony halo ...
motherfucker ...
Rich, motherfucker ...
bloody nazi hypocrite ...
Fucking charlatan ...
Stick your messianic complex up your ass, motherfucker ...
The Great Intellectual, Superior Scholar and Unsurpassed Champion of
(English) language purity Continuously Presented Himself Tense finally
has loosen up.

Bravo!
Give us some more!
Strike keyboard harder!
Expand your vocabulary!

Show these (see above) racists, baboons and others who is in charge
here. Don't let them get away!
h***@indero.com
2010-09-04 15:51:30 UTC
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Post by DMJoshi
Accepting these results on face value for every 81000 Hindus there is
one fascist, and for every 8900 Americans there is one fascist. Which
means for every one Hindu Fascist there are 9 Fascist Americans.
"Each Google search result is one individual fascist?"

Sure, the maths of labels and bigotry. If one person of a group does
something, all are guilty. If one person of a group over there does
something evil, My group is excused to do same.
h***@indero.com
2010-09-03 12:02:31 UTC
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Post by h***@indero.com
Post by h***@indero.com
"Guess what? You have to be human to get to my level of
superiority,"
Post by h***@indero.com
Post by h***@indero.com
"Superior" is earned not inherited. Now show us by the level of your
discourse what you have and we can judge for ourselves.
If I did not exist, the question of your character remains, it does not
depend on me but for you to display.
"Then why post here at all, goddamn fraud, if you are of little
consequence? Like I said, you display as much as an ounce of honesty,
you'll see character. Until then, fucking nazi rat, you'll be treated
like footwear. Now go discover your 'character', fucking rat."

Because as I said, as the above first part shows you attacking another
and elevating yourself on the basis of labels you are now under test of
character. Self given labels is not the test of character but what you
display. Let see how you are today.
Post by h***@indero.com
Continued display of the disease of labels. Like a great diseased red
festering infected wound, we first expose it and then lance it so the
poisin can drain.
"Is 'draining poisin [sic]' some sort of 'tribal wistum [sic]'?

Halfwitted frigging nazi rat, the only thing that is diseased here is
your fertile mind. Third-rate son of a bitch, for all the pious crap
about 'lebels' [sic], your rather clever selection of posts that point
to some perceived flaws about Hindus/Hinduism are a dead giveaway on
what fricking 'lebel' [sic] you're after. Cowardly son of a bitch, let
me see if you have the courage to cut and paste anything anti-jihadi
(somewhat likely), or anti-christian (very highly unlikely). Either bash
all 'lebels' [sic] equally or none at all. Let me also see how much you
really know about Hinduism too."

Sad, no character yet in sight, superior self given label not yet
earned.
Post by h***@indero.com
Such is the case of the disease of labels which infect some minds.
"The 'disseese' [sic] of 'lebels' [sic] has infected only your mind,
fucking rat."

If I did not exist the test of your character proceeds nonetheless. I'm
not the measure of your character, you are.
Post by h***@indero.com
May this day find you at peace.
"Oh, fuck you too!"

"Fucking // fuck", did your mother teach you that? Would she have pride
in this display of character?

May this day find you in peace.
Myself, PresentContinuouslyTenseMallu
2010-09-04 05:05:10 UTC
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More like dragged your knuckles in to peer into the world of humans,
what? Alas, you poor 'victum' of your own delusions, nobody died for
your '(poi)sins' [sic] and appointed you any sort of arbiter here.
Besides, I am certainly not looking for a 'character certificate' from a
characterless charlatan like you. But, I am going to have a grand old
time bashing vermin like you.
Post by h***@indero.com
Post by h***@indero.com
Post by h***@indero.com
"Guess what? You have to be human to get to my level of
superiority,"
Post by h***@indero.com
Post by h***@indero.com
"Superior" is earned not inherited. Now show us by the level of your
discourse what you have and we can judge for ourselves.
If I did not exist, the question of your character remains, it does
not
Post by h***@indero.com
depend on me but for you to display.
"Then why post here at all, goddamn fraud, if you are of little
consequence? Like I said, you display as much as an ounce of honesty,
you'll see character. Until then, fucking nazi rat, you'll be treated
like footwear. Now go discover your 'character', fucking rat."
Because as I said, as the above first part shows you attacking another
and elevating yourself on the basis of labels you are now under test of
character. Self given labels is not the test of character but what you
display. Let see how you are today.
Yeah, you are under surveillance for mental deficiency.
Post by h***@indero.com
Post by h***@indero.com
Continued display of the disease of labels. Like a great diseased red
festering infected wound, we first expose it and then lance it so the
poisin can drain.
"Is 'draining poisin [sic]' some sort of 'tribal wistum [sic]'?
Halfwitted frigging nazi rat, the only thing that is diseased here is
your fertile mind. Third-rate son of a bitch, for all the pious crap
about 'lebels' [sic], your rather clever selection of posts that point
to some perceived flaws about Hindus/Hinduism are a dead giveaway on
what fricking 'lebel' [sic] you're after. Cowardly son of a bitch, let
me see if you have the courage to cut and paste anything anti-jihadi
(somewhat likely), or anti-christian (very highly unlikely). Either bash
all 'lebels' [sic] equally or none at all. Let me also see how much you
really know about Hinduism too."
Sad, no character yet in sight, superior self given label not yet
earned.
Yeah, your own character is nowhere to be seen. Haven't found anything
negative about Hindus in the CS Monitor or the NY Times to cut and paste
here, eh? No 'swastikas' under your bed? Did the leaves of the 'rat's
nest tea' form a 'swastika' in your teacup?
Post by h***@indero.com
Post by h***@indero.com
Such is the case of the disease of labels which infect some minds.
"The 'disseese' [sic] of 'lebels' [sic] has infected only your mind,
fucking rat."
If I did not exist the test of your character proceeds nonetheless. I'm
not the measure of your character, you are.
Sure, my bashing of you continues until you display your 'character' and
post something that shows that _you_ are above 'lebels' [sic] yourself,
fucking nazi vermin. For starters, change your nick ('lebel'? [sic]) to
'Harry Coomar' or some such, which'll give you some legitmacy to bash
Hindus, halfwit. Too scared to take on jihadi baboons and assorted other
evangelist kooks, eh? Or your 'true lebel' prevents you from cutting and
pasting anything negative. I guess that's why you rely on phony doc and
his 'fan club'.
Post by h***@indero.com
Post by h***@indero.com
May this day find you at peace.
"Oh, fuck you too!"
"Fucking // fuck", did your mother teach you that? Would she have pride
in this display of character?
No, your mother did, and she is downright proud of my bashing you.
Post by h***@indero.com
May this day find you in peace.
Fuck you too.
h***@indero.com
2010-09-04 15:40:31 UTC
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Post by h***@indero.com
Post by h***@indero.com
"Guess what? You have to be human to get to my level of
superiority,"
Post by h***@indero.com
Post by h***@indero.com
"Superior" is earned not inherited. Now show us by the level of your
discourse what you have and we can judge for ourselves.
If I did not exist the test of your character proceeds nonetheless.
I'm
Post by h***@indero.com
not the measure of your character, you are.
"Sure, my bashing of you continues until you display your 'character'
and post something that shows that _you_ are above 'lebels' [sic]
yourself, fucking nazi vermin. For starters, change your nick ('lebel'?
[sic]) to 'Harry Coomar' or some such, which'll give you some legitmacy
to bash Hindus, halfwit. Too scared to take on jihadi baboons and
assorted other evangelist kooks, eh? Or your 'true lebel' prevents you
from cutting and pasting anything negative. I guess that's why you rely
on phony doc and his 'fan club'."

Ah, confirmation in the clearest terms. I'm not the measure of your
"superior" status, your character is and to now it is a very poor level
indeed. Let us consider more, maybe it gets better, after all they say
character shows in the end.
Post by h***@indero.com
Post by h***@indero.com
May this day find you at peace.
"Oh, fuck you too!"
"Fucking // fuck", did your mother teach you that? Would she have pride
in this display of character?
"No, your mother did, and she is downright proud of my bashing you."

Oh dear, what a let down, no character yet. If my mother or I did not
exist the measure is still your character as to how "superior" you are.
Post by h***@indero.com
May this day find you in peace.
"Fuck you too."

"Fuck", did your mother teach you that? Does she brag to friends of
this display of your character and of the obvious "superior" status it
measures?

May peace be yours this day.
Me, ...again!
2010-08-24 12:13:02 UTC
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Post by Tambi Dude
Post by Old Pif
Post by Me, ...again!
However, my sample quotes and reference list (along similar themes,
including that offshoring has already started going to 3rd world
countries other than India) from some of the articles I've read is
below....
It is because they are not aware that the Indians are superior. As
soon as they figure it out we all doomed.
what an irony. I am reading this news the same day when it become
public in my company that we are hiring IT folks (developers,
infrastructure)
in India. For decades we were all american, now we joined the party
too.
First they will hire new folks in India.
Then they will replace those-who-left-in-USA with a new hire in India
Then they will start firing those-who-are-in-USA with a new hire in
India.
Goodbye high paying job.
Goodbye excellent benefits.
Hello hot dog.
Yeah.
Day Brown
2010-08-25 17:08:22 UTC
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A call center was moved from Bangalore to Conway Arkansas; customers
loved listening to the southern belle drawl, and the ladies knew things
about the American lifestyle that sometimes improved relations.

But there's no way to really quantify whats going on; business is not
always forthcoming in what it does, much less plans to do. And missing
from economic analysis is the cost of bribery & corruption which goes on
everywhere, more or less, but in any case, impossible to quantify as a
predictable business expense.

There is the simple fact that when all the cars now being made and sold
to the rising middle classes of India and China, there wont be enuf gas
for them and what's already on the road in the US & EU. The generally
longer commutes in the US could be devastating, soak up disposable
income and depress other retail sales.

So, the example above of Conway, which only has 50,000 people, and is
only a couple miles from one side of town to the other has something to
do why these smaller cities are seeing transnational investment. There
are no traffic jams wasting gasoline.

Its a factor too on where professionals want to live. They can be quite
comfortable in Conway on the same money they'd make in Bangalore. That
is, if the exchange rate stays the same, but we dont expect that. Folks
will make their own bets on which way they think its going. Nobody here
has a clue, and even if they did, nobody with the power to set policy
reads anything we have to say. This info is for your benefit alone.
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