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Sunday, August 14, 2011

Massive numbers showed in March in US for Anna Hazare in India Day
Parade in New Jersey, USA

see videos and photos links at the end... please forward to all email
lists and post in your blogs and websites.

it is a great event by all young people in usa.  india's young is
rising and change has to come.  anna's record of service, his
sacrifice,  is catching the imagination of all indians both in india
and abroad.  let us pray and hope the country will turn around.

PRESS RELEASE

India Against Corruption

Massive numbers showed in March for Anna Hazare in India Day Parade
at New Jersey, USA

August 14, 2011. Iselin, NJ.  The Indian Independence Day Parade was
greeted by torrential rain and indomitable spirit of 150 volunteers
of India Against Corruption adorning Anna Topi. Bollywood stars,
Major business groups, Tourism industry, Religions groups, Television
channels etc. participate in this parade organized by Indian Business
Association, NJ. This New Jersey Independence day parade is a major
annual event that attracts about 10 thousand people for the parade.
The India Against Corruption contingent was the largest group of the
whole parade.

The volunteers braved severe weather and walked for about 2 hours in
the rain. People from all walks of life -- technologists, engineers,
business men, doctors, students etc. joined the parade. Old men,
women, pregnant women, kids as young as 5 years old, walked in the
rain. The volunteers were drenched and cold but their enthusiasm was
not dampened. Flyers were distributed to all the people watching the
parade. A sample poll of about 500 people watching the parade tallied
95% support for Anna Hazare’s movement. Volunteers were carrying
slogans in support of Anna Hazare and Jan Lokpal. Volunteers also
sang "Hum Honge Kam Yaab" in front of the main stage. The spirit was
so contagious that the passers-by joined them too.  Many volunteers
were carrying placards saying -- "I am Anna" in various languages
like Hindi, English, Telugu, Tamil, Marathi etc.  The message also
said "It is not one Anna. We are Thousands". This was to symbolize
the spirit of nationalism that Anna has evoked in common man.

This event was covered by major television channels. The volunteers
in the parade, common people who joined to IAC, were interviewed by
Television and media reporters. Isha, 10 years old was asked by one
of the representative in hindi what this movement was about and she
said that this was about supporting Anna Hazare who was fight
corruption in India.  She also said she supported the movement whole-
heartedly.

The chants of vande maataram and Jai Hind boomed through the crowd,
echoing the patriotic fervor of the participants. The message of the
parade was to express the greatness of India and to communicate that
the country can be the greatest if we eradicate corruption.  One of
successful local commercial realtor was complementing IAC volunteers
after the parade and said that the economic growth of our country was
great but it could be much greater if not for corruption.

One of the slogans in the parade was -- "Anna Hazare -- Desh Tere
saath hai!  Videsh Tere saath hai!!". There are a lot of other events
being held across the globe on Aug 14, 2011 to mark the Global
Solidarity Day declared by IAC. The enthusiasm and support shown by
NRIs for India is bound to inspire people in India.  The parade ended
with all the volunteers singing the Indian National Anthem drenched
in rain and standing in attention.

This was an event of the common man, by the common man and for the
common man -- a reflection of true democracy, an event in support of
Jan Lokpal bill and Anna Hazare.

Additional Video and Photo links for the event:

YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I8WT5CNlbA&feature=autoplay&list=PL37ABA3F39393C492

Pictures:

https://picasaweb.google.com/110804064056852150979/2011AugAnna?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCNThkNrniKyFuAE&feat=directlink

Faith is the bird that feels the light and sings when the dawn is
still dark. - R. Tagore

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Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> Forwarded post from S. D.
>
> Sunday, August 14, 2011
>
> Massive numbers showed in March in US for Anna Hazare in India Day
> Parade in New Jersey, USA
>
> see videos and photos links at the end... please forward to all email
> lists and post in your blogs and websites.
>
> it is a great event by all young people in usa.  india's young is
> rising and change has to come.  anna's record of service, his
> sacrifice,  is catching the imagination of all indians both in india
> and abroad.  let us pray and hope the country will turn around.
>
> PRESS RELEASE
>
> India Against Corruption
>
> Massive numbers showed in March for Anna Hazare in India Day Parade
> at New Jersey, USA
>
> August 14, 2011. Iselin, NJ.  The Indian Independence Day Parade was
> greeted by torrential rain and indomitable spirit of 150 volunteers
> of India Against Corruption adorning Anna Topi. Bollywood stars,
> Major business groups, Tourism industry, Religions groups, Television
> channels etc. participate in this parade organized by Indian Business
> Association, NJ. This New Jersey Independence day parade is a major
> annual event that attracts about 10 thousand people for the parade.
> The India Against Corruption contingent was the largest group of the
> whole parade.
>
> The volunteers braved severe weather and walked for about 2 hours in
> the rain. People from all walks of life -- technologists, engineers,
> business men, doctors, students etc. joined the parade. Old men,
> women, pregnant women, kids as young as 5 years old, walked in the
> rain. The volunteers were drenched and cold but their enthusiasm was
> not dampened. Flyers were distributed to all the people watching the
> parade. A sample poll of about 500 people watching the parade tallied
> 95% support for Anna Hazare’s movement. Volunteers were carrying
> slogans in support of Anna Hazare and Jan Lokpal. Volunteers also
> sang "Hum Honge Kam Yaab" in front of the main stage. The spirit was
> so contagious that the passers-by joined them too.  Many volunteers
> were carrying placards saying -- "I am Anna" in various languages
> like Hindi, English, Telugu, Tamil, Marathi etc.  The message also
> said "It is not one Anna. We are Thousands". This was to symbolize
> the spirit of nationalism that Anna has evoked in common man.
>
> This event was covered by major television channels. The volunteers
> in the parade, common people who joined to IAC, were interviewed by
> Television and media reporters. Isha, 10 years old was asked by one
> of the representative in hindi what this movement was about and she
> said that this was about supporting Anna Hazare who was fight
> corruption in India.  She also said she supported the movement whole-
> heartedly.
>
> The chants of vande maataram and Jai Hind boomed through the crowd,
> echoing the patriotic fervor of the participants. The message of the
> parade was to express the greatness of India and to communicate that
> the country can be the greatest if we eradicate corruption.  One of
> successful local commercial realtor was complementing IAC volunteers
> after the parade and said that the economic growth of our country was
> great but it could be much greater if not for corruption.
>
> One of the slogans in the parade was -- "Anna Hazare -- Desh Tere
> saath hai!  Videsh Tere saath hai!!". There are a lot of other events
> being held across the globe on Aug 14, 2011 to mark the Global
> Solidarity Day declared by IAC. The enthusiasm and support shown by
> NRIs for India is bound to inspire people in India.  The parade ended
> with all the volunteers singing the Indian National Anthem drenched
> in rain and standing in attention.
>
> This was an event of the common man, by the common man and for the
> common man -- a reflection of true democracy, an event in support of
> Jan Lokpal bill and Anna Hazare.
>
> Additional Video and Photo links for the event:
>
> YouTube:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I8WT5CNlbA&feature=autoplay&list=PL37ABA3F39393C492
>
> Pictures:
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/110804064056852150979/2011AugAnna?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCNThkNrniKyFuAE&feat=directlink
>
> Faith is the bird that feels the light and sings when the dawn is
> still dark. - R. Tagore
>
> End of forwarded post from S. D.

Forwarded message from S. Kalyanaraman

Anna Hazare fast and Sonia Govt's counter moves

http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com/2011/08/anna-hazare-fast-and-sonia-govts.html

Anna Hazare fast and Sonia Govt's counter moves

Published: August 15, 2011 20:48 IST
Updated: August 16, 2011 04:15 IST 

Anna Hazare calls for 'jail bharo'

Gargi Parsai

Social activist Anna Hazare during his visit to Rajghat on Monday on
the eve of his hunger strike for a stronger Lokpal Bill. Photo:
Sushil Kumar Verma

The confrontation between social activist Anna Hazare and the
government on the Lokpal Bill took a turn for the worse on Monday
with the former giving a call to his supporters to fill jails all
over the country if he is arrested on Tuesday.

Mr. Hazare was denied permission by the Delhi Police to stage his
fast here as his team refused to comply with all 22 conditions they
laid.

Addressing journalists here after Prime Minister Manmohan Singh
criticised him for resorting to a fast as a protest when Parliament
was seized of the Lokpal Bill, the anti-corruption crusader said he
would go to the JP Park, the venue of his fast, even though the
police had imposed prohibitory orders.

"I am given to understand that I will be refused permission. We will
go there. If I am arrested, I will continue my hunger strike in jail.
If I am released, I will go back to the venue and continue the fast.
This will go on,'' Mr. Hazare said. He gave a "lights off'' call
throughout the country to reflect the "darkness in the hearts of the
poor, deprived and dispossessed people.''

He said that once he was arrested, people should fill the jails in
every village.

Accusing the Prime Minister of speaking the same language as his
Cabinet colleague Kapil Sibal, Mr. Hazare said he was sure that if a
strong Lokpal was created there would be a 60 per cent end to
corruption.

Before his news conference, the 74-year-old activist made a surprise
visit to the Rajghat taking the police unawares. He said he went
there for "introspection.''

While senior United Progressive Alliance Ministers defended the
decision to withhold permission to Mr. Hazare as "necessary,'' the
Opposition Bharatiya Janata Party slammed the government for
"scuttling all voices of dissent.''

CPI (M) leader Brinda Karat said one may or may not agree with Mr.
Hazare and his team on the Lokpal Bill but no one can question their
right to protest.

Activist Arvind Kejriwal said the government's action was
"autocratic.''

Lawyer Prashant Bhushan said they would move the court on Tuesday
against the decision of the Delhi Police.

Karnataka Lokayukta Santosh Hegde, who is also a member of the Team
Anna's core team, said the government's action showed that it was
"nervous."

Aruna Roy, Nikhil Dey and Shankar Singh of the Mazdoor Kisan Shakti
Sangathan also condemned the refusal of permission to Mr. Hazare.

HT Correspondents, Hindustan Times

New Delhi, August 15, 2011
First Published: 23:26 IST(15/8/2011)
Last Updated: 01:25 IST(16/8/2011)

Police firm, Anna faces arrest

With social activist Anna Hazare and his camp refusing to accept six
of the 22 conditions set by the Delhi Police for his fast to press
for a lokpal bill drafted by them, his arrest seemed imminent.

Late Monday, 50 of Hazare's supporters were detained for gathering at
the proposed JP Park venue of the protest for violating prohibitory
orders, the police said.

A lokpal bill incorporating several suggestions by the Anna Camp is
currently in Parliament but the activists said nothing less than a
complete acceptance of their version is acceptable. 

"We will march to JP Park tomorrow morning and if arrested, I will
fast in custody. When I am released, I will go there again to start
my fast," Hazare declared at a press conference, dubbed as an
"address to the nation".

Delhi Police spokesperson Rajan Bhagat said, "We have denied them
permission to protest at JP Park. Section 144 that restricts a
gathering of people has been imposed at the park and all roads
leading to it. If anyone tries to defy the orders, the punishment can
vary from preventive custody to arrest."

The police told the Anna Camp that their agitation in JP Park near
ITO, it couldn't be allowed for more than three days.

When the Anna Camp insisted on permission for an indefinite period,
the police offered a venue in Burari on the outskirts of the city,
which Hazare turned down.

All other conditions set for the agitation are common to gatherings
in the city and guided by various court orders.

Concluding an afternoon filled with drama, Hazare exhorted all
Indians to join him in jail as he could be arrested.

"Lakhs of people will rise in my support in villages across India,
and there will be a jail bharo (fill prisons) agitation." Describing
the country's independence as fake and inadequate, Hazare said its
time for a "second independence struggle".

Hazare earlier visited Rajghat, the resting place of Mahatma Gandhi,
for a "meditation".

At a press conference later, Hazare thanked the media for supporting
his movement.

"The media is the fourth pillar of democracy," he said, adding that
he is willing to "fetch water in Kapil Sibal's house" if the lokpal
bill suggested by him does not bring down corruption by "60 to 65%".

Hazare however said his fight is not restricted to a lokpal but for a
systemic transformation.

Elaborating, he said, "Eighty percent of Indians earn R20 or less a
day. Others are earning several thousands every day," adding that the
country is "being run by industrialists.

Therefore, what we require is a systemic transformation, not merely a
change of government."

He said he respected Parliament but asked why "this sacred place has
tainted people".

http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/Print/733700.aspx

Published: August 15, 2011 20:48 IST
Updated: August 16, 2011 04:15 IST 

Anna Hazare calls for 'jail bharo'

Gargi Parsai

Social activist Anna Hazare during his visit to Rajghat on Monday on
the eve of his hunger strike for a stronger Lokpal Bill. Photo:
Sushil Kumar Verma

The confrontation between social activist Anna Hazare and the
government on the Lokpal Bill took a turn for the worse on Monday
with the former giving a call to his supporters to fill jails all
over the country if he is arrested on Tuesday.

Mr. Hazare was denied permission by the Delhi Police to stage his
fast here as his team refused to comply with all 22 conditions they
laid.

Addressing journalists here after Prime Minister Manmohan Singh
criticised him for resorting to a fast as a protest when Parliament
was seized of the Lokpal Bill, the anti-corruption crusader said he
would go to the JP Park, the venue of his fast, even though the
police had imposed prohibitory orders.

"I am given to understand that I will be refused permission. We will
go there. If I am arrested, I will continue my hunger strike in jail.
If I am released, I will go back to the venue and continue the fast.
This will go on,'' Mr. Hazare said. He gave a "lights off'' call
throughout the country to reflect the "darkness in the hearts of the
poor, deprived and dispossessed people.''

He said that once he was arrested, people should fill the jails in
every village.

Accusing the Prime Minister of speaking the same language as his
Cabinet colleague Kapil Sibal, Mr. Hazare said he was sure that if a
strong Lokpal was created there would be a 60 per cent end to
corruption.

Before his news conference, the 74-year-old activist made a surprise
visit to the Rajghat taking the police unawares. He said he went
there for "introspection.''

While senior United Progressive Alliance Ministers defended the
decision to withhold permission to Mr. Hazare as "necessary,'' the
Opposition Bharatiya Janata Party slammed the government for
"scuttling all voices of dissent.''

CPI (M) leader Brinda Karat said one may or may not agree with Mr.
Hazare and his team on the Lokpal Bill but no one can question their
right to protest.

Activist Arvind Kejriwal said the government's action was
"autocratic.''

Lawyer Prashant Bhushan said they would move the court on Tuesday
against the decision of the Delhi Police.

Karnataka Lokayukta Santosh Hegde, who is also a member of the Team
Anna's core team, said the government's action showed that it was
"nervous."

Aruna Roy, Nikhil Dey and Shankar Singh of the Mazdoor Kisan Shakti
Sangathan also condemned the refusal of permission to Mr. Hazare.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article2359459.ece?homepage=true

India against corruption: PM holds huddle leaving out key Sonia aides

TNN
Aug 16, 2011, 02.47AM IST

Indraprasth aka New Delhi - Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Monday
seemed to be taking charge of Congress's counter-offensive against
Anna Hazare by holding a huddle with senior party leaders, including
Rahul Gandhi and finance minister Pranab Mukherjee. 

The rare initiative came just after the flag-hoisting ceremony at
Congress headquarters, and was at variance with the perception that
Singh, with the exception of his insistence on pushing the Indo-US
nuclear deal through, has been content following the party's lead. 

Information and broadcasting minister Ambika Soni and general
secretary Janardan Dwivedi were part of the deliberations which,
among other things, focused on assessing how the confrontation with
civil society might play out in the media. 

The unusual display of leadership on a political issue came against
the backdrop of the assessment in Congress about the divide between
PMO and party brass on how to tackle the challenge from Anna's camp. 

The remarkable feature of the impromptu conclave was the exclusion of
two of Sonia Gandhi's most trusted aides - defence minister A K
Antony and the Congress chief's political secretary Ahmed Patel. Both
Antony and Patel were present at the AICC when Singh started the
consultations. The duo could not get out of the premises because of
the security bandobast SPG had put in place for the PM and had to
wait in social justice minister Mukul Wasnik's room till Singh and
his chosen few ended the deliberations. 

The composition of what was instantly termed the PM's own "core
group" stunned AICC watchers. 

Antony is a member of the elite bodies - Cabinet committees on
political affairs, and security. Significantly, his name featured on
the top of the 'group of four' named by Sonia to look after
organizational affairs in her absence. 

The PM's initiative is significant against the growing backdrop of
growing perception in AICC circles about a disconnect between the PMO
and Congress leadership on how to deal with Anna's campaign.
Ministers like Kapil Sibal, who are considered to be advising the PM,
are for an aggressive response, whereas significant sections in the
party favour a politically calibrated approach. 

There are misgivings in the party over the frontal assault party
spokesperson Manish Tewari was instructed to launch on the Gandhian.
Although party circles acknowledge that the provocation came from the
Anna group, they feel the party should have refrained from targeting
Anna personally. As against this, elements in the government are
against holding fire in the hostilities with civil society. 

Amid a sense of puzzlement in the Congress over the aggression on
Saturday, senior party sources stressed that they don't favour
personal attacks. "Hazare has made unwarranted attacks on Congress
instead of focusing on government and others. However, we will not
stoop to that level and let incivility mar our response," a senior
party office-bearer said.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/PM-holds-huddle-on-Anna-campaign-leaving-out-key-Sonia-aides/articleshow/9617001.cms

India against corruption: 50 supporters of Hazare detained at fast venue

PTI
Aug 16, 2011, 12.09AM IST

Indraprasth aka New Delhi - At least 50 supporters of Anna Hazare
were tonight detained by Delhi police at Jai Prakash Narain Park, the
venue of the anti-graft crusader's planned fast from tomorrow, for
defying prohibitory orders clamped in the area. 

The supporters of the Gandhian were taken in a police bus to a nearby
police station, police said. Hazare has been denied permission by
Delhi police to hold his fast at JPN park. 

They had gathered ahead of Hazare's fast for a strong Lokpal bill to
express solidarity with him. 

Delhi Police spokesperson Rajan Bhagat said prohibitory orders under
Section 144 CrPC in some areas of Daryaganj and IP police stations in
Central Delhi, which include Jai Prakash Narain Park and Shaheed
Park, were clamped this evening. The section prohibits the assembly
of five or more people in one place. 

The areas where prohibitory orders have been imposed include
Shantivan to Rajghat, Rajghat to Jawahar Lal Nehru Marg, Aruna Asaf
Ali Marg to JLN Marg, Delhi Gate to Tilak Marg on Bahadurshah Zafar
Marg. 

The orders came following police denying permission to Hazare to hold
the protest at the park after organisers refused to give an
undertaking restricting the number of protest days to three and
protestors to 5,000. 

A large contingent of police, including women personnel, have been
deployed around JPN Park to ensure that no untoward incident takes
place. 

Delhi Police meanwhile sought the services of two magistrates from
the city government. 

Sources said Delhi Police have requested principal secretary (home)
of the city government to provide them with two magistrates whose
services might be required to handle the law and order situation
during the proposed protest. 

Top officials also reviewed the situation at Police Headquarters. 

Union Home Secretary RK Singh held a meeting with Delhi Police
Commissioner BK Gupta and other senior officials at the Police
Headquarters here to take stock of the measures taken by the force to
tackle any untoward situation.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/India-against-corruption-50-supporters-of-Hazare-detained-at-fast-venue/articleshow/9615987.cms

Delhi Police plans 'Gandhigiri'

By Pramod Kumar Singh
The Pioneer
Tuesday, August 16, 2011

Unarmed, but ready to put the Gandhian and supporters behind bars 

Indraprasth aka New Delhi - With Anna Hazare and his colleagues being
denied permission for their proposed fast at Jai Prakash Narayan
Park, battle lines have been drawn. However, the Delhi Police plans
to score brownie points with the people by adopting 'Gandhian
methods' of maintaining law and order. 

Anna and his supporters will be taken into custody by the Delhi
Police if they try to enter Jai Prakash Narayan Park on Tuesday
morning. However, senior Delhi Police officials said that officers of
Delhi Police detailed for the duty would be unarmed and maximum
restraint would be exercised in dealing with the situation.

However, it is unlikely that this will be the only line of deployment
for disallowing protests by Hazare and his group. The Delhi Police
has already deployed a large number of moveable barricades in Central
and New Delhi districts to prevent Anna and his supporters from going
to the announced place. The anti-riot first battalion of the armed
police would be on standby. "However, the police manning the
barricades would all be unarmed and request protesters not to move
further," informed a Delhi Police officer.

Special Branch of the Delhi Police has reported that those coming to
JP Park are expected to be peaceful and there was little likelihood
of violence. But the situation could change if Anna and his
supporters decided to move to any other venue and needed protection,
a senior Delhi Police official said.

The Delhi Police have chalked out an elaborate plan after Union Home
Secretary RK Singh visited the Delhi Police Headquarters on Monday
afternoon to review the situation as a showdown between the Team Anna
and the police appears inevitable. Intelligence wing of the Delhi
Police has cautioned the Central and New Delhi district police that
Anna and his supporters could spring a last minute surprise and could
go either to Rajghat or Jantar Mantar or even to 10 Janpath, the
residence of Congress president Sonia Gandhi. 

Delhi Police officers said that they could very well block entry to
all these places if the situation so demanded and any attempt to
breach the police cordon would be "dealt in a firm albeit peaceful
manner."

"Since Section 144 has been imposed in Central district, no assembly
of people would be allowed near the park," the official added. 

The imposition of section 144 would mean that protests at the nearby
Ramlila Maidan and Rajghat would also not be allowed. Sources said
that Union Home Secretary asked Delhi Police Commissioner BK Gupta to
be careful while planning security arrangements and handle Tuesday
protest with minimum use of force. 

"The Delhi Police has taken several measures to avoid a Ramlila
Maidan like situation," the official added. The Delhi Police used a
heavy hand to evict the supporters of Baba Ramdev in June after the
negotiations between the Government and the Yog Guru failed to reach
conclusion.

In a significant development, the Delhi Government has permitted the
Delhi Police to use Chhatrasal Stadium as a makeshift jail to house
Anna Hazare and his supporters after they are arrested. The Delhi
Police has requested the Delhi Government to provide either
Chhatrasal stadium or the State Guest House 33 Shamnath Marg on
Alipur Road for using it as temporary jail. Chief Secretary PK
Tripathi, Home Principal Secretary Arvind Ray and DG Prisons Neeraj
Kumar were present in the meeting.

Meanwhile, when asked why permission was denied to Anna Hazare in the
first place, Joint Commissioner of Police, Northern Range, Sudhir
Yadav told The Pioneer, "The Supreme Court has very clearly set
guidelines about such type of fasts and sit-ins. They refused to
comply with our six major conditions out of 22, the permission was
accordingly denied. Now any move to hold a protest near JP Park will
be dealt according to the provisions of law." When asked whether the
Delhi Police could go for preventive arrests to prevent Anna and his
supporters from going to JP Park, the Joint CP replied in negative.
He said, "There is no need as the Delhi Police was capable of
handling any situation that may emerge on Tuesday morning. Central
district police has requisitioned buses to move Anna and his
supporters in the event of them being detained for violating
prohibitory orders." 

http://www.dailypioneer.com/361100/Delhi-Police-plans-Gandhigiri.html

Anna Hazare to begin fast today, people across India switch off
lights in support

ITGD Bureau
August 15, 2011 - 19:04

Anna Hazare addresses media in New Delhi on Monday.

Indraprasth aka New Delhi - Anna Hazare is all set for a full blown
confrontation with the government on the Lokpal Bill, giving a call
to his supporters to fill up jails all over the country if he is
arrested on Tuesday after he was denied permission to hold indefinite
fast in the national capital.

Addressing a press conference after Prime Minister Manmohan Singh
slammed him for resorting to fast as a protest when Parliament was
seized of the Lokpal bill, the Gandhian said he will go to J P park
on Tuesday, the venue of his fast even though Delhi police has
imposed prohibitory orders.

"My mission begins tomorrow, we have a long fight ahead," Hazare
said.

"I come to understand that I will be refused permission. We will go
there. If I am arrested, I will continue my hunger strike in the
jail. If I am released, I will go back to the venue and this circle
will continue," he said at a 30-minute press conference that came to
an end to coincide with his "lights-off" call throughout the country
from 8 pm.

He said once he is arrested, people should fill up the jails in every
village across the country. "Going to jail for the country is no
crime...It is a decoration," he said.

He accused the Prime Minister of "speaking" the language of his
ministerial colleague Kapil Sibal saying that the Lokpal bill was
before Parliament which will take the call.

Before his press conference, the 73-year old activist made an
unscheduled visit to Rajghat, where he sat in meditation. Soon after
the news of his being at the Gandhi Samadhi, hundreds of supporters
gathered around him.

Earlier in the day, Delhi Police refused permission to Gandhian and
his supporters saying that team Hazare have refused to give an
undertaking on restricting the number of days of protest and
protesters besides four other conditions.

Sudhir Yadav, Joint Commissioner of Police (Northern Range), said
anybody assembling at the Park on Tuesday would face legal action.

"We have denied the permission. Nobody is supposed to come to the
park. If somebody comes there, it is unlawful. They will be handled
according to law. If they do that, it is violation of law," Yadav
said as police prepared to lock down the grounds.

Union Home Secretary R K Singh reviewed the situation with Delhi
Police Commissioner B K Gupta and other top officials at the police
headquarters.

Hazare's protest on Tuesday is in pursuit of his campaign for a
strong Lokpal that will have under its ambit Prime Minister, higher
judiciary, conduct of MPs in Parliament and other provisions. The
bill introduced in Parliament excludes these institutions.

In his speech at the Red Fort on Monday morning, the Prime Minister
decried Hazare going on fast and said Parliament alone will decide on
Lokpal and those having grievances should approach Parliamentary
Committees for airing their views.

At his press conference, Hazare said corruption has crossed all
limits and is all pervasive in various sectors, including education
and jobs.

He said even after Jan Lokpal is passed, there is no guarantee that
corruption will be eliminated 100 per cent but he was confident that
it would end at least up to 60-65 per cent. "If it does not happen, I
am ready to serve water at Kapil Sibal's house," he said.

Hazare said the fight against corruption has just begin and will not
stop even if Lokpal bill passed. The struggle for the change will
continue and it is a long battle, he said.

"It is now a fight to the finish," he said, adding they were not for
pulling down the government but if falls in the process, they don't
care.

He also said his protest will be non-violent because non-violence was
a powerful weapon.

Referring to the Prime Minister's remarks that the Lokpal bill was
before Parliament, he said "We have to accept Parliament. We have
trust in Parliament but the bill that has gone before it is not
proper."

The activist said the provisions like appointment and removal of
Lokpal were serious issues on which government made promises but
suddenly it changed its stand and "betrayed us".

Speaking about repeated assertions from the government's side that he
was undermining democracy, he said, "Don't we know democracy? Is
democracy only wining elections after spending money. Four MPs are in
jail and there are charges against nearly 150 others."

Hazare said government was working only for big industrialists
acquiring lands from farmers and was not working for the poor.

- With PTI inputs

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/story/lokpal-bill-anna-hazare-addresses-media/1/148140.html

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Bholu
2011-08-16 12:35:51 UTC
Permalink
Anna Hazare spent 200 hazar on his birthday bash last year. Buddha
budmaash hai.

Yaani ke ram naam hai mukh mein - chhuri hai bagal mein.

He will fade faster than a wet spot. Unfortunately he has fooled more
people than Gandhi ji.

Thanks bud.
Myself, Mallu. Yourself?
2011-08-17 10:53:10 UTC
Permalink
On 8/16/2011 5:35 AM, Bholu wrote:
> Anna Hazare spent 200 hazar on his birthday bash last year. Buddha
> budmaash hai.
>
> Yaani ke ram naam hai mukh mein - chhuri hai bagal mein.
>
> He will fade faster than a wet spot. Unfortunately he has fooled more
> people than Gandhi ji.
>
> Thanks bud.

200 hazaar (from his own trust fund) is orders of magnitude smaller than
what was spent on the birthday of a Lakhanvi tawaaif, or the 2 lakh
crore loss to the public exchequer caused by A Raja. 200 hazar can only
buy a limited amount of "zunka bhakar". :-)

Whether he fades 'faster than a wet spot' is irrelevant. What matters is
whether the current anti-corruption movement started by him can sustain
its momentum, and get accountability back in the Indian system.

Since you seem to be particularly wrapped around the axle about
Annasaheb, you should have more than just flip comments. Maybe you are
fond of the status quo, eh?

BTW, the idiom is "munh mein Raam, bagal mein chhuri". :)

--
VB, Just itchy
'ome=shanty
Bholu
2011-08-17 12:34:01 UTC
Permalink
On Aug 17, 5:53 am, "Myself, Mallu. Yourself?"
<***@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 8/16/2011 5:35 AM, Bholu wrote:
>
> > Anna Hazare spent 200 hazar on his birthday bash last year. Buddha
> > budmaash hai.
>
> > Yaani ke ram naam hai mukh mein - chhuri hai bagal mein.
>
> > He will fade faster than a wet spot. Unfortunately he has fooled more
> > people than Gandhi ji.
>
> > Thanks bud.
>
> 200 hazaar (from his own trust fund) is orders of magnitude smaller than
> what was spent on the birthday of a Lakhanvi tawaaif, or the 2 lakh
> crore loss to the public exchequer caused by A Raja. 200 hazar can only
> buy a limited amount of "zunka bhakar". :-)
>
> Whether he fades 'faster than a wet spot' is irrelevant. What matters is
> whether the current anti-corruption movement started by him can sustain
> its momentum, and get accountability back in the Indian system.
>
> Since you seem to be particularly wrapped around the axle about
> Annasaheb, you should have more than just flip comments. Maybe you are
> fond of the status quo, eh?
>
> BTW, the idiom is "munh mein Raam, bagal mein chhuri". :)
>
> --
> VB, Just itchy
> 'ome=shanty

Well itchy, status quo never exists. India IS changing - that is why
you see the demonstrations. Worshiping Ramdeo or Anna is redundant-
beyond giving these parochial mullas more ego.

How does Anna differ from MNS Senapati on internal migration in India
- especially to Mumbai? Why has exercised extrajudicial clout to ban
TV and liquor in his village. Be careful of what you worship.

The young India will bring change. Not chump change like Anna. Or
posts for and against your deity.

Thanks bud. Relax and scratch that itch.
Mirza Ghalib
2011-08-17 16:11:10 UTC
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On Aug 17, 5:34 am, Bholu <***@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 17, 5:53 am, "Myself, Mallu. Yourself?"
>
>
>
> Well itchy, status quo never exists. India IS changing - that is why
> you see the demonstrations. Worshiping Ramdeo or Anna is redundant-
> beyond giving these parochial mullas more ego.
>
> How does Anna differ from MNS Senapati on internal migration in India
> - especially to Mumbai? Why has exercised extrajudicial clout to ban
> TV and liquor in his village. Be careful of what you worship.
>
> The young India will bring change. Not chump change like Anna. Or
> posts for and against your deity.
>
> Thanks bud. Relax and scratch that itch.

My criterion for judging Hazare is a little different. Any effort
in the direction of removing the Italian Feringhees ruling
India is commendable. I had not heard of Hazare till he
launched his movement, and I am in general skeptical of
Gandhian methods, because it does not spell out the
system after it has achieved its objective of removing
the bad guys. But if he succeeds, well and good.

I do not see any parallel between the Senapati and Hazare.
Hazare has already become a national figure, whether you
like it or not, and like the Gandhian movement in the 1930s is
attracting followers around the country.

Once the Feringhees are out of power, Indian will, at the
least learn to govern themselves. So far, they have used the
prop of the Nehru aura, and their smooth looks, in particular.
If they prove unable to do so, well, at least the system will
rot and fall, and give way to a new one, good or bad. In a
sense that would mark the close of the freedom struggle
launched over a century ago.

Finally, do not bitch about the Rs 200,000 that someone
spent on a birthday bash. In today's India it just $4000,
and buys just a little more than what it would in the USA.
You know what $4000 buys in USA. Much of that money
must have gone for feeding people, rich and poor.
and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
2011-08-17 17:09:58 UTC
Permalink
In article <2b2f5cc4-7e30-49a5-8fbe-***@j1g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
Mirza Ghalib <***@gmx.com> posted:
> . . .
> . . . In today's India it just $4000,
> and buys just a little more than what it would in the
> USA. You know what $4000 buys in USA. . . .

How things have changed over the decades!

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> Forwarded post from S. D.
>
> Sunday, August 14, 2011
>
> Massive numbers showed in March in US for Anna Hazare in India Day
> Parade in New Jersey, USA
>
> see videos and photos links at the end... please forward to all email
> lists and post in your blogs and websites.
>
> it is a great event by all young people in usa.  india's young is
> rising and change has to come.  anna's record of service, his
> sacrifice,  is catching the imagination of all indians both in india
> and abroad.  let us pray and hope the country will turn around.
>
> PRESS RELEASE
>
> India Against Corruption
>
> Massive numbers showed in March for Anna Hazare in India Day Parade
> at New Jersey, USA
>
> August 14, 2011. Iselin, NJ.  The Indian Independence Day Parade was
> greeted by torrential rain and indomitable spirit of 150 volunteers
> of India Against Corruption adorning Anna Topi. Bollywood stars,
> Major business groups, Tourism industry, Religions groups, Television
> channels etc. participate in this parade organized by Indian Business
> Association, NJ. This New Jersey Independence day parade is a major
> annual event that attracts about 10 thousand people for the parade.
> The India Against Corruption contingent was the largest group of the
> whole parade.
>
> The volunteers braved severe weather and walked for about 2 hours in
> the rain. People from all walks of life -- technologists, engineers,
> business men, doctors, students etc. joined the parade. Old men,
> women, pregnant women, kids as young as 5 years old, walked in the
> rain. The volunteers were drenched and cold but their enthusiasm was
> not dampened. Flyers were distributed to all the people watching the
> parade. A sample poll of about 500 people watching the parade tallied
> 95% support for Anna Hazare’s movement. Volunteers were carrying
> slogans in support of Anna Hazare and Jan Lokpal. Volunteers also
> sang "Hum Honge Kam Yaab" in front of the main stage. The spirit was
> so contagious that the passers-by joined them too.  Many volunteers
> were carrying placards saying -- "I am Anna" in various languages
> like Hindi, English, Telugu, Tamil, Marathi etc.  The message also
> said "It is not one Anna. We are Thousands". This was to symbolize
> the spirit of nationalism that Anna has evoked in common man.
>
> This event was covered by major television channels. The volunteers
> in the parade, common people who joined to IAC, were interviewed by
> Television and media reporters. Isha, 10 years old was asked by one
> of the representative in hindi what this movement was about and she
> said that this was about supporting Anna Hazare who was fight
> corruption in India.  She also said she supported the movement whole-
> heartedly.
>
> The chants of vande maataram and Jai Hind boomed through the crowd,
> echoing the patriotic fervor of the participants. The message of the
> parade was to express the greatness of India and to communicate that
> the country can be the greatest if we eradicate corruption.  One of
> successful local commercial realtor was complementing IAC volunteers
> after the parade and said that the economic growth of our country was
> great but it could be much greater if not for corruption.
>
> One of the slogans in the parade was -- "Anna Hazare -- Desh Tere
> saath hai!  Videsh Tere saath hai!!". There are a lot of other events
> being held across the globe on Aug 14, 2011 to mark the Global
> Solidarity Day declared by IAC. The enthusiasm and support shown by
> NRIs for India is bound to inspire people in India.  The parade ended
> with all the volunteers singing the Indian National Anthem drenched
> in rain and standing in attention.
>
> This was an event of the common man, by the common man and for the
> common man -- a reflection of true democracy, an event in support of
> Jan Lokpal bill and Anna Hazare.
>
> Additional Video and Photo links for the event:
>
> YouTube:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I8WT5CNlbA&feature=autoplay&list=PL37ABA3F39393C492
>
> Pictures:
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/110804064056852150979/2011AugAnna?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCNThkNrniKyFuAE&feat=directlink
>
> Faith is the bird that feels the light and sings when the dawn is
> still dark. - R. Tagore
>
> End of forwarded post from S. D.

Forwarded message from S. Kalyanaraman

Anna Hazare fast and Sonia Govt's counter moves

http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com/2011/08/anna-hazare-fast-and-sonia-govts.html

Anna Hazare fast and Sonia Govt's counter moves

Published: August 15, 2011 20:48 IST
Updated: August 16, 2011 04:15 IST 

Anna Hazare calls for 'jail bharo'

Gargi Parsai

Social activist Anna Hazare during his visit to Rajghat on Monday on
the eve of his hunger strike for a stronger Lokpal Bill. Photo:
Sushil Kumar Verma

The confrontation between social activist Anna Hazare and the
government on the Lokpal Bill took a turn for the worse on Monday
with the former giving a call to his supporters to fill jails all
over the country if he is arrested on Tuesday.

Mr. Hazare was denied permission by the Delhi Police to stage his
fast here as his team refused to comply with all 22 conditions they
laid.

Addressing journalists here after Prime Minister Manmohan Singh
criticised him for resorting to a fast as a protest when Parliament
was seized of the Lokpal Bill, the anti-corruption crusader said he
would go to the JP Park, the venue of his fast, even though the
police had imposed prohibitory orders.

"I am given to understand that I will be refused permission. We will
go there. If I am arrested, I will continue my hunger strike in jail.
If I am released, I will go back to the venue and continue the fast.
This will go on,'' Mr. Hazare said. He gave a "lights off'' call
throughout the country to reflect the "darkness in the hearts of the
poor, deprived and dispossessed people.''

He said that once he was arrested, people should fill the jails in
every village.

Accusing the Prime Minister of speaking the same language as his
Cabinet colleague Kapil Sibal, Mr. Hazare said he was sure that if a
strong Lokpal was created there would be a 60 per cent end to
corruption.

Before his news conference, the 74-year-old activist made a surprise
visit to the Rajghat taking the police unawares. He said he went
there for "introspection.''

While senior United Progressive Alliance Ministers defended the
decision to withhold permission to Mr. Hazare as "necessary,'' the
Opposition Bharatiya Janata Party slammed the government for
"scuttling all voices of dissent.''

CPI (M) leader Brinda Karat said one may or may not agree with Mr.
Hazare and his team on the Lokpal Bill but no one can question their
right to protest.

Activist Arvind Kejriwal said the government's action was
"autocratic.''

Lawyer Prashant Bhushan said they would move the court on Tuesday
against the decision of the Delhi Police.

Karnataka Lokayukta Santosh Hegde, who is also a member of the Team
Anna's core team, said the government's action showed that it was
"nervous."

Aruna Roy, Nikhil Dey and Shankar Singh of the Mazdoor Kisan Shakti
Sangathan also condemned the refusal of permission to Mr. Hazare.

HT Correspondents, Hindustan Times

New Delhi, August 15, 2011
First Published: 23:26 IST(15/8/2011)
Last Updated: 01:25 IST(16/8/2011)

Police firm, Anna faces arrest

With social activist Anna Hazare and his camp refusing to accept six
of the 22 conditions set by the Delhi Police for his fast to press
for a lokpal bill drafted by them, his arrest seemed imminent.

Late Monday, 50 of Hazare's supporters were detained for gathering at
the proposed JP Park venue of the protest for violating prohibitory
orders, the police said.

A lokpal bill incorporating several suggestions by the Anna Camp is
currently in Parliament but the activists said nothing less than a
complete acceptance of their version is acceptable. 

"We will march to JP Park tomorrow morning and if arrested, I will
fast in custody. When I am released, I will go there again to start
my fast," Hazare declared at a press conference, dubbed as an
"address to the nation".

Delhi Police spokesperson Rajan Bhagat said, "We have denied them
permission to protest at JP Park. Section 144 that restricts a
gathering of people has been imposed at the park and all roads
leading to it. If anyone tries to defy the orders, the punishment can
vary from preventive custody to arrest."

The police told the Anna Camp that their agitation in JP Park near
ITO, it couldn't be allowed for more than three days.

When the Anna Camp insisted on permission for an indefinite period,
the police offered a venue in Burari on the outskirts of the city,
which Hazare turned down.

All other conditions set for the agitation are common to gatherings
in the city and guided by various court orders.

Concluding an afternoon filled with drama, Hazare exhorted all
Indians to join him in jail as he could be arrested.

"Lakhs of people will rise in my support in villages across India,
and there will be a jail bharo (fill prisons) agitation." Describing
the country's independence as fake and inadequate, Hazare said its
time for a "second independence struggle".

Hazare earlier visited Rajghat, the resting place of Mahatma Gandhi,
for a "meditation".

At a press conference later, Hazare thanked the media for supporting
his movement.

"The media is the fourth pillar of democracy," he said, adding that
he is willing to "fetch water in Kapil Sibal's house" if the lokpal
bill suggested by him does not bring down corruption by "60 to 65%".

Hazare however said his fight is not restricted to a lokpal but for a
systemic transformation.

Elaborating, he said, "Eighty percent of Indians earn R20 or less a
day. Others are earning several thousands every day," adding that the
country is "being run by industrialists.

Therefore, what we require is a systemic transformation, not merely a
change of government."

He said he respected Parliament but asked why "this sacred place has
tainted people".

http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/Print/733700.aspx

Published: August 15, 2011 20:48 IST
Updated: August 16, 2011 04:15 IST 

Anna Hazare calls for 'jail bharo'

Gargi Parsai

Social activist Anna Hazare during his visit to Rajghat on Monday on
the eve of his hunger strike for a stronger Lokpal Bill. Photo:
Sushil Kumar Verma

The confrontation between social activist Anna Hazare and the
government on the Lokpal Bill took a turn for the worse on Monday
with the former giving a call to his supporters to fill jails all
over the country if he is arrested on Tuesday.

Mr. Hazare was denied permission by the Delhi Police to stage his
fast here as his team refused to comply with all 22 conditions they
laid.

Addressing journalists here after Prime Minister Manmohan Singh
criticised him for resorting to a fast as a protest when Parliament
was seized of the Lokpal Bill, the anti-corruption crusader said he
would go to the JP Park, the venue of his fast, even though the
police had imposed prohibitory orders.

"I am given to understand that I will be refused permission. We will
go there. If I am arrested, I will continue my hunger strike in jail.
If I am released, I will go back to the venue and continue the fast.
This will go on,'' Mr. Hazare said. He gave a "lights off'' call
throughout the country to reflect the "darkness in the hearts of the
poor, deprived and dispossessed people.''

He said that once he was arrested, people should fill the jails in
every village.

Accusing the Prime Minister of speaking the same language as his
Cabinet colleague Kapil Sibal, Mr. Hazare said he was sure that if a
strong Lokpal was created there would be a 60 per cent end to
corruption.

Before his news conference, the 74-year-old activist made a surprise
visit to the Rajghat taking the police unawares. He said he went
there for "introspection.''

While senior United Progressive Alliance Ministers defended the
decision to withhold permission to Mr. Hazare as "necessary,'' the
Opposition Bharatiya Janata Party slammed the government for
"scuttling all voices of dissent.''

CPI (M) leader Brinda Karat said one may or may not agree with Mr.
Hazare and his team on the Lokpal Bill but no one can question their
right to protest.

Activist Arvind Kejriwal said the government's action was
"autocratic.''

Lawyer Prashant Bhushan said they would move the court on Tuesday
against the decision of the Delhi Police.

Karnataka Lokayukta Santosh Hegde, who is also a member of the Team
Anna's core team, said the government's action showed that it was
"nervous."

Aruna Roy, Nikhil Dey and Shankar Singh of the Mazdoor Kisan Shakti
Sangathan also condemned the refusal of permission to Mr. Hazare.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article2359459.ece?homepage=true

India against corruption: PM holds huddle leaving out key Sonia aides

TNN
Aug 16, 2011, 02.47AM IST

Indraprasth aka New Delhi - Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Monday
seemed to be taking charge of Congress's counter-offensive against
Anna Hazare by holding a huddle with senior party leaders, including
Rahul Gandhi and finance minister Pranab Mukherjee. 

The rare initiative came just after the flag-hoisting ceremony at
Congress headquarters, and was at variance with the perception that
Singh, with the exception of his insistence on pushing the Indo-US
nuclear deal through, has been content following the party's lead. 

Information and broadcasting minister Ambika Soni and general
secretary Janardan Dwivedi were part of the deliberations which,
among other things, focused on assessing how the confrontation with
civil society might play out in the media. 

The unusual display of leadership on a political issue came against
the backdrop of the assessment in Congress about the divide between
PMO and party brass on how to tackle the challenge from Anna's camp. 

The remarkable feature of the impromptu conclave was the exclusion of
two of Sonia Gandhi's most trusted aides - defence minister A K
Antony and the Congress chief's political secretary Ahmed Patel. Both
Antony and Patel were present at the AICC when Singh started the
consultations. The duo could not get out of the premises because of
the security bandobast SPG had put in place for the PM and had to
wait in social justice minister Mukul Wasnik's room till Singh and
his chosen few ended the deliberations. 

The composition of what was instantly termed the PM's own "core
group" stunned AICC watchers. 

Antony is a member of the elite bodies - Cabinet committees on
political affairs, and security. Significantly, his name featured on
the top of the 'group of four' named by Sonia to look after
organizational affairs in her absence. 

The PM's initiative is significant against the growing backdrop of
growing perception in AICC circles about a disconnect between the PMO
and Congress leadership on how to deal with Anna's campaign.
Ministers like Kapil Sibal, who are considered to be advising the PM,
are for an aggressive response, whereas significant sections in the
party favour a politically calibrated approach. 

There are misgivings in the party over the frontal assault party
spokesperson Manish Tewari was instructed to launch on the Gandhian.
Although party circles acknowledge that the provocation came from the
Anna group, they feel the party should have refrained from targeting
Anna personally. As against this, elements in the government are
against holding fire in the hostilities with civil society. 

Amid a sense of puzzlement in the Congress over the aggression on
Saturday, senior party sources stressed that they don't favour
personal attacks. "Hazare has made unwarranted attacks on Congress
instead of focusing on government and others. However, we will not
stoop to that level and let incivility mar our response," a senior
party office-bearer said.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/PM-holds-huddle-on-Anna-campaign-leaving-out-key-Sonia-aides/articleshow/9617001.cms

India against corruption: 50 supporters of Hazare detained at fast venue

PTI
Aug 16, 2011, 12.09AM IST

Indraprasth aka New Delhi - At least 50 supporters of Anna Hazare
were tonight detained by Delhi police at Jai Prakash Narain Park, the
venue of the anti-graft crusader's planned fast from tomorrow, for
defying prohibitory orders clamped in the area. 

The supporters of the Gandhian were taken in a police bus to a nearby
police station, police said. Hazare has been denied permission by
Delhi police to hold his fast at JPN park. 

They had gathered ahead of Hazare's fast for a strong Lokpal bill to
express solidarity with him. 

Delhi Police spokesperson Rajan Bhagat said prohibitory orders under
Section 144 CrPC in some areas of Daryaganj and IP police stations in
Central Delhi, which include Jai Prakash Narain Park and Shaheed
Park, were clamped this evening. The section prohibits the assembly
of five or more people in one place. 

The areas where prohibitory orders have been imposed include
Shantivan to Rajghat, Rajghat to Jawahar Lal Nehru Marg, Aruna Asaf
Ali Marg to JLN Marg, Delhi Gate to Tilak Marg on Bahadurshah Zafar
Marg. 

The orders came following police denying permission to Hazare to hold
the protest at the park after organisers refused to give an
undertaking restricting the number of protest days to three and
protestors to 5,000. 

A large contingent of police, including women personnel, have been
deployed around JPN Park to ensure that no untoward incident takes
place. 

Delhi Police meanwhile sought the services of two magistrates from
the city government. 

Sources said Delhi Police have requested principal secretary (home)
of the city government to provide them with two magistrates whose
services might be required to handle the law and order situation
during the proposed protest. 

Top officials also reviewed the situation at Police Headquarters. 

Union Home Secretary RK Singh held a meeting with Delhi Police
Commissioner BK Gupta and other senior officials at the Police
Headquarters here to take stock of the measures taken by the force to
tackle any untoward situation.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/India-against-corruption-50-supporters-of-Hazare-detained-at-fast-venue/articleshow/9615987.cms

Delhi Police plans 'Gandhigiri'

By Pramod Kumar Singh
The Pioneer
Tuesday, August 16, 2011

Unarmed, but ready to put the Gandhian and supporters behind bars 

Indraprasth aka New Delhi - With Anna Hazare and his colleagues being
denied permission for their proposed fast at Jai Prakash Narayan
Park, battle lines have been drawn. However, the Delhi Police plans
to score brownie points with the people by adopting 'Gandhian
methods' of maintaining law and order. 

Anna and his supporters will be taken into custody by the Delhi
Police if they try to enter Jai Prakash Narayan Park on Tuesday
morning. However, senior Delhi Police officials said that officers of
Delhi Police detailed for the duty would be unarmed and maximum
restraint would be exercised in dealing with the situation.

However, it is unlikely that this will be the only line of deployment
for disallowing protests by Hazare and his group. The Delhi Police
has already deployed a large number of moveable barricades in Central
and New Delhi districts to prevent Anna and his supporters from going
to the announced place. The anti-riot first battalion of the armed
police would be on standby. "However, the police manning the
barricades would all be unarmed and request protesters not to move
further," informed a Delhi Police officer.

Special Branch of the Delhi Police has reported that those coming to
JP Park are expected to be peaceful and there was little likelihood
of violence. But the situation could change if Anna and his
supporters decided to move to any other venue and needed protection,
a senior Delhi Police official said.

The Delhi Police have chalked out an elaborate plan after Union Home
Secretary RK Singh visited the Delhi Police Headquarters on Monday
afternoon to review the situation as a showdown between the Team Anna
and the police appears inevitable. Intelligence wing of the Delhi
Police has cautioned the Central and New Delhi district police that
Anna and his supporters could spring a last minute surprise and could
go either to Rajghat or Jantar Mantar or even to 10 Janpath, the
residence of Congress president Sonia Gandhi. 

Delhi Police officers said that they could very well block entry to
all these places if the situation so demanded and any attempt to
breach the police cordon would be "dealt in a firm albeit peaceful
manner."

"Since Section 144 has been imposed in Central district, no assembly
of people would be allowed near the park," the official added. 

The imposition of section 144 would mean that protests at the nearby
Ramlila Maidan and Rajghat would also not be allowed. Sources said
that Union Home Secretary asked Delhi Police Commissioner BK Gupta to
be careful while planning security arrangements and handle Tuesday
protest with minimum use of force. 

"The Delhi Police has taken several measures to avoid a Ramlila
Maidan like situation," the official added. The Delhi Police used a
heavy hand to evict the supporters of Baba Ramdev in June after the
negotiations between the Government and the Yog Guru failed to reach
conclusion.

In a significant development, the Delhi Government has permitted the
Delhi Police to use Chhatrasal Stadium as a makeshift jail to house
Anna Hazare and his supporters after they are arrested. The Delhi
Police has requested the Delhi Government to provide either
Chhatrasal stadium or the State Guest House 33 Shamnath Marg on
Alipur Road for using it as temporary jail. Chief Secretary PK
Tripathi, Home Principal Secretary Arvind Ray and DG Prisons Neeraj
Kumar were present in the meeting.

Meanwhile, when asked why permission was denied to Anna Hazare in the
first place, Joint Commissioner of Police, Northern Range, Sudhir
Yadav told The Pioneer, "The Supreme Court has very clearly set
guidelines about such type of fasts and sit-ins. They refused to
comply with our six major conditions out of 22, the permission was
accordingly denied. Now any move to hold a protest near JP Park will
be dealt according to the provisions of law." When asked whether the
Delhi Police could go for preventive arrests to prevent Anna and his
supporters from going to JP Park, the Joint CP replied in negative.
He said, "There is no need as the Delhi Police was capable of
handling any situation that may emerge on Tuesday morning. Central
district police has requisitioned buses to move Anna and his
supporters in the event of them being detained for violating
prohibitory orders." 

http://www.dailypioneer.com/361100/Delhi-Police-plans-Gandhigiri.html

Anna Hazare to begin fast today, people across India switch off
lights in support

ITGD Bureau
August 15, 2011 - 19:04

Anna Hazare addresses media in New Delhi on Monday.

Indraprasth aka New Delhi - Anna Hazare is all set for a full blown
confrontation with the government on the Lokpal Bill, giving a call
to his supporters to fill up jails all over the country if he is
arrested on Tuesday after he was denied permission to hold indefinite
fast in the national capital.

Addressing a press conference after Prime Minister Manmohan Singh
slammed him for resorting to fast as a protest when Parliament was
seized of the Lokpal bill, the Gandhian said he will go to J P park
on Tuesday, the venue of his fast even though Delhi police has
imposed prohibitory orders.

"My mission begins tomorrow, we have a long fight ahead," Hazare
said.

"I come to understand that I will be refused permission. We will go
there. If I am arrested, I will continue my hunger strike in the
jail. If I am released, I will go back to the venue and this circle
will continue," he said at a 30-minute press conference that came to
an end to coincide with his "lights-off" call throughout the country
from 8 pm.

He said once he is arrested, people should fill up the jails in every
village across the country. "Going to jail for the country is no
crime...It is a decoration," he said.

He accused the Prime Minister of "speaking" the language of his
ministerial colleague Kapil Sibal saying that the Lokpal bill was
before Parliament which will take the call.

Before his press conference, the 73-year old activist made an
unscheduled visit to Rajghat, where he sat in meditation. Soon after
the news of his being at the Gandhi Samadhi, hundreds of supporters
gathered around him.

Earlier in the day, Delhi Police refused permission to Gandhian and
his supporters saying that team Hazare have refused to give an
undertaking on restricting the number of days of protest and
protesters besides four other conditions.

Sudhir Yadav, Joint Commissioner of Police (Northern Range), said
anybody assembling at the Park on Tuesday would face legal action.

"We have denied the permission. Nobody is supposed to come to the
park. If somebody comes there, it is unlawful. They will be handled
according to law. If they do that, it is violation of law," Yadav
said as police prepared to lock down the grounds.

Union Home Secretary R K Singh reviewed the situation with Delhi
Police Commissioner B K Gupta and other top officials at the police
headquarters.

Hazare's protest on Tuesday is in pursuit of his campaign for a
strong Lokpal that will have under its ambit Prime Minister, higher
judiciary, conduct of MPs in Parliament and other provisions. The
bill introduced in Parliament excludes these institutions.

In his speech at the Red Fort on Monday morning, the Prime Minister
decried Hazare going on fast and said Parliament alone will decide on
Lokpal and those having grievances should approach Parliamentary
Committees for airing their views.

At his press conference, Hazare said corruption has crossed all
limits and is all pervasive in various sectors, including education
and jobs.

He said even after Jan Lokpal is passed, there is no guarantee that
corruption will be eliminated 100 per cent but he was confident that
it would end at least up to 60-65 per cent. "If it does not happen, I
am ready to serve water at Kapil Sibal's house," he said.

Hazare said the fight against corruption has just begin and will not
stop even if Lokpal bill passed. The struggle for the change will
continue and it is a long battle, he said.

"It is now a fight to the finish," he said, adding they were not for
pulling down the government but if falls in the process, they don't
care.

He also said his protest will be non-violent because non-violence was
a powerful weapon.

Referring to the Prime Minister's remarks that the Lokpal bill was
before Parliament, he said "We have to accept Parliament. We have
trust in Parliament but the bill that has gone before it is not
proper."

The activist said the provisions like appointment and removal of
Lokpal were serious issues on which government made promises but
suddenly it changed its stand and "betrayed us".

Speaking about repeated assertions from the government's side that he
was undermining democracy, he said, "Don't we know democracy? Is
democracy only wining elections after spending money. Four MPs are in
jail and there are charges against nearly 150 others."

Hazare said government was working only for big industrialists
acquiring lands from farmers and was not working for the poor.

- With PTI inputs

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/story/lokpal-bill-anna-hazare-addresses-media/1/148140.html

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Congress's mismanaged mess

By Kalyani Shankar
Op-Ed
The Pioneer
http://www.dailypioneer.com
Friday, August 19, 2011

The only reason why Anna Hazare, who till recently was unknown
outside Maharashtra, has attained the status of a national hero is
because the UPA Government has repeatedly mishandled his agitation

If anyone is to be blamed for the sudden larger-than-life persona of
civil society leader Anna Hazare, it is the Government for it allowed
him to assume such a role. Four months ago, Anna Hazare did not even
have a fraction of the popularity he enjoys today. In fact, he was
barely known outside of Maharashtra. He also had no Team Anna.

But then, Anna Hazare seized the issue of ‘aam admi' based on which
the Congress had come to power in 2004 and again in 2009. This made
it difficult for the Congress as it could be seen fighting anyone but
simply not the aam admi.

However, the defining moment of Anna Hazare's movement was the day he
was arrested and sent to jail. At that moment, the fight moved from
the Lokpal Bill to the citizen's right to protest which gathered him
enormous support. The one telling picture of Anna Hazare meditating
in Rajghat also added to his cause. That is when his popularity
increased manifold and he became a larger than life persona.

Of course, the electronic media also built him overnight as one
comparable to Mahatma Gandhi and Jayaprakash Narayan, and his
movement against corruption is now likened to freedom struggle of
yesteryears.

So the question is could his arrest have been avoided? The answer to
that is yes. The Government could have handled Anna Hazare case with
more sensitivity. If his arrest was a surprise, his release too has
raised many eyebrows. Many would think that now if the genie is out
of the bottle, it cannot be put back.

But arresting Anna Hazare was not the first mistake the Government
had committed. Starting from April when Anna Hazare was fasting at
Jantar Mantar, the Government had committed a series of one faux pas,
one after the other.

First, the Government gave him legitimacy when he initially started
talking about corruption. As the NDA convenor Sharad Yadav pointed
out that while the Opposition had been discussing corruption and
price rise, the Government gave Anna Hazare credibility by
negotiating with him and his team. The Prime Minister met him, Ms
Sonia Gandhi appealed to him to not go on a fast and finally, the
Government in a knee-jerk reaction invited Team Anna to participate
in the joint drafting committee on the Lokpal Bill. The Government in
fact went all out to engage the Team Anna.

The next mistake was not handling the whole thing as a political
issue but treating it as a legal issue instead. Political problems
have to be dealt with political tact. But the Ministers in charge
only talked in legal terms while Team Anna went ahead and mobilised
public support. Then, when the Government tried to project Team Anna
as one that was dictating terms to Parliament, the Opposition saw it
fit to side with Team Anna in both Houses of Parliament. By now to
the dismay of the Government, the focus had shifted from the Lokpal
Bill to that of a citizen's right to protest peacefully. The
Opposition had also united in blaming the treasury benches for
mishandling the Anna Hazare issue.

The Government's third mistake was its failure to communicate to the
public the rationale behind its decision to arrest Anna Hazare and
his aides. This was despite the fact that a high profile group of
Ministers had been put in charge. Team Anna, on the other hand, was
not only media-savvy but also use the latest information technology
including Twitter and Facebook to gain public sympathy. They even
smartly recorded Anna Hazare's message on Youtube, even before he was
arrested and televised the message as soon as he was taken into
custody. In fact, the team has won the media war to a large extent
for its ability to anticipate future events.

The Government's fourth mistake was perhaps to ‘realise' that Anna
Hazare was corrupt much after it had engaged Team Anna and involved
it in the drafting of the Lokpal Bill. They dug out the old 2003
Justice Sawant report that alleged that Anna Hazare was corrupt. This
personal vilification of Anna Hazare backfired to a large extent with
the result that Mr Rahul Gandhi had to step in and make sure that
there were no more personal attack on Team Anna. The fifth mistake
was that after arresting Anna Hazare, the Government could have
released him instead of allowing him seek bail. Since Anna Hazare
refused to seek bail, he had to be lodged in Tihar Jail along with
Suresh Kalmadi and A Raja. The Government did ultimately release him
but if it had done this sooner, then it could have saved face.

So, with the Government not willing to yield and Team Anna, goaded on
by huge public support, will there be any movement forward? For now,
Anna Hazare has won the first two rounds -- first, by finding his
team a place on the joint drafting committee and the second round by
forcing the Government to release him from jail. The Prime Minister
has thrown up his hands saying he has no magical wand but if his
Government is serious about tackling corruption, then it has to do
better in handling this crisis. It should view this as a golden
opportunity to rebuild its corruption-tainted image.

http://dailypioneer.com/361766/Congresss-mismanaged-mess.html

More at:
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Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> In article <2b2f5cc4-7e30-49a5-8fbe-***@j1g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
>
> Mirza Ghalib <***@gmx.com> posted:
> > . . .
> > . . . In today's India it just $4000,
> > and buys just a little more than what it would in the
> > USA. You know what $4000 buys in USA. . . .
>
> How things have changed over the decades!
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> > Forwarded post from S. D.
> >
> > Sunday, August 14, 2011
> >
> > Massive numbers showed in March in US for Anna Hazare in India Day
> > Parade in New Jersey, USA
> >
> > see videos and photos links at the end... please forward to all email
> > lists and post in your blogs and websites.
> >
> > it is a great event by all young people in usa.  india's young is
> > rising and change has to come.  anna's record of service, his
> > sacrifice,  is catching the imagination of all indians both in india
> > and abroad.  let us pray and hope the country will turn around.
> >
> > PRESS RELEASE
> >
> > India Against Corruption
> >
> > Massive numbers showed in March for Anna Hazare in India Day Parade
> > at New Jersey, USA
> >
> > August 14, 2011. Iselin, NJ.  The Indian Independence Day Parade was
> > greeted by torrential rain and indomitable spirit of 150 volunteers
> > of India Against Corruption adorning Anna Topi. Bollywood stars,
> > Major business groups, Tourism industry, Religions groups, Television
> > channels etc. participate in this parade organized by Indian Business
> > Association, NJ. This New Jersey Independence day parade is a major
> > annual event that attracts about 10 thousand people for the parade.
> > The India Against Corruption contingent was the largest group of the
> > whole parade.
> >
> > The volunteers braved severe weather and walked for about 2 hours in
> > the rain. People from all walks of life -- technologists, engineers,
> > business men, doctors, students etc. joined the parade. Old men,
> > women, pregnant women, kids as young as 5 years old, walked in the
> > rain. The volunteers were drenched and cold but their enthusiasm was
> > not dampened. Flyers were distributed to all the people watching the
> > parade. A sample poll of about 500 people watching the parade tallied
> > 95% support for Anna Hazare’s movement. Volunteers were carrying
> > slogans in support of Anna Hazare and Jan Lokpal. Volunteers also
> > sang "Hum Honge Kam Yaab" in front of the main stage. The spirit was
> > so contagious that the passers-by joined them too.  Many volunteers
> > were carrying placards saying -- "I am Anna" in various languages
> > like Hindi, English, Telugu, Tamil, Marathi etc.  The message also
> > said "It is not one Anna. We are Thousands". This was to symbolize
> > the spirit of nationalism that Anna has evoked in common man.
> >
> > This event was covered by major television channels. The volunteers
> > in the parade, common people who joined to IAC, were interviewed by
> > Television and media reporters. Isha, 10 years old was asked by one
> > of the representative in hindi what this movement was about and she
> > said that this was about supporting Anna Hazare who was fight
> > corruption in India.  She also said she supported the movement whole-
> > heartedly.
> >
> > The chants of vande maataram and Jai Hind boomed through the crowd,
> > echoing the patriotic fervor of the participants. The message of the
> > parade was to express the greatness of India and to communicate that
> > the country can be the greatest if we eradicate corruption.  One of
> > successful local commercial realtor was complementing IAC volunteers
> > after the parade and said that the economic growth of our country was
> > great but it could be much greater if not for corruption.
> >
> > One of the slogans in the parade was -- "Anna Hazare -- Desh Tere
> > saath hai!  Videsh Tere saath hai!!". There are a lot of other events
> > being held across the globe on Aug 14, 2011 to mark the Global
> > Solidarity Day declared by IAC. The enthusiasm and support shown by
> > NRIs for India is bound to inspire people in India.  The parade ended
> > with all the volunteers singing the Indian National Anthem drenched
> > in rain and standing in attention.
> >
> > This was an event of the common man, by the common man and for the
> > common man -- a reflection of true democracy, an event in support of
> > Jan Lokpal bill and Anna Hazare.
> >
> > Additional Video and Photo links for the event:
> >
> > YouTube:
> >
> >
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I8WT5CNlbA&feature=autoplay&list=PL37ABA3F393
> 93C492
> >
> > Pictures:
> >
> >
> https://picasaweb.google.com/110804064056852150979/2011AugAnna?authuser=0&aut
> hkey=Gv1sRgCNThkNrniKyFuAE&feat=directlink
> >
> > Faith is the bird that feels the light and sings when the dawn is
> > still dark. - R. Tagore
> >
> > End of forwarded post from S. D.
>
> Forwarded message from S. Kalyanaraman
>
> Anna Hazare fast and Sonia Govt's counter moves
>
> http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com/2011/08/anna-hazare-fast-and-sonia-govts.ht
> ml
>
> Anna Hazare fast and Sonia Govt's counter moves
>
> Published: August 15, 2011 20:48 IST
> Updated: August 16, 2011 04:15 IST 
>
> Anna Hazare calls for 'jail bharo'
>
> Gargi Parsai
>
> Social activist Anna Hazare during his visit to Rajghat on Monday on
> the eve of his hunger strike for a stronger Lokpal Bill. Photo:
> Sushil Kumar Verma
>
> The confrontation between social activist Anna Hazare and the
> government on the Lokpal Bill took a turn for the worse on Monday
> with the former giving a call to his supporters to fill jails all
> over the country if he is arrested on Tuesday.
>
> Mr. Hazare was denied permission by the Delhi Police to stage his
> fast here as his team refused to comply with all 22 conditions they
> laid.
>
> Addressing journalists here after Prime Minister Manmohan Singh
> criticised him for resorting to a fast as a protest when Parliament
> was seized of the Lokpal Bill, the anti-corruption crusader said he
> would go to the JP Park, the venue of his fast, even though the
> police had imposed prohibitory orders.
>
> "I am given to understand that I will be refused permission. We will
> go there. If I am arrested, I will continue my hunger strike in jail.
> If I am released, I will go back to the venue and continue the fast.
> This will go on,'' Mr. Hazare said. He gave a "lights off'' call
> throughout the country to reflect the "darkness in the hearts of the
> poor, deprived and dispossessed people.''
>
> He said that once he was arrested, people should fill the jails in
> every village.
>
> Accusing the Prime Minister of speaking the same language as his
> Cabinet colleague Kapil Sibal, Mr. Hazare said he was sure that if a
> strong Lokpal was created there would be a 60 per cent end to
> corruption.
>
> Before his news conference, the 74-year-old activist made a surprise
> visit to the Rajghat taking the police unawares. He said he went
> there for "introspection.''
>
> While senior United Progressive Alliance Ministers defended the
> decision to withhold permission to Mr. Hazare as "necessary,'' the
> Opposition Bharatiya Janata Party slammed the government for
> "scuttling all voices of dissent.''
>
> CPI (M) leader Brinda Karat said one may or may not agree with Mr.
> Hazare and his team on the Lokpal Bill but no one can question their
> right to protest.
>
> Activist Arvind Kejriwal said the government's action was
> "autocratic.''
>
> Lawyer Prashant Bhushan said they would move the court on Tuesday
> against the decision of the Delhi Police.
>
> Karnataka Lokayukta Santosh Hegde, who is also a member of the Team
> Anna's core team, said the government's action showed that it was
> "nervous."
>
> Aruna Roy, Nikhil Dey and Shankar Singh of the Mazdoor Kisan Shakti
> Sangathan also condemned the refusal of permission to Mr. Hazare.
>
> HT Correspondents, Hindustan Times
>
> New Delhi, August 15, 2011
> First Published: 23:26 IST(15/8/2011)
> Last Updated: 01:25 IST(16/8/2011)
>
> Police firm, Anna faces arrest
>
> With social activist Anna Hazare and his camp refusing to accept six
> of the 22 conditions set by the Delhi Police for his fast to press
> for a lokpal bill drafted by them, his arrest seemed imminent.
>
> Late Monday, 50 of Hazare's supporters were detained for gathering at
> the proposed JP Park venue of the protest for violating prohibitory
> orders, the police said.
>
> A lokpal bill incorporating several suggestions by the Anna Camp is
> currently in Parliament but the activists said nothing less than a
> complete acceptance of their version is acceptable. 
>
> "We will march to JP Park tomorrow morning and if arrested, I will
> fast in custody. When I am released, I will go there again to start
> my fast," Hazare declared at a press conference, dubbed as an
> "address to the nation".
>
> Delhi Police spokesperson Rajan Bhagat said, "We have denied them
> permission to protest at JP Park. Section 144 that restricts a
> gathering of people has been imposed at the park and all roads
> leading to it. If anyone tries to defy the orders, the punishment can
> vary from preventive custody to arrest."
>
> The police told the Anna Camp that their agitation in JP Park near
> ITO, it couldn't be allowed for more than three days.
>
> When the Anna Camp insisted on permission for an indefinite period,
> the police offered a venue in Burari on the outskirts of the city,
> which Hazare turned down.
>
> All other conditions set for the agitation are common to gatherings
> in the city and guided by various court orders.
>
> Concluding an afternoon filled with drama, Hazare exhorted all
> Indians to join him in jail as he could be arrested.
>
> "Lakhs of people will rise in my support in villages across India,
> and there will be a jail bharo (fill prisons) agitation." Describing
> the country's independence as fake and inadequate, Hazare said its
> time for a "second independence struggle".
>
> Hazare earlier visited Rajghat, the resting place of Mahatma Gandhi,
> for a "meditation".
>
> At a press conference later, Hazare thanked the media for supporting
> his movement.
>
> "The media is the fourth pillar of democracy," he said, adding that
> he is willing to "fetch water in Kapil Sibal's house" if the lokpal
> bill suggested by him does not bring down corruption by "60 to 65%".
>
> Hazare however said his fight is not restricted to a lokpal but for a
> systemic transformation.
>
> Elaborating, he said, "Eighty percent of Indians earn R20 or less a
> day. Others are earning several thousands every day," adding that the
> country is "being run by industrialists.
>
> Therefore, what we require is a systemic transformation, not merely a
> change of government."
>
> He said he respected Parliament but asked why "this sacred place has
> tainted people".
>
> http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/Print/733700.aspx
>
> Published: August 15, 2011 20:48 IST
> Updated: August 16, 2011 04:15 IST 
>
> Anna Hazare calls for 'jail bharo'
>
> Gargi Parsai
>
> Social activist Anna Hazare during his visit to Rajghat on Monday on
> the eve of his hunger strike for a stronger Lokpal Bill. Photo:
> Sushil Kumar Verma
>
> The confrontation between social activist Anna Hazare and the
> government on the Lokpal Bill took a turn for the worse on Monday
> with the former giving a call to his supporters to fill jails all
> over the country if he is arrested on Tuesday.
>
> Mr. Hazare was denied permission by the Delhi Police to stage his
> fast here as his team refused to comply with all 22 conditions they
> laid.
>
> Addressing journalists here after Prime Minister Manmohan Singh
> criticised him for resorting to a fast as a protest when Parliament
> was seized of the Lokpal Bill, the anti-corruption crusader said he
> would go to the JP Park, the venue of his fast, even though the
> police had imposed prohibitory orders.
>
> "I am given to understand that I will be refused permission. We will
> go there. If I am arrested, I will continue my hunger strike in jail.
> If I am released, I will go back to the venue and continue the fast.
> This will go on,'' Mr. Hazare said. He gave a "lights off'' call
> throughout the country to reflect the "darkness in the hearts of the
> poor, deprived and dispossessed people.''
>
> He said that once he was arrested, people should fill the jails in
> every village.
>
> Accusing the Prime Minister of speaking the same language as his
> Cabinet colleague Kapil Sibal, Mr. Hazare said he was sure that if a
> strong Lokpal was created there would be a 60 per cent end to
> corruption.
>
> Before his news conference, the 74-year-old activist made a surprise
> visit to the Rajghat taking the police unawares. He said he went
> there for "introspection.''
>
> While senior United Progressive Alliance Ministers defended the
> decision to withhold permission to Mr. Hazare as "necessary,'' the
> Opposition Bharatiya Janata Party slammed the government for
> "scuttling all voices of dissent.''
>
> CPI (M) leader Brinda Karat said one may or may not agree with Mr.
> Hazare and his team on the Lokpal Bill but no one can question their
> right to protest.
>
> Activist Arvind Kejriwal said the government's action was
> "autocratic.''
>
> Lawyer Prashant Bhushan said they would move the court on Tuesday
> against the decision of the Delhi Police.
>
> Karnataka Lokayukta Santosh Hegde, who is also a member of the Team
> Anna's core team, said the government's action showed that it was
> "nervous."
>
> Aruna Roy, Nikhil Dey and Shankar Singh of the Mazdoor Kisan Shakti
> Sangathan also condemned the refusal of permission to Mr. Hazare.
>
> http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article2359459.ece?homepage=true
>
> India against corruption: PM holds huddle leaving out key Sonia aides
>
> TNN
> Aug 16, 2011, 02.47AM IST
>
> Indraprasth aka New Delhi - Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Monday
> seemed to be taking charge of Congress's counter-offensive against
> Anna Hazare by holding a huddle with senior party leaders, including
> Rahul Gandhi and finance minister Pranab Mukherjee. 
>
> The rare initiative came just after the flag-hoisting ceremony at
> Congress headquarters, and was at variance with the perception that
> Singh, with the exception of his insistence on pushing the Indo-US
> nuclear deal through, has been content following the party's lead. 
>
> Information and broadcasting minister Ambika Soni and general
> secretary Janardan Dwivedi were part of the deliberations which,
> among other things, focused on assessing how the confrontation with
> civil society might play out in the media. 
>
> The unusual display of leadership on a political issue came against
> the backdrop of the assessment in Congress about the divide between
> PMO and party brass on how to tackle the challenge from Anna's camp. 
>
> The remarkable feature of the impromptu conclave was the exclusion of
> two of Sonia Gandhi's most trusted aides - defence minister A K
> Antony and the Congress chief's political secretary Ahmed Patel. Both
> Antony and Patel were present at the AICC when Singh started the
> consultations. The duo could not get out of the premises because of
> the security bandobast SPG had put in place for the PM and had to
> wait in social justice minister Mukul Wasnik's room till Singh and
> his chosen few ended the deliberations. 
>
> The composition of what was instantly termed the PM's own "core
> group" stunned AICC watchers. 
>
> Antony is a member of the elite bodies - Cabinet committees on
> political affairs, and security. Significantly, his name featured on
> the top of the 'group of four' named by Sonia to look after
> organizational affairs in her absence. 
>
> The PM's initiative is significant against the growing backdrop of
> growing perception in AICC circles about a disconnect between the PMO
> and Congress leadership on how to deal with Anna's campaign.
> Ministers like Kapil Sibal, who are considered to be advising the PM,
> are for an aggressive response, whereas significant sections in the
> party favour a politically calibrated approach. 
>
> There are misgivings in the party over the frontal assault party
> spokesperson Manish Tewari was instructed to launch on the Gandhian.
> Although party circles acknowledge that the provocation came from the
> Anna group, they feel the party should have refrained from targeting
> Anna personally. As against this, elements in the government are
> against holding fire in the hostilities with civil society. 
>
> Amid a sense of puzzlement in the Congress over the aggression on
> Saturday, senior party sources stressed that they don't favour
> personal attacks. "Hazare has made unwarranted attacks on Congress
> instead of focusing on government and others. However, we will not
> stoop to that level and let incivility mar our response," a senior
> party office-bearer said.
>
> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/PM-holds-huddle-on-Anna-campaign-leav
> ing-out-key-Sonia-aides/articleshow/9617001.cms
>
> India against corruption: 50 supporters of Hazare detained at fast venue
>
> PTI
> Aug 16, 2011, 12.09AM IST
>
> Indraprasth aka New Delhi - At least 50 supporters of Anna Hazare
> were tonight detained by Delhi police at Jai Prakash Narain Park, the
> venue of the anti-graft crusader's planned fast from tomorrow, for
> defying prohibitory orders clamped in the area. 
>
> The supporters of the Gandhian were taken in a police bus to a nearby
> police station, police said. Hazare has been denied permission by
> Delhi police to hold his fast at JPN park. 
>
> They had gathered ahead of Hazare's fast for a strong Lokpal bill to
> express solidarity with him. 
>
> Delhi Police spokesperson Rajan Bhagat said prohibitory orders under
> Section 144 CrPC in some areas of Daryaganj and IP police stations in
> Central Delhi, which include Jai Prakash Narain Park and Shaheed
> Park, were clamped this evening. The section prohibits the assembly
> of five or more people in one place. 
>
> The areas where prohibitory orders have been imposed include
> Shantivan to Rajghat, Rajghat to Jawahar Lal Nehru Marg, Aruna Asaf
> Ali Marg to JLN Marg, Delhi Gate to Tilak Marg on Bahadurshah Zafar
> Marg. 
>
> The orders came following police denying permission to Hazare to hold
> the protest at the park after organisers refused to give an
> undertaking restricting the number of protest days to three and
> protestors to 5,000. 
>
> A large contingent of police, including women personnel, have been
> deployed around JPN Park to ensure that no untoward incident takes
> place. 
>
> Delhi Police meanwhile sought the services of two magistrates from
> the city government. 
>
> Sources said Delhi Police have requested principal secretary (home)
> of the city government to provide them with two magistrates whose
> services might be required to handle the law and order situation
> during the proposed protest. 
>
> Top officials also reviewed the situation at Police Headquarters. 
>
> Union Home Secretary RK Singh held a meeting with Delhi Police
> Commissioner BK Gupta and other senior officials at the Police
> Headquarters here to take stock of the measures taken by the force to
> tackle any untoward situation.
>
> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/India-against-corruption-50-supporter
> s-of-Hazare-detained-at-fast-venue/articleshow/9615987.cms
>
> Delhi Police plans 'Gandhigiri'
>
> By Pramod Kumar Singh
> The Pioneer
> Tuesday, August 16, 2011
>
> Unarmed, but ready to put the Gandhian and supporters behind bars 
>
> Indraprasth aka New Delhi - With Anna Hazare and his colleagues being
> denied permission for their proposed fast at Jai Prakash Narayan
> Park, battle lines have been drawn. However, the Delhi Police plans
> to score brownie points with the people by adopting 'Gandhian
> methods' of maintaining law and order. 
>
> Anna and his supporters will be taken into custody by the Delhi
> Police if they try to enter Jai Prakash Narayan Park on Tuesday
> morning. However, senior Delhi Police officials said that officers of
> Delhi Police detailed for the duty would be unarmed and maximum
> restraint would be exercised in dealing with the situation.
>
> However, it is unlikely that this will be the only line of deployment
> for disallowing protests by Hazare and his group. The Delhi Police
> has already deployed a large number of moveable barricades in Central
> and New Delhi districts to prevent Anna and his supporters from going
> to the announced place. The anti-riot first battalion of the armed
> police would be on standby. "However, the police manning the
> barricades would all be unarmed and request protesters not to move
> further," informed a Delhi Police officer.
>
> Special Branch of the Delhi Police has reported that those coming to
> JP Park are expected to be peaceful and there was little likelihood
> of violence. But the situation could change if Anna and his
> supporters decided to move to any other venue and needed protection,
> a senior Delhi Police official said.
>
> The Delhi Police have chalked out an elaborate plan after Union Home
> Secretary RK Singh visited the Delhi Police Headquarters on Monday
> afternoon to review the situation as a showdown between the Team Anna
> and the police appears inevitable. Intelligence wing of the Delhi
> Police has cautioned the Central and New Delhi district police that
> Anna and his supporters could spring a last minute surprise and could
> go either to Rajghat or Jantar Mantar or even to 10 Janpath, the
> residence of Congress president Sonia Gandhi. 
>
> Delhi Police officers said that they could very well block entry to
> all these places if the situation so demanded and any attempt to
> breach the police cordon would be "dealt in a firm albeit peaceful
> manner."
>
> "Since Section 144 has been imposed in Central district, no assembly
> of people would be allowed near the park," the official added. 
>
> The imposition of section 144 would mean that protests at the nearby
> Ramlila Maidan and Rajghat would also not be allowed. Sources said
> that Union Home Secretary asked Delhi Police Commissioner BK Gupta to
> be careful while planning security arrangements and handle Tuesday
> protest with minimum use of force. 
>
> "The Delhi Police has taken several measures to avoid a Ramlila
> Maidan like situation," the official added. The Delhi Police used a
> heavy hand to evict the supporters of Baba Ramdev in June after the
> negotiations between the Government and the Yog Guru failed to reach
> conclusion.
>
> In a significant development, the Delhi Government has permitted the
> Delhi Police to use Chhatrasal Stadium as a makeshift jail to house
> Anna Hazare and his supporters after they are arrested. The Delhi
> Police has requested the Delhi Government to provide either
> Chhatrasal stadium or the State Guest House 33 Shamnath Marg on
> Alipur Road for using it as temporary jail. Chief Secretary PK
> Tripathi, Home Principal Secretary Arvind Ray and DG Prisons Neeraj
> Kumar were present in the meeting.
>
> Meanwhile, when asked why permission was denied to Anna Hazare in the
> first place, Joint Commissioner of Police, Northern Range, Sudhir
> Yadav told The Pioneer, "The Supreme Court has very clearly set
> guidelines about such type of fasts and sit-ins. They refused to
> comply with our six major conditions out of 22, the permission was
> accordingly denied. Now any move to hold a protest near JP Park will
> be dealt according to the provisions of law." When asked whether the
> Delhi Police could go for preventive arrests to prevent Anna and his
> supporters from going to JP Park, the Joint CP replied in negative.
> He said, "There is no need as the Delhi Police was capable of
> handling any situation that may emerge on Tuesday morning. Central
> district police has requisitioned buses to move Anna and his
> supporters in the event of them being detained for violating
> prohibitory orders." 
>
> http://www.dailypioneer.com/361100/Delhi-Police-plans-Gandhigiri.html
>
> Anna Hazare to begin fast today, people across India switch off
> lights in support
>
> ITGD Bureau
> August 15, 2011 - 19:04
>
> Anna Hazare addresses media in New Delhi on Monday.
>
> Indraprasth aka New Delhi - Anna Hazare is all set for a full blown
> confrontation with the government on the Lokpal Bill, giving a call
> to his supporters to fill up jails all over the country if he is
> arrested on Tuesday after he was denied permission to hold indefinite
> fast in the national capital.
>
> Addressing a press conference after Prime Minister Manmohan Singh
> slammed him for resorting to fast as a protest when Parliament was
> seized of the Lokpal bill, the Gandhian said he will go to J P park
> on Tuesday, the venue of his fast even though Delhi police has
> imposed prohibitory orders.
>
> "My mission begins tomorrow, we have a long fight ahead," Hazare
> said.
>
> "I come to understand that I will be refused permission. We will go
> there. If I am arrested, I will continue my hunger strike in the
> jail. If I am released, I will go back to the venue and this circle
> will continue," he said at a 30-minute press conference that came to
> an end to coincide with his "lights-off" call throughout the country
> from 8 pm.
>
> He said once he is arrested, people should fill up the jails in every
> village across the country. "Going to jail for the country is no
> crime...It is a decoration," he said.
>
> He accused the Prime Minister of "speaking" the language of his
> ministerial colleague Kapil Sibal saying that the Lokpal bill was
> before Parliament which will take the call.
>
> Before his press conference, the 73-year old activist made an
> unscheduled visit to Rajghat, where he sat in meditation. Soon after
> the news of his being at the Gandhi Samadhi, hundreds of supporters
> gathered around him.
>
> Earlier in the day, Delhi Police refused permission to Gandhian and
> his supporters saying that team Hazare have refused to give an
> undertaking on restricting the number of days of protest and
> protesters besides four other conditions.
>
> Sudhir Yadav, Joint Commissioner of Police (Northern Range), said
> anybody assembling at the Park on Tuesday would face legal action.
>
> "We have denied the permission. Nobody is supposed to come to the
> park. If somebody comes there, it is unlawful. They will be handled
> according to law. If they do that, it is violation of law," Yadav
> said as police prepared to lock down the grounds.
>
> Union Home Secretary R K Singh reviewed the situation with Delhi
> Police Commissioner B K Gupta and other top officials at the police
> headquarters.
>
> Hazare's protest on Tuesday is in pursuit of his campaign for a
> strong Lokpal that will have under its ambit Prime Minister, higher
> judiciary, conduct of MPs in Parliament and other provisions. The
> bill introduced in Parliament excludes these institutions.
>
> In his speech at the Red Fort on Monday morning, the Prime Minister
> decried Hazare going on fast and said Parliament alone will decide on
> Lokpal and those having grievances should approach Parliamentary
> Committees for airing their views.
>
> At his press conference, Hazare said corruption has crossed all
> limits and is all pervasive in various sectors, including education
> and jobs.
>
> He said even after Jan Lokpal is passed, there is no guarantee that
> corruption will be eliminated 100 per cent but he was confident that
> it would end at least up to 60-65 per cent. "If it does not happen, I
> am ready to serve water at Kapil Sibal's house," he said.
>
> Hazare said the fight against corruption has just begin and will not
> stop even if Lokpal bill passed. The struggle for the change will
> continue and it is a long battle, he said.
>
> "It is now a fight to the finish," he said, adding they were not for
> pulling down the government but if falls in the process, they don't
> care.
>
> He also said his protest will be non-violent because non-violence was
> a powerful weapon.
>
> Referring to the Prime Minister's remarks that the Lokpal bill was
> before Parliament, he said "We have to accept Parliament. We have
> trust in Parliament but the bill that has gone before it is not
> proper."
>
> The activist said the provisions like appointment and removal of
> Lokpal were serious issues on which government made promises but
> suddenly it changed its stand and "betrayed us".
>
> Speaking about repeated assertions from the government's side that he
> was undermining democracy, he said, "Don't we know democracy? Is
> democracy only wining elections after spending money. Four MPs are in
> jail and there are charges against nearly 150 others."
>
> Hazare said government was working only for big industrialists
> acquiring lands from farmers and was not working for the poor.
>
> - With PTI inputs
>
> http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/story/lokpal-bill-anna-hazare-addresses-medi
> a/1/148140.html
>
> S. Kalyanaraman
>
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> End of forwarded message from S. Kalyanaraman
>
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> Om Shanti
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Uno Hu
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Oh Great!...

Now your little fake hindu poop-pants self is spamming encyclopedia
lengths of hindu poop.. in the wrong newsgroups.

..

btw on the hazera thing in the US.. no one gives a sghit.
and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
2011-08-19 20:28:38 UTC
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Congress's mismanaged mess

By Kalyani Shankar
Op-Ed
The Pioneer
http://www.dailypioneer.com
Friday, August 19, 2011

The only reason why Anna Hazare, who till recently was unknown
outside Maharashtra, has attained the status of a national hero is
because the UPA Government has repeatedly mishandled his agitation

If anyone is to be blamed for the sudden larger-than-life persona of
civil society leader Anna Hazare, it is the Government for it allowed
him to assume such a role. Four months ago, Anna Hazare did not even
have a fraction of the popularity he enjoys today. In fact, he was
barely known outside of Maharashtra. He also had no Team Anna.

But then, Anna Hazare seized the issue of ‘aam admi' based on which
the Congress had come to power in 2004 and again in 2009. This made
it difficult for the Congress as it could be seen fighting anyone but
simply not the aam admi.

However, the defining moment of Anna Hazare's movement was the day he
was arrested and sent to jail. At that moment, the fight moved from
the Lokpal Bill to the citizen's right to protest which gathered him
enormous support. The one telling picture of Anna Hazare meditating
in Rajghat also added to his cause. That is when his popularity
increased manifold and he became a larger than life persona.

Of course, the electronic media also built him overnight as one
comparable to Mahatma Gandhi and Jayaprakash Narayan, and his
movement against corruption is now likened to freedom struggle of
yesteryears.

So the question is could his arrest have been avoided? The answer to
that is yes. The Government could have handled Anna Hazare case with
more sensitivity. If his arrest was a surprise, his release too has
raised many eyebrows. Many would think that now if the genie is out
of the bottle, it cannot be put back.

But arresting Anna Hazare was not the first mistake the Government
had committed. Starting from April when Anna Hazare was fasting at
Jantar Mantar, the Government had committed a series of one faux pas,
one after the other.

First, the Government gave him legitimacy when he initially started
talking about corruption. As the NDA convenor Sharad Yadav pointed
out that while the Opposition had been discussing corruption and
price rise, the Government gave Anna Hazare credibility by
negotiating with him and his team. The Prime Minister met him, Ms
Sonia Gandhi appealed to him to not go on a fast and finally, the
Government in a knee-jerk reaction invited Team Anna to participate
in the joint drafting committee on the Lokpal Bill. The Government in
fact went all out to engage the Team Anna.

The next mistake was not handling the whole thing as a political
issue but treating it as a legal issue instead. Political problems
have to be dealt with political tact. But the Ministers in charge
only talked in legal terms while Team Anna went ahead and mobilised
public support. Then, when the Government tried to project Team Anna
as one that was dictating terms to Parliament, the Opposition saw it
fit to side with Team Anna in both Houses of Parliament. By now to
the dismay of the Government, the focus had shifted from the Lokpal
Bill to that of a citizen's right to protest peacefully. The
Opposition had also united in blaming the treasury benches for
mishandling the Anna Hazare issue.

The Government's third mistake was its failure to communicate to the
public the rationale behind its decision to arrest Anna Hazare and
his aides. This was despite the fact that a high profile group of
Ministers had been put in charge. Team Anna, on the other hand, was
not only media-savvy but also use the latest information technology
including Twitter and Facebook to gain public sympathy. They even
smartly recorded Anna Hazare's message on Youtube, even before he was
arrested and televised the message as soon as he was taken into
custody. In fact, the team has won the media war to a large extent
for its ability to anticipate future events.

The Government's fourth mistake was perhaps to ‘realise' that Anna
Hazare was corrupt much after it had engaged Team Anna and involved
it in the drafting of the Lokpal Bill. They dug out the old 2003
Justice Sawant report that alleged that Anna Hazare was corrupt. This
personal vilification of Anna Hazare backfired to a large extent with
the result that Mr Rahul Gandhi had to step in and make sure that
there were no more personal attack on Team Anna. The fifth mistake
was that after arresting Anna Hazare, the Government could have
released him instead of allowing him seek bail. Since Anna Hazare
refused to seek bail, he had to be lodged in Tihar Jail along with
Suresh Kalmadi and A Raja. The Government did ultimately release him
but if it had done this sooner, then it could have saved face.

So, with the Government not willing to yield and Team Anna, goaded on
by huge public support, will there be any movement forward? For now,
Anna Hazare has won the first two rounds -- first, by finding his
team a place on the joint drafting committee and the second round by
forcing the Government to release him from jail. The Prime Minister
has thrown up his hands saying he has no magical wand but if his
Government is serious about tackling corruption, then it has to do
better in handling this crisis. It should view this as a golden
opportunity to rebuild its corruption-tainted image.

http://dailypioneer.com/361766/Congresss-mismanaged-mess.html

More at:
http://www.dailypioneer.com

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> In article <2b2f5cc4-7e30-49a5-8fbe-***@j1g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
>
> Mirza Ghalib <***@gmx.com> posted:
> > . . .
> > . . . In today's India it just $4000,
> > and buys just a little more than what it would in the
> > USA. You know what $4000 buys in USA. . . .
>
> How things have changed over the decades!
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> > Forwarded post from S. D.
> >
> > Sunday, August 14, 2011
> >
> > Massive numbers showed in March in US for Anna Hazare in India Day
> > Parade in New Jersey, USA
> >
> > see videos and photos links at the end... please forward to all email
> > lists and post in your blogs and websites.
> >
> > it is a great event by all young people in usa.  india's young is
> > rising and change has to come.  anna's record of service, his
> > sacrifice,  is catching the imagination of all indians both in india
> > and abroad.  let us pray and hope the country will turn around.
> >
> > PRESS RELEASE
> >
> > India Against Corruption
> >
> > Massive numbers showed in March for Anna Hazare in India Day Parade
> > at New Jersey, USA
> >
> > August 14, 2011. Iselin, NJ.  The Indian Independence Day Parade was
> > greeted by torrential rain and indomitable spirit of 150 volunteers
> > of India Against Corruption adorning Anna Topi. Bollywood stars,
> > Major business groups, Tourism industry, Religions groups, Television
> > channels etc. participate in this parade organized by Indian Business
> > Association, NJ. This New Jersey Independence day parade is a major
> > annual event that attracts about 10 thousand people for the parade.
> > The India Against Corruption contingent was the largest group of the
> > whole parade.
> >
> > The volunteers braved severe weather and walked for about 2 hours in
> > the rain. People from all walks of life -- technologists, engineers,
> > business men, doctors, students etc. joined the parade. Old men,
> > women, pregnant women, kids as young as 5 years old, walked in the
> > rain. The volunteers were drenched and cold but their enthusiasm was
> > not dampened. Flyers were distributed to all the people watching the
> > parade. A sample poll of about 500 people watching the parade tallied
> > 95% support for Anna Hazare’s movement. Volunteers were carrying
> > slogans in support of Anna Hazare and Jan Lokpal. Volunteers also
> > sang "Hum Honge Kam Yaab" in front of the main stage. The spirit was
> > so contagious that the passers-by joined them too.  Many volunteers
> > were carrying placards saying -- "I am Anna" in various languages
> > like Hindi, English, Telugu, Tamil, Marathi etc.  The message also
> > said "It is not one Anna. We are Thousands". This was to symbolize
> > the spirit of nationalism that Anna has evoked in common man.
> >
> > This event was covered by major television channels. The volunteers
> > in the parade, common people who joined to IAC, were interviewed by
> > Television and media reporters. Isha, 10 years old was asked by one
> > of the representative in hindi what this movement was about and she
> > said that this was about supporting Anna Hazare who was fight
> > corruption in India.  She also said she supported the movement whole-
> > heartedly.
> >
> > The chants of vande maataram and Jai Hind boomed through the crowd,
> > echoing the patriotic fervor of the participants. The message of the
> > parade was to express the greatness of India and to communicate that
> > the country can be the greatest if we eradicate corruption.  One of
> > successful local commercial realtor was complementing IAC volunteers
> > after the parade and said that the economic growth of our country was
> > great but it could be much greater if not for corruption.
> >
> > One of the slogans in the parade was -- "Anna Hazare -- Desh Tere
> > saath hai!  Videsh Tere saath hai!!". There are a lot of other events
> > being held across the globe on Aug 14, 2011 to mark the Global
> > Solidarity Day declared by IAC. The enthusiasm and support shown by
> > NRIs for India is bound to inspire people in India.  The parade ended
> > with all the volunteers singing the Indian National Anthem drenched
> > in rain and standing in attention.
> >
> > This was an event of the common man, by the common man and for the
> > common man -- a reflection of true democracy, an event in support of
> > Jan Lokpal bill and Anna Hazare.
> >
> > Additional Video and Photo links for the event:
> >
> > YouTube:
> >
> >
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I8WT5CNlbA&feature=autoplay&list=PL37ABA3F393
> 93C492
> >
> > Pictures:
> >
> >
> https://picasaweb.google.com/110804064056852150979/2011AugAnna?authuser=0&aut
> hkey=Gv1sRgCNThkNrniKyFuAE&feat=directlink
> >
> > Faith is the bird that feels the light and sings when the dawn is
> > still dark. - R. Tagore
> >
> > End of forwarded post from S. D.
>
> Forwarded message from S. Kalyanaraman
>
> Anna Hazare fast and Sonia Govt's counter moves
>
> http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com/2011/08/anna-hazare-fast-and-sonia-govts.ht
> ml
>
> Anna Hazare fast and Sonia Govt's counter moves
>
> Published: August 15, 2011 20:48 IST
> Updated: August 16, 2011 04:15 IST 
>
> Anna Hazare calls for 'jail bharo'
>
> Gargi Parsai
>
> Social activist Anna Hazare during his visit to Rajghat on Monday on
> the eve of his hunger strike for a stronger Lokpal Bill. Photo:
> Sushil Kumar Verma
>
> The confrontation between social activist Anna Hazare and the
> government on the Lokpal Bill took a turn for the worse on Monday
> with the former giving a call to his supporters to fill jails all
> over the country if he is arrested on Tuesday.
>
> Mr. Hazare was denied permission by the Delhi Police to stage his
> fast here as his team refused to comply with all 22 conditions they
> laid.
>
> Addressing journalists here after Prime Minister Manmohan Singh
> criticised him for resorting to a fast as a protest when Parliament
> was seized of the Lokpal Bill, the anti-corruption crusader said he
> would go to the JP Park, the venue of his fast, even though the
> police had imposed prohibitory orders.
>
> "I am given to understand that I will be refused permission. We will
> go there. If I am arrested, I will continue my hunger strike in jail.
> If I am released, I will go back to the venue and continue the fast.
> This will go on,'' Mr. Hazare said. He gave a "lights off'' call
> throughout the country to reflect the "darkness in the hearts of the
> poor, deprived and dispossessed people.''
>
> He said that once he was arrested, people should fill the jails in
> every village.
>
> Accusing the Prime Minister of speaking the same language as his
> Cabinet colleague Kapil Sibal, Mr. Hazare said he was sure that if a
> strong Lokpal was created there would be a 60 per cent end to
> corruption.
>
> Before his news conference, the 74-year-old activist made a surprise
> visit to the Rajghat taking the police unawares. He said he went
> there for "introspection.''
>
> While senior United Progressive Alliance Ministers defended the
> decision to withhold permission to Mr. Hazare as "necessary,'' the
> Opposition Bharatiya Janata Party slammed the government for
> "scuttling all voices of dissent.''
>
> CPI (M) leader Brinda Karat said one may or may not agree with Mr.
> Hazare and his team on the Lokpal Bill but no one can question their
> right to protest.
>
> Activist Arvind Kejriwal said the government's action was
> "autocratic.''
>
> Lawyer Prashant Bhushan said they would move the court on Tuesday
> against the decision of the Delhi Police.
>
> Karnataka Lokayukta Santosh Hegde, who is also a member of the Team
> Anna's core team, said the government's action showed that it was
> "nervous."
>
> Aruna Roy, Nikhil Dey and Shankar Singh of the Mazdoor Kisan Shakti
> Sangathan also condemned the refusal of permission to Mr. Hazare.
>
> HT Correspondents, Hindustan Times
>
> New Delhi, August 15, 2011
> First Published: 23:26 IST(15/8/2011)
> Last Updated: 01:25 IST(16/8/2011)
>
> Police firm, Anna faces arrest
>
> With social activist Anna Hazare and his camp refusing to accept six
> of the 22 conditions set by the Delhi Police for his fast to press
> for a lokpal bill drafted by them, his arrest seemed imminent.
>
> Late Monday, 50 of Hazare's supporters were detained for gathering at
> the proposed JP Park venue of the protest for violating prohibitory
> orders, the police said.
>
> A lokpal bill incorporating several suggestions by the Anna Camp is
> currently in Parliament but the activists said nothing less than a
> complete acceptance of their version is acceptable. 
>
> "We will march to JP Park tomorrow morning and if arrested, I will
> fast in custody. When I am released, I will go there again to start
> my fast," Hazare declared at a press conference, dubbed as an
> "address to the nation".
>
> Delhi Police spokesperson Rajan Bhagat said, "We have denied them
> permission to protest at JP Park. Section 144 that restricts a
> gathering of people has been imposed at the park and all roads
> leading to it. If anyone tries to defy the orders, the punishment can
> vary from preventive custody to arrest."
>
> The police told the Anna Camp that their agitation in JP Park near
> ITO, it couldn't be allowed for more than three days.
>
> When the Anna Camp insisted on permission for an indefinite period,
> the police offered a venue in Burari on the outskirts of the city,
> which Hazare turned down.
>
> All other conditions set for the agitation are common to gatherings
> in the city and guided by various court orders.
>
> Concluding an afternoon filled with drama, Hazare exhorted all
> Indians to join him in jail as he could be arrested.
>
> "Lakhs of people will rise in my support in villages across India,
> and there will be a jail bharo (fill prisons) agitation." Describing
> the country's independence as fake and inadequate, Hazare said its
> time for a "second independence struggle".
>
> Hazare earlier visited Rajghat, the resting place of Mahatma Gandhi,
> for a "meditation".
>
> At a press conference later, Hazare thanked the media for supporting
> his movement.
>
> "The media is the fourth pillar of democracy," he said, adding that
> he is willing to "fetch water in Kapil Sibal's house" if the lokpal
> bill suggested by him does not bring down corruption by "60 to 65%".
>
> Hazare however said his fight is not restricted to a lokpal but for a
> systemic transformation.
>
> Elaborating, he said, "Eighty percent of Indians earn R20 or less a
> day. Others are earning several thousands every day," adding that the
> country is "being run by industrialists.
>
> Therefore, what we require is a systemic transformation, not merely a
> change of government."
>
> He said he respected Parliament but asked why "this sacred place has
> tainted people".
>
> http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/Print/733700.aspx
>
> Published: August 15, 2011 20:48 IST
> Updated: August 16, 2011 04:15 IST 
>
> Anna Hazare calls for 'jail bharo'
>
> Gargi Parsai
>
> Social activist Anna Hazare during his visit to Rajghat on Monday on
> the eve of his hunger strike for a stronger Lokpal Bill. Photo:
> Sushil Kumar Verma
>
> The confrontation between social activist Anna Hazare and the
> government on the Lokpal Bill took a turn for the worse on Monday
> with the former giving a call to his supporters to fill jails all
> over the country if he is arrested on Tuesday.
>
> Mr. Hazare was denied permission by the Delhi Police to stage his
> fast here as his team refused to comply with all 22 conditions they
> laid.
>
> Addressing journalists here after Prime Minister Manmohan Singh
> criticised him for resorting to a fast as a protest when Parliament
> was seized of the Lokpal Bill, the anti-corruption crusader said he
> would go to the JP Park, the venue of his fast, even though the
> police had imposed prohibitory orders.
>
> "I am given to understand that I will be refused permission. We will
> go there. If I am arrested, I will continue my hunger strike in jail.
> If I am released, I will go back to the venue and continue the fast.
> This will go on,'' Mr. Hazare said. He gave a "lights off'' call
> throughout the country to reflect the "darkness in the hearts of the
> poor, deprived and dispossessed people.''
>
> He said that once he was arrested, people should fill the jails in
> every village.
>
> Accusing the Prime Minister of speaking the same language as his
> Cabinet colleague Kapil Sibal, Mr. Hazare said he was sure that if a
> strong Lokpal was created there would be a 60 per cent end to
> corruption.
>
> Before his news conference, the 74-year-old activist made a surprise
> visit to the Rajghat taking the police unawares. He said he went
> there for "introspection.''
>
> While senior United Progressive Alliance Ministers defended the
> decision to withhold permission to Mr. Hazare as "necessary,'' the
> Opposition Bharatiya Janata Party slammed the government for
> "scuttling all voices of dissent.''
>
> CPI (M) leader Brinda Karat said one may or may not agree with Mr.
> Hazare and his team on the Lokpal Bill but no one can question their
> right to protest.
>
> Activist Arvind Kejriwal said the government's action was
> "autocratic.''
>
> Lawyer Prashant Bhushan said they would move the court on Tuesday
> against the decision of the Delhi Police.
>
> Karnataka Lokayukta Santosh Hegde, who is also a member of the Team
> Anna's core team, said the government's action showed that it was
> "nervous."
>
> Aruna Roy, Nikhil Dey and Shankar Singh of the Mazdoor Kisan Shakti
> Sangathan also condemned the refusal of permission to Mr. Hazare.
>
> http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article2359459.ece?homepage=true
>
> India against corruption: PM holds huddle leaving out key Sonia aides
>
> TNN
> Aug 16, 2011, 02.47AM IST
>
> Indraprasth aka New Delhi - Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Monday
> seemed to be taking charge of Congress's counter-offensive against
> Anna Hazare by holding a huddle with senior party leaders, including
> Rahul Gandhi and finance minister Pranab Mukherjee. 
>
> The rare initiative came just after the flag-hoisting ceremony at
> Congress headquarters, and was at variance with the perception that
> Singh, with the exception of his insistence on pushing the Indo-US
> nuclear deal through, has been content following the party's lead. 
>
> Information and broadcasting minister Ambika Soni and general
> secretary Janardan Dwivedi were part of the deliberations which,
> among other things, focused on assessing how the confrontation with
> civil society might play out in the media. 
>
> The unusual display of leadership on a political issue came against
> the backdrop of the assessment in Congress about the divide between
> PMO and party brass on how to tackle the challenge from Anna's camp. 
>
> The remarkable feature of the impromptu conclave was the exclusion of
> two of Sonia Gandhi's most trusted aides - defence minister A K
> Antony and the Congress chief's political secretary Ahmed Patel. Both
> Antony and Patel were present at the AICC when Singh started the
> consultations. The duo could not get out of the premises because of
> the security bandobast SPG had put in place for the PM and had to
> wait in social justice minister Mukul Wasnik's room till Singh and
> his chosen few ended the deliberations. 
>
> The composition of what was instantly termed the PM's own "core
> group" stunned AICC watchers. 
>
> Antony is a member of the elite bodies - Cabinet committees on
> political affairs, and security. Significantly, his name featured on
> the top of the 'group of four' named by Sonia to look after
> organizational affairs in her absence. 
>
> The PM's initiative is significant against the growing backdrop of
> growing perception in AICC circles about a disconnect between the PMO
> and Congress leadership on how to deal with Anna's campaign.
> Ministers like Kapil Sibal, who are considered to be advising the PM,
> are for an aggressive response, whereas significant sections in the
> party favour a politically calibrated approach. 
>
> There are misgivings in the party over the frontal assault party
> spokesperson Manish Tewari was instructed to launch on the Gandhian.
> Although party circles acknowledge that the provocation came from the
> Anna group, they feel the party should have refrained from targeting
> Anna personally. As against this, elements in the government are
> against holding fire in the hostilities with civil society. 
>
> Amid a sense of puzzlement in the Congress over the aggression on
> Saturday, senior party sources stressed that they don't favour
> personal attacks. "Hazare has made unwarranted attacks on Congress
> instead of focusing on government and others. However, we will not
> stoop to that level and let incivility mar our response," a senior
> party office-bearer said.
>
> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/PM-holds-huddle-on-Anna-campaign-leav
> ing-out-key-Sonia-aides/articleshow/9617001.cms
>
> India against corruption: 50 supporters of Hazare detained at fast venue
>
> PTI
> Aug 16, 2011, 12.09AM IST
>
> Indraprasth aka New Delhi - At least 50 supporters of Anna Hazare
> were tonight detained by Delhi police at Jai Prakash Narain Park, the
> venue of the anti-graft crusader's planned fast from tomorrow, for
> defying prohibitory orders clamped in the area. 
>
> The supporters of the Gandhian were taken in a police bus to a nearby
> police station, police said. Hazare has been denied permission by
> Delhi police to hold his fast at JPN park. 
>
> They had gathered ahead of Hazare's fast for a strong Lokpal bill to
> express solidarity with him. 
>
> Delhi Police spokesperson Rajan Bhagat said prohibitory orders under
> Section 144 CrPC in some areas of Daryaganj and IP police stations in
> Central Delhi, which include Jai Prakash Narain Park and Shaheed
> Park, were clamped this evening. The section prohibits the assembly
> of five or more people in one place. 
>
> The areas where prohibitory orders have been imposed include
> Shantivan to Rajghat, Rajghat to Jawahar Lal Nehru Marg, Aruna Asaf
> Ali Marg to JLN Marg, Delhi Gate to Tilak Marg on Bahadurshah Zafar
> Marg. 
>
> The orders came following police denying permission to Hazare to hold
> the protest at the park after organisers refused to give an
> undertaking restricting the number of protest days to three and
> protestors to 5,000. 
>
> A large contingent of police, including women personnel, have been
> deployed around JPN Park to ensure that no untoward incident takes
> place. 
>
> Delhi Police meanwhile sought the services of two magistrates from
> the city government. 
>
> Sources said Delhi Police have requested principal secretary (home)
> of the city government to provide them with two magistrates whose
> services might be required to handle the law and order situation
> during the proposed protest. 
>
> Top officials also reviewed the situation at Police Headquarters. 
>
> Union Home Secretary RK Singh held a meeting with Delhi Police
> Commissioner BK Gupta and other senior officials at the Police
> Headquarters here to take stock of the measures taken by the force to
> tackle any untoward situation.
>
> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/India-against-corruption-50-supporter
> s-of-Hazare-detained-at-fast-venue/articleshow/9615987.cms
>
> Delhi Police plans 'Gandhigiri'
>
> By Pramod Kumar Singh
> The Pioneer
> Tuesday, August 16, 2011
>
> Unarmed, but ready to put the Gandhian and supporters behind bars 
>
> Indraprasth aka New Delhi - With Anna Hazare and his colleagues being
> denied permission for their proposed fast at Jai Prakash Narayan
> Park, battle lines have been drawn. However, the Delhi Police plans
> to score brownie points with the people by adopting 'Gandhian
> methods' of maintaining law and order. 
>
> Anna and his supporters will be taken into custody by the Delhi
> Police if they try to enter Jai Prakash Narayan Park on Tuesday
> morning. However, senior Delhi Police officials said that officers of
> Delhi Police detailed for the duty would be unarmed and maximum
> restraint would be exercised in dealing with the situation.
>
> However, it is unlikely that this will be the only line of deployment
> for disallowing protests by Hazare and his group. The Delhi Police
> has already deployed a large number of moveable barricades in Central
> and New Delhi districts to prevent Anna and his supporters from going
> to the announced place. The anti-riot first battalion of the armed
> police would be on standby. "However, the police manning the
> barricades would all be unarmed and request protesters not to move
> further," informed a Delhi Police officer.
>
> Special Branch of the Delhi Police has reported that those coming to
> JP Park are expected to be peaceful and there was little likelihood
> of violence. But the situation could change if Anna and his
> supporters decided to move to any other venue and needed protection,
> a senior Delhi Police official said.
>
> The Delhi Police have chalked out an elaborate plan after Union Home
> Secretary RK Singh visited the Delhi Police Headquarters on Monday
> afternoon to review the situation as a showdown between the Team Anna
> and the police appears inevitable. Intelligence wing of the Delhi
> Police has cautioned the Central and New Delhi district police that
> Anna and his supporters could spring a last minute surprise and could
> go either to Rajghat or Jantar Mantar or even to 10 Janpath, the
> residence of Congress president Sonia Gandhi. 
>
> Delhi Police officers said that they could very well block entry to
> all these places if the situation so demanded and any attempt to
> breach the police cordon would be "dealt in a firm albeit peaceful
> manner."
>
> "Since Section 144 has been imposed in Central district, no assembly
> of people would be allowed near the park," the official added. 
>
> The imposition of section 144 would mean that protests at the nearby
> Ramlila Maidan and Rajghat would also not be allowed. Sources said
> that Union Home Secretary asked Delhi Police Commissioner BK Gupta to
> be careful while planning security arrangements and handle Tuesday
> protest with minimum use of force. 
>
> "The Delhi Police has taken several measures to avoid a Ramlila
> Maidan like situation," the official added. The Delhi Police used a
> heavy hand to evict the supporters of Baba Ramdev in June after the
> negotiations between the Government and the Yog Guru failed to reach
> conclusion.
>
> In a significant development, the Delhi Government has permitted the
> Delhi Police to use Chhatrasal Stadium as a makeshift jail to house
> Anna Hazare and his supporters after they are arrested. The Delhi
> Police has requested the Delhi Government to provide either
> Chhatrasal stadium or the State Guest House 33 Shamnath Marg on
> Alipur Road for using it as temporary jail. Chief Secretary PK
> Tripathi, Home Principal Secretary Arvind Ray and DG Prisons Neeraj
> Kumar were present in the meeting.
>
> Meanwhile, when asked why permission was denied to Anna Hazare in the
> first place, Joint Commissioner of Police, Northern Range, Sudhir
> Yadav told The Pioneer, "The Supreme Court has very clearly set
> guidelines about such type of fasts and sit-ins. They refused to
> comply with our six major conditions out of 22, the permission was
> accordingly denied. Now any move to hold a protest near JP Park will
> be dealt according to the provisions of law." When asked whether the
> Delhi Police could go for preventive arrests to prevent Anna and his
> supporters from going to JP Park, the Joint CP replied in negative.
> He said, "There is no need as the Delhi Police was capable of
> handling any situation that may emerge on Tuesday morning. Central
> district police has requisitioned buses to move Anna and his
> supporters in the event of them being detained for violating
> prohibitory orders." 
>
> http://www.dailypioneer.com/361100/Delhi-Police-plans-Gandhigiri.html
>
> Anna Hazare to begin fast today, people across India switch off
> lights in support
>
> ITGD Bureau
> August 15, 2011 - 19:04
>
> Anna Hazare addresses media in New Delhi on Monday.
>
> Indraprasth aka New Delhi - Anna Hazare is all set for a full blown
> confrontation with the government on the Lokpal Bill, giving a call
> to his supporters to fill up jails all over the country if he is
> arrested on Tuesday after he was denied permission to hold indefinite
> fast in the national capital.
>
> Addressing a press conference after Prime Minister Manmohan Singh
> slammed him for resorting to fast as a protest when Parliament was
> seized of the Lokpal bill, the Gandhian said he will go to J P park
> on Tuesday, the venue of his fast even though Delhi police has
> imposed prohibitory orders.
>
> "My mission begins tomorrow, we have a long fight ahead," Hazare
> said.
>
> "I come to understand that I will be refused permission. We will go
> there. If I am arrested, I will continue my hunger strike in the
> jail. If I am released, I will go back to the venue and this circle
> will continue," he said at a 30-minute press conference that came to
> an end to coincide with his "lights-off" call throughout the country
> from 8 pm.
>
> He said once he is arrested, people should fill up the jails in every
> village across the country. "Going to jail for the country is no
> crime...It is a decoration," he said.
>
> He accused the Prime Minister of "speaking" the language of his
> ministerial colleague Kapil Sibal saying that the Lokpal bill was
> before Parliament which will take the call.
>
> Before his press conference, the 73-year old activist made an
> unscheduled visit to Rajghat, where he sat in meditation. Soon after
> the news of his being at the Gandhi Samadhi, hundreds of supporters
> gathered around him.
>
> Earlier in the day, Delhi Police refused permission to Gandhian and
> his supporters saying that team Hazare have refused to give an
> undertaking on restricting the number of days of protest and
> protesters besides four other conditions.
>
> Sudhir Yadav, Joint Commissioner of Police (Northern Range), said
> anybody assembling at the Park on Tuesday would face legal action.
>
> "We have denied the permission. Nobody is supposed to come to the
> park. If somebody comes there, it is unlawful. They will be handled
> according to law. If they do that, it is violation of law," Yadav
> said as police prepared to lock down the grounds.
>
> Union Home Secretary R K Singh reviewed the situation with Delhi
> Police Commissioner B K Gupta and other top officials at the police
> headquarters.
>
> Hazare's protest on Tuesday is in pursuit of his campaign for a
> strong Lokpal that will have under its ambit Prime Minister, higher
> judiciary, conduct of MPs in Parliament and other provisions. The
> bill introduced in Parliament excludes these institutions.
>
> In his speech at the Red Fort on Monday morning, the Prime Minister
> decried Hazare going on fast and said Parliament alone will decide on
> Lokpal and those having grievances should approach Parliamentary
> Committees for airing their views.
>
> At his press conference, Hazare said corruption has crossed all
> limits and is all pervasive in various sectors, including education
> and jobs.
>
> He said even after Jan Lokpal is passed, there is no guarantee that
> corruption will be eliminated 100 per cent but he was confident that
> it would end at least up to 60-65 per cent. "If it does not happen, I
> am ready to serve water at Kapil Sibal's house," he said.
>
> Hazare said the fight against corruption has just begin and will not
> stop even if Lokpal bill passed. The struggle for the change will
> continue and it is a long battle, he said.
>
> "It is now a fight to the finish," he said, adding they were not for
> pulling down the government but if falls in the process, they don't
> care.
>
> He also said his protest will be non-violent because non-violence was
> a powerful weapon.
>
> Referring to the Prime Minister's remarks that the Lokpal bill was
> before Parliament, he said "We have to accept Parliament. We have
> trust in Parliament but the bill that has gone before it is not
> proper."
>
> The activist said the provisions like appointment and removal of
> Lokpal were serious issues on which government made promises but
> suddenly it changed its stand and "betrayed us".
>
> Speaking about repeated assertions from the government's side that he
> was undermining democracy, he said, "Don't we know democracy? Is
> democracy only wining elections after spending money. Four MPs are in
> jail and there are charges against nearly 150 others."
>
> Hazare said government was working only for big industrialists
> acquiring lands from farmers and was not working for the poor.
>
> - With PTI inputs
>
> http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/story/lokpal-bill-anna-hazare-addresses-medi
> a/1/148140.html
>
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Advani And The Swiss Bank Money Hoax

Self-appointed Prime Minister Lal Krishna Advani apparently is too
excited about the Internet. He suddenly is receiving chain mails like
all of us - and has decided the government policy should be decided
based on these email forwards.

Mr.Advani now wants all black money stashed away in Swiss banks by
Indians brought back. And he promises to do that if he comes to power.
Well, how a man who couldn’t negotiate a few hijackers - will arm-twist
Swiss bankers is beyond me.

But Mr. Advani has a lot of figures to quote from a “credible source”
called the Wikipedia.

Full blog post:
http://www.manishwa.com/2009/03/advani-and-the-swiss-bank-money-hoax/


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cleansed or otherwise purified for the benefit of society.

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/vhp-terrorism
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2011-08-19 21:30:36 UTC
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Anna Hazare announces new revolution for second independence, recalls
1942 Quit India movement

http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com/2011/08/postal-stamp-to-commemorate-swami.html

Postal stamp to commemorate Swami Vivekananda's birth

Friday August 12, 2011

Postal stamp to commemorate Swami Vivekananda's birth

By Jayagandi Jayaraj 
Photos by P. Nathan

TO commemorate the 150th birth anniversary of Swami Vivekanand (1863-
2013), Ramakrishna Mission Malaysia observed the release of the
'Arise, Awake!' postal stamp on Aug 2.

The stamp takes inspiration from the holy man's famous quote "Arise,
Awake! Stop not till the goal is reached".

Centre president Swami Supriyananda said with the release of the
stamp by Pos Malaysia, the mission was gearing up to celebrate
Vivekananda's 150 years in a fit and proper manner appropriate to his
universally respected stature as a world teacher, thinker, leader,
prophet, pathfinder and humanity benefactor.

New series: The newly-released stamp.

In line with that, a series of Personality Development programmes for
youths through Vivekananda's life and message are being planned for
two years, 2012 and 2013, all over Malaysia.

Supriyananda said the mission had lined up the set of programmes to
help them with inner confidence and character.

"The half-day free programmes will be starting next month, and they
will focus on physical, mental and spiritual health. We go to gyms to
develop the body, and to temples to perform rituals, but a positive
mentality also needs to be built. When you build character, you have
everything," he said after the event held at the mission's centre in
Petaling Jaya.

Also present at the event were Ramakrishna Mission, Belue Math, India
general secretary Swami Prabhananda, and Toh Puan Uma Sambanthan.

http://www.thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?sec=central&file=/2011/8/12/central/9261026

http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com/2011/08/anna-hazare-announces-new-revolution.html

Anna Hazare announces new revolution for second independence, recalls
1942 Quit India movement

Anna at Ramlila Ground, says fight far from over

Agencies
19 Aug 2011, 1414 hrs IST

After spending three days in Tihar Jail, anti-corruption crusader
Anna Hazare on Friday (August 19) reached the Ramlila Maidan to
continue his indefinite fast for a strong Jan Lokpal Bill. Addressing
the massive crowd gathered at the venue, the 74-year-old veteran
Gandhian urged them to continue the fight for a strong Lokpal Bill. 

Anna Hazare said, "The fight against corruption will continue whether
I am alive or not. We must not give up our fight for a strong Lokpal
Bill. We will not vacate this ground till the Jan Lokpal Bill comes
into effect."

In a massive show of support, a sea of humanity followed the civil
society leader on the streets of Delhi as he made his way to the
Ramlila Ground to hold his fast. The moment Anna Hazare emerged out
of the Tihar Jail after spending three days there, thousands who were
camping outside the high profile prison welcomed him by cheering
loudly and chanting slogans. 

On route to Ramlila Maidan, Anna visited Rajghat, samadhi of Mahatma
Gandhi. Hazare supporters accompanied the procession waving the tri-
colour while he accepted greetings from people gathered on either
side of the road in West Delhi. The improvised vehicle had a huge
umbrella to protect Hazare and his close aides from the pounding
rain. Apart from walking along with Hazare's vehicle, the supporters
followed him on bikes, jeeps and cars.

The procession affected vehicular traffic in and around the Tihar
prison premises including in Janakpuri, Mayapuri and Hari Nagar in
West Delhi. 

The tireless Hazare was greeted by the supporters with garlands and
bouquets at various intersections en-route his procession which was
marked by chants of 'Anna' and "Vande Mataram". 

Children, housewives and others were seen standing on their balconies
and rooftops to have a glimpse of Hazare and the procession.
Protesters expressed happiness over the 74-year-old Gandhian's
decision to come out from the prison complex following rounds of
negotiations with the police and authorities to decide on agitation
venue to undertake hunger strike. 

Hazare had planned to begin his fast for a stronger Lokpal Bill at
the J.P. Park in the ITO area Tuesday. 

Delhi Police imposed certain conditions before the protest could be
allowed. Hazare however refused to agree, after which the police
detained him and his associates Tuesday. 

He was sent to Tihar and was subsequently released Tuesday night, but
he refused to leave the jail until allowed to carry on the fast
without any conditions. 

Hazare has been demanding the government to bring the prime minister,
higher judiciary and the conduct of MPs inside parliament within the
ambit of the Lokpal (ombudsman).

http://www.timesnow.tv/Anna-at-Ramlila-Ground-says-fight-far-from-over/articleshow/4381710.cms

http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com/2011/08/its-middle-class-stupid-swagato-ganguly.html

http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com/2011/08/pc-should-quit-over-anna-arrest-says.html

PC should quit over Anna arrest, says Swamy

Express News Service , The New Indian Express
Posted on Aug 19, 2011 at 09:41am IST

Chennai: Janata Party president Subramanian Swamy on Thursday
demanded resignation of Union Home Minister P Chidambaram over the
"illegal" arrest of anti-corruption crusader Anna Hazare.

"The arrest of Hazare is not a collective responsibility of the
Cabinet. Law and Order is the sole responsibility of the Home
Minister and he should take responsibility and put in his papers,"
said Swamy. The treatment meted out to a respected person like Anna
Hazare has spoiled the reputation of the country, he said. "The
government owes an apology to Hazare. As part of the atonement,
Chidambaram should be removed," he said.

Swamy also demanded immediate dissolution of the Lok Sabha and
holding of a mid-term poll over the "illegal arrest" of Anna Hazare
and his colleagues.

Swamy, the brain behind 2G spectrum case, said he would seek
Chidambaram be named as a co-accused in the case along with former
telecom minister A Raja during the court hearing on August 24.
Interestingly, Swamy's statement comes close on the heels of Raja's
demand that Chidambaram be made a witness. Raja had told court that
Chidambaram, who was Finance Minister when the spectrum allocation
took place, "cleared the sale of equity in Swan and Unitech, so he is
bound to come to court as a witness".

To a query over National Minority Commission's decision to serve
notice on him over his article in a newspaper, Swamy said he is yet
to receive such a notice.

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/pc-should-quit-over-anna-arrest-says-swamy/176793-60-118.html

It's the middle class, stupid - Swagato Ganguly

It's the middle class, stupid

Swagato Ganguly
August 19, 2011, 12.00 a.m. IST

Nobody within the government saw it coming. The middle class has
risen massively in support of Anna Hazare, upsetting the government's
calculations about being able to manage the anti-corruption movement
easily. In doing so, the middle class has upended the received wisdom
that it is politically apathetic. 

Some element of that received wisdom must have played its part in the
government's assessment that the Hazare group was just an
unrepresentative bunch of civil society activists who would be easily
browbeaten. That assessment has proven spectacularly wrong, with the
government having to eat humble pie on the very day he was arrested.
It's clear by now that Hazare's arrest was the spark that lit a
prairie fire of protests across the country. 

The middle class has stamped its character on those protests in many
ways, not limited to the goodly number of professionals, white-collar
workers, housewives and college students hitting the streets in
support of Anna. The protests are novel in that they have been
remarkably disciplined and peaceful wherever they have been staged -
as opposed to the rioting, stone-throwing, brick-batting, arson,
prolonged public bandhs and damage to property that are the norm for
political protests in India. 

Moreover, instead of being relayed through caste, clan and kinship
networks or routed through political parties, the organisers have
used modern forms of communication - such as text messages, Twitter
and Facebook - or relied on secular civic organisations to quickly
assemble large crowds. And there's no denying the role that
saturation television coverage has played in transmitting their
message. 

That has caused some commentators to glibly conclude that the
protests are a superficial TV phenomenon that will die down when the
TV cameras go away. But the point about 24x7 news coverage is that
the TV cameras never go away. In that sense, we live in an inherently
tele-visual society; this has played a role in seminal events in
history. The fall of the Berlin Wall, for instance, has been
attributed partly to the beaming of West German TV images into East
German homes, allowing people in the communist half a glimpse into
life in West Germany. 

For many of those who have hit the streets, it isn't really about the
merits or demerits of the Jan Lokpal over the Lokpal Bill, of which
they have only a hazy idea. Rather, the Lokpal debate is merely a
trigger for the sense of inchoate rage they feel at a political
system which displays contempt for their priorities. It's not
divorced, for example, from their response to the outrageous loot of
Commonwealth Games coffers, or to the fact that 76 MPs in the current
Lok Sabha - 14% of its total strength - stand accused of not ordinary
but serious crimes such as murder, kidnapping, extortion, rape. 

For politicians of the old order (and professional pols belong mostly
to the old order), only the two ends of the social spectrum matter.
While moneyed elites can bring in the moolah, the poor masses have
the votes. The middle classes don't figure in this equation. On the
other hand, when a middle-class person looks at the taxes deducted
from his hard-earned salary, he's liable to ask what the government
is doing with his taxes. That's a basis of democratic politics
everywhere, but given shoddy governance standards in India the
answers - or more accurately the lack of answers - are likely to
enrage him. Taken in its widest sense, the theme of corruption is
just a metaphorical way of broaching the question - what are you
doing with my money? 

It's here that India has arrived at an inflexion point. The middle
class (defined as those with monthly household income between Rs
20,000 and Rs 100,000) has exploded in numbers from 25 million in
1996 to 160 million currently. By 2015, it's expected to hit 267
million. That makes it a significant proportion of the electorate, a
'vote bank' politicians can no longer afford to overlook. Moreover,
this rapid rise in numbers indicates a shift in the balance of power
within the middle class itself. The 'new' middle class - which owes
nothing to state employment - is eclipsing the 'old' middle class
that was a creation of the pre-liberalisation Nehruvian state. 

The old middle class is less likely to question the state, since it
is dependent for employment, professional life and pensions on the
state. Moreover, its symbolic economy and world view are convergent
with that of the state itself, and therefore its needs are better
taken care of. It is the new middle class that has reason to feel
disconnected. And it will count more and more as a strategic factor
in Indian politics. 

Anna Hazare is just a catalyst who happens to chime with the middle-
class mood today. But the arrival of the new middle class is a more
lasting phenomenon than Hazare himself. Just like the TV cameras,
this middle class is not going to go away. Smart politicians had
better hone their strategies to co-opt middle-class rage. They ignore
it at their peril.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/opinion/edit-page/Its-the-middle-class-stupid/articleshow/9651012.cms

S. Kalyanaraman

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End of forwarded message from S. Kalyanaraman

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

> Congress's mismanaged mess
>
> By Kalyani Shankar
> Op-Ed
> The Pioneer
> http://www.dailypioneer.com
> Friday, August 19, 2011
>
> The only reason why Anna Hazare, who till recently was unknown
> outside Maharashtra, has attained the status of a national hero is
> because the UPA Government has repeatedly mishandled his agitation
>
> If anyone is to be blamed for the sudden larger-than-life persona of
> civil society leader Anna Hazare, it is the Government for it allowed
> him to assume such a role. Four months ago, Anna Hazare did not even
> have a fraction of the popularity he enjoys today. In fact, he was
> barely known outside of Maharashtra. He also had no Team Anna.
>
> But then, Anna Hazare seized the issue of ‘aam admi' based on which
> the Congress had come to power in 2004 and again in 2009. This made
> it difficult for the Congress as it could be seen fighting anyone but
> simply not the aam admi.
>
> However, the defining moment of Anna Hazare's movement was the day he
> was arrested and sent to jail. At that moment, the fight moved from
> the Lokpal Bill to the citizen's right to protest which gathered him
> enormous support. The one telling picture of Anna Hazare meditating
> in Rajghat also added to his cause. That is when his popularity
> increased manifold and he became a larger than life persona.
>
> Of course, the electronic media also built him overnight as one
> comparable to Mahatma Gandhi and Jayaprakash Narayan, and his
> movement against corruption is now likened to freedom struggle of
> yesteryears.
>
> So the question is could his arrest have been avoided? The answer to
> that is yes. The Government could have handled Anna Hazare case with
> more sensitivity. If his arrest was a surprise, his release too has
> raised many eyebrows. Many would think that now if the genie is out
> of the bottle, it cannot be put back.
>
> But arresting Anna Hazare was not the first mistake the Government
> had committed. Starting from April when Anna Hazare was fasting at
> Jantar Mantar, the Government had committed a series of one faux pas,
> one after the other.
>
> First, the Government gave him legitimacy when he initially started
> talking about corruption. As the NDA convenor Sharad Yadav pointed
> out that while the Opposition had been discussing corruption and
> price rise, the Government gave Anna Hazare credibility by
> negotiating with him and his team. The Prime Minister met him, Ms
> Sonia Gandhi appealed to him to not go on a fast and finally, the
> Government in a knee-jerk reaction invited Team Anna to participate
> in the joint drafting committee on the Lokpal Bill. The Government in
> fact went all out to engage the Team Anna.
>
> The next mistake was not handling the whole thing as a political
> issue but treating it as a legal issue instead. Political problems
> have to be dealt with political tact. But the Ministers in charge
> only talked in legal terms while Team Anna went ahead and mobilised
> public support. Then, when the Government tried to project Team Anna
> as one that was dictating terms to Parliament, the Opposition saw it
> fit to side with Team Anna in both Houses of Parliament. By now to
> the dismay of the Government, the focus had shifted from the Lokpal
> Bill to that of a citizen's right to protest peacefully. The
> Opposition had also united in blaming the treasury benches for
> mishandling the Anna Hazare issue.
>
> The Government's third mistake was its failure to communicate to the
> public the rationale behind its decision to arrest Anna Hazare and
> his aides. This was despite the fact that a high profile group of
> Ministers had been put in charge. Team Anna, on the other hand, was
> not only media-savvy but also use the latest information technology
> including Twitter and Facebook to gain public sympathy. They even
> smartly recorded Anna Hazare's message on Youtube, even before he was
> arrested and televised the message as soon as he was taken into
> custody. In fact, the team has won the media war to a large extent
> for its ability to anticipate future events.
>
> The Government's fourth mistake was perhaps to ‘realise' that Anna
> Hazare was corrupt much after it had engaged Team Anna and involved
> it in the drafting of the Lokpal Bill. They dug out the old 2003
> Justice Sawant report that alleged that Anna Hazare was corrupt. This
> personal vilification of Anna Hazare backfired to a large extent with
> the result that Mr Rahul Gandhi had to step in and make sure that
> there were no more personal attack on Team Anna. The fifth mistake
> was that after arresting Anna Hazare, the Government could have
> released him instead of allowing him seek bail. Since Anna Hazare
> refused to seek bail, he had to be lodged in Tihar Jail along with
> Suresh Kalmadi and A Raja. The Government did ultimately release him
> but if it had done this sooner, then it could have saved face.
>
> So, with the Government not willing to yield and Team Anna, goaded on
> by huge public support, will there be any movement forward? For now,
> Anna Hazare has won the first two rounds -- first, by finding his
> team a place on the joint drafting committee and the second round by
> forcing the Government to release him from jail. The Prime Minister
> has thrown up his hands saying he has no magical wand but if his
> Government is serious about tackling corruption, then it has to do
> better in handling this crisis. It should view this as a golden
> opportunity to rebuild its corruption-tainted image.
>
> http://dailypioneer.com/361766/Congresss-mismanaged-mess.html
>
> More at:
> http://www.dailypioneer.com
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
>
> > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> > In article
> <2b2f5cc4-7e30-49a5-8fbe-***@j1g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > Mirza Ghalib <***@gmx.com> posted:
> > > . . .
> > > . . . In today's India it just $4000,
> > > and buys just a little more than what it would in the
> > > USA. You know what $4000 buys in USA. . . .
> >
> > How things have changed over the decades!
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
> >
> > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> > >
> > > Forwarded post from S. D.
> > >
> > > Sunday, August 14, 2011
> > >
> > > Massive numbers showed in March in US for Anna Hazare in India Day
> > > Parade in New Jersey, USA
> > >
> > > see videos and photos links at the end... please forward to all email
> > > lists and post in your blogs and websites.
> > >
> > > it is a great event by all young people in usa.  india's young is
> > > rising and change has to come.  anna's record of service, his
> > > sacrifice,  is catching the imagination of all indians both in india
> > > and abroad.  let us pray and hope the country will turn around.
> > >
> > > PRESS RELEASE
> > >
> > > India Against Corruption
> > >
> > > Massive numbers showed in March for Anna Hazare in India Day Parade
> > > at New Jersey, USA
> > >
> > > August 14, 2011. Iselin, NJ.  The Indian Independence Day Parade was
> > > greeted by torrential rain and indomitable spirit of 150 volunteers
> > > of India Against Corruption adorning Anna Topi. Bollywood stars,
> > > Major business groups, Tourism industry, Religions groups, Television
> > > channels etc. participate in this parade organized by Indian Business
> > > Association, NJ. This New Jersey Independence day parade is a major
> > > annual event that attracts about 10 thousand people for the parade.
> > > The India Against Corruption contingent was the largest group of the
> > > whole parade.
> > >
> > > The volunteers braved severe weather and walked for about 2 hours in
> > > the rain. People from all walks of life -- technologists, engineers,
> > > business men, doctors, students etc. joined the parade. Old men,
> > > women, pregnant women, kids as young as 5 years old, walked in the
> > > rain. The volunteers were drenched and cold but their enthusiasm was
> > > not dampened. Flyers were distributed to all the people watching the
> > > parade. A sample poll of about 500 people watching the parade tallied
> > > 95% support for Anna Hazare’s movement. Volunteers were carrying
> > > slogans in support of Anna Hazare and Jan Lokpal. Volunteers also
> > > sang "Hum Honge Kam Yaab" in front of the main stage. The spirit was
> > > so contagious that the passers-by joined them too.  Many volunteers
> > > were carrying placards saying -- "I am Anna" in various languages
> > > like Hindi, English, Telugu, Tamil, Marathi etc.  The message also
> > > said "It is not one Anna. We are Thousands". This was to symbolize
> > > the spirit of nationalism that Anna has evoked in common man.
> > >
> > > This event was covered by major television channels. The volunteers
> > > in the parade, common people who joined to IAC, were interviewed by
> > > Television and media reporters. Isha, 10 years old was asked by one
> > > of the representative in hindi what this movement was about and she
> > > said that this was about supporting Anna Hazare who was fight
> > > corruption in India.  She also said she supported the movement whole-
> > > heartedly.
> > >
> > > The chants of vande maataram and Jai Hind boomed through the crowd,
> > > echoing the patriotic fervor of the participants. The message of the
> > > parade was to express the greatness of India and to communicate that
> > > the country can be the greatest if we eradicate corruption.  One of
> > > successful local commercial realtor was complementing IAC volunteers
> > > after the parade and said that the economic growth of our country was
> > > great but it could be much greater if not for corruption.
> > >
> > > One of the slogans in the parade was -- "Anna Hazare -- Desh Tere
> > > saath hai!  Videsh Tere saath hai!!". There are a lot of other events
> > > being held across the globe on Aug 14, 2011 to mark the Global
> > > Solidarity Day declared by IAC. The enthusiasm and support shown by
> > > NRIs for India is bound to inspire people in India.  The parade ended
> > > with all the volunteers singing the Indian National Anthem drenched
> > > in rain and standing in attention.
> > >
> > > This was an event of the common man, by the common man and for the
> > > common man -- a reflection of true democracy, an event in support of
> > > Jan Lokpal bill and Anna Hazare.
> > >
> > > Additional Video and Photo links for the event:
> > >
> > > YouTube:
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I8WT5CNlbA&feature=autoplay&list=PL37ABA3F39393C492
> > >
> > > Pictures:
> > >
> > > https://picasaweb.google.com/110804064056852150979/2011AugAnna?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCNThkNrniKyFuAE&feat=directlink
> > >
> > > Faith is the bird that feels the light and sings when the dawn is
> > > still dark. - R. Tagore
> > >
> > > End of forwarded post from S. D.
> >
> > Forwarded message from S. Kalyanaraman
> >
> > Anna Hazare fast and Sonia Govt's counter moves
> >
> > http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com/2011/08/anna-hazare-fast-and-sonia-govts.html
> >
> > Anna Hazare fast and Sonia Govt's counter moves
> >
> > Published: August 15, 2011 20:48 IST
> > Updated: August 16, 2011 04:15 IST 
> >
> > Anna Hazare calls for 'jail bharo'
> >
> > Gargi Parsai
> >
> > Social activist Anna Hazare during his visit to Rajghat on Monday on
> > the eve of his hunger strike for a stronger Lokpal Bill. Photo:
> > Sushil Kumar Verma
> >
> > The confrontation between social activist Anna Hazare and the
> > government on the Lokpal Bill took a turn for the worse on Monday
> > with the former giving a call to his supporters to fill jails all
> > over the country if he is arrested on Tuesday.
> >
> > Mr. Hazare was denied permission by the Delhi Police to stage his
> > fast here as his team refused to comply with all 22 conditions they
> > laid.
> >
> > Addressing journalists here after Prime Minister Manmohan Singh
> > criticised him for resorting to a fast as a protest when Parliament
> > was seized of the Lokpal Bill, the anti-corruption crusader said he
> > would go to the JP Park, the venue of his fast, even though the
> > police had imposed prohibitory orders.
> >
> > "I am given to understand that I will be refused permission. We will
> > go there. If I am arrested, I will continue my hunger strike in jail.
> > If I am released, I will go back to the venue and continue the fast.
> > This will go on,'' Mr. Hazare said. He gave a "lights off'' call
> > throughout the country to reflect the "darkness in the hearts of the
> > poor, deprived and dispossessed people.''
> >
> > He said that once he was arrested, people should fill the jails in
> > every village.
> >
> > Accusing the Prime Minister of speaking the same language as his
> > Cabinet colleague Kapil Sibal, Mr. Hazare said he was sure that if a
> > strong Lokpal was created there would be a 60 per cent end to
> > corruption.
> >
> > Before his news conference, the 74-year-old activist made a surprise
> > visit to the Rajghat taking the police unawares. He said he went
> > there for "introspection.''
> >
> > While senior United Progressive Alliance Ministers defended the
> > decision to withhold permission to Mr. Hazare as "necessary,'' the
> > Opposition Bharatiya Janata Party slammed the government for
> > "scuttling all voices of dissent.''
> >
> > CPI (M) leader Brinda Karat said one may or may not agree with Mr.
> > Hazare and his team on the Lokpal Bill but no one can question their
> > right to protest.
> >
> > Activist Arvind Kejriwal said the government's action was
> > "autocratic.''
> >
> > Lawyer Prashant Bhushan said they would move the court on Tuesday
> > against the decision of the Delhi Police.
> >
> > Karnataka Lokayukta Santosh Hegde, who is also a member of the Team
> > Anna's core team, said the government's action showed that it was
> > "nervous."
> >
> > Aruna Roy, Nikhil Dey and Shankar Singh of the Mazdoor Kisan Shakti
> > Sangathan also condemned the refusal of permission to Mr. Hazare.
> >
> > HT Correspondents, Hindustan Times
> >
> > New Delhi, August 15, 2011
> > First Published: 23:26 IST(15/8/2011)
> > Last Updated: 01:25 IST(16/8/2011)
> >
> > Police firm, Anna faces arrest
> >
> > With social activist Anna Hazare and his camp refusing to accept six
> > of the 22 conditions set by the Delhi Police for his fast to press
> > for a lokpal bill drafted by them, his arrest seemed imminent.
> >
> > Late Monday, 50 of Hazare's supporters were detained for gathering at
> > the proposed JP Park venue of the protest for violating prohibitory
> > orders, the police said.
> >
> > A lokpal bill incorporating several suggestions by the Anna Camp is
> > currently in Parliament but the activists said nothing less than a
> > complete acceptance of their version is acceptable. 
> >
> > "We will march to JP Park tomorrow morning and if arrested, I will
> > fast in custody. When I am released, I will go there again to start
> > my fast," Hazare declared at a press conference, dubbed as an
> > "address to the nation".
> >
> > Delhi Police spokesperson Rajan Bhagat said, "We have denied them
> > permission to protest at JP Park. Section 144 that restricts a
> > gathering of people has been imposed at the park and all roads
> > leading to it. If anyone tries to defy the orders, the punishment can
> > vary from preventive custody to arrest."
> >
> > The police told the Anna Camp that their agitation in JP Park near
> > ITO, it couldn't be allowed for more than three days.
> >
> > When the Anna Camp insisted on permission for an indefinite period,
> > the police offered a venue in Burari on the outskirts of the city,
> > which Hazare turned down.
> >
> > All other conditions set for the agitation are common to gatherings
> > in the city and guided by various court orders.
> >
> > Concluding an afternoon filled with drama, Hazare exhorted all
> > Indians to join him in jail as he could be arrested.
> >
> > "Lakhs of people will rise in my support in villages across India,
> > and there will be a jail bharo (fill prisons) agitation." Describing
> > the country's independence as fake and inadequate, Hazare said its
> > time for a "second independence struggle".
> >
> > Hazare earlier visited Rajghat, the resting place of Mahatma Gandhi,
> > for a "meditation".
> >
> > At a press conference later, Hazare thanked the media for supporting
> > his movement.
> >
> > "The media is the fourth pillar of democracy," he said, adding that
> > he is willing to "fetch water in Kapil Sibal's house" if the lokpal
> > bill suggested by him does not bring down corruption by "60 to 65%".
> >
> > Hazare however said his fight is not restricted to a lokpal but for a
> > systemic transformation.
> >
> > Elaborating, he said, "Eighty percent of Indians earn R20 or less a
> > day. Others are earning several thousands every day," adding that the
> > country is "being run by industrialists.
> >
> > Therefore, what we require is a systemic transformation, not merely a
> > change of government."
> >
> > He said he respected Parliament but asked why "this sacred place has
> > tainted people".
> >
> > http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/Print/733700.aspx
> >
> > Published: August 15, 2011 20:48 IST
> > Updated: August 16, 2011 04:15 IST 
> >
> > Anna Hazare calls for 'jail bharo'
> >
> > Gargi Parsai
> >
> > Social activist Anna Hazare during his visit to Rajghat on Monday on
> > the eve of his hunger strike for a stronger Lokpal Bill. Photo:
> > Sushil Kumar Verma
> >
> > The confrontation between social activist Anna Hazare and the
> > government on the Lokpal Bill took a turn for the worse on Monday
> > with the former giving a call to his supporters to fill jails all
> > over the country if he is arrested on Tuesday.
> >
> > Mr. Hazare was denied permission by the Delhi Police to stage his
> > fast here as his team refused to comply with all 22 conditions they
> > laid.
> >
> > Addressing journalists here after Prime Minister Manmohan Singh
> > criticised him for resorting to a fast as a protest when Parliament
> > was seized of the Lokpal Bill, the anti-corruption crusader said he
> > would go to the JP Park, the venue of his fast, even though the
> > police had imposed prohibitory orders.
> >
> > "I am given to understand that I will be refused permission. We will
> > go there. If I am arrested, I will continue my hunger strike in jail.
> > If I am released, I will go back to the venue and continue the fast.
> > This will go on,'' Mr. Hazare said. He gave a "lights off'' call
> > throughout the country to reflect the "darkness in the hearts of the
> > poor, deprived and dispossessed people.''
> >
> > He said that once he was arrested, people should fill the jails in
> > every village.
> >
> > Accusing the Prime Minister of speaking the same language as his
> > Cabinet colleague Kapil Sibal, Mr. Hazare said he was sure that if a
> > strong Lokpal was created there would be a 60 per cent end to
> > corruption.
> >
> > Before his news conference, the 74-year-old activist made a surprise
> > visit to the Rajghat taking the police unawares. He said he went
> > there for "introspection.''
> >
> > While senior United Progressive Alliance Ministers defended the
> > decision to withhold permission to Mr. Hazare as "necessary,'' the
> > Opposition Bharatiya Janata Party slammed the government for
> > "scuttling all voices of dissent.''
> >
> > CPI (M) leader Brinda Karat said one may or may not agree with Mr.
> > Hazare and his team on the Lokpal Bill but no one can question their
> > right to protest.
> >
> > Activist Arvind Kejriwal said the government's action was
> > "autocratic.''
> >
> > Lawyer Prashant Bhushan said they would move the court on Tuesday
> > against the decision of the Delhi Police.
> >
> > Karnataka Lokayukta Santosh Hegde, who is also a member of the Team
> > Anna's core team, said the government's action showed that it was
> > "nervous."
> >
> > Aruna Roy, Nikhil Dey and Shankar Singh of the Mazdoor Kisan Shakti
> > Sangathan also condemned the refusal of permission to Mr. Hazare.
> >
> > http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article2359459.ece?homepage=true
> >
> > India against corruption: PM holds huddle leaving out key Sonia aides
> >
> > TNN
> > Aug 16, 2011, 02.47AM IST
> >
> > Indraprasth aka New Delhi - Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Monday
> > seemed to be taking charge of Congress's counter-offensive against
> > Anna Hazare by holding a huddle with senior party leaders, including
> > Rahul Gandhi and finance minister Pranab Mukherjee. 
> >
> > The rare initiative came just after the flag-hoisting ceremony at
> > Congress headquarters, and was at variance with the perception that
> > Singh, with the exception of his insistence on pushing the Indo-US
> > nuclear deal through, has been content following the party's lead. 
> >
> > Information and broadcasting minister Ambika Soni and general
> > secretary Janardan Dwivedi were part of the deliberations which,
> > among other things, focused on assessing how the confrontation with
> > civil society might play out in the media. 
> >
> > The unusual display of leadership on a political issue came against
> > the backdrop of the assessment in Congress about the divide between
> > PMO and party brass on how to tackle the challenge from Anna's camp. 
> >
> > The remarkable feature of the impromptu conclave was the exclusion of
> > two of Sonia Gandhi's most trusted aides - defence minister A K
> > Antony and the Congress chief's political secretary Ahmed Patel. Both
> > Antony and Patel were present at the AICC when Singh started the
> > consultations. The duo could not get out of the premises because of
> > the security bandobast SPG had put in place for the PM and had to
> > wait in social justice minister Mukul Wasnik's room till Singh and
> > his chosen few ended the deliberations. 
> >
> > The composition of what was instantly termed the PM's own "core
> > group" stunned AICC watchers. 
> >
> > Antony is a member of the elite bodies - Cabinet committees on
> > political affairs, and security. Significantly, his name featured on
> > the top of the 'group of four' named by Sonia to look after
> > organizational affairs in her absence. 
> >
> > The PM's initiative is significant against the growing backdrop of
> > growing perception in AICC circles about a disconnect between the PMO
> > and Congress leadership on how to deal with Anna's campaign.
> > Ministers like Kapil Sibal, who are considered to be advising the PM,
> > are for an aggressive response, whereas significant sections in the
> > party favour a politically calibrated approach. 
> >
> > There are misgivings in the party over the frontal assault party
> > spokesperson Manish Tewari was instructed to launch on the Gandhian.
> > Although party circles acknowledge that the provocation came from the
> > Anna group, they feel the party should have refrained from targeting
> > Anna personally. As against this, elements in the government are
> > against holding fire in the hostilities with civil society. 
> >
> > Amid a sense of puzzlement in the Congress over the aggression on
> > Saturday, senior party sources stressed that they don't favour
> > personal attacks. "Hazare has made unwarranted attacks on Congress
> > instead of focusing on government and others. However, we will not
> > stoop to that level and let incivility mar our response," a senior
> > party office-bearer said.
> >
> > http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/PM-holds-huddle-on-Anna-campaign-leaving-out-key-Sonia-aides/articleshow/9617001.cms
> >
> > India against corruption: 50 supporters of Hazare detained at fast venue
> >
> > PTI
> > Aug 16, 2011, 12.09AM IST
> >
> > Indraprasth aka New Delhi - At least 50 supporters of Anna Hazare
> > were tonight detained by Delhi police at Jai Prakash Narain Park, the
> > venue of the anti-graft crusader's planned fast from tomorrow, for
> > defying prohibitory orders clamped in the area. 
> >
> > The supporters of the Gandhian were taken in a police bus to a nearby
> > police station, police said. Hazare has been denied permission by
> > Delhi police to hold his fast at JPN park. 
> >
> > They had gathered ahead of Hazare's fast for a strong Lokpal bill to
> > express solidarity with him. 
> >
> > Delhi Police spokesperson Rajan Bhagat said prohibitory orders under
> > Section 144 CrPC in some areas of Daryaganj and IP police stations in
> > Central Delhi, which include Jai Prakash Narain Park and Shaheed
> > Park, were clamped this evening. The section prohibits the assembly
> > of five or more people in one place. 
> >
> > The areas where prohibitory orders have been imposed include
> > Shantivan to Rajghat, Rajghat to Jawahar Lal Nehru Marg, Aruna Asaf
> > Ali Marg to JLN Marg, Delhi Gate to Tilak Marg on Bahadurshah Zafar
> > Marg. 
> >
> > The orders came following police denying permission to Hazare to hold
> > the protest at the park after organisers refused to give an
> > undertaking restricting the number of protest days to three and
> > protestors to 5,000. 
> >
> > A large contingent of police, including women personnel, have been
> > deployed around JPN Park to ensure that no untoward incident takes
> > place. 
> >
> > Delhi Police meanwhile sought the services of two magistrates from
> > the city government. 
> >
> > Sources said Delhi Police have requested principal secretary (home)
> > of the city government to provide them with two magistrates whose
> > services might be required to handle the law and order situation
> > during the proposed protest. 
> >
> > Top officials also reviewed the situation at Police Headquarters. 
> >
> > Union Home Secretary RK Singh held a meeting with Delhi Police
> > Commissioner BK Gupta and other senior officials at the Police
> > Headquarters here to take stock of the measures taken by the force to
> > tackle any untoward situation.
> >
> > http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/India-against-corruption-50-supporters-of-Hazare-detained-at-fast-venue/articleshow/9615987.cms
> >
> > Delhi Police plans 'Gandhigiri'
> >
> > By Pramod Kumar Singh
> > The Pioneer
> > Tuesday, August 16, 2011
> >
> > Unarmed, but ready to put the Gandhian and supporters behind bars 
> >
> > Indraprasth aka New Delhi - With Anna Hazare and his colleagues being
> > denied permission for their proposed fast at Jai Prakash Narayan
> > Park, battle lines have been drawn. However, the Delhi Police plans
> > to score brownie points with the people by adopting 'Gandhian
> > methods' of maintaining law and order. 
> >
> > Anna and his supporters will be taken into custody by the Delhi
> > Police if they try to enter Jai Prakash Narayan Park on Tuesday
> > morning. However, senior Delhi Police officials said that officers of
> > Delhi Police detailed for the duty would be unarmed and maximum
> > restraint would be exercised in dealing with the situation.
> >
> > However, it is unlikely that this will be the only line of deployment
> > for disallowing protests by Hazare and his group. The Delhi Police
> > has already deployed a large number of moveable barricades in Central
> > and New Delhi districts to prevent Anna and his supporters from going
> > to the announced place. The anti-riot first battalion of the armed
> > police would be on standby. "However, the police manning the
> > barricades would all be unarmed and request protesters not to move
> > further," informed a Delhi Police officer.
> >
> > Special Branch of the Delhi Police has reported that those coming to
> > JP Park are expected to be peaceful and there was little likelihood
> > of violence. But the situation could change if Anna and his
> > supporters decided to move to any other venue and needed protection,
> > a senior Delhi Police official said.
> >
> > The Delhi Police have chalked out an elaborate plan after Union Home
> > Secretary RK Singh visited the Delhi Police Headquarters on Monday
> > afternoon to review the situation as a showdown between the Team Anna
> > and the police appears inevitable. Intelligence wing of the Delhi
> > Police has cautioned the Central and New Delhi district police that
> > Anna and his supporters could spring a last minute surprise and could
> > go either to Rajghat or Jantar Mantar or even to 10 Janpath, the
> > residence of Congress president Sonia Gandhi. 
> >
> > Delhi Police officers said that they could very well block entry to
> > all these places if the situation so demanded and any attempt to
> > breach the police cordon would be "dealt in a firm albeit peaceful
> > manner."
> >
> > "Since Section 144 has been imposed in Central district, no assembly
> > of people would be allowed near the park," the official added. 
> >
> > The imposition of section 144 would mean that protests at the nearby
> > Ramlila Maidan and Rajghat would also not be allowed. Sources said
> > that Union Home Secretary asked Delhi Police Commissioner BK Gupta to
> > be careful while planning security arrangements and handle Tuesday
> > protest with minimum use of force. 
> >
> > "The Delhi Police has taken several measures to avoid a Ramlila
> > Maidan like situation," the official added. The Delhi Police used a
> > heavy hand to evict the supporters of Baba Ramdev in June after the
> > negotiations between the Government and the Yog Guru failed to reach
> > conclusion.
> >
> > In a significant development, the Delhi Government has permitted the
> > Delhi Police to use Chhatrasal Stadium as a makeshift jail to house
> > Anna Hazare and his supporters after they are arrested. The Delhi
> > Police has requested the Delhi Government to provide either
> > Chhatrasal stadium or the State Guest House 33 Shamnath Marg on
> > Alipur Road for using it as temporary jail. Chief Secretary PK
> > Tripathi, Home Principal Secretary Arvind Ray and DG Prisons Neeraj
> > Kumar were present in the meeting.
> >
> > Meanwhile, when asked why permission was denied to Anna Hazare in the
> > first place, Joint Commissioner of Police, Northern Range, Sudhir
> > Yadav told The Pioneer, "The Supreme Court has very clearly set
> > guidelines about such type of fasts and sit-ins. They refused to
> > comply with our six major conditions out of 22, the permission was
> > accordingly denied. Now any move to hold a protest near JP Park will
> > be dealt according to the provisions of law." When asked whether the
> > Delhi Police could go for preventive arrests to prevent Anna and his
> > supporters from going to JP Park, the Joint CP replied in negative.
> > He said, "There is no need as the Delhi Police was capable of
> > handling any situation that may emerge on Tuesday morning. Central
> > district police has requisitioned buses to move Anna and his
> > supporters in the event of them being detained for violating
> > prohibitory orders." 
> >
> > http://www.dailypioneer.com/361100/Delhi-Police-plans-Gandhigiri.html
> >
> > Anna Hazare to begin fast today, people across India switch off
> > lights in support
> >
> > ITGD Bureau
> > August 15, 2011 - 19:04
> >
> > Anna Hazare addresses media in New Delhi on Monday.
> >
> > Indraprasth aka New Delhi - Anna Hazare is all set for a full blown
> > confrontation with the government on the Lokpal Bill, giving a call
> > to his supporters to fill up jails all over the country if he is
> > arrested on Tuesday after he was denied permission to hold indefinite
> > fast in the national capital.
> >
> > Addressing a press conference after Prime Minister Manmohan Singh
> > slammed him for resorting to fast as a protest when Parliament was
> > seized of the Lokpal bill, the Gandhian said he will go to J P park
> > on Tuesday, the venue of his fast even though Delhi police has
> > imposed prohibitory orders.
> >
> > "My mission begins tomorrow, we have a long fight ahead," Hazare
> > said.
> >
> > "I come to understand that I will be refused permission. We will go
> > there. If I am arrested, I will continue my hunger strike in the
> > jail. If I am released, I will go back to the venue and this circle
> > will continue," he said at a 30-minute press conference that came to
> > an end to coincide with his "lights-off" call throughout the country
> > from 8 pm.
> >
> > He said once he is arrested, people should fill up the jails in every
> > village across the country. "Going to jail for the country is no
> > crime...It is a decoration," he said.
> >
> > He accused the Prime Minister of "speaking" the language of his
> > ministerial colleague Kapil Sibal saying that the Lokpal bill was
> > before Parliament which will take the call.
> >
> > Before his press conference, the 73-year old activist made an
> > unscheduled visit to Rajghat, where he sat in meditation. Soon after
> > the news of his being at the Gandhi Samadhi, hundreds of supporters
> > gathered around him.
> >
> > Earlier in the day, Delhi Police refused permission to Gandhian and
> > his supporters saying that team Hazare have refused to give an
> > undertaking on restricting the number of days of protest and
> > protesters besides four other conditions.
> >
> > Sudhir Yadav, Joint Commissioner of Police (Northern Range), said
> > anybody assembling at the Park on Tuesday would face legal action.
> >
> > "We have denied the permission. Nobody is supposed to come to the
> > park. If somebody comes there, it is unlawful. They will be handled
> > according to law. If they do that, it is violation of law," Yadav
> > said as police prepared to lock down the grounds.
> >
> > Union Home Secretary R K Singh reviewed the situation with Delhi
> > Police Commissioner B K Gupta and other top officials at the police
> > headquarters.
> >
> > Hazare's protest on Tuesday is in pursuit of his campaign for a
> > strong Lokpal that will have under its ambit Prime Minister, higher
> > judiciary, conduct of MPs in Parliament and other provisions. The
> > bill introduced in Parliament excludes these institutions.
> >
> > In his speech at the Red Fort on Monday morning, the Prime Minister
> > decried Hazare going on fast and said Parliament alone will decide on
> > Lokpal and those having grievances should approach Parliamentary
> > Committees for airing their views.
> >
> > At his press conference, Hazare said corruption has crossed all
> > limits and is all pervasive in various sectors, including education
> > and jobs.
> >
> > He said even after Jan Lokpal is passed, there is no guarantee that
> > corruption will be eliminated 100 per cent but he was confident that
> > it would end at least up to 60-65 per cent. "If it does not happen, I
> > am ready to serve water at Kapil Sibal's house," he said.
> >
> > Hazare said the fight against corruption has just begin and will not
> > stop even if Lokpal bill passed. The struggle for the change will
> > continue and it is a long battle, he said.
> >
> > "It is now a fight to the finish," he said, adding they were not for
> > pulling down the government but if falls in the process, they don't
> > care.
> >
> > He also said his protest will be non-violent because non-violence was
> > a powerful weapon.
> >
> > Referring to the Prime Minister's remarks that the Lokpal bill was
> > before Parliament, he said "We have to accept Parliament. We have
> > trust in Parliament but the bill that has gone before it is not
> > proper."
> >
> > The activist said the provisions like appointment and removal of
> > Lokpal were serious issues on which government made promises but
> > suddenly it changed its stand and "betrayed us".
> >
> > Speaking about repeated assertions from the government's side that he
> > was undermining democracy, he said, "Don't we know democracy? Is
> > democracy only wining elections after spending money. Four MPs are in
> > jail and there are charges against nearly 150 others."
> >
> > Hazare said government was working only for big industrialists
> > acquiring lands from farmers and was not working for the poor.
> >
> > - With PTI inputs
> >
> > http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/story/lokpal-bill-anna-hazare-addresses-media/1/148140.html
> >
> > S. Kalyanaraman
> >
> > https://sites.google.com/site/indianoceancommunity1/
> > http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com
> > http://tinyurl.com/3w6ojj6 (Indus Script Cipher)
> > http://tinyurl.com/4xguuoh (Rastram: Flipkart in India)
> >
> > End of forwarded message from S. Kalyanaraman
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
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Army appreciates Anna job records

By Kumar Shakti Shekhar
The Pioneer
Sunday, August 21, 2011

Indraprasth aka New Delhi - In another blow to the Congress, the Army
has praised the service of anti-corruption crusader Anna Hazare in
the force.

In reply to an RTI query, the Army has said Kisan Baburao Hazare
(popularly known as Hazare) was "honourably discharged" from the
Indian Army on completion of service. It has also clarified that he
neither ever deserted the Indian Army nor was punished. On the
contrary, he got five medals for his service.

RTI activist Subhash Chandra Agrawal has expressed surprise over the
fact that the Army sent him some replies which he did not even seek.
He has also expressed shock over the correspondence between him and
the Army getting "leaked" to a "third party" (Congress).

Congress spokesperson Manish Tewari had, on August 14, come down
heavily on Hazare and accused him of preaching transparency but not
replying to the Army's letter to him dated May 27 seeking details of
his contribution to the Army.

Army Service Corps (ASC) Records (South), Bangalore, in its reply
dated August 3 has said Hazare, after enrolling on April 14, 1963,
completed his training at Aurangabad. His designation, when he joined
the service was a Recruit. He was attested as soldier on November 16,
1963. He held the rank of Sepoy at the time of leaving the service.

He was enrolled with terms of engagement of 10 years of colour
service and 10 years of Reserve service. On completion of 10 years of
colour service, he was granted extension of colour service with
effect from April 14, 1973 till his service was required. He was
transferred to reserve establishment on August 4, 1975 and finally
discharged from Reserve Establishment on April 30, 1983.

"Yes, he was honourably discharged from the Indian Army on completion
of Service. As per records held with this office, he had never
deserted the Indian Army. Following medals were notified: Sainya Seva
Medal with clasp Bengal Assam, nine years' long Service Medal,
Sangram Medal, 25th Independent Anniversary Medal and Pashchimi Star.
No punishment as per service record," said the reply.

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> Forwarded message from S. Kalyanaraman
>
> Anna Hazare announces new revolution for second independence, recalls
> 1942 Quit India movement
>
> http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com/2011/08/postal-stamp-to-commemorate-swami.html
>
> Postal stamp to commemorate Swami Vivekananda's birth
>
> Friday August 12, 2011
>
> Postal stamp to commemorate Swami Vivekananda's birth
>
> By Jayagandi Jayaraj 
> Photos by P. Nathan
>
> TO commemorate the 150th birth anniversary of Swami Vivekanand (1863-
> 2013), Ramakrishna Mission Malaysia observed the release of the
> 'Arise, Awake!' postal stamp on Aug 2.
>
> The stamp takes inspiration from the holy man's famous quote "Arise,
> Awake! Stop not till the goal is reached".
>
> Centre president Swami Supriyananda said with the release of the
> stamp by Pos Malaysia, the mission was gearing up to celebrate
> Vivekananda's 150 years in a fit and proper manner appropriate to his
> universally respected stature as a world teacher, thinker, leader,
> prophet, pathfinder and humanity benefactor.
>
> New series: The newly-released stamp.
>
> In line with that, a series of Personality Development programmes for
> youths through Vivekananda's life and message are being planned for
> two years, 2012 and 2013, all over Malaysia.
>
> Supriyananda said the mission had lined up the set of programmes to
> help them with inner confidence and character.
>
> "The half-day free programmes will be starting next month, and they
> will focus on physical, mental and spiritual health. We go to gyms to
> develop the body, and to temples to perform rituals, but a positive
> mentality also needs to be built. When you build character, you have
> everything," he said after the event held at the mission's centre in
> Petaling Jaya.
>
> Also present at the event were Ramakrishna Mission, Belue Math, India
> general secretary Swami Prabhananda, and Toh Puan Uma Sambanthan.
>
> http://www.thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?sec=central&file=/2011/8/12/central/9261026
>
> http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com/2011/08/anna-hazare-announces-new-revolution.html
>
> Anna Hazare announces new revolution for second independence, recalls
> 1942 Quit India movement
>
> Anna at Ramlila Ground, says fight far from over
>
> Agencies
> 19 Aug 2011, 1414 hrs IST
>
> After spending three days in Tihar Jail, anti-corruption crusader
> Anna Hazare on Friday (August 19) reached the Ramlila Maidan to
> continue his indefinite fast for a strong Jan Lokpal Bill. Addressing
> the massive crowd gathered at the venue, the 74-year-old veteran
> Gandhian urged them to continue the fight for a strong Lokpal Bill. 
>
> Anna Hazare said, "The fight against corruption will continue whether
> I am alive or not. We must not give up our fight for a strong Lokpal
> Bill. We will not vacate this ground till the Jan Lokpal Bill comes
> into effect."
>
> In a massive show of support, a sea of humanity followed the civil
> society leader on the streets of Delhi as he made his way to the
> Ramlila Ground to hold his fast. The moment Anna Hazare emerged out
> of the Tihar Jail after spending three days there, thousands who were
> camping outside the high profile prison welcomed him by cheering
> loudly and chanting slogans. 
>
> On route to Ramlila Maidan, Anna visited Rajghat, samadhi of Mahatma
> Gandhi. Hazare supporters accompanied the procession waving the tri-
> colour while he accepted greetings from people gathered on either
> side of the road in West Delhi. The improvised vehicle had a huge
> umbrella to protect Hazare and his close aides from the pounding
> rain. Apart from walking along with Hazare's vehicle, the supporters
> followed him on bikes, jeeps and cars.
>
> The procession affected vehicular traffic in and around the Tihar
> prison premises including in Janakpuri, Mayapuri and Hari Nagar in
> West Delhi. 
>
> The tireless Hazare was greeted by the supporters with garlands and
> bouquets at various intersections en-route his procession which was
> marked by chants of 'Anna' and "Vande Mataram". 
>
> Children, housewives and others were seen standing on their balconies
> and rooftops to have a glimpse of Hazare and the procession.
> Protesters expressed happiness over the 74-year-old Gandhian's
> decision to come out from the prison complex following rounds of
> negotiations with the police and authorities to decide on agitation
> venue to undertake hunger strike. 
>
> Hazare had planned to begin his fast for a stronger Lokpal Bill at
> the J.P. Park in the ITO area Tuesday. 
>
> Delhi Police imposed certain conditions before the protest could be
> allowed. Hazare however refused to agree, after which the police
> detained him and his associates Tuesday. 
>
> He was sent to Tihar and was subsequently released Tuesday night, but
> he refused to leave the jail until allowed to carry on the fast
> without any conditions. 
>
> Hazare has been demanding the government to bring the prime minister,
> higher judiciary and the conduct of MPs inside parliament within the
> ambit of the Lokpal (ombudsman).
>
> http://www.timesnow.tv/Anna-at-Ramlila-Ground-says-fight-far-from-over/articleshow/4381710.cms
>
> http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com/2011/08/its-middle-class-stupid-swagato-ganguly.html
>
> http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com/2011/08/pc-should-quit-over-anna-arrest-says.html
>
> PC should quit over Anna arrest, says Swamy
>
> Express News Service , The New Indian Express
> Posted on Aug 19, 2011 at 09:41am IST
>
> Chennai: Janata Party president Subramanian Swamy on Thursday
> demanded resignation of Union Home Minister P Chidambaram over the
> "illegal" arrest of anti-corruption crusader Anna Hazare.
>
> "The arrest of Hazare is not a collective responsibility of the
> Cabinet. Law and Order is the sole responsibility of the Home
> Minister and he should take responsibility and put in his papers,"
> said Swamy. The treatment meted out to a respected person like Anna
> Hazare has spoiled the reputation of the country, he said. "The
> government owes an apology to Hazare. As part of the atonement,
> Chidambaram should be removed," he said.
>
> Swamy also demanded immediate dissolution of the Lok Sabha and
> holding of a mid-term poll over the "illegal arrest" of Anna Hazare
> and his colleagues.
>
> Swamy, the brain behind 2G spectrum case, said he would seek
> Chidambaram be named as a co-accused in the case along with former
> telecom minister A Raja during the court hearing on August 24.
> Interestingly, Swamy's statement comes close on the heels of Raja's
> demand that Chidambaram be made a witness. Raja had told court that
> Chidambaram, who was Finance Minister when the spectrum allocation
> took place, "cleared the sale of equity in Swan and Unitech, so he is
> bound to come to court as a witness".
>
> To a query over National Minority Commission's decision to serve
> notice on him over his article in a newspaper, Swamy said he is yet
> to receive such a notice.
>
> http://ibnlive.in.com/news/pc-should-quit-over-anna-arrest-says-swamy/176793-60-118.html
>
> It's the middle class, stupid - Swagato Ganguly
>
> It's the middle class, stupid
>
> Swagato Ganguly
> August 19, 2011, 12.00 a.m. IST
>
> Nobody within the government saw it coming. The middle class has
> risen massively in support of Anna Hazare, upsetting the government's
> calculations about being able to manage the anti-corruption movement
> easily. In doing so, the middle class has upended the received wisdom
> that it is politically apathetic. 
>
> Some element of that received wisdom must have played its part in the
> government's assessment that the Hazare group was just an
> unrepresentative bunch of civil society activists who would be easily
> browbeaten. That assessment has proven spectacularly wrong, with the
> government having to eat humble pie on the very day he was arrested.
> It's clear by now that Hazare's arrest was the spark that lit a
> prairie fire of protests across the country. 
>
> The middle class has stamped its character on those protests in many
> ways, not limited to the goodly number of professionals, white-collar
> workers, housewives and college students hitting the streets in
> support of Anna. The protests are novel in that they have been
> remarkably disciplined and peaceful wherever they have been staged -
> as opposed to the rioting, stone-throwing, brick-batting, arson,
> prolonged public bandhs and damage to property that are the norm for
> political protests in India. 
>
> Moreover, instead of being relayed through caste, clan and kinship
> networks or routed through political parties, the organisers have
> used modern forms of communication - such as text messages, Twitter
> and Facebook - or relied on secular civic organisations to quickly
> assemble large crowds. And there's no denying the role that
> saturation television coverage has played in transmitting their
> message. 
>
> That has caused some commentators to glibly conclude that the
> protests are a superficial TV phenomenon that will die down when the
> TV cameras go away. But the point about 24x7 news coverage is that
> the TV cameras never go away. In that sense, we live in an inherently
> tele-visual society; this has played a role in seminal events in
> history. The fall of the Berlin Wall, for instance, has been
> attributed partly to the beaming of West German TV images into East
> German homes, allowing people in the communist half a glimpse into
> life in West Germany. 
>
> For many of those who have hit the streets, it isn't really about the
> merits or demerits of the Jan Lokpal over the Lokpal Bill, of which
> they have only a hazy idea. Rather, the Lokpal debate is merely a
> trigger for the sense of inchoate rage they feel at a political
> system which displays contempt for their priorities. It's not
> divorced, for example, from their response to the outrageous loot of
> Commonwealth Games coffers, or to the fact that 76 MPs in the current
> Lok Sabha - 14% of its total strength - stand accused of not ordinary
> but serious crimes such as murder, kidnapping, extortion, rape. 
>
> For politicians of the old order (and professional pols belong mostly
> to the old order), only the two ends of the social spectrum matter.
> While moneyed elites can bring in the moolah, the poor masses have
> the votes. The middle classes don't figure in this equation. On the
> other hand, when a middle-class person looks at the taxes deducted
> from his hard-earned salary, he's liable to ask what the government
> is doing with his taxes. That's a basis of democratic politics
> everywhere, but given shoddy governance standards in India the
> answers - or more accurately the lack of answers - are likely to
> enrage him. Taken in its widest sense, the theme of corruption is
> just a metaphorical way of broaching the question - what are you
> doing with my money? 
>
> It's here that India has arrived at an inflexion point. The middle
> class (defined as those with monthly household income between Rs
> 20,000 and Rs 100,000) has exploded in numbers from 25 million in
> 1996 to 160 million currently. By 2015, it's expected to hit 267
> million. That makes it a significant proportion of the electorate, a
> 'vote bank' politicians can no longer afford to overlook. Moreover,
> this rapid rise in numbers indicates a shift in the balance of power
> within the middle class itself. The 'new' middle class - which owes
> nothing to state employment - is eclipsing the 'old' middle class
> that was a creation of the pre-liberalisation Nehruvian state. 
>
> The old middle class is less likely to question the state, since it
> is dependent for employment, professional life and pensions on the
> state. Moreover, its symbolic economy and world view are convergent
> with that of the state itself, and therefore its needs are better
> taken care of. It is the new middle class that has reason to feel
> disconnected. And it will count more and more as a strategic factor
> in Indian politics. 
>
> Anna Hazare is just a catalyst who happens to chime with the middle-
> class mood today. But the arrival of the new middle class is a more
> lasting phenomenon than Hazare himself. Just like the TV cameras,
> this middle class is not going to go away. Smart politicians had
> better hone their strategies to co-opt middle-class rage. They ignore
> it at their peril.
>
> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/opinion/edit-page/Its-the-middle-class-stupid/articleshow/9651012.cms
>
> S. Kalyanaraman
>
> https://sites.google.com/site/indianoceancommunity1/
> http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com
> http://tinyurl.com/3w6ojj6 (Indus Script Cipher)
> http://tinyurl.com/4xguuoh (Rastram: Flipkart in India)
>
> End of forwarded message from S. Kalyanaraman
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
>
> > Congress's mismanaged mess
> >
> > By Kalyani Shankar
> > Op-Ed
> > The Pioneer
> > http://www.dailypioneer.com
> > Friday, August 19, 2011
> >
> > The only reason why Anna Hazare, who till recently was unknown
> > outside Maharashtra, has attained the status of a national hero is
> > because the UPA Government has repeatedly mishandled his agitation
> >
> > If anyone is to be blamed for the sudden larger-than-life persona of
> > civil society leader Anna Hazare, it is the Government for it allowed
> > him to assume such a role. Four months ago, Anna Hazare did not even
> > have a fraction of the popularity he enjoys today. In fact, he was
> > barely known outside of Maharashtra. He also had no Team Anna.
> >
> > But then, Anna Hazare seized the issue of ‘aam admi' based on which
> > the Congress had come to power in 2004 and again in 2009. This made
> > it difficult for the Congress as it could be seen fighting anyone but
> > simply not the aam admi.
> >
> > However, the defining moment of Anna Hazare's movement was the day he
> > was arrested and sent to jail. At that moment, the fight moved from
> > the Lokpal Bill to the citizen's right to protest which gathered him
> > enormous support. The one telling picture of Anna Hazare meditating
> > in Rajghat also added to his cause. That is when his popularity
> > increased manifold and he became a larger than life persona.
> >
> > Of course, the electronic media also built him overnight as one
> > comparable to Mahatma Gandhi and Jayaprakash Narayan, and his
> > movement against corruption is now likened to freedom struggle of
> > yesteryears.
> >
> > So the question is could his arrest have been avoided? The answer to
> > that is yes. The Government could have handled Anna Hazare case with
> > more sensitivity. If his arrest was a surprise, his release too has
> > raised many eyebrows. Many would think that now if the genie is out
> > of the bottle, it cannot be put back.
> >
> > But arresting Anna Hazare was not the first mistake the Government
> > had committed. Starting from April when Anna Hazare was fasting at
> > Jantar Mantar, the Government had committed a series of one faux pas,
> > one after the other.
> >
> > First, the Government gave him legitimacy when he initially started
> > talking about corruption. As the NDA convenor Sharad Yadav pointed
> > out that while the Opposition had been discussing corruption and
> > price rise, the Government gave Anna Hazare credibility by
> > negotiating with him and his team. The Prime Minister met him, Ms
> > Sonia Gandhi appealed to him to not go on a fast and finally, the
> > Government in a knee-jerk reaction invited Team Anna to participate
> > in the joint drafting committee on the Lokpal Bill. The Government in
> > fact went all out to engage the Team Anna.
> >
> > The next mistake was not handling the whole thing as a political
> > issue but treating it as a legal issue instead. Political problems
> > have to be dealt with political tact. But the Ministers in charge
> > only talked in legal terms while Team Anna went ahead and mobilised
> > public support. Then, when the Government tried to project Team Anna
> > as one that was dictating terms to Parliament, the Opposition saw it
> > fit to side with Team Anna in both Houses of Parliament. By now to
> > the dismay of the Government, the focus had shifted from the Lokpal
> > Bill to that of a citizen's right to protest peacefully. The
> > Opposition had also united in blaming the treasury benches for
> > mishandling the Anna Hazare issue.
> >
> > The Government's third mistake was its failure to communicate to the
> > public the rationale behind its decision to arrest Anna Hazare and
> > his aides. This was despite the fact that a high profile group of
> > Ministers had been put in charge. Team Anna, on the other hand, was
> > not only media-savvy but also use the latest information technology
> > including Twitter and Facebook to gain public sympathy. They even
> > smartly recorded Anna Hazare's message on Youtube, even before he was
> > arrested and televised the message as soon as he was taken into
> > custody. In fact, the team has won the media war to a large extent
> > for its ability to anticipate future events.
> >
> > The Government's fourth mistake was perhaps to ‘realise' that Anna
> > Hazare was corrupt much after it had engaged Team Anna and involved
> > it in the drafting of the Lokpal Bill. They dug out the old 2003
> > Justice Sawant report that alleged that Anna Hazare was corrupt. This
> > personal vilification of Anna Hazare backfired to a large extent with
> > the result that Mr Rahul Gandhi had to step in and make sure that
> > there were no more personal attack on Team Anna. The fifth mistake
> > was that after arresting Anna Hazare, the Government could have
> > released him instead of allowing him seek bail. Since Anna Hazare
> > refused to seek bail, he had to be lodged in Tihar Jail along with
> > Suresh Kalmadi and A Raja. The Government did ultimately release him
> > but if it had done this sooner, then it could have saved face.
> >
> > So, with the Government not willing to yield and Team Anna, goaded on
> > by huge public support, will there be any movement forward? For now,
> > Anna Hazare has won the first two rounds -- first, by finding his
> > team a place on the joint drafting committee and the second round by
> > forcing the Government to release him from jail. The Prime Minister
> > has thrown up his hands saying he has no magical wand but if his
> > Government is serious about tackling corruption, then it has to do
> > better in handling this crisis. It should view this as a golden
> > opportunity to rebuild its corruption-tainted image.
> >
> > http://dailypioneer.com/361766/Congresss-mismanaged-mess.html
> >
> > More at:
> > http://www.dailypioneer.com
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
> >
> > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> > >
> > > In article
> > <2b2f5cc4-7e30-49a5-8fbe-***@j1g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
> > >
> > > Mirza Ghalib <***@gmx.com> posted:
> > > > . . .
> > > > . . . In today's India it just $4000,
> > > > and buys just a little more than what it would in the
> > > > USA. You know what $4000 buys in USA. . . .
> > >
> > > How things have changed over the decades!
> > >
> > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > Om Shanti
> > >
> > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> > > >
> > > > Forwarded post from S. D.
> > > >
> > > > Sunday, August 14, 2011
> > > >
> > > > Massive numbers showed in March in US for Anna Hazare in India Day
> > > > Parade in New Jersey, USA
> > > >
> > > > see videos and photos links at the end... please forward to all email
> > > > lists and post in your blogs and websites.
> > > >
> > > > it is a great event by all young people in usa.  india's young is
> > > > rising and change has to come.  anna's record of service, his
> > > > sacrifice,  is catching the imagination of all indians both in india
> > > > and abroad.  let us pray and hope the country will turn around.
> > > >
> > > > PRESS RELEASE
> > > >
> > > > India Against Corruption
> > > >
> > > > Massive numbers showed in March for Anna Hazare in India Day Parade
> > > > at New Jersey, USA
> > > >
> > > > August 14, 2011. Iselin, NJ.  The Indian Independence Day Parade was
> > > > greeted by torrential rain and indomitable spirit of 150 volunteers
> > > > of India Against Corruption adorning Anna Topi. Bollywood stars,
> > > > Major business groups, Tourism industry, Religions groups, Television
> > > > channels etc. participate in this parade organized by Indian Business
> > > > Association, NJ. This New Jersey Independence day parade is a major
> > > > annual event that attracts about 10 thousand people for the parade.
> > > > The India Against Corruption contingent was the largest group of the
> > > > whole parade.
> > > >
> > > > The volunteers braved severe weather and walked for about 2 hours in
> > > > the rain. People from all walks of life -- technologists, engineers,
> > > > business men, doctors, students etc. joined the parade. Old men,
> > > > women, pregnant women, kids as young as 5 years old, walked in the
> > > > rain. The volunteers were drenched and cold but their enthusiasm was
> > > > not dampened. Flyers were distributed to all the people watching the
> > > > parade. A sample poll of about 500 people watching the parade tallied
> > > > 95% support for Anna Hazare’s movement. Volunteers were carrying
> > > > slogans in support of Anna Hazare and Jan Lokpal. Volunteers also
> > > > sang "Hum Honge Kam Yaab" in front of the main stage. The spirit was
> > > > so contagious that the passers-by joined them too.  Many volunteers
> > > > were carrying placards saying -- "I am Anna" in various languages
> > > > like Hindi, English, Telugu, Tamil, Marathi etc.  The message also
> > > > said "It is not one Anna. We are Thousands". This was to symbolize
> > > > the spirit of nationalism that Anna has evoked in common man.
> > > >
> > > > This event was covered by major television channels. The volunteers
> > > > in the parade, common people who joined to IAC, were interviewed by
> > > > Television and media reporters. Isha, 10 years old was asked by one
> > > > of the representative in hindi what this movement was about and she
> > > > said that this was about supporting Anna Hazare who was fight
> > > > corruption in India.  She also said she supported the movement whole-
> > > > heartedly.
> > > >
> > > > The chants of vande maataram and Jai Hind boomed through the crowd,
> > > > echoing the patriotic fervor of the participants. The message of the
> > > > parade was to express the greatness of India and to communicate that
> > > > the country can be the greatest if we eradicate corruption.  One of
> > > > successful local commercial realtor was complementing IAC volunteers
> > > > after the parade and said that the economic growth of our country was
> > > > great but it could be much greater if not for corruption.
> > > >
> > > > One of the slogans in the parade was -- "Anna Hazare -- Desh Tere
> > > > saath hai!  Videsh Tere saath hai!!". There are a lot of other events
> > > > being held across the globe on Aug 14, 2011 to mark the Global
> > > > Solidarity Day declared by IAC. The enthusiasm and support shown by
> > > > NRIs for India is bound to inspire people in India.  The parade ended
> > > > with all the volunteers singing the Indian National Anthem drenched
> > > > in rain and standing in attention.
> > > >
> > > > This was an event of the common man, by the common man and for the
> > > > common man -- a reflection of true democracy, an event in support of
> > > > Jan Lokpal bill and Anna Hazare.
> > > >
> > > > Additional Video and Photo links for the event:
> > > >
> > > > YouTube:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I8WT5CNlbA&feature=autoplay&list=PL37ABA3F39393C492
> > > >
> > > > Pictures:
> > > >
> > > > https://picasaweb.google.com/110804064056852150979/2011AugAnna?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCNThkNrniKyFuAE&feat=directlink
> > > >
> > > > Faith is the bird that feels the light and sings when the dawn is
> > > > still dark. - R. Tagore
> > > >
> > > > End of forwarded post from S. D.
> > >
> > > Forwarded message from S. Kalyanaraman
> > >
> > > Anna Hazare fast and Sonia Govt's counter moves
> > >
> > >
> http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com/2011/08/anna-hazare-fast-and-sonia-govts.h
> tml
> > >
> > > Anna Hazare fast and Sonia Govt's counter moves
> > >
> > > Published: August 15, 2011 20:48 IST
> > > Updated: August 16, 2011 04:15 IST 
> > >
> > > Anna Hazare calls for 'jail bharo'
> > >
> > > Gargi Parsai
> > >
> > > Social activist Anna Hazare during his visit to Rajghat on Monday on
> > > the eve of his hunger strike for a stronger Lokpal Bill. Photo:
> > > Sushil Kumar Verma
> > >
> > > The confrontation between social activist Anna Hazare and the
> > > government on the Lokpal Bill took a turn for the worse on Monday
> > > with the former giving a call to his supporters to fill jails all
> > > over the country if he is arrested on Tuesday.
> > >
> > > Mr. Hazare was denied permission by the Delhi Police to stage his
> > > fast here as his team refused to comply with all 22 conditions they
> > > laid.
> > >
> > > Addressing journalists here after Prime Minister Manmohan Singh
> > > criticised him for resorting to a fast as a protest when Parliament
> > > was seized of the Lokpal Bill, the anti-corruption crusader said he
> > > would go to the JP Park, the venue of his fast, even though the
> > > police had imposed prohibitory orders.
> > >
> > > "I am given to understand that I will be refused permission. We will
> > > go there. If I am arrested, I will continue my hunger strike in jail.
> > > If I am released, I will go back to the venue and continue the fast.
> > > This will go on,'' Mr. Hazare said. He gave a "lights off'' call
> > > throughout the country to reflect the "darkness in the hearts of the
> > > poor, deprived and dispossessed people.''
> > >
> > > He said that once he was arrested, people should fill the jails in
> > > every village.
> > >
> > > Accusing the Prime Minister of speaking the same language as his
> > > Cabinet colleague Kapil Sibal, Mr. Hazare said he was sure that if a
> > > strong Lokpal was created there would be a 60 per cent end to
> > > corruption.
> > >
> > > Before his news conference, the 74-year-old activist made a surprise
> > > visit to the Rajghat taking the police unawares. He said he went
> > > there for "introspection.''
> > >
> > > While senior United Progressive Alliance Ministers defended the
> > > decision to withhold permission to Mr. Hazare as "necessary,'' the
> > > Opposition Bharatiya Janata Party slammed the government for
> > > "scuttling all voices of dissent.''
> > >
> > > CPI (M) leader Brinda Karat said one may or may not agree with Mr.
> > > Hazare and his team on the Lokpal Bill but no one can question their
> > > right to protest.
> > >
> > > Activist Arvind Kejriwal said the government's action was
> > > "autocratic.''
> > >
> > > Lawyer Prashant Bhushan said they would move the court on Tuesday
> > > against the decision of the Delhi Police.
> > >
> > > Karnataka Lokayukta Santosh Hegde, who is also a member of the Team
> > > Anna's core team, said the government's action showed that it was
> > > "nervous."
> > >
> > > Aruna Roy, Nikhil Dey and Shankar Singh of the Mazdoor Kisan Shakti
> > > Sangathan also condemned the refusal of permission to Mr. Hazare.
> > >
> > > HT Correspondents, Hindustan Times
> > >
> > > New Delhi, August 15, 2011
> > > First Published: 23:26 IST(15/8/2011)
> > > Last Updated: 01:25 IST(16/8/2011)
> > >
> > > Police firm, Anna faces arrest
> > >
> > > With social activist Anna Hazare and his camp refusing to accept six
> > > of the 22 conditions set by the Delhi Police for his fast to press
> > > for a lokpal bill drafted by them, his arrest seemed imminent.
> > >
> > > Late Monday, 50 of Hazare's supporters were detained for gathering at
> > > the proposed JP Park venue of the protest for violating prohibitory
> > > orders, the police said.
> > >
> > > A lokpal bill incorporating several suggestions by the Anna Camp is
> > > currently in Parliament but the activists said nothing less than a
> > > complete acceptance of their version is acceptable. 
> > >
> > > "We will march to JP Park tomorrow morning and if arrested, I will
> > > fast in custody. When I am released, I will go there again to start
> > > my fast," Hazare declared at a press conference, dubbed as an
> > > "address to the nation".
> > >
> > > Delhi Police spokesperson Rajan Bhagat said, "We have denied them
> > > permission to protest at JP Park. Section 144 that restricts a
> > > gathering of people has been imposed at the park and all roads
> > > leading to it. If anyone tries to defy the orders, the punishment can
> > > vary from preventive custody to arrest."
> > >
> > > The police told the Anna Camp that their agitation in JP Park near
> > > ITO, it couldn't be allowed for more than three days.
> > >
> > > When the Anna Camp insisted on permission for an indefinite period,
> > > the police offered a venue in Burari on the outskirts of the city,
> > > which Hazare turned down.
> > >
> > > All other conditions set for the agitation are common to gatherings
> > > in the city and guided by various court orders.
> > >
> > > Concluding an afternoon filled with drama, Hazare exhorted all
> > > Indians to join him in jail as he could be arrested.
> > >
> > > "Lakhs of people will rise in my support in villages across India,
> > > and there will be a jail bharo (fill prisons) agitation." Describing
> > > the country's independence as fake and inadequate, Hazare said its
> > > time for a "second independence struggle".
> > >
> > > Hazare earlier visited Rajghat, the resting place of Mahatma Gandhi,
> > > for a "meditation".
> > >
> > > At a press conference later, Hazare thanked the media for supporting
> > > his movement.
> > >
> > > "The media is the fourth pillar of democracy," he said, adding that
> > > he is willing to "fetch water in Kapil Sibal's house" if the lokpal
> > > bill suggested by him does not bring down corruption by "60 to 65%".
> > >
> > > Hazare however said his fight is not restricted to a lokpal but for a
> > > systemic transformation.
> > >
> > > Elaborating, he said, "Eighty percent of Indians earn R20 or less a
> > > day. Others are earning several thousands every day," adding that the
> > > country is "being run by industrialists.
> > >
> > > Therefore, what we require is a systemic transformation, not merely a
> > > change of government."
> > >
> > > He said he respected Parliament but asked why "this sacred place has
> > > tainted people".
> > >
> > > http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/Print/733700.aspx
> > >
> > > Published: August 15, 2011 20:48 IST
> > > Updated: August 16, 2011 04:15 IST 
> > >
> > > Anna Hazare calls for 'jail bharo'
> > >
> > > Gargi Parsai
> > >
> > > Social activist Anna Hazare during his visit to Rajghat on Monday on
> > > the eve of his hunger strike for a stronger Lokpal Bill. Photo:
> > > Sushil Kumar Verma
> > >
> > > The confrontation between social activist Anna Hazare and the
> > > government on the Lokpal Bill took a turn for the worse on Monday
> > > with the former giving a call to his supporters to fill jails all
> > > over the country if he is arrested on Tuesday.
> > >
> > > Mr. Hazare was denied permission by the Delhi Police to stage his
> > > fast here as his team refused to comply with all 22 conditions they
> > > laid.
> > >
> > > Addressing journalists here after Prime Minister Manmohan Singh
> > > criticised him for resorting to a fast as a protest when Parliament
> > > was seized of the Lokpal Bill, the anti-corruption crusader said he
> > > would go to the JP Park, the venue of his fast, even though the
> > > police had imposed prohibitory orders.
> > >
> > > "I am given to understand that I will be refused permission. We will
> > > go there. If I am arrested, I will continue my hunger strike in jail.
> > > If I am released, I will go back to the venue and continue the fast.
> > > This will go on,'' Mr. Hazare said. He gave a "lights off'' call
> > > throughout the country to reflect the "darkness in the hearts of the
> > > poor, deprived and dispossessed people.''
> > >
> > > He said that once he was arrested, people should fill the jails in
> > > every village.
> > >
> > > Accusing the Prime Minister of speaking the same language as his
> > > Cabinet colleague Kapil Sibal, Mr. Hazare said he was sure that if a
> > > strong Lokpal was created there would be a 60 per cent end to
> > > corruption.
> > >
> > > Before his news conference, the 74-year-old activist made a surprise
> > > visit to the Rajghat taking the police unawares. He said he went
> > > there for "introspection.''
> > >
> > > While senior United Progressive Alliance Ministers defended the
> > > decision to withhold permission to Mr. Hazare as "necessary,'' the
> > > Opposition Bharatiya Janata Party slammed the government for
> > > "scuttling all voices of dissent.''
> > >
> > > CPI (M) leader Brinda Karat said one may or may not agree with Mr.
> > > Hazare and his team on the Lokpal Bill but no one can question their
> > > right to protest.
> > >
> > > Activist Arvind Kejriwal said the government's action was
> > > "autocratic.''
> > >
> > > Lawyer Prashant Bhushan said they would move the court on Tuesday
> > > against the decision of the Delhi Police.
> > >
> > > Karnataka Lokayukta Santosh Hegde, who is also a member of the Team
> > > Anna's core team, said the government's action showed that it was
> > > "nervous."
> > >
> > > Aruna Roy, Nikhil Dey and Shankar Singh of the Mazdoor Kisan Shakti
> > > Sangathan also condemned the refusal of permission to Mr. Hazare.
> > >
> > > http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article2359459.ece?homepage=true
> > >
> > > India against corruption: PM holds huddle leaving out key Sonia aides
> > >
> > > TNN
> > > Aug 16, 2011, 02.47AM IST
> > >
> > > Indraprasth aka New Delhi - Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Monday
> > > seemed to be taking charge of Congress's counter-offensive against
> > > Anna Hazare by holding a huddle with senior party leaders, including
> > > Rahul Gandhi and finance minister Pranab Mukherjee. 
> > >
> > > The rare initiative came just after the flag-hoisting ceremony at
> > > Congress headquarters, and was at variance with the perception that
> > > Singh, with the exception of his insistence on pushing the Indo-US
> > > nuclear deal through, has been content following the party's lead. 
> > >
> > > Information and broadcasting minister Ambika Soni and general
> > > secretary Janardan Dwivedi were part of the deliberations which,
> > > among other things, focused on assessing how the confrontation with
> > > civil society might play out in the media. 
> > >
> > > The unusual display of leadership on a political issue came against
> > > the backdrop of the assessment in Congress about the divide between
> > > PMO and party brass on how to tackle the challenge from Anna's camp. 
> > >
> > > The remarkable feature of the impromptu conclave was the exclusion of
> > > two of Sonia Gandhi's most trusted aides - defence minister A K
> > > Antony and the Congress chief's political secretary Ahmed Patel. Both
> > > Antony and Patel were present at the AICC when Singh started the
> > > consultations. The duo could not get out of the premises because of
> > > the security bandobast SPG had put in place for the PM and had to
> > > wait in social justice minister Mukul Wasnik's room till Singh and
> > > his chosen few ended the deliberations. 
> > >
> > > The composition of what was instantly termed the PM's own "core
> > > group" stunned AICC watchers. 
> > >
> > > Antony is a member of the elite bodies - Cabinet committees on
> > > political affairs, and security. Significantly, his name featured on
> > > the top of the 'group of four' named by Sonia to look after
> > > organizational affairs in her absence. 
> > >
> > > The PM's initiative is significant against the growing backdrop of
> > > growing perception in AICC circles about a disconnect between the PMO
> > > and Congress leadership on how to deal with Anna's campaign.
> > > Ministers like Kapil Sibal, who are considered to be advising the PM,
> > > are for an aggressive response, whereas significant sections in the
> > > party favour a politically calibrated approach. 
> > >
> > > There are misgivings in the party over the frontal assault party
> > > spokesperson Manish Tewari was instructed to launch on the Gandhian.
> > > Although party circles acknowledge that the provocation came from the
> > > Anna group, they feel the party should have refrained from targeting
> > > Anna personally. As against this, elements in the government are
> > > against holding fire in the hostilities with civil society. 
> > >
> > > Amid a sense of puzzlement in the Congress over the aggression on
> > > Saturday, senior party sources stressed that they don't favour
> > > personal attacks. "Hazare has made unwarranted attacks on Congress
> > > instead of focusing on government and others. However, we will not
> > > stoop to that level and let incivility mar our response," a senior
> > > party office-bearer said.
> > >
> > >
> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/PM-holds-huddle-on-Anna-campaign-lea
> ving-out-key-Sonia-aides/articleshow/9617001.cms
> > >
> > > India against corruption: 50 supporters of Hazare detained at fast venue
> > >
> > > PTI
> > > Aug 16, 2011, 12.09AM IST
> > >
> > > Indraprasth aka New Delhi - At least 50 supporters of Anna Hazare
> > > were tonight detained by Delhi police at Jai Prakash Narain Park, the
> > > venue of the anti-graft crusader's planned fast from tomorrow, for
> > > defying prohibitory orders clamped in the area. 
> > >
> > > The supporters of the Gandhian were taken in a police bus to a nearby
> > > police station, police said. Hazare has been denied permission by
> > > Delhi police to hold his fast at JPN park. 
> > >
> > > They had gathered ahead of Hazare's fast for a strong Lokpal bill to
> > > express solidarity with him. 
> > >
> > > Delhi Police spokesperson Rajan Bhagat said prohibitory orders under
> > > Section 144 CrPC in some areas of Daryaganj and IP police stations in
> > > Central Delhi, which include Jai Prakash Narain Park and Shaheed
> > > Park, were clamped this evening. The section prohibits the assembly
> > > of five or more people in one place. 
> > >
> > > The areas where prohibitory orders have been imposed include
> > > Shantivan to Rajghat, Rajghat to Jawahar Lal Nehru Marg, Aruna Asaf
> > > Ali Marg to JLN Marg, Delhi Gate to Tilak Marg on Bahadurshah Zafar
> > > Marg. 
> > >
> > > The orders came following police denying permission to Hazare to hold
> > > the protest at the park after organisers refused to give an
> > > undertaking restricting the number of protest days to three and
> > > protestors to 5,000. 
> > >
> > > A large contingent of police, including women personnel, have been
> > > deployed around JPN Park to ensure that no untoward incident takes
> > > place. 
> > >
> > > Delhi Police meanwhile sought the services of two magistrates from
> > > the city government. 
> > >
> > > Sources said Delhi Police have requested principal secretary (home)
> > > of the city government to provide them with two magistrates whose
> > > services might be required to handle the law and order situation
> > > during the proposed protest. 
> > >
> > > Top officials also reviewed the situation at Police Headquarters. 
> > >
> > > Union Home Secretary RK Singh held a meeting with Delhi Police
> > > Commissioner BK Gupta and other senior officials at the Police
> > > Headquarters here to take stock of the measures taken by the force to
> > > tackle any untoward situation.
> > >
> > > http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/India-against-corruption-50-supporters-of-Hazare-detained-at-fast-venue/articleshow/9615987.cms
> > >
> > > Delhi Police plans 'Gandhigiri'
> > >
> > > By Pramod Kumar Singh
> > > The Pioneer
> > > Tuesday, August 16, 2011
> > >
> > > Unarmed, but ready to put the Gandhian and supporters behind bars 
> > >
> > > Indraprasth aka New Delhi - With Anna Hazare and his colleagues being
> > > denied permission for their proposed fast at Jai Prakash Narayan
> > > Park, battle lines have been drawn. However, the Delhi Police plans
> > > to score brownie points with the people by adopting 'Gandhian
> > > methods' of maintaining law and order. 
> > >
> > > Anna and his supporters will be taken into custody by the Delhi
> > > Police if they try to enter Jai Prakash Narayan Park on Tuesday
> > > morning. However, senior Delhi Police officials said that officers of
> > > Delhi Police detailed for the duty would be unarmed and maximum
> > > restraint would be exercised in dealing with the situation.
> > >
> > > However, it is unlikely that this will be the only line of deployment
> > > for disallowing protests by Hazare and his group. The Delhi Police
> > > has already deployed a large number of moveable barricades in Central
> > > and New Delhi districts to prevent Anna and his supporters from going
> > > to the announced place. The anti-riot first battalion of the armed
> > > police would be on standby. "However, the police manning the
> > > barricades would all be unarmed and request protesters not to move
> > > further," informed a Delhi Police officer.
> > >
> > > Special Branch of the Delhi Police has reported that those coming to
> > > JP Park are expected to be peaceful and there was little likelihood
> > > of violence. But the situation could change if Anna and his
> > > supporters decided to move to any other venue and needed protection,
> > > a senior Delhi Police official said.
> > >
> > > The Delhi Police have chalked out an elaborate plan after Union Home
> > > Secretary RK Singh visited the Delhi Police Headquarters on Monday
> > > afternoon to review the situation as a showdown between the Team Anna
> > > and the police appears inevitable. Intelligence wing of the Delhi
> > > Police has cautioned the Central and New Delhi district police that
> > > Anna and his supporters could spring a last minute surprise and could
> > > go either to Rajghat or Jantar Mantar or even to 10 Janpath, the
> > > residence of Congress president Sonia Gandhi. 
> > >
> > > Delhi Police officers said that they could very well block entry to
> > > all these places if the situation so demanded and any attempt to
> > > breach the police cordon would be "dealt in a firm albeit peaceful
> > > manner."
> > >
> > > "Since Section 144 has been imposed in Central district, no assembly
> > > of people would be allowed near the park," the official added. 
> > >
> > > The imposition of section 144 would mean that protests at the nearby
> > > Ramlila Maidan and Rajghat would also not be allowed. Sources said
> > > that Union Home Secretary asked Delhi Police Commissioner BK Gupta to
> > > be careful while planning security arrangements and handle Tuesday
> > > protest with minimum use of force. 
> > >
> > > "The Delhi Police has taken several measures to avoid a Ramlila
> > > Maidan like situation," the official added. The Delhi Police used a
> > > heavy hand to evict the supporters of Baba Ramdev in June after the
> > > negotiations between the Government and the Yog Guru failed to reach
> > > conclusion.
> > >
> > > In a significant development, the Delhi Government has permitted the
> > > Delhi Police to use Chhatrasal Stadium as a makeshift jail to house
> > > Anna Hazare and his supporters after they are arrested. The Delhi
> > > Police has requested the Delhi Government to provide either
> > > Chhatrasal stadium or the State Guest House 33 Shamnath Marg on
> > > Alipur Road for using it as temporary jail. Chief Secretary PK
> > > Tripathi, Home Principal Secretary Arvind Ray and DG Prisons Neeraj
> > > Kumar were present in the meeting.
> > >
> > > Meanwhile, when asked why permission was denied to Anna Hazare in the
> > > first place, Joint Commissioner of Police, Northern Range, Sudhir
> > > Yadav told The Pioneer, "The Supreme Court has very clearly set
> > > guidelines about such type of fasts and sit-ins. They refused to
> > > comply with our six major conditions out of 22, the permission was
> > > accordingly denied. Now any move to hold a protest near JP Park will
> > > be dealt according to the provisions of law." When asked whether the
> > > Delhi Police could go for preventive arrests to prevent Anna and his
> > > supporters from going to JP Park, the Joint CP replied in negative.
> > > He said, "There is no need as the Delhi Police was capable of
> > > handling any situation that may emerge on Tuesday morning. Central
> > > district police has requisitioned buses to move Anna and his
> > > supporters in the event of them being detained for violating
> > > prohibitory orders." 
> > >
> > > http://www.dailypioneer.com/361100/Delhi-Police-plans-Gandhigiri.html
> > >
> > > Anna Hazare to begin fast today, people across India switch off
> > > lights in support
> > >
> > > ITGD Bureau
> > > August 15, 2011 - 19:04
> > >
> > > Anna Hazare addresses media in New Delhi on Monday.
> > >
> > > Indraprasth aka New Delhi - Anna Hazare is all set for a full blown
> > > confrontation with the government on the Lokpal Bill, giving a call
> > > to his supporters to fill up jails all over the country if he is
> > > arrested on Tuesday after he was denied permission to hold indefinite
> > > fast in the national capital.
> > >
> > > Addressing a press conference after Prime Minister Manmohan Singh
> > > slammed him for resorting to fast as a protest when Parliament was
> > > seized of the Lokpal bill, the Gandhian said he will go to J P park
> > > on Tuesday, the venue of his fast even though Delhi police has
> > > imposed prohibitory orders.
> > >
> > > "My mission begins tomorrow, we have a long fight ahead," Hazare
> > > said.
> > >
> > > "I come to understand that I will be refused permission. We will go
> > > there. If I am arrested, I will continue my hunger strike in the
> > > jail. If I am released, I will go back to the venue and this circle
> > > will continue," he said at a 30-minute press conference that came to
> > > an end to coincide with his "lights-off" call throughout the country
> > > from 8 pm.
> > >
> > > He said once he is arrested, people should fill up the jails in every
> > > village across the country. "Going to jail for the country is no
> > > crime...It is a decoration," he said.
> > >
> > > He accused the Prime Minister of "speaking" the language of his
> > > ministerial colleague Kapil Sibal saying that the Lokpal bill was
> > > before Parliament which will take the call.
> > >
> > > Before his press conference, the 73-year old activist made an
> > > unscheduled visit to Rajghat, where he sat in meditation. Soon after
> > > the news of his being at the Gandhi Samadhi, hundreds of supporters
> > > gathered around him.
> > >
> > > Earlier in the day, Delhi Police refused permission to Gandhian and
> > > his supporters saying that team Hazare have refused to give an
> > > undertaking on restricting the number of days of protest and
> > > protesters besides four other conditions.
> > >
> > > Sudhir Yadav, Joint Commissioner of Police (Northern Range), said
> > > anybody assembling at the Park on Tuesday would face legal action.
> > >
> > > "We have denied the permission. Nobody is supposed to come to the
> > > park. If somebody comes there, it is unlawful. They will be handled
> > > according to law. If they do that, it is violation of law," Yadav
> > > said as police prepared to lock down the grounds.
> > >
> > > Union Home Secretary R K Singh reviewed the situation with Delhi
> > > Police Commissioner B K Gupta and other top officials at the police
> > > headquarters.
> > >
> > > Hazare's protest on Tuesday is in pursuit of his campaign for a
> > > strong Lokpal that will have under its ambit Prime Minister, higher
> > > judiciary, conduct of MPs in Parliament and other provisions. The
> > > bill introduced in Parliament excludes these institutions.
> > >
> > > In his speech at the Red Fort on Monday morning, the Prime Minister
> > > decried Hazare going on fast and said Parliament alone will decide on
> > > Lokpal and those having grievances should approach Parliamentary
> > > Committees for airing their views.
> > >
> > > At his press conference, Hazare said corruption has crossed all
> > > limits and is all pervasive in various sectors, including education
> > > and jobs.
> > >
> > > He said even after Jan Lokpal is passed, there is no guarantee that
> > > corruption will be eliminated 100 per cent but he was confident that
> > > it would end at least up to 60-65 per cent. "If it does not happen, I
> > > am ready to serve water at Kapil Sibal's house," he said.
> > >
> > > Hazare said the fight against corruption has just begin and will not
> > > stop even if Lokpal bill passed. The struggle for the change will
> > > continue and it is a long battle, he said.
> > >
> > > "It is now a fight to the finish," he said, adding they were not for
> > > pulling down the government but if falls in the process, they don't
> > > care.
> > >
> > > He also said his protest will be non-violent because non-violence was
> > > a powerful weapon.
> > >
> > > Referring to the Prime Minister's remarks that the Lokpal bill was
> > > before Parliament, he said "We have to accept Parliament. We have
> > > trust in Parliament but the bill that has gone before it is not
> > > proper."
> > >
> > > The activist said the provisions like appointment and removal of
> > > Lokpal were serious issues on which government made promises but
> > > suddenly it changed its stand and "betrayed us".
> > >
> > > Speaking about repeated assertions from the government's side that he
> > > was undermining democracy, he said, "Don't we know democracy? Is
> > > democracy only wining elections after spending money. Four MPs are in
> > > jail and there are charges against nearly 150 others."
> > >
> > > Hazare said government was working only for big industrialists
> > > acquiring lands from farmers and was not working for the poor.
> > >
> > > - With PTI inputs
> > >
> > >
> http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/story/lokpal-bill-anna-hazare-addresses-media/1/148140.html
> > >
> > > S. Kalyanaraman
> > >
> > > https://sites.google.com/site/indianoceancommunity1/
> > > http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com
> > > http://tinyurl.com/3w6ojj6 (Indus Script Cipher)
> > > http://tinyurl.com/4xguuoh (Rastram: Flipkart in India)
> > >
> > > End of forwarded message from S. Kalyanaraman
> > >
> > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > Om Shanti
and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
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Hazare willing for dialogue, Govt opens back channel talks

PTI
The Pioneer
http://www.dailypioneer.com
Monday, August 22, 2011

Indraprasth aka New Delhi - Anna Hazare today expressed his
willingness to have a dialogue on the Lokpal issue with the
Government which has opened a back channel with him through a top
Maharashtra bureaucrat and a spiritual leader even as the Gandhian's
fast entered the sixth day today.

Maharashtra Additional Chief Secretary Umesh Chandra Sarangi, who
visited Hazare last night, had a second meeting with the social
activist along with Indore-based spiritual leader Baiyujji Maharaj.
The spiritual leader is known to several top politicians from
Maharashtra.

Sarangi has a good rapport with Hazare having handled several such
situations in Maharashtra under former Chief Minister Vilasrao
Deshmukh when he had either gone on fast or threatened to do so. His
meeting was described as "personal" by Team Anna which maintained "no
compromise formula" was discussed.

A day after Prime Minister Manmohan Singh stated that the Government
was open for discussion, 73-year-old Hazare said his campaign against
corruption has not closed the door of dialogue with it to resolve the
differences on Lokpal bill.

"We have not closed the door of dialogue. We have kept it open. Only
through dialogue the issues can be resolved," he told thousands of
his supporters on a humid day at Ramlila Ground on the sixth day of
his fast.

Minister of State for Parliamentary Affairs Harish Rawat said the
Centre has initiated a dialogue process with Team Anna at various
levels to break the deadlock.

"The dialogue process has already been initiated at various levels
through well-wishers. This dialogue is at various levels which is not
parallel to each other but complementary to each other," Rawat told
PTI in Dehradun.

The core committee of 'India Against Corruption' had a meeting during
which its deliberated Prime Minister's readiness to hold discussions.
It said no proposal has come from the government so far.

"With whom and where should we discuss what," Arvind Kejriwal, a key
aide of Hazare, said announcing the five decisions taken at the
meeting.

Comment:

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Anna's open is invitation to danger

By vedam on 8/21/2011 5:29:31 PM

That is the danger as Muammar Quotaffis who are desecrating the
Parliament are thirsting for Anna's blood. Better if Anna sits a bit
far away from his open door.

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Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

> Army appreciates Anna job records
>
> By Kumar Shakti Shekhar
> The Pioneer
> Sunday, August 21, 2011
>
> Indraprasth aka New Delhi - In another blow to the Congress, the Army
> has praised the service of anti-corruption crusader Anna Hazare in
> the force.
>
> In reply to an RTI query, the Army has said Kisan Baburao Hazare
> (popularly known as Hazare) was "honourably discharged" from the
> Indian Army on completion of service. It has also clarified that he
> neither ever deserted the Indian Army nor was punished. On the
> contrary, he got five medals for his service.
>
> RTI activist Subhash Chandra Agrawal has expressed surprise over the
> fact that the Army sent him some replies which he did not even seek.
> He has also expressed shock over the correspondence between him and
> the Army getting "leaked" to a "third party" (Congress).
>
> Congress spokesperson Manish Tewari had, on August 14, come down
> heavily on Hazare and accused him of preaching transparency but not
> replying to the Army's letter to him dated May 27 seeking details of
> his contribution to the Army.
>
> Army Service Corps (ASC) Records (South), Bangalore, in its reply
> dated August 3 has said Hazare, after enrolling on April 14, 1963,
> completed his training at Aurangabad. His designation, when he joined
> the service was a Recruit. He was attested as soldier on November 16,
> 1963. He held the rank of Sepoy at the time of leaving the service.
>
> He was enrolled with terms of engagement of 10 years of colour
> service and 10 years of Reserve service. On completion of 10 years of
> colour service, he was granted extension of colour service with
> effect from April 14, 1973 till his service was required. He was
> transferred to reserve establishment on August 4, 1975 and finally
> discharged from Reserve Establishment on April 30, 1983.
>
> "Yes, he was honourably discharged from the Indian Army on completion
> of Service. As per records held with this office, he had never
> deserted the Indian Army. Following medals were notified: Sainya Seva
> Medal with clasp Bengal Assam, nine years' long Service Medal,
> Sangram Medal, 25th Independent Anniversary Medal and Pashchimi Star.
> No punishment as per service record," said the reply.
>
> http://dailypioneer.com/362204/Army-appreciates-Anna-job-records.html
>
> More at:
> http://www.dailypioneer.com
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
>
> > Forwarded message from S. Kalyanaraman
> >
> > Anna Hazare announces new revolution for second independence, recalls
> > 1942 Quit India movement
> >
> >
> http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com/2011/08/postal-stamp-to-commemorate-swami.
> html
> >
> > Postal stamp to commemorate Swami Vivekananda's birth
> >
> > Friday August 12, 2011
> >
> > Postal stamp to commemorate Swami Vivekananda's birth
> >
> > By Jayagandi Jayaraj 
> > Photos by P. Nathan
> >
> > TO commemorate the 150th birth anniversary of Swami Vivekanand (1863-
> > 2013), Ramakrishna Mission Malaysia observed the release of the
> > 'Arise, Awake!' postal stamp on Aug 2.
> >
> > The stamp takes inspiration from the holy man's famous quote "Arise,
> > Awake! Stop not till the goal is reached".
> >
> > Centre president Swami Supriyananda said with the release of the
> > stamp by Pos Malaysia, the mission was gearing up to celebrate
> > Vivekananda's 150 years in a fit and proper manner appropriate to his
> > universally respected stature as a world teacher, thinker, leader,
> > prophet, pathfinder and humanity benefactor.
> >
> > New series: The newly-released stamp.
> >
> > In line with that, a series of Personality Development programmes for
> > youths through Vivekananda's life and message are being planned for
> > two years, 2012 and 2013, all over Malaysia.
> >
> > Supriyananda said the mission had lined up the set of programmes to
> > help them with inner confidence and character.
> >
> > "The half-day free programmes will be starting next month, and they
> > will focus on physical, mental and spiritual health. We go to gyms to
> > develop the body, and to temples to perform rituals, but a positive
> > mentality also needs to be built. When you build character, you have
> > everything," he said after the event held at the mission's centre in
> > Petaling Jaya.
> >
> > Also present at the event were Ramakrishna Mission, Belue Math, India
> > general secretary Swami Prabhananda, and Toh Puan Uma Sambanthan.
> >
> >
> http://www.thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?sec=central&file=/2011/8/12/central
> /9261026
> >
> >
> http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com/2011/08/anna-hazare-announces-new-revoluti
> on.html
> >
> > Anna Hazare announces new revolution for second independence, recalls
> > 1942 Quit India movement
> >
> > Anna at Ramlila Ground, says fight far from over
> >
> > Agencies
> > 19 Aug 2011, 1414 hrs IST
> >
> > After spending three days in Tihar Jail, anti-corruption crusader
> > Anna Hazare on Friday (August 19) reached the Ramlila Maidan to
> > continue his indefinite fast for a strong Jan Lokpal Bill. Addressing
> > the massive crowd gathered at the venue, the 74-year-old veteran
> > Gandhian urged them to continue the fight for a strong Lokpal Bill. 
> >
> > Anna Hazare said, "The fight against corruption will continue whether
> > I am alive or not. We must not give up our fight for a strong Lokpal
> > Bill. We will not vacate this ground till the Jan Lokpal Bill comes
> > into effect."
> >
> > In a massive show of support, a sea of humanity followed the civil
> > society leader on the streets of Delhi as he made his way to the
> > Ramlila Ground to hold his fast. The moment Anna Hazare emerged out
> > of the Tihar Jail after spending three days there, thousands who were
> > camping outside the high profile prison welcomed him by cheering
> > loudly and chanting slogans. 
> >
> > On route to Ramlila Maidan, Anna visited Rajghat, samadhi of Mahatma
> > Gandhi. Hazare supporters accompanied the procession waving the tri-
> > colour while he accepted greetings from people gathered on either
> > side of the road in West Delhi. The improvised vehicle had a huge
> > umbrella to protect Hazare and his close aides from the pounding
> > rain. Apart from walking along with Hazare's vehicle, the supporters
> > followed him on bikes, jeeps and cars.
> >
> > The procession affected vehicular traffic in and around the Tihar
> > prison premises including in Janakpuri, Mayapuri and Hari Nagar in
> > West Delhi. 
> >
> > The tireless Hazare was greeted by the supporters with garlands and
> > bouquets at various intersections en-route his procession which was
> > marked by chants of 'Anna' and "Vande Mataram". 
> >
> > Children, housewives and others were seen standing on their balconies
> > and rooftops to have a glimpse of Hazare and the procession.
> > Protesters expressed happiness over the 74-year-old Gandhian's
> > decision to come out from the prison complex following rounds of
> > negotiations with the police and authorities to decide on agitation
> > venue to undertake hunger strike. 
> >
> > Hazare had planned to begin his fast for a stronger Lokpal Bill at
> > the J.P. Park in the ITO area Tuesday. 
> >
> > Delhi Police imposed certain conditions before the protest could be
> > allowed. Hazare however refused to agree, after which the police
> > detained him and his associates Tuesday. 
> >
> > He was sent to Tihar and was subsequently released Tuesday night, but
> > he refused to leave the jail until allowed to carry on the fast
> > without any conditions. 
> >
> > Hazare has been demanding the government to bring the prime minister,
> > higher judiciary and the conduct of MPs inside parliament within the
> > ambit of the Lokpal (ombudsman).
> >
> >
> http://www.timesnow.tv/Anna-at-Ramlila-Ground-says-fight-far-from-over/articl
> eshow/4381710.cms
> >
> >
> http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com/2011/08/its-middle-class-stupid-swagato-ga
> nguly.html
> >
> >
> http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com/2011/08/pc-should-quit-over-anna-arrest-sa
> ys.html
> >
> > PC should quit over Anna arrest, says Swamy
> >
> > Express News Service , The New Indian Express
> > Posted on Aug 19, 2011 at 09:41am IST
> >
> > Chennai: Janata Party president Subramanian Swamy on Thursday
> > demanded resignation of Union Home Minister P Chidambaram over the
> > "illegal" arrest of anti-corruption crusader Anna Hazare.
> >
> > "The arrest of Hazare is not a collective responsibility of the
> > Cabinet. Law and Order is the sole responsibility of the Home
> > Minister and he should take responsibility and put in his papers,"
> > said Swamy. The treatment meted out to a respected person like Anna
> > Hazare has spoiled the reputation of the country, he said. "The
> > government owes an apology to Hazare. As part of the atonement,
> > Chidambaram should be removed," he said.
> >
> > Swamy also demanded immediate dissolution of the Lok Sabha and
> > holding of a mid-term poll over the "illegal arrest" of Anna Hazare
> > and his colleagues.
> >
> > Swamy, the brain behind 2G spectrum case, said he would seek
> > Chidambaram be named as a co-accused in the case along with former
> > telecom minister A Raja during the court hearing on August 24.
> > Interestingly, Swamy's statement comes close on the heels of Raja's
> > demand that Chidambaram be made a witness. Raja had told court that
> > Chidambaram, who was Finance Minister when the spectrum allocation
> > took place, "cleared the sale of equity in Swan and Unitech, so he is
> > bound to come to court as a witness".
> >
> > To a query over National Minority Commission's decision to serve
> > notice on him over his article in a newspaper, Swamy said he is yet
> > to receive such a notice.
> >
> >
> http://ibnlive.in.com/news/pc-should-quit-over-anna-arrest-says-swamy/176793-
> 60-118.html
> >
> > It's the middle class, stupid - Swagato Ganguly
> >
> > It's the middle class, stupid
> >
> > Swagato Ganguly
> > August 19, 2011, 12.00 a.m. IST
> >
> > Nobody within the government saw it coming. The middle class has
> > risen massively in support of Anna Hazare, upsetting the government's
> > calculations about being able to manage the anti-corruption movement
> > easily. In doing so, the middle class has upended the received wisdom
> > that it is politically apathetic. 
> >
> > Some element of that received wisdom must have played its part in the
> > government's assessment that the Hazare group was just an
> > unrepresentative bunch of civil society activists who would be easily
> > browbeaten. That assessment has proven spectacularly wrong, with the
> > government having to eat humble pie on the very day he was arrested.
> > It's clear by now that Hazare's arrest was the spark that lit a
> > prairie fire of protests across the country. 
> >
> > The middle class has stamped its character on those protests in many
> > ways, not limited to the goodly number of professionals, white-collar
> > workers, housewives and college students hitting the streets in
> > support of Anna. The protests are novel in that they have been
> > remarkably disciplined and peaceful wherever they have been staged -
> > as opposed to the rioting, stone-throwing, brick-batting, arson,
> > prolonged public bandhs and damage to property that are the norm for
> > political protests in India. 
> >
> > Moreover, instead of being relayed through caste, clan and kinship
> > networks or routed through political parties, the organisers have
> > used modern forms of communication - such as text messages, Twitter
> > and Facebook - or relied on secular civic organisations to quickly
> > assemble large crowds. And there's no denying the role that
> > saturation television coverage has played in transmitting their
> > message. 
> >
> > That has caused some commentators to glibly conclude that the
> > protests are a superficial TV phenomenon that will die down when the
> > TV cameras go away. But the point about 24x7 news coverage is that
> > the TV cameras never go away. In that sense, we live in an inherently
> > tele-visual society; this has played a role in seminal events in
> > history. The fall of the Berlin Wall, for instance, has been
> > attributed partly to the beaming of West German TV images into East
> > German homes, allowing people in the communist half a glimpse into
> > life in West Germany. 
> >
> > For many of those who have hit the streets, it isn't really about the
> > merits or demerits of the Jan Lokpal over the Lokpal Bill, of which
> > they have only a hazy idea. Rather, the Lokpal debate is merely a
> > trigger for the sense of inchoate rage they feel at a political
> > system which displays contempt for their priorities. It's not
> > divorced, for example, from their response to the outrageous loot of
> > Commonwealth Games coffers, or to the fact that 76 MPs in the current
> > Lok Sabha - 14% of its total strength - stand accused of not ordinary
> > but serious crimes such as murder, kidnapping, extortion, rape. 
> >
> > For politicians of the old order (and professional pols belong mostly
> > to the old order), only the two ends of the social spectrum matter.
> > While moneyed elites can bring in the moolah, the poor masses have
> > the votes. The middle classes don't figure in this equation. On the
> > other hand, when a middle-class person looks at the taxes deducted
> > from his hard-earned salary, he's liable to ask what the government
> > is doing with his taxes. That's a basis of democratic politics
> > everywhere, but given shoddy governance standards in India the
> > answers - or more accurately the lack of answers - are likely to
> > enrage him. Taken in its widest sense, the theme of corruption is
> > just a metaphorical way of broaching the question - what are you
> > doing with my money? 
> >
> > It's here that India has arrived at an inflexion point. The middle
> > class (defined as those with monthly household income between Rs
> > 20,000 and Rs 100,000) has exploded in numbers from 25 million in
> > 1996 to 160 million currently. By 2015, it's expected to hit 267
> > million. That makes it a significant proportion of the electorate, a
> > 'vote bank' politicians can no longer afford to overlook. Moreover,
> > this rapid rise in numbers indicates a shift in the balance of power
> > within the middle class itself. The 'new' middle class - which owes
> > nothing to state employment - is eclipsing the 'old' middle class
> > that was a creation of the pre-liberalisation Nehruvian state. 
> >
> > The old middle class is less likely to question the state, since it
> > is dependent for employment, professional life and pensions on the
> > state. Moreover, its symbolic economy and world view are convergent
> > with that of the state itself, and therefore its needs are better
> > taken care of. It is the new middle class that has reason to feel
> > disconnected. And it will count more and more as a strategic factor
> > in Indian politics. 
> >
> > Anna Hazare is just a catalyst who happens to chime with the middle-
> > class mood today. But the arrival of the new middle class is a more
> > lasting phenomenon than Hazare himself. Just like the TV cameras,
> > this middle class is not going to go away. Smart politicians had
> > better hone their strategies to co-opt middle-class rage. They ignore
> > it at their peril.
> >
> >
> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/opinion/edit-page/Its-the-middle-clas
> s-stupid/articleshow/9651012.cms
> >
> > S. Kalyanaraman
> >
> > https://sites.google.com/site/indianoceancommunity1/
> > http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com
> > http://tinyurl.com/3w6ojj6 (Indus Script Cipher)
> > http://tinyurl.com/4xguuoh (Rastram: Flipkart in India)
> >
> > End of forwarded message from S. Kalyanaraman
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
> >
> > > Congress's mismanaged mess
> > >
> > > By Kalyani Shankar
> > > Op-Ed
> > > The Pioneer
> > > http://www.dailypioneer.com
> > > Friday, August 19, 2011
> > >
> > > The only reason why Anna Hazare, who till recently was unknown
> > > outside Maharashtra, has attained the status of a national hero is
> > > because the UPA Government has repeatedly mishandled his agitation
> > >
> > > If anyone is to be blamed for the sudden larger-than-life persona of
> > > civil society leader Anna Hazare, it is the Government for it allowed
> > > him to assume such a role. Four months ago, Anna Hazare did not even
> > > have a fraction of the popularity he enjoys today. In fact, he was
> > > barely known outside of Maharashtra. He also had no Team Anna.
> > >
> > > But then, Anna Hazare seized the issue of ‘aam admi' based on which
> > > the Congress had come to power in 2004 and again in 2009. This made
> > > it difficult for the Congress as it could be seen fighting anyone but
> > > simply not the aam admi.
> > >
> > > However, the defining moment of Anna Hazare's movement was the day he
> > > was arrested and sent to jail. At that moment, the fight moved from
> > > the Lokpal Bill to the citizen's right to protest which gathered him
> > > enormous support. The one telling picture of Anna Hazare meditating
> > > in Rajghat also added to his cause. That is when his popularity
> > > increased manifold and he became a larger than life persona.
> > >
> > > Of course, the electronic media also built him overnight as one
> > > comparable to Mahatma Gandhi and Jayaprakash Narayan, and his
> > > movement against corruption is now likened to freedom struggle of
> > > yesteryears.
> > >
> > > So the question is could his arrest have been avoided? The answer to
> > > that is yes. The Government could have handled Anna Hazare case with
> > > more sensitivity. If his arrest was a surprise, his release too has
> > > raised many eyebrows. Many would think that now if the genie is out
> > > of the bottle, it cannot be put back.
> > >
> > > But arresting Anna Hazare was not the first mistake the Government
> > > had committed. Starting from April when Anna Hazare was fasting at
> > > Jantar Mantar, the Government had committed a series of one faux pas,
> > > one after the other.
> > >
> > > First, the Government gave him legitimacy when he initially started
> > > talking about corruption. As the NDA convenor Sharad Yadav pointed
> > > out that while the Opposition had been discussing corruption and
> > > price rise, the Government gave Anna Hazare credibility by
> > > negotiating with him and his team. The Prime Minister met him, Ms
> > > Sonia Gandhi appealed to him to not go on a fast and finally, the
> > > Government in a knee-jerk reaction invited Team Anna to participate
> > > in the joint drafting committee on the Lokpal Bill. The Government in
> > > fact went all out to engage the Team Anna.
> > >
> > > The next mistake was not handling the whole thing as a political
> > > issue but treating it as a legal issue instead. Political problems
> > > have to be dealt with political tact. But the Ministers in charge
> > > only talked in legal terms while Team Anna went ahead and mobilised
> > > public support. Then, when the Government tried to project Team Anna
> > > as one that was dictating terms to Parliament, the Opposition saw it
> > > fit to side with Team Anna in both Houses of Parliament. By now to
> > > the dismay of the Government, the focus had shifted from the Lokpal
> > > Bill to that of a citizen's right to protest peacefully. The
> > > Opposition had also united in blaming the treasury benches for
> > > mishandling the Anna Hazare issue.
> > >
> > > The Government's third mistake was its failure to communicate to the
> > > public the rationale behind its decision to arrest Anna Hazare and
> > > his aides. This was despite the fact that a high profile group of
> > > Ministers had been put in charge. Team Anna, on the other hand, was
> > > not only media-savvy but also use the latest information technology
> > > including Twitter and Facebook to gain public sympathy. They even
> > > smartly recorded Anna Hazare's message on Youtube, even before he was
> > > arrested and televised the message as soon as he was taken into
> > > custody. In fact, the team has won the media war to a large extent
> > > for its ability to anticipate future events.
> > >
> > > The Government's fourth mistake was perhaps to ‘realise' that Anna
> > > Hazare was corrupt much after it had engaged Team Anna and involved
> > > it in the drafting of the Lokpal Bill. They dug out the old 2003
> > > Justice Sawant report that alleged that Anna Hazare was corrupt. This
> > > personal vilification of Anna Hazare backfired to a large extent with
> > > the result that Mr Rahul Gandhi had to step in and make sure that
> > > there were no more personal attack on Team Anna. The fifth mistake
> > > was that after arresting Anna Hazare, the Government could have
> > > released him instead of allowing him seek bail. Since Anna Hazare
> > > refused to seek bail, he had to be lodged in Tihar Jail along with
> > > Suresh Kalmadi and A Raja. The Government did ultimately release him
> > > but if it had done this sooner, then it could have saved face.
> > >
> > > So, with the Government not willing to yield and Team Anna, goaded on
> > > by huge public support, will there be any movement forward? For now,
> > > Anna Hazare has won the first two rounds -- first, by finding his
> > > team a place on the joint drafting committee and the second round by
> > > forcing the Government to release him from jail. The Prime Minister
> > > has thrown up his hands saying he has no magical wand but if his
> > > Government is serious about tackling corruption, then it has to do
> > > better in handling this crisis. It should view this as a golden
> > > opportunity to rebuild its corruption-tainted image.
> > >
> > > http://dailypioneer.com/361766/Congresss-mismanaged-mess.html
> > >
> > > More at:
> > > http://www.dailypioneer.com
> > >
> > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > Om Shanti
> > >
> > > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> > > >
> > > > In article
> > > <2b2f5cc4-7e30-49a5-8fbe-***@j1g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
> > > >
> > > > Mirza Ghalib <***@gmx.com> posted:
> > > > > . . .
> > > > > . . . In today's India it just $4000,
> > > > > and buys just a little more than what it would in the
> > > > > USA. You know what $4000 buys in USA. . . .
> > > >
> > > > How things have changed over the decades!
> > > >
> > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > Om Shanti
> > > >
> > > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> > > > >
> > > > > Forwarded post from S. D.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sunday, August 14, 2011
> > > > >
> > > > > Massive numbers showed in March in US for Anna Hazare in India Day
> > > > > Parade in New Jersey, USA
> > > > >
> > > > > see videos and photos links at the end... please forward to all email
> > > > > lists and post in your blogs and websites.
> > > > >
> > > > > it is a great event by all young people in usa.  india's young is
> > > > > rising and change has to come.  anna's record of service, his
> > > > > sacrifice,  is catching the imagination of all indians both in india
> > > > > and abroad.  let us pray and hope the country will turn around.
> > > > >
> > > > > PRESS RELEASE
> > > > >
> > > > > India Against Corruption
> > > > >
> > > > > Massive numbers showed in March for Anna Hazare in India Day Parade
> > > > > at New Jersey, USA
> > > > >
> > > > > August 14, 2011. Iselin, NJ.  The Indian Independence Day Parade was
> > > > > greeted by torrential rain and indomitable spirit of 150 volunteers
> > > > > of India Against Corruption adorning Anna Topi. Bollywood stars,
> > > > > Major business groups, Tourism industry, Religions groups, Television
> > > > > channels etc. participate in this parade organized by Indian Business
> > > > > Association, NJ. This New Jersey Independence day parade is a major
> > > > > annual event that attracts about 10 thousand people for the parade.
> > > > > The India Against Corruption contingent was the largest group of the
> > > > > whole parade.
> > > > >
> > > > > The volunteers braved severe weather and walked for about 2 hours in
> > > > > the rain. People from all walks of life -- technologists, engineers,
> > > > > business men, doctors, students etc. joined the parade. Old men,
> > > > > women, pregnant women, kids as young as 5 years old, walked in the
> > > > > rain. The volunteers were drenched and cold but their enthusiasm was
> > > > > not dampened. Flyers were distributed to all the people watching the
> > > > > parade. A sample poll of about 500 people watching the parade tallied
> > > > > 95% support for Anna Hazare’s movement. Volunteers were carrying
> > > > > slogans in support of Anna Hazare and Jan Lokpal. Volunteers also
> > > > > sang "Hum Honge Kam Yaab" in front of the main stage. The spirit was
> > > > > so contagious that the passers-by joined them too.  Many volunteers
> > > > > were carrying placards saying -- "I am Anna" in various languages
> > > > > like Hindi, English, Telugu, Tamil, Marathi etc.  The message also
> > > > > said "It is not one Anna. We are Thousands". This was to symbolize
> > > > > the spirit of nationalism that Anna has evoked in common man.
> > > > >
> > > > > This event was covered by major television channels. The volunteers
> > > > > in the parade, common people who joined to IAC, were interviewed by
> > > > > Television and media reporters. Isha, 10 years old was asked by one
> > > > > of the representative in hindi what this movement was about and she
> > > > > said that this was about supporting Anna Hazare who was fight
> > > > > corruption in India.  She also said she supported the movement whole-
> > > > > heartedly.
> > > > >
> > > > > The chants of vande maataram and Jai Hind boomed through the crowd,
> > > > > echoing the patriotic fervor of the participants. The message of the
> > > > > parade was to express the greatness of India and to communicate that
> > > > > the country can be the greatest if we eradicate corruption.  One of
> > > > > successful local commercial realtor was complementing IAC volunteers
> > > > > after the parade and said that the economic growth of our country was
> > > > > great but it could be much greater if not for corruption.
> > > > >
> > > > > One of the slogans in the parade was -- "Anna Hazare -- Desh Tere
> > > > > saath hai!  Videsh Tere saath hai!!". There are a lot of other events
> > > > > being held across the globe on Aug 14, 2011 to mark the Global
> > > > > Solidarity Day declared by IAC. The enthusiasm and support shown by
> > > > > NRIs for India is bound to inspire people in India.  The parade ended
> > > > > with all the volunteers singing the Indian National Anthem drenched
> > > > > in rain and standing in attention.
> > > > >
> > > > > This was an event of the common man, by the common man and for the
> > > > > common man -- a reflection of true democracy, an event in support of
> > > > > Jan Lokpal bill and Anna Hazare.
> > > > >
> > > > > Additional Video and Photo links for the event:
> > > > >
> > > > > YouTube:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I8WT5CNlbA&feature=autoplay&list=PL37ABA3F393
> 93C492
> > > > >
> > > > > Pictures:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> https://picasaweb.google.com/110804064056852150979/2011AugAnna?authuser=0&aut
> hkey=Gv1sRgCNThkNrniKyFuAE&feat=directlink
> > > > >
> > > > > Faith is the bird that feels the light and sings when the dawn is
> > > > > still dark. - R. Tagore
> > > > >
> > > > > End of forwarded post from S. D.
> > > >
> > > > Forwarded message from S. Kalyanaraman
> > > >
> > > > Anna Hazare fast and Sonia Govt's counter moves
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com/2011/08/anna-hazare-fast-and-sonia-govts.h
> > tml
> > > >
> > > > Anna Hazare fast and Sonia Govt's counter moves
> > > >
> > > > Published: August 15, 2011 20:48 IST
> > > > Updated: August 16, 2011 04:15 IST 
> > > >
> > > > Anna Hazare calls for 'jail bharo'
> > > >
> > > > Gargi Parsai
> > > >
> > > > Social activist Anna Hazare during his visit to Rajghat on Monday on
> > > > the eve of his hunger strike for a stronger Lokpal Bill. Photo:
> > > > Sushil Kumar Verma
> > > >
> > > > The confrontation between social activist Anna Hazare and the
> > > > government on the Lokpal Bill took a turn for the worse on Monday
> > > > with the former giving a call to his supporters to fill jails all
> > > > over the country if he is arrested on Tuesday.
> > > >
> > > > Mr. Hazare was denied permission by the Delhi Police to stage his
> > > > fast here as his team refused to comply with all 22 conditions they
> > > > laid.
> > > >
> > > > Addressing journalists here after Prime Minister Manmohan Singh
> > > > criticised him for resorting to a fast as a protest when Parliament
> > > > was seized of the Lokpal Bill, the anti-corruption crusader said he
> > > > would go to the JP Park, the venue of his fast, even though the
> > > > police had imposed prohibitory orders.
> > > >
> > > > "I am given to understand that I will be refused permission. We will
> > > > go there. If I am arrested, I will continue my hunger strike in jail.
> > > > If I am released, I will go back to the venue and continue the fast.
> > > > This will go on,'' Mr. Hazare said. He gave a "lights off'' call
> > > > throughout the country to reflect the "darkness in the hearts of the
> > > > poor, deprived and dispossessed people.''
> > > >
> > > > He said that once he was arrested, people should fill the jails in
> > > > every village.
> > > >
> > > > Accusing the Prime Minister of speaking the same language as his
> > > > Cabinet colleague Kapil Sibal, Mr. Hazare said he was sure that if a
> > > > strong Lokpal was created there would be a 60 per cent end to
> > > > corruption.
> > > >
> > > > Before his news conference, the 74-year-old activist made a surprise
> > > > visit to the Rajghat taking the police unawares. He said he went
> > > > there for "introspection.''
> > > >
> > > > While senior United Progressive Alliance Ministers defended the
> > > > decision to withhold permission to Mr. Hazare as "necessary,'' the
> > > > Opposition Bharatiya Janata Party slammed the government for
> > > > "scuttling all voices of dissent.''
> > > >
> > > > CPI (M) leader Brinda Karat said one may or may not agree with Mr.
> > > > Hazare and his team on the Lokpal Bill but no one can question their
> > > > right to protest.
> > > >
> > > > Activist Arvind Kejriwal said the government's action was
> > > > "autocratic.''
> > > >
> > > > Lawyer Prashant Bhushan said they would move the court on Tuesday
> > > > against the decision of the Delhi Police.
> > > >
> > > > Karnataka Lokayukta Santosh Hegde, who is also a member of the Team
> > > > Anna's core team, said the government's action showed that it was
> > > > "nervous."
> > > >
> > > > Aruna Roy, Nikhil Dey and Shankar Singh of the Mazdoor Kisan Shakti
> > > > Sangathan also condemned the refusal of permission to Mr. Hazare.
> > > >
> > > > HT Correspondents, Hindustan Times
> > > >
> > > > New Delhi, August 15, 2011
> > > > First Published: 23:26 IST(15/8/2011)
> > > > Last Updated: 01:25 IST(16/8/2011)
> > > >
> > > > Police firm, Anna faces arrest
> > > >
> > > > With social activist Anna Hazare and his camp refusing to accept six
> > > > of the 22 conditions set by the Delhi Police for his fast to press
> > > > for a lokpal bill drafted by them, his arrest seemed imminent.
> > > >
> > > > Late Monday, 50 of Hazare's supporters were detained for gathering at
> > > > the proposed JP Park venue of the protest for violating prohibitory
> > > > orders, the police said.
> > > >
> > > > A lokpal bill incorporating several suggestions by the Anna Camp is
> > > > currently in Parliament but the activists said nothing less than a
> > > > complete acceptance of their version is acceptable. 
> > > >
> > > > "We will march to JP Park tomorrow morning and if arrested, I will
> > > > fast in custody. When I am released, I will go there again to start
> > > > my fast," Hazare declared at a press conference, dubbed as an
> > > > "address to the nation".
> > > >
> > > > Delhi Police spokesperson Rajan Bhagat said, "We have denied them
> > > > permission to protest at JP Park. Section 144 that restricts a
> > > > gathering of people has been imposed at the park and all roads
> > > > leading to it. If anyone tries to defy the orders, the punishment can
> > > > vary from preventive custody to arrest."
> > > >
> > > > The police told the Anna Camp that their agitation in JP Park near
> > > > ITO, it couldn't be allowed for more than three days.
> > > >
> > > > When the Anna Camp insisted on permission for an indefinite period,
> > > > the police offered a venue in Burari on the outskirts of the city,
> > > > which Hazare turned down.
> > > >
> > > > All other conditions set for the agitation are common to gatherings
> > > > in the city and guided by various court orders.
> > > >
> > > > Concluding an afternoon filled with drama, Hazare exhorted all
> > > > Indians to join him in jail as he could be arrested.
> > > >
> > > > "Lakhs of people will rise in my support in villages across India,
> > > > and there will be a jail bharo (fill prisons) agitation." Describing
> > > > the country's independence as fake and inadequate, Hazare said its
> > > > time for a "second independence struggle".
> > > >
> > > > Hazare earlier visited Rajghat, the resting place of Mahatma Gandhi,
> > > > for a "meditation".
> > > >
> > > > At a press conference later, Hazare thanked the media for supporting
> > > > his movement.
> > > >
> > > > "The media is the fourth pillar of democracy," he said, adding that
> > > > he is willing to "fetch water in Kapil Sibal's house" if the lokpal
> > > > bill suggested by him does not bring down corruption by "60 to 65%".
> > > >
> > > > Hazare however said his fight is not restricted to a lokpal but for a
> > > > systemic transformation.
> > > >
> > > > Elaborating, he said, "Eighty percent of Indians earn R20 or less a
> > > > day. Others are earning several thousands every day," adding that the
> > > > country is "being run by industrialists.
> > > >
> > > > Therefore, what we require is a systemic transformation, not merely a
> > > > change of government."
> > > >
> > > > He said he respected Parliament but asked why "this sacred place has
> > > > tainted people".
> > > >
> > > > http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/Print/733700.aspx
> > > >
> > > > Published: August 15, 2011 20:48 IST
> > > > Updated: August 16, 2011 04:15 IST 
> > > >
> > > > Anna Hazare calls for 'jail bharo'
> > > >
> > > > Gargi Parsai
> > > >
> > > > Social activist Anna Hazare during his visit to Rajghat on Monday on
> > > > the eve of his hunger strike for a stronger Lokpal Bill. Photo:
> > > > Sushil Kumar Verma
> > > >
> > > > The confrontation between social activist Anna Hazare and the
> > > > government on the Lokpal Bill took a turn for the worse on Monday
> > > > with the former giving a call to his supporters to fill jails all
> > > > over the country if he is arrested on Tuesday.
> > > >
> > > > Mr. Hazare was denied permission by the Delhi Police to stage his
> > > > fast here as his team refused to comply with all 22 conditions they
> > > > laid.
> > > >
> > > > Addressing journalists here after Prime Minister Manmohan Singh
> > > > criticised him for resorting to a fast as a protest when Parliament
> > > > was seized of the Lokpal Bill, the anti-corruption crusader said he
> > > > would go to the JP Park, the venue of his fast, even though the
> > > > police had imposed prohibitory orders.
> > > >
> > > > "I am given to understand that I will be refused permission. We will
> > > > go there. If I am arrested, I will continue my hunger strike in jail.
> > > > If I am released, I will go back to the venue and continue the fast.
> > > > This will go on,'' Mr. Hazare said. He gave a "lights off'' call
> > > > throughout the country to reflect the "darkness in the hearts of the
> > > > poor, deprived and dispossessed people.''
> > > >
> > > > He said that once he was arrested, people should fill the jails in
> > > > every village.
> > > >
> > > > Accusing the Prime Minister of speaking the same language as his
> > > > Cabinet colleague Kapil Sibal, Mr. Hazare said he was sure that if a
> > > > strong Lokpal was created there would be a 60 per cent end to
> > > > corruption.
> > > >
> > > > Before his news conference, the 74-year-old activist made a surprise
> > > > visit to the Rajghat taking the police unawares. He said he went
> > > > there for "introspection.''
> > > >
> > > > While senior United Progressive Alliance Ministers defended the
> > > > decision to withhold permission to Mr. Hazare as "necessary,'' the
> > > > Opposition Bharatiya Janata Party slammed the government for
> > > > "scuttling all voices of dissent.''
> > > >
> > > > CPI (M) leader Brinda Karat said one may or may not agree with Mr.
> > > > Hazare and his team on the Lokpal Bill but no one can question their
> > > > right to protest.
> > > >
> > > > Activist Arvind Kejriwal said the government's action was
> > > > "autocratic.''
> > > >
> > > > Lawyer Prashant Bhushan said they would move the court on Tuesday
> > > > against the decision of the Delhi Police.
> > > >
> > > > Karnataka Lokayukta Santosh Hegde, who is also a member of the Team
> > > > Anna's core team, said the government's action showed that it was
> > > > "nervous."
> > > >
> > > > Aruna Roy, Nikhil Dey and Shankar Singh of the Mazdoor Kisan Shakti
> > > > Sangathan also condemned the refusal of permission to Mr. Hazare.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article2359459.ece?homepage=true
> > > >
> > > > India against corruption: PM holds huddle leaving out key Sonia aides
> > > >
> > > > TNN
> > > > Aug 16, 2011, 02.47AM IST
> > > >
> > > > Indraprasth aka New Delhi - Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Monday
> > > > seemed to be taking charge of Congress's counter-offensive against
> > > > Anna Hazare by holding a huddle with senior party leaders, including
> > > > Rahul Gandhi and finance minister Pranab Mukherjee. 
> > > >
> > > > The rare initiative came just after the flag-hoisting ceremony at
> > > > Congress headquarters, and was at variance with the perception that
> > > > Singh, with the exception of his insistence on pushing the Indo-US
> > > > nuclear deal through, has been content following the party's lead. 
> > > >
> > > > Information and broadcasting minister Ambika Soni and general
> > > > secretary Janardan Dwivedi were part of the deliberations which,
> > > > among other things, focused on assessing how the confrontation with
> > > > civil society might play out in the media. 
> > > >
> > > > The unusual display of leadership on a political issue came against
> > > > the backdrop of the assessment in Congress about the divide between
> > > > PMO and party brass on how to tackle the challenge from Anna's camp. 
> > > >
> > > > The remarkable feature of the impromptu conclave was the exclusion of
> > > > two of Sonia Gandhi's most trusted aides - defence minister A K
> > > > Antony and the Congress chief's political secretary Ahmed Patel. Both
> > > > Antony and Patel were present at the AICC when Singh started the
> > > > consultations. The duo could not get out of the premises because of
> > > > the security bandobast SPG had put in place for the PM and had to
> > > > wait in social justice minister Mukul Wasnik's room till Singh and
> > > > his chosen few ended the deliberations. 
> > > >
> > > > The composition of what was instantly termed the PM's own "core
> > > > group" stunned AICC watchers. 
> > > >
> > > > Antony is a member of the elite bodies - Cabinet committees on
> > > > political affairs, and security. Significantly, his name featured on
> > > > the top of the 'group of four' named by Sonia to look after
> > > > organizational affairs in her absence. 
> > > >
> > > > The PM's initiative is significant against the growing backdrop of
> > > > growing perception in AICC circles about a disconnect between the PMO
> > > > and Congress leadership on how to deal with Anna's campaign.
> > > > Ministers like Kapil Sibal, who are considered to be advising the PM,
> > > > are for an aggressive response, whereas significant sections in the
> > > > party favour a politically calibrated approach. 
> > > >
> > > > There are misgivings in the party over the frontal assault party
> > > > spokesperson Manish Tewari was instructed to launch on the Gandhian.
> > > > Although party circles acknowledge that the provocation came from the
> > > > Anna group, they feel the party should have refrained from targeting
> > > > Anna personally. As against this, elements in the government are
> > > > against holding fire in the hostilities with civil society. 
> > > >
> > > > Amid a sense of puzzlement in the Congress over the aggression on
> > > > Saturday, senior party sources stressed that they don't favour
> > > > personal attacks. "Hazare has made unwarranted attacks on Congress
> > > > instead of focusing on government and others. However, we will not
> > > > stoop to that level and let incivility mar our response," a senior
> > > > party office-bearer said.
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/PM-holds-huddle-on-Anna-campaign-lea
> > ving-out-key-Sonia-aides/articleshow/9617001.cms
> > > >
> > > > India against corruption: 50 supporters of Hazare detained at fast venue
> > > >
> > > > PTI
> > > > Aug 16, 2011, 12.09AM IST
> > > >
> > > > Indraprasth aka New Delhi - At least 50 supporters of Anna Hazare
> > > > were tonight detained by Delhi police at Jai Prakash Narain Park, the
> > > > venue of the anti-graft crusader's planned fast from tomorrow, for
> > > > defying prohibitory orders clamped in the area. 
> > > >
> > > > The supporters of the Gandhian were taken in a police bus to a nearby
> > > > police station, police said. Hazare has been denied permission by
> > > > Delhi police to hold his fast at JPN park. 
> > > >
> > > > They had gathered ahead of Hazare's fast for a strong Lokpal bill to
> > > > express solidarity with him. 
> > > >
> > > > Delhi Police spokesperson Rajan Bhagat said prohibitory orders under
> > > > Section 144 CrPC in some areas of Daryaganj and IP police stations in
> > > > Central Delhi, which include Jai Prakash Narain Park and Shaheed
> > > > Park, were clamped this evening. The section prohibits the assembly
> > > > of five or more people in one place. 
> > > >
> > > > The areas where prohibitory orders have been imposed include
> > > > Shantivan to Rajghat, Rajghat to Jawahar Lal Nehru Marg, Aruna Asaf
> > > > Ali Marg to JLN Marg, Delhi Gate to Tilak Marg on Bahadurshah Zafar
> > > > Marg. 
> > > >
> > > > The orders came following police denying permission to Hazare to hold
> > > > the protest at the park after organisers refused to give an
> > > > undertaking restricting the number of protest days to three and
> > > > protestors to 5,000. 
> > > >
> > > > A large contingent of police, including women personnel, have been
> > > > deployed around JPN Park to ensure that no untoward incident takes
> > > > place. 
> > > >
> > > > Delhi Police meanwhile sought the services of two magistrates from
> > > > the city government. 
> > > >
> > > > Sources said Delhi Police have requested principal secretary (home)
> > > > of the city government to provide them with two magistrates whose
> > > > services might be required to handle the law and order situation
> > > > during the proposed protest. 
> > > >
> > > > Top officials also reviewed the situation at Police Headquarters. 
> > > >
> > > > Union Home Secretary RK Singh held a meeting with Delhi Police
> > > > Commissioner BK Gupta and other senior officials at the Police
> > > > Headquarters here to take stock of the measures taken by the force to
> > > > tackle any untoward situation.
> > > >
> > > >
> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/India-against-corruption-50-supporte
> rs-of-Hazare-detained-at-fast-venue/articleshow/9615987.cms
> > > >
> > > > Delhi Police plans 'Gandhigiri'
> > > >
> > > > By Pramod Kumar Singh
> > > > The Pioneer
> > > > Tuesday, August 16, 2011
> > > >
> > > > Unarmed, but ready to put the Gandhian and supporters behind bars 
> > > >
> > > > Indraprasth aka New Delhi - With Anna Hazare and his colleagues being
> > > > denied permission for their proposed fast at Jai Prakash Narayan
> > > > Park, battle lines have been drawn. However, the Delhi Police plans
> > > > to score brownie points with the people by adopting 'Gandhian
> > > > methods' of maintaining law and order. 
> > > >
> > > > Anna and his supporters will be taken into custody by the Delhi
> > > > Police if they try to enter Jai Prakash Narayan Park on Tuesday
> > > > morning. However, senior Delhi Police officials said that officers of
> > > > Delhi Police detailed for the duty would be unarmed and maximum
> > > > restraint would be exercised in dealing with the situation.
> > > >
> > > > However, it is unlikely that this will be the only line of deployment
> > > > for disallowing protests by Hazare and his group. The Delhi Police
> > > > has already deployed a large number of moveable barricades in Central
> > > > and New Delhi districts to prevent Anna and his supporters from going
> > > > to the announced place. The anti-riot first battalion of the armed
> > > > police would be on standby. "However, the police manning the
> > > > barricades would all be unarmed and request protesters not to move
> > > > further," informed a Delhi Police officer.
> > > >
> > > > Special Branch of the Delhi Police has reported that those coming to
> > > > JP Park are expected to be peaceful and there was little likelihood
> > > > of violence. But the situation could change if Anna and his
> > > > supporters decided to move to any other venue and needed protection,
> > > > a senior Delhi Police official said.
> > > >
> > > > The Delhi Police have chalked out an elaborate plan after Union Home
> > > > Secretary RK Singh visited the Delhi Police Headquarters on Monday
> > > > afternoon to review the situation as a showdown between the Team Anna
> > > > and the police appears inevitable. Intelligence wing of the Delhi
> > > > Police has cautioned the Central and New Delhi district police that
> > > > Anna and his supporters could spring a last minute surprise and could
> > > > go either to Rajghat or Jantar Mantar or even to 10 Janpath, the
> > > > residence of Congress president Sonia Gandhi. 
> > > >
> > > > Delhi Police officers said that they could very well block entry to
> > > > all these places if the situation so demanded and any attempt to
> > > > breach the police cordon would be "dealt in a firm albeit peaceful
> > > > manner."
> > > >
> > > > "Since Section 144 has been imposed in Central district, no assembly
> > > > of people would be allowed near the park," the official added. 
> > > >
> > > > The imposition of section 144 would mean that protests at the nearby
> > > > Ramlila Maidan and Rajghat would also not be allowed. Sources said
> > > > that Union Home Secretary asked Delhi Police Commissioner BK Gupta to
> > > > be careful while planning security arrangements and handle Tuesday
> > > > protest with minimum use of force. 
> > > >
> > > > "The Delhi Police has taken several measures to avoid a Ramlila
> > > > Maidan like situation," the official added. The Delhi Police used a
> > > > heavy hand to evict the supporters of Baba Ramdev in June after the
> > > > negotiations between the Government and the Yog Guru failed to reach
> > > > conclusion.
> > > >
> > > > In a significant development, the Delhi Government has permitted the
> > > > Delhi Police to use Chhatrasal Stadium as a makeshift jail to house
> > > > Anna Hazare and his supporters after they are arrested. The Delhi
> > > > Police has requested the Delhi Government to provide either
> > > > Chhatrasal stadium or the State Guest House 33 Shamnath Marg on
> > > > Alipur Road for using it as temporary jail. Chief Secretary PK
> > > > Tripathi, Home Principal Secretary Arvind Ray and DG Prisons Neeraj
> > > > Kumar were present in the meeting.
> > > >
> > > > Meanwhile, when asked why permission was denied to Anna Hazare in the
> > > > first place, Joint Commissioner of Police, Northern Range, Sudhir
> > > > Yadav told The Pioneer, "The Supreme Court has very clearly set
> > > > guidelines about such type of fasts and sit-ins. They refused to
> > > > comply with our six major conditions out of 22, the permission was
> > > > accordingly denied. Now any move to hold a protest near JP Park will
> > > > be dealt according to the provisions of law." When asked whether the
> > > > Delhi Police could go for preventive arrests to prevent Anna and his
> > > > supporters from going to JP Park, the Joint CP replied in negative.
> > > > He said, "There is no need as the Delhi Police was capable of
> > > > handling any situation that may emerge on Tuesday morning. Central
> > > > district police has requisitioned buses to move Anna and his
> > > > supporters in the event of them being detained for violating
> > > > prohibitory orders." 
> > > >
> > > > http://www.dailypioneer.com/361100/Delhi-Police-plans-Gandhigiri.html
> > > >
> > > > Anna Hazare to begin fast today, people across India switch off
> > > > lights in support
> > > >
> > > > ITGD Bureau
> > > > August 15, 2011 - 19:04
> > > >
> > > > Anna Hazare addresses media in New Delhi on Monday.
> > > >
> > > > Indraprasth aka New Delhi - Anna Hazare is all set for a full blown
> > > > confrontation with the government on the Lokpal Bill, giving a call
> > > > to his supporters to fill up jails all over the country if he is
> > > > arrested on Tuesday after he was denied permission to hold indefinite
> > > > fast in the national capital.
> > > >
> > > > Addressing a press conference after Prime Minister Manmohan Singh
> > > > slammed him for resorting to fast as a protest when Parliament was
> > > > seized of the Lokpal bill, the Gandhian said he will go to J P park
> > > > on Tuesday, the venue of his fast even though Delhi police has
> > > > imposed prohibitory orders.
> > > >
> > > > "My mission begins tomorrow, we have a long fight ahead," Hazare
> > > > said.
> > > >
> > > > "I come to understand that I will be refused permission. We will go
> > > > there. If I am arrested, I will continue my hunger strike in the
> > > > jail. If I am released, I will go back to the venue and this circle
> > > > will continue," he said at a 30-minute press conference that came to
> > > > an end to coincide with his "lights-off" call throughout the country
> > > > from 8 pm.
> > > >
> > > > He said once he is arrested, people should fill up the jails in every
> > > > village across the country. "Going to jail for the country is no
> > > > crime...It is a decoration," he said.
> > > >
> > > > He accused the Prime Minister of "speaking" the language of his
> > > > ministerial colleague Kapil Sibal saying that the Lokpal bill was
> > > > before Parliament which will take the call.
> > > >
> > > > Before his press conference, the 73-year old activist made an
> > > > unscheduled visit to Rajghat, where he sat in meditation. Soon after
> > > > the news of his being at the Gandhi Samadhi, hundreds of supporters
> > > > gathered around him.
> > > >
> > > > Earlier in the day, Delhi Police refused permission to Gandhian and
> > > > his supporters saying that team Hazare have refused to give an
> > > > undertaking on restricting the number of days of protest and
> > > > protesters besides four other conditions.
> > > >
> > > > Sudhir Yadav, Joint Commissioner of Police (Northern Range), said
> > > > anybody assembling at the Park on Tuesday would face legal action.
> > > >
> > > > "We have denied the permission. Nobody is supposed to come to the
> > > > park. If somebody comes there, it is unlawful. They will be handled
> > > > according to law. If they do that, it is violation of law," Yadav
> > > > said as police prepared to lock down the grounds.
> > > >
> > > > Union Home Secretary R K Singh reviewed the situation with Delhi
> > > > Police Commissioner B K Gupta and other top officials at the police
> > > > headquarters.
> > > >
> > > > Hazare's protest on Tuesday is in pursuit of his campaign for a
> > > > strong Lokpal that will have under its ambit Prime Minister, higher
> > > > judiciary, conduct of MPs in Parliament and other provisions. The
> > > > bill introduced in Parliament excludes these institutions.
> > > >
> > > > In his speech at the Red Fort on Monday morning, the Prime Minister
> > > > decried Hazare going on fast and said Parliament alone will decide on
> > > > Lokpal and those having grievances should approach Parliamentary
> > > > Committees for airing their views.
> > > >
> > > > At his press conference, Hazare said corruption has crossed all
> > > > limits and is all pervasive in various sectors, including education
> > > > and jobs.
> > > >
> > > > He said even after Jan Lokpal is passed, there is no guarantee that
> > > > corruption will be eliminated 100 per cent but he was confident that
> > > > it would end at least up to 60-65 per cent. "If it does not happen, I
> > > > am ready to serve water at Kapil Sibal's house," he said.
> > > >
> > > > Hazare said the fight against corruption has just begin and will not
> > > > stop even if Lokpal bill passed. The struggle for the change will
> > > > continue and it is a long battle, he said.
> > > >
> > > > "It is now a fight to the finish," he said, adding they were not for
> > > > pulling down the government but if falls in the process, they don't
> > > > care.
> > > >
> > > > He also said his protest will be non-violent because non-violence was
> > > > a powerful weapon.
> > > >
> > > > Referring to the Prime Minister's remarks that the Lokpal bill was
> > > > before Parliament, he said "We have to accept Parliament. We have
> > > > trust in Parliament but the bill that has gone before it is not
> > > > proper."
> > > >
> > > > The activist said the provisions like appointment and removal of
> > > > Lokpal were serious issues on which government made promises but
> > > > suddenly it changed its stand and "betrayed us".
> > > >
> > > > Speaking about repeated assertions from the government's side that he
> > > > was undermining democracy, he said, "Don't we know democracy? Is
> > > > democracy only wining elections after spending money. Four MPs are in
> > > > jail and there are charges against nearly 150 others."
> > > >
> > > > Hazare said government was working only for big industrialists
> > > > acquiring lands from farmers and was not working for the poor.
> > > >
> > > > - With PTI inputs
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/story/lokpal-bill-anna-hazare-addresses-med
> ia/1/148140.html
> > > >
> > > > S. Kalyanaraman
> > > >
> > > > https://sites.google.com/site/indianoceancommunity1/
> > > > http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com
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> > > > http://tinyurl.com/4xguuoh (Rastram: Flipkart in India)
> > > >
> > > > End of forwarded message from S. Kalyanaraman
> > > >
> > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > Om Shanti
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Hazare's fast enters sixth day

PTI
The Pioneer
http://www.dailypioneer.com
Sunday, August 21, 2011

Indraprasth aka New Delhi - Anna Hazare's fast demanding a strong
Lokpal entered the sixth day today with more and more people pouring
into his protest venue, extending support to his campaign.

Hazare came to the podium at around 10 AM as supporters started
pouring into Ramlila Maidan where he launched his protest on Friday
after coming out of Tihar Jail.

After reaching the podium, Hazare "thanked" people for extending
whole-hearted support to his campaign against corruption.

"I thank all of you for coming here and supporting the movement," the
73-year-old anti-corruption crusader said in a brief comment.

Earlier in the morning, Hazare and his close associates -- Arvind
Kejriwal, Kiran Bedi, Shanti Bhushan, Manish Sisodia -- held a
meeting. Activist Medha Patkar was also present.

Although Government and Team Anna yesterday spoke of the need for a
dialogue on the Lokpal issue, no such channel of communication has
yet been opened, according to activists.

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh had said yesterday that there was "a
lot of scope for give and take" and that the government was open to
"discussion and dialogue".

Kejriwal had later said Team Anna was also ready for talks but asked
"whom should we meet, where should we meet and when should we meet."
There were no signs as to which side would take the initiative to
break the deadlock.

Pandering to the populist mood at Ramlila Grounds where Hazare is
fasting, his associates Kejriwal, Prashant Bhushan and Kiran Bedi had
also spoken some tough words like "we cannot trust this government",
but, at the same time, maintained that the government should come
forward and start discussions.

Meanwhile, there was no indication of support for Hazare fizzling out
with time as the second consecutive night of the Gandhian's protest
witnessed more crowds than the first.

Hazare had launched his protest in Ramlila Maidan on Friday after
coming out of Tihar Jail.

Scores of protesters stayed back at the spacious grounds throughout
the night raising impromptu slogans, majority of which were anti-
government and anti-Congress, singing patriotic songs, bhajans, and
playing musical instruments like tabla and violin.

More and more people started coming to the protest site in the
morning as they raised slogans supporting the Gandhian in his fight
against corruption.

http://dailypioneer.com/362324/Hazares-fast-enters-sixth-day.html

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Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

> Hazare willing for dialogue, Govt opens back channel talks
>
> PTI
> The Pioneer
> http://www.dailypioneer.com
> Monday, August 22, 2011
>
> Indraprasth aka New Delhi - Anna Hazare today expressed his
> willingness to have a dialogue on the Lokpal issue with the
> Government which has opened a back channel with him through a top
> Maharashtra bureaucrat and a spiritual leader even as the Gandhian's
> fast entered the sixth day today.
>
> Maharashtra Additional Chief Secretary Umesh Chandra Sarangi, who
> visited Hazare last night, had a second meeting with the social
> activist along with Indore-based spiritual leader Baiyujji Maharaj.
> The spiritual leader is known to several top politicians from
> Maharashtra.
>
> Sarangi has a good rapport with Hazare having handled several such
> situations in Maharashtra under former Chief Minister Vilasrao
> Deshmukh when he had either gone on fast or threatened to do so. His
> meeting was described as "personal" by Team Anna which maintained "no
> compromise formula" was discussed.
>
> A day after Prime Minister Manmohan Singh stated that the Government
> was open for discussion, 73-year-old Hazare said his campaign against
> corruption has not closed the door of dialogue with it to resolve the
> differences on Lokpal bill.
>
> "We have not closed the door of dialogue. We have kept it open. Only
> through dialogue the issues can be resolved," he told thousands of
> his supporters on a humid day at Ramlila Ground on the sixth day of
> his fast.
>
> Minister of State for Parliamentary Affairs Harish Rawat said the
> Centre has initiated a dialogue process with Team Anna at various
> levels to break the deadlock.
>
> "The dialogue process has already been initiated at various levels
> through well-wishers. This dialogue is at various levels which is not
> parallel to each other but complementary to each other," Rawat told
> PTI in Dehradun.
>
> The core committee of 'India Against Corruption' had a meeting during
> which its deliberated Prime Minister's readiness to hold discussions.
> It said no proposal has come from the government so far.
>
> "With whom and where should we discuss what," Arvind Kejriwal, a key
> aide of Hazare, said announcing the five decisions taken at the
> meeting.
>
> Comment:
>
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>
> Anna's open is invitation to danger
>
> By vedam on 8/21/2011 5:29:31 PM
>
> That is the danger as Muammar Quotaffis who are desecrating the
> Parliament are thirsting for Anna's blood. Better if Anna sits a bit
> far away from his open door.
>
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>
> http://dailypioneer.com/362331/Hazare-willing-for-dialogue-Govt-opens-back-cha
> nnel-talks.html
>
> More at:
> http://www.dailypioneer.com
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
>
>> Army appreciates Anna job records
>>
>> By Kumar Shakti Shekhar
>> The Pioneer
>> Sunday, August 21, 2011
>>
>> Indraprasth aka New Delhi - In another blow to the Congress, the Army
>> has praised the service of anti-corruption crusader Anna Hazare in
>> the force.
>>
>> In reply to an RTI query, the Army has said Kisan Baburao Hazare
>> (popularly known as Hazare) was "honourably discharged" from the
>> Indian Army on completion of service. It has also clarified that he
>> neither ever deserted the Indian Army nor was punished. On the
>> contrary, he got five medals for his service.
>>
>> RTI activist Subhash Chandra Agrawal has expressed surprise over the
>> fact that the Army sent him some replies which he did not even seek.
>> He has also expressed shock over the correspondence between him and
>> the Army getting "leaked" to a "third party" (Congress).
>>
>> Congress spokesperson Manish Tewari had, on August 14, come down
>> heavily on Hazare and accused him of preaching transparency but not
>> replying to the Army's letter to him dated May 27 seeking details of
>> his contribution to the Army.
>>
>> Army Service Corps (ASC) Records (South), Bangalore, in its reply
>> dated August 3 has said Hazare, after enrolling on April 14, 1963,
>> completed his training at Aurangabad. His designation, when he joined
>> the service was a Recruit. He was attested as soldier on November 16,
>> 1963. He held the rank of Sepoy at the time of leaving the service.
>>
>> He was enrolled with terms of engagement of 10 years of colour
>> service and 10 years of Reserve service. On completion of 10 years of
>> colour service, he was granted extension of colour service with
>> effect from April 14, 1973 till his service was required. He was
>> transferred to reserve establishment on August 4, 1975 and finally
>> discharged from Reserve Establishment on April 30, 1983.
>>
>> "Yes, he was honourably discharged from the Indian Army on completion
>> of Service. As per records held with this office, he had never
>> deserted the Indian Army. Following medals were notified: Sainya Seva
>> Medal with clasp Bengal Assam, nine years' long Service Medal,
>> Sangram Medal, 25th Independent Anniversary Medal and Pashchimi Star.
>> No punishment as per service record," said the reply.
>>
>> http://dailypioneer.com/362204/Army-appreciates-Anna-job-records.html
>>
>> More at:
>> http://www.dailypioneer.com
>>
>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>> Om Shanti
>>
>>> Forwarded message from S. Kalyanaraman
>>>
>>> Anna Hazare announces new revolution for second independence, recalls
>>> 1942 Quit India movement
>>> http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com/2011/08/postal-stamp-to-commemorate-swami.html
>>>
>>> Postal stamp to commemorate Swami Vivekananda's birth
>>>
>>> Friday August 12, 2011
>>>
>>> Postal stamp to commemorate Swami Vivekananda's birth
>>>
>>> By Jayagandi Jayaraj 
>>> Photos by P. Nathan
>>>
>>> TO commemorate the 150th birth anniversary of Swami Vivekanand (1863-
>>> 2013), Ramakrishna Mission Malaysia observed the release of the
>>> 'Arise, Awake!' postal stamp on Aug 2.
>>>
>>> The stamp takes inspiration from the holy man's famous quote "Arise,
>>> Awake! Stop not till the goal is reached".
>>>
>>> Centre president Swami Supriyananda said with the release of the
>>> stamp by Pos Malaysia, the mission was gearing up to celebrate
>>> Vivekananda's 150 years in a fit and proper manner appropriate to his
>>> universally respected stature as a world teacher, thinker, leader,
>>> prophet, pathfinder and humanity benefactor.
>>>
>>> New series: The newly-released stamp.
>>>
>>> In line with that, a series of Personality Development programmes for
>>> youths through Vivekananda's life and message are being planned for
>>> two years, 2012 and 2013, all over Malaysia.
>>>
>>> Supriyananda said the mission had lined up the set of programmes to
>>> help them with inner confidence and character.
>>>
>>> "The half-day free programmes will be starting next month, and they
>>> will focus on physical, mental and spiritual health. We go to gyms to
>>> develop the body, and to temples to perform rituals, but a positive
>>> mentality also needs to be built. When you build character, you have
>>> everything," he said after the event held at the mission's centre in
>>> Petaling Jaya.
>>>
>>> Also present at the event were Ramakrishna Mission, Belue Math, India
>>> general secretary Swami Prabhananda, and Toh Puan Uma Sambanthan.
>>>
>>> http://www.thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?sec=central&file=/2011/8/12/central/9261026
>>>
>>> http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com/2011/08/anna-hazare-announces-new-revolution.html
>>>
>>> Anna Hazare announces new revolution for second independence, recalls
>>> 1942 Quit India movement
>>>
>>> Anna at Ramlila Ground, says fight far from over
>>>
>>> Agencies
>>> 19 Aug 2011, 1414 hrs IST
>>>
>>> After spending three days in Tihar Jail, anti-corruption crusader
>>> Anna Hazare on Friday (August 19) reached the Ramlila Maidan to
>>> continue his indefinite fast for a strong Jan Lokpal Bill. Addressing
>>> the massive crowd gathered at the venue, the 74-year-old veteran
>>> Gandhian urged them to continue the fight for a strong Lokpal Bill. 
>>>
>>> Anna Hazare said, "The fight against corruption will continue whether
>>> I am alive or not. We must not give up our fight for a strong Lokpal
>>> Bill. We will not vacate this ground till the Jan Lokpal Bill comes
>>> into effect."
>>>
>>> In a massive show of support, a sea of humanity followed the civil
>>> society leader on the streets of Delhi as he made his way to the
>>> Ramlila Ground to hold his fast. The moment Anna Hazare emerged out
>>> of the Tihar Jail after spending three days there, thousands who were
>>> camping outside the high profile prison welcomed him by cheering
>>> loudly and chanting slogans. 
>>>
>>> On route to Ramlila Maidan, Anna visited Rajghat, samadhi of Mahatma
>>> Gandhi. Hazare supporters accompanied the procession waving the tri-
>>> colour while he accepted greetings from people gathered on either
>>> side of the road in West Delhi. The improvised vehicle had a huge
>>> umbrella to protect Hazare and his close aides from the pounding
>>> rain. Apart from walking along with Hazare's vehicle, the supporters
>>> followed him on bikes, jeeps and cars.
>>>
>>> The procession affected vehicular traffic in and around the Tihar
>>> prison premises including in Janakpuri, Mayapuri and Hari Nagar in
>>> West Delhi. 
>>>
>>> The tireless Hazare was greeted by the supporters with garlands and
>>> bouquets at various intersections en-route his procession which was
>>> marked by chants of 'Anna' and "Vande Mataram". 
>>>
>>> Children, housewives and others were seen standing on their balconies
>>> and rooftops to have a glimpse of Hazare and the procession.
>>> Protesters expressed happiness over the 74-year-old Gandhian's
>>> decision to come out from the prison complex following rounds of
>>> negotiations with the police and authorities to decide on agitation
>>> venue to undertake hunger strike. 
>>>
>>> Hazare had planned to begin his fast for a stronger Lokpal Bill at
>>> the J.P. Park in the ITO area Tuesday. 
>>>
>>> Delhi Police imposed certain conditions before the protest could be
>>> allowed. Hazare however refused to agree, after which the police
>>> detained him and his associates Tuesday. 
>>>
>>> He was sent to Tihar and was subsequently released Tuesday night, but
>>> he refused to leave the jail until allowed to carry on the fast
>>> without any conditions. 
>>>
>>> Hazare has been demanding the government to bring the prime minister,
>>> higher judiciary and the conduct of MPs inside parliament within the
>>> ambit of the Lokpal (ombudsman).
>>>
>>> http://www.timesnow.tv/Anna-at-Ramlila-Ground-says-fight-far-from-over/articleshow/4381710.cms
>>>
>>> http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com/2011/08/its-middle-class-stupid-swagato-ganguly.html
>>>
>>> http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com/2011/08/pc-should-quit-over-anna-arrest-says.html
>>>
>>> PC should quit over Anna arrest, says Swamy
>>>
>>> Express News Service , The New Indian Express
>>> Posted on Aug 19, 2011 at 09:41am IST
>>>
>>> Chennai: Janata Party president Subramanian Swamy on Thursday
>>> demanded resignation of Union Home Minister P Chidambaram over the
>>> "illegal" arrest of anti-corruption crusader Anna Hazare.
>>>
>>> "The arrest of Hazare is not a collective responsibility of the
>>> Cabinet. Law and Order is the sole responsibility of the Home
>>> Minister and he should take responsibility and put in his papers,"
>>> said Swamy. The treatment meted out to a respected person like Anna
>>> Hazare has spoiled the reputation of the country, he said. "The
>>> government owes an apology to Hazare. As part of the atonement,
>>> Chidambaram should be removed," he said.
>>>
>>> Swamy also demanded immediate dissolution of the Lok Sabha and
>>> holding of a mid-term poll over the "illegal arrest" of Anna Hazare
>>> and his colleagues.
>>>
>>> Swamy, the brain behind 2G spectrum case, said he would seek
>>> Chidambaram be named as a co-accused in the case along with former
>>> telecom minister A Raja during the court hearing on August 24.
>>> Interestingly, Swamy's statement comes close on the heels of Raja's
>>> demand that Chidambaram be made a witness. Raja had told court that
>>> Chidambaram, who was Finance Minister when the spectrum allocation
>>> took place, "cleared the sale of equity in Swan and Unitech, so he is
>>> bound to come to court as a witness".
>>>
>>> To a query over National Minority Commission's decision to serve
>>> notice on him over his article in a newspaper, Swamy said he is yet
>>> to receive such a notice.
>>>
>>> http://ibnlive.in.com/news/pc-should-quit-over-anna-arrest-says-swamy/176793-60-118.html
>>>
>>> It's the middle class, stupid - Swagato Ganguly
>>>
>>> It's the middle class, stupid
>>>
>>> Swagato Ganguly
>>> August 19, 2011, 12.00 a.m. IST
>>>
>>> Nobody within the government saw it coming. The middle class has
>>> risen massively in support of Anna Hazare, upsetting the government's
>>> calculations about being able to manage the anti-corruption movement
>>> easily. In doing so, the middle class has upended the received wisdom
>>> that it is politically apathetic. 
>>>
>>> Some element of that received wisdom must have played its part in the
>>> government's assessment that the Hazare group was just an
>>> unrepresentative bunch of civil society activists who would be easily
>>> browbeaten. That assessment has proven spectacularly wrong, with the
>>> government having to eat humble pie on the very day he was arrested.
>>> It's clear by now that Hazare's arrest was the spark that lit a
>>> prairie fire of protests across the country. 
>>>
>>> The middle class has stamped its character on those protests in many
>>> ways, not limited to the goodly number of professionals, white-collar
>>> workers, housewives and college students hitting the streets in
>>> support of Anna. The protests are novel in that they have been
>>> remarkably disciplined and peaceful wherever they have been staged -
>>> as opposed to the rioting, stone-throwing, brick-batting, arson,
>>> prolonged public bandhs and damage to property that are the norm for
>>> political protests in India. 
>>>
>>> Moreover, instead of being relayed through caste, clan and kinship
>>> networks or routed through political parties, the organisers have
>>> used modern forms of communication - such as text messages, Twitter
>>> and Facebook - or relied on secular civic organisations to quickly
>>> assemble large crowds. And there's no denying the role that
>>> saturation television coverage has played in transmitting their
>>> message. 
>>>
>>> That has caused some commentators to glibly conclude that the
>>> protests are a superficial TV phenomenon that will die down when the
>>> TV cameras go away. But the point about 24x7 news coverage is that
>>> the TV cameras never go away. In that sense, we live in an inherently
>>> tele-visual society; this has played a role in seminal events in
>>> history. The fall of the Berlin Wall, for instance, has been
>>> attributed partly to the beaming of West German TV images into East
>>> German homes, allowing people in the communist half a glimpse into
>>> life in West Germany. 
>>>
>>> For many of those who have hit the streets, it isn't really about the
>>> merits or demerits of the Jan Lokpal over the Lokpal Bill, of which
>>> they have only a hazy idea. Rather, the Lokpal debate is merely a
>>> trigger for the sense of inchoate rage they feel at a political
>>> system which displays contempt for their priorities. It's not
>>> divorced, for example, from their response to the outrageous loot of
>>> Commonwealth Games coffers, or to the fact that 76 MPs in the current
>>> Lok Sabha - 14% of its total strength - stand accused of not ordinary
>>> but serious crimes such as murder, kidnapping, extortion, rape. 
>>>
>>> For politicians of the old order (and professional pols belong mostly
>>> to the old order), only the two ends of the social spectrum matter.
>>> While moneyed elites can bring in the moolah, the poor masses have
>>> the votes. The middle classes don't figure in this equation. On the
>>> other hand, when a middle-class person looks at the taxes deducted
>>> from his hard-earned salary, he's liable to ask what the government
>>> is doing with his taxes. That's a basis of democratic politics
>>> everywhere, but given shoddy governance standards in India the
>>> answers - or more accurately the lack of answers - are likely to
>>> enrage him. Taken in its widest sense, the theme of corruption is
>>> just a metaphorical way of broaching the question - what are you
>>> doing with my money? 
>>>
>>> It's here that India has arrived at an inflexion point. The middle
>>> class (defined as those with monthly household income between Rs
>>> 20,000 and Rs 100,000) has exploded in numbers from 25 million in
>>> 1996 to 160 million currently. By 2015, it's expected to hit 267
>>> million. That makes it a significant proportion of the electorate, a
>>> 'vote bank' politicians can no longer afford to overlook. Moreover,
>>> this rapid rise in numbers indicates a shift in the balance of power
>>> within the middle class itself. The 'new' middle class - which owes
>>> nothing to state employment - is eclipsing the 'old' middle class
>>> that was a creation of the pre-liberalisation Nehruvian state. 
>>>
>>> The old middle class is less likely to question the state, since it
>>> is dependent for employment, professional life and pensions on the
>>> state. Moreover, its symbolic economy and world view are convergent
>>> with that of the state itself, and therefore its needs are better
>>> taken care of. It is the new middle class that has reason to feel
>>> disconnected. And it will count more and more as a strategic factor
>>> in Indian politics. 
>>>
>>> Anna Hazare is just a catalyst who happens to chime with the middle-
>>> class mood today. But the arrival of the new middle class is a more
>>> lasting phenomenon than Hazare himself. Just like the TV cameras,
>>> this middle class is not going to go away. Smart politicians had
>>> better hone their strategies to co-opt middle-class rage. They ignore
>>> it at their peril.
>>> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/opinion/edit-page/Its-the-middle-class-stupid/articleshow/9651012.cms
>>>
>>> S. Kalyanaraman
>>>
>>> https://sites.google.com/site/indianoceancommunity1/
>>> http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com
>>> http://tinyurl.com/3w6ojj6 (Indus Script Cipher)
>>> http://tinyurl.com/4xguuoh (Rastram: Flipkart in India)
>>>
>>> End of forwarded message from S. Kalyanaraman
>>>
>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>>> Om Shanti
>>>
>>>> Congress's mismanaged mess
>>>>
>>>> By Kalyani Shankar
>>>> Op-Ed
>>>> The Pioneer
>>>> http://www.dailypioneer.com
>>>> Friday, August 19, 2011
>>>>
>>>> The only reason why Anna Hazare, who till recently was unknown
>>>> outside Maharashtra, has attained the status of a national hero is
>>>> because the UPA Government has repeatedly mishandled his agitation
>>>>
>>>> If anyone is to be blamed for the sudden larger-than-life persona of
>>>> civil society leader Anna Hazare, it is the Government for it allowed
>>>> him to assume such a role. Four months ago, Anna Hazare did not even
>>>> have a fraction of the popularity he enjoys today. In fact, he was
>>>> barely known outside of Maharashtra. He also had no Team Anna.
>>>>
>>>> But then, Anna Hazare seized the issue of ‘aam admi' based on which
>>>> the Congress had come to power in 2004 and again in 2009. This made
>>>> it difficult for the Congress as it could be seen fighting anyone but
>>>> simply not the aam admi.
>>>>
>>>> However, the defining moment of Anna Hazare's movement was the day he
>>>> was arrested and sent to jail. At that moment, the fight moved from
>>>> the Lokpal Bill to the citizen's right to protest which gathered him
>>>> enormous support. The one telling picture of Anna Hazare meditating
>>>> in Rajghat also added to his cause. That is when his popularity
>>>> increased manifold and he became a larger than life persona.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, the electronic media also built him overnight as one
>>>> comparable to Mahatma Gandhi and Jayaprakash Narayan, and his
>>>> movement against corruption is now likened to freedom struggle of
>>>> yesteryears.
>>>>
>>>> So the question is could his arrest have been avoided? The answer to
>>>> that is yes. The Government could have handled Anna Hazare case with
>>>> more sensitivity. If his arrest was a surprise, his release too has
>>>> raised many eyebrows. Many would think that now if the genie is out
>>>> of the bottle, it cannot be put back.
>>>>
>>>> But arresting Anna Hazare was not the first mistake the Government
>>>> had committed. Starting from April when Anna Hazare was fasting at
>>>> Jantar Mantar, the Government had committed a series of one faux pas,
>>>> one after the other.
>>>>
>>>> First, the Government gave him legitimacy when he initially started
>>>> talking about corruption. As the NDA convenor Sharad Yadav pointed
>>>> out that while the Opposition had been discussing corruption and
>>>> price rise, the Government gave Anna Hazare credibility by
>>>> negotiating with him and his team. The Prime Minister met him, Ms
>>>> Sonia Gandhi appealed to him to not go on a fast and finally, the
>>>> Government in a knee-jerk reaction invited Team Anna to participate
>>>> in the joint drafting committee on the Lokpal Bill. The Government in
>>>> fact went all out to engage the Team Anna.
>>>>
>>>> The next mistake was not handling the whole thing as a political
>>>> issue but treating it as a legal issue instead. Political problems
>>>> have to be dealt with political tact. But the Ministers in charge
>>>> only talked in legal terms while Team Anna went ahead and mobilised
>>>> public support. Then, when the Government tried to project Team Anna
>>>> as one that was dictating terms to Parliament, the Opposition saw it
>>>> fit to side with Team Anna in both Houses of Parliament. By now to
>>>> the dismay of the Government, the focus had shifted from the Lokpal
>>>> Bill to that of a citizen's right to protest peacefully. The
>>>> Opposition had also united in blaming the treasury benches for
>>>> mishandling the Anna Hazare issue.
>>>>
>>>> The Government's third mistake was its failure to communicate to the
>>>> public the rationale behind its decision to arrest Anna Hazare and
>>>> his aides. This was despite the fact that a high profile group of
>>>> Ministers had been put in charge. Team Anna, on the other hand, was
>>>> not only media-savvy but also use the latest information technology
>>>> including Twitter and Facebook to gain public sympathy. They even
>>>> smartly recorded Anna Hazare's message on Youtube, even before he was
>>>> arrested and televised the message as soon as he was taken into
>>>> custody. In fact, the team has won the media war to a large extent
>>>> for its ability to anticipate future events.
>>>>
>>>> The Government's fourth mistake was perhaps to ‘realise' that Anna
>>>> Hazare was corrupt much after it had engaged Team Anna and involved
>>>> it in the drafting of the Lokpal Bill. They dug out the old 2003
>>>> Justice Sawant report that alleged that Anna Hazare was corrupt. This
>>>> personal vilification of Anna Hazare backfired to a large extent with
>>>> the result that Mr Rahul Gandhi had to step in and make sure that
>>>> there were no more personal attack on Team Anna. The fifth mistake
>>>> was that after arresting Anna Hazare, the Government could have
>>>> released him instead of allowing him seek bail. Since Anna Hazare
>>>> refused to seek bail, he had to be lodged in Tihar Jail along with
>>>> Suresh Kalmadi and A Raja. The Government did ultimately release him
>>>> but if it had done this sooner, then it could have saved face.
>>>>
>>>> So, with the Government not willing to yield and Team Anna, goaded on
>>>> by huge public support, will there be any movement forward? For now,
>>>> Anna Hazare has won the first two rounds -- first, by finding his
>>>> team a place on the joint drafting committee and the second round by
>>>> forcing the Government to release him from jail. The Prime Minister
>>>> has thrown up his hands saying he has no magical wand but if his
>>>> Government is serious about tackling corruption, then it has to do
>>>> better in handling this crisis. It should view this as a golden
>>>> opportunity to rebuild its corruption-tainted image.
>>>>
>>>> http://dailypioneer.com/361766/Congresss-mismanaged-mess.html
>>>>
>>>> More at:
>>>> http://www.dailypioneer.com
>>>>
>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>>>> Om Shanti
>>>>
>>>>> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>>>>>
>>>>> In article
>>>> <2b2f5cc4-7e30-49a5-8fbe-***@j1g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>
>>>>> Mirza Ghalib <***@gmx.com> posted:
>>>>>> . . .
>>>>>> . . . In today's India it just $4000,
>>>>>> and buys just a little more than what it would in the
>>>>>> USA. You know what $4000 buys in USA. . . .
>>>>>
>>>>> How things have changed over the decades!
>>>>>
>>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>>>>> Om Shanti
>>>>>
>>>>> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Forwarded post from S. D.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sunday, August 14, 2011
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Massive numbers showed in March in US for Anna Hazare in India Day
>>>>>> Parade in New Jersey, USA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> see videos and photos links at the end... please forward to all
> email
>>>>>> lists and post in your blogs and websites.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> it is a great event by all young people in usa.  india's young is
>>>>>> rising and change has to come.  anna's record of service, his
>>>>>> sacrifice,  is catching the imagination of all indians both in india
>>>>>> and abroad.  let us pray and hope the country will turn around.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PRESS RELEASE
>>>>>>
>>>>>> India Against Corruption
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Massive numbers showed in March for Anna Hazare in India Day Parade
>>>>>> at New Jersey, USA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> August 14, 2011. Iselin, NJ.  The Indian Independence Day Parade was
>>>>>> greeted by torrential rain and indomitable spirit of 150 volunteers
>>>>>> of India Against Corruption adorning Anna Topi. Bollywood stars,
>>>>>> Major business groups, Tourism industry, Religions groups,
> Television
>>>>>> channels etc. participate in this parade organized by Indian
> Business
>>>>>> Association, NJ. This New Jersey Independence day parade is a major
>>>>>> annual event that attracts about 10 thousand people for the parade.
>>>>>> The India Against Corruption contingent was the largest group of the
>>>>>> whole parade.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The volunteers braved severe weather and walked for about 2 hours in
>>>>>> the rain. People from all walks of life -- technologists, engineers,
>>>>>> business men, doctors, students etc. joined the parade. Old men,
>>>>>> women, pregnant women, kids as young as 5 years old, walked in the
>>>>>> rain. The volunteers were drenched and cold but their enthusiasm was
>>>>>> not dampened. Flyers were distributed to all the people watching the
>>>>>> parade. A sample poll of about 500 people watching the parade
> tallied
>>>>>> 95% support for Anna Hazare’s movement. Volunteers were carrying
>>>>>> slogans in support of Anna Hazare and Jan Lokpal. Volunteers also
>>>>>> sang "Hum Honge Kam Yaab" in front of the main stage. The spirit was
>>>>>> so contagious that the passers-by joined them too.  Many volunteers
>>>>>> were carrying placards saying -- "I am Anna" in various languages
>>>>>> like Hindi, English, Telugu, Tamil, Marathi etc.  The message also
>>>>>> said "It is not one Anna. We are Thousands". This was to symbolize
>>>>>> the spirit of nationalism that Anna has evoked in common man.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This event was covered by major television channels. The volunteers
>>>>>> in the parade, common people who joined to IAC, were interviewed by
>>>>>> Television and media reporters. Isha, 10 years old was asked by one
>>>>>> of the representative in hindi what this movement was about and she
>>>>>> said that this was about supporting Anna Hazare who was fight
>>>>>> corruption in India.  She also said she supported the movement
> whole-
>>>>>> heartedly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The chants of vande maataram and Jai Hind boomed through the crowd,
>>>>>> echoing the patriotic fervor of the participants. The message of the
>>>>>> parade was to express the greatness of India and to communicate that
>>>>>> the country can be the greatest if we eradicate corruption.  One of
>>>>>> successful local commercial realtor was complementing IAC volunteers
>>>>>> after the parade and said that the economic growth of our country
> was
>>>>>> great but it could be much greater if not for corruption.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One of the slogans in the parade was -- "Anna Hazare -- Desh Tere
>>>>>> saath hai!  Videsh Tere saath hai!!". There are a lot of other
> events
>>>>>> being held across the globe on Aug 14, 2011 to mark the Global
>>>>>> Solidarity Day declared by IAC. The enthusiasm and support shown by
>>>>>> NRIs for India is bound to inspire people in India.  The parade
> ended
>>>>>> with all the volunteers singing the Indian National Anthem drenched
>>>>>> in rain and standing in attention.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This was an event of the common man, by the common man and for the
>>>>>> common man -- a reflection of true democracy, an event in support of
>>>>>> Jan Lokpal bill and Anna Hazare.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Additional Video and Photo links for the event:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> YouTube:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I8WT5CNlbA&feature=autoplay&list=PL37ABA3F39393C492
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pictures:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://picasaweb.google.com/110804064056852150979/2011AugAnna?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCNThkNrniKyFuAE&feat=directlink
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Faith is the bird that feels the light and sings when the dawn is
>>>>>> still dark. - R. Tagore
>>>>>>
>>>>>> End of forwarded post from S. D.
>>>>>
>>>>> Forwarded message from S. Kalyanaraman
>>>>>
>>>>> Anna Hazare fast and Sonia Govt's counter moves
>>>>>
>>>>> http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com/2011/08/anna-hazare-fast-and-sonia-govts.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Anna Hazare fast and Sonia Govt's counter moves
>>>>>
>>>>> Published: August 15, 2011 20:48 IST
>>>>> Updated: August 16, 2011 04:15 IST 
>>>>>
>>>>> Anna Hazare calls for 'jail bharo'
>>>>>
>>>>> Gargi Parsai
>>>>>
>>>>> Social activist Anna Hazare during his visit to Rajghat on Monday on
>>>>> the eve of his hunger strike for a stronger Lokpal Bill. Photo:
>>>>> Sushil Kumar Verma
>>>>>
>>>>> The confrontation between social activist Anna Hazare and the
>>>>> government on the Lokpal Bill took a turn for the worse on Monday
>>>>> with the former giving a call to his supporters to fill jails all
>>>>> over the country if he is arrested on Tuesday.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mr. Hazare was denied permission by the Delhi Police to stage his
>>>>> fast here as his team refused to comply with all 22 conditions they
>>>>> laid.
>>>>>
>>>>> Addressing journalists here after Prime Minister Manmohan Singh
>>>>> criticised him for resorting to a fast as a protest when Parliament
>>>>> was seized of the Lokpal Bill, the anti-corruption crusader said he
>>>>> would go to the JP Park, the venue of his fast, even though the
>>>>> police had imposed prohibitory orders.
>>>>>
>>>>> "I am given to understand that I will be refused permission. We will
>>>>> go there. If I am arrested, I will continue my hunger strike in jail.
>>>>> If I am released, I will go back to the venue and continue the fast.
>>>>> This will go on,'' Mr. Hazare said. He gave a "lights off'' call
>>>>> throughout the country to reflect the "darkness in the hearts of the
>>>>> poor, deprived and dispossessed people.''
>>>>>
>>>>> He said that once he was arrested, people should fill the jails in
>>>>> every village.
>>>>>
>>>>> Accusing the Prime Minister of speaking the same language as his
>>>>> Cabinet colleague Kapil Sibal, Mr. Hazare said he was sure that if a
>>>>> strong Lokpal was created there would be a 60 per cent end to
>>>>> corruption.
>>>>>
>>>>> Before his news conference, the 74-year-old activist made a surprise
>>>>> visit to the Rajghat taking the police unawares. He said he went
>>>>> there for "introspection.''
>>>>>
>>>>> While senior United Progressive Alliance Ministers defended the
>>>>> decision to withhold permission to Mr. Hazare as "necessary,'' the
>>>>> Opposition Bharatiya Janata Party slammed the government for
>>>>> "scuttling all voices of dissent.''
>>>>>
>>>>> CPI (M) leader Brinda Karat said one may or may not agree with Mr.
>>>>> Hazare and his team on the Lokpal Bill but no one can question their
>>>>> right to protest.
>>>>>
>>>>> Activist Arvind Kejriwal said the government's action was
>>>>> "autocratic.''
>>>>>
>>>>> Lawyer Prashant Bhushan said they would move the court on Tuesday
>>>>> against the decision of the Delhi Police.
>>>>>
>>>>> Karnataka Lokayukta Santosh Hegde, who is also a member of the Team
>>>>> Anna's core team, said the government's action showed that it was
>>>>> "nervous."
>>>>>
>>>>> Aruna Roy, Nikhil Dey and Shankar Singh of the Mazdoor Kisan Shakti
>>>>> Sangathan also condemned the refusal of permission to Mr. Hazare.
>>>>>
>>>>> HT Correspondents, Hindustan Times
>>>>>
>>>>> New Delhi, August 15, 2011
>>>>> First Published: 23:26 IST(15/8/2011)
>>>>> Last Updated: 01:25 IST(16/8/2011)
>>>>>
>>>>> Police firm, Anna faces arrest
>>>>>
>>>>> With social activist Anna Hazare and his camp refusing to accept six
>>>>> of the 22 conditions set by the Delhi Police for his fast to press
>>>>> for a lokpal bill drafted by them, his arrest seemed imminent.
>>>>>
>>>>> Late Monday, 50 of Hazare's supporters were detained for gathering at
>>>>> the proposed JP Park venue of the protest for violating prohibitory
>>>>> orders, the police said.
>>>>>
>>>>> A lokpal bill incorporating several suggestions by the Anna Camp is
>>>>> currently in Parliament but the activists said nothing less than a
>>>>> complete acceptance of their version is acceptable. 
>>>>>
>>>>> "We will march to JP Park tomorrow morning and if arrested, I will
>>>>> fast in custody. When I am released, I will go there again to start
>>>>> my fast," Hazare declared at a press conference, dubbed as an
>>>>> "address to the nation".
>>>>>
>>>>> Delhi Police spokesperson Rajan Bhagat said, "We have denied them
>>>>> permission to protest at JP Park. Section 144 that restricts a
>>>>> gathering of people has been imposed at the park and all roads
>>>>> leading to it. If anyone tries to defy the orders, the punishment can
>>>>> vary from preventive custody to arrest."
>>>>>
>>>>> The police told the Anna Camp that their agitation in JP Park near
>>>>> ITO, it couldn't be allowed for more than three days.
>>>>>
>>>>> When the Anna Camp insisted on permission for an indefinite period,
>>>>> the police offered a venue in Burari on the outskirts of the city,
>>>>> which Hazare turned down.
>>>>>
>>>>> All other conditions set for the agitation are common to gatherings
>>>>> in the city and guided by various court orders.
>>>>>
>>>>> Concluding an afternoon filled with drama, Hazare exhorted all
>>>>> Indians to join him in jail as he could be arrested.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Lakhs of people will rise in my support in villages across India,
>>>>> and there will be a jail bharo (fill prisons) agitation." Describing
>>>>> the country's independence as fake and inadequate, Hazare said its
>>>>> time for a "second independence struggle".
>>>>>
>>>>> Hazare earlier visited Rajghat, the resting place of Mahatma Gandhi,
>>>>> for a "meditation".
>>>>>
>>>>> At a press conference later, Hazare thanked the media for supporting
>>>>> his movement.
>>>>>
>>>>> "The media is the fourth pillar of democracy," he said, adding that
>>>>> he is willing to "fetch water in Kapil Sibal's house" if the lokpal
>>>>> bill suggested by him does not bring down corruption by "60 to 65%".
>>>>>
>>>>> Hazare however said his fight is not restricted to a lokpal but for a
>>>>> systemic transformation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Elaborating, he said, "Eighty percent of Indians earn R20 or less a
>>>>> day. Others are earning several thousands every day," adding that the
>>>>> country is "being run by industrialists.
>>>>>
>>>>> Therefore, what we require is a systemic transformation, not merely a
>>>>> change of government."
>>>>>
>>>>> He said he respected Parliament but asked why "this sacred place has
>>>>> tainted people".
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/Print/733700.aspx
>>>>>
>>>>> Published: August 15, 2011 20:48 IST
>>>>> Updated: August 16, 2011 04:15 IST 
>>>>>
>>>>> Anna Hazare calls for 'jail bharo'
>>>>>
>>>>> Gargi Parsai
>>>>>
>>>>> Social activist Anna Hazare during his visit to Rajghat on Monday on
>>>>> the eve of his hunger strike for a stronger Lokpal Bill. Photo:
>>>>> Sushil Kumar Verma
>>>>>
>>>>> The confrontation between social activist Anna Hazare and the
>>>>> government on the Lokpal Bill took a turn for the worse on Monday
>>>>> with the former giving a call to his supporters to fill jails all
>>>>> over the country if he is arrested on Tuesday.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mr. Hazare was denied permission by the Delhi Police to stage his
>>>>> fast here as his team refused to comply with all 22 conditions they
>>>>> laid.
>>>>>
>>>>> Addressing journalists here after Prime Minister Manmohan Singh
>>>>> criticised him for resorting to a fast as a protest when Parliament
>>>>> was seized of the Lokpal Bill, the anti-corruption crusader said he
>>>>> would go to the JP Park, the venue of his fast, even though the
>>>>> police had imposed prohibitory orders.
>>>>>
>>>>> "I am given to understand that I will be refused permission. We will
>>>>> go there. If I am arrested, I will continue my hunger strike in jail.
>>>>> If I am released, I will go back to the venue and continue the fast.
>>>>> This will go on,'' Mr. Hazare said. He gave a "lights off'' call
>>>>> throughout the country to reflect the "darkness in the hearts of the
>>>>> poor, deprived and dispossessed people.''
>>>>>
>>>>> He said that once he was arrested, people should fill the jails in
>>>>> every village.
>>>>>
>>>>> Accusing the Prime Minister of speaking the same language as his
>>>>> Cabinet colleague Kapil Sibal, Mr. Hazare said he was sure that if a
>>>>> strong Lokpal was created there would be a 60 per cent end to
>>>>> corruption.
>>>>>
>>>>> Before his news conference, the 74-year-old activist made a surprise
>>>>> visit to the Rajghat taking the police unawares. He said he went
>>>>> there for "introspection.''
>>>>>
>>>>> While senior United Progressive Alliance Ministers defended the
>>>>> decision to withhold permission to Mr. Hazare as "necessary,'' the
>>>>> Opposition Bharatiya Janata Party slammed the government for
>>>>> "scuttling all voices of dissent.''
>>>>>
>>>>> CPI (M) leader Brinda Karat said one may or may not agree with Mr.
>>>>> Hazare and his team on the Lokpal Bill but no one can question their
>>>>> right to protest.
>>>>>
>>>>> Activist Arvind Kejriwal said the government's action was
>>>>> "autocratic.''
>>>>>
>>>>> Lawyer Prashant Bhushan said they would move the court on Tuesday
>>>>> against the decision of the Delhi Police.
>>>>>
>>>>> Karnataka Lokayukta Santosh Hegde, who is also a member of the Team
>>>>> Anna's core team, said the government's action showed that it was
>>>>> "nervous."
>>>>>
>>>>> Aruna Roy, Nikhil Dey and Shankar Singh of the Mazdoor Kisan Shakti
>>>>> Sangathan also condemned the refusal of permission to Mr. Hazare.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article2359459.ece?homepage=true
>>>>>
>>>>> India against corruption: PM holds huddle leaving out key Sonia aides
>>>>>
>>>>> TNN
>>>>> Aug 16, 2011, 02.47AM IST
>>>>>
>>>>> Indraprasth aka New Delhi - Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Monday
>>>>> seemed to be taking charge of Congress's counter-offensive against
>>>>> Anna Hazare by holding a huddle with senior party leaders, including
>>>>> Rahul Gandhi and finance minister Pranab Mukherjee. 
>>>>>
>>>>> The rare initiative came just after the flag-hoisting ceremony at
>>>>> Congress headquarters, and was at variance with the perception that
>>>>> Singh, with the exception of his insistence on pushing the Indo-US
>>>>> nuclear deal through, has been content following the party's lead. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Information and broadcasting minister Ambika Soni and general
>>>>> secretary Janardan Dwivedi were part of the deliberations which,
>>>>> among other things, focused on assessing how the confrontation with
>>>>> civil society might play out in the media. 
>>>>>
>>>>> The unusual display of leadership on a political issue came against
>>>>> the backdrop of the assessment in Congress about the divide between
>>>>> PMO and party brass on how to tackle the challenge from Anna's camp. 
>>>>>
>>>>> The remarkable feature of the impromptu conclave was the exclusion of
>>>>> two of Sonia Gandhi's most trusted aides - defence minister A K
>>>>> Antony and the Congress chief's political secretary Ahmed Patel. Both
>>>>> Antony and Patel were present at the AICC when Singh started the
>>>>> consultations. The duo could not get out of the premises because of
>>>>> the security bandobast SPG had put in place for the PM and had to
>>>>> wait in social justice minister Mukul Wasnik's room till Singh and
>>>>> his chosen few ended the deliberations. 
>>>>>
>>>>> The composition of what was instantly termed the PM's own "core
>>>>> group" stunned AICC watchers. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Antony is a member of the elite bodies - Cabinet committees on
>>>>> political affairs, and security. Significantly, his name featured on
>>>>> the top of the 'group of four' named by Sonia to look after
>>>>> organizational affairs in her absence. 
>>>>>
>>>>> The PM's initiative is significant against the growing backdrop of
>>>>> growing perception in AICC circles about a disconnect between the PMO
>>>>> and Congress leadership on how to deal with Anna's campaign.
>>>>> Ministers like Kapil Sibal, who are considered to be advising the PM,
>>>>> are for an aggressive response, whereas significant sections in the
>>>>> party favour a politically calibrated approach. 
>>>>>
>>>>> There are misgivings in the party over the frontal assault party
>>>>> spokesperson Manish Tewari was instructed to launch on the Gandhian.
>>>>> Although party circles acknowledge that the provocation came from the
>>>>> Anna group, they feel the party should have refrained from targeting
>>>>> Anna personally. As against this, elements in the government are
>>>>> against holding fire in the hostilities with civil society. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Amid a sense of puzzlement in the Congress over the aggression on
>>>>> Saturday, senior party sources stressed that they don't favour
>>>>> personal attacks. "Hazare has made unwarranted attacks on Congress
>>>>> instead of focusing on government and others. However, we will not
>>>>> stoop to that level and let incivility mar our response," a senior
>>>>> party office-bearer said.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/PM-holds-huddle-on-Anna-campaign-leaving-out-key-Sonia-aides/articleshow/9617001.cms
>>>>>
>>>>> India against corruption: 50 supporters of Hazare detained at fast
>>>>> venue
>>>>>
>>>>> PTI
>>>>> Aug 16, 2011, 12.09AM IST
>>>>>
>>>>> Indraprasth aka New Delhi - At least 50 supporters of Anna Hazare
>>>>> were tonight detained by Delhi police at Jai Prakash Narain Park, the
>>>>> venue of the anti-graft crusader's planned fast from tomorrow, for
>>>>> defying prohibitory orders clamped in the area. 
>>>>>
>>>>> The supporters of the Gandhian were taken in a police bus to a nearby
>>>>> police station, police said. Hazare has been denied permission by
>>>>> Delhi police to hold his fast at JPN park. 
>>>>>
>>>>> They had gathered ahead of Hazare's fast for a strong Lokpal bill to
>>>>> express solidarity with him. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Delhi Police spokesperson Rajan Bhagat said prohibitory orders under
>>>>> Section 144 CrPC in some areas of Daryaganj and IP police stations in
>>>>> Central Delhi, which include Jai Prakash Narain Park and Shaheed
>>>>> Park, were clamped this evening. The section prohibits the assembly
>>>>> of five or more people in one place. 
>>>>>
>>>>> The areas where prohibitory orders have been imposed include
>>>>> Shantivan to Rajghat, Rajghat to Jawahar Lal Nehru Marg, Aruna Asaf
>>>>> Ali Marg to JLN Marg, Delhi Gate to Tilak Marg on Bahadurshah Zafar
>>>>> Marg. 
>>>>>
>>>>> The orders came following police denying permission to Hazare to hold
>>>>> the protest at the park after organisers refused to give an
>>>>> undertaking restricting the number of protest days to three and
>>>>> protestors to 5,000. 
>>>>>
>>>>> A large contingent of police, including women personnel, have been
>>>>> deployed around JPN Park to ensure that no untoward incident takes
>>>>> place. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Delhi Police meanwhile sought the services of two magistrates from
>>>>> the city government. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Sources said Delhi Police have requested principal secretary (home)
>>>>> of the city government to provide them with two magistrates whose
>>>>> services might be required to handle the law and order situation
>>>>> during the proposed protest. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Top officials also reviewed the situation at Police Headquarters. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Union Home Secretary RK Singh held a meeting with Delhi Police
>>>>> Commissioner BK Gupta and other senior officials at the Police
>>>>> Headquarters here to take stock of the measures taken by the force to
>>>>> tackle any untoward situation.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/India-against-corruption-50-supporters-of-Hazare-detained-at-fast-venue/articleshow/9615987.cms
>>>>>
>>>>> Delhi Police plans 'Gandhigiri'
>>>>>
>>>>> By Pramod Kumar Singh
>>>>> The Pioneer
>>>>> Tuesday, August 16, 2011
>>>>>
>>>>> Unarmed, but ready to put the Gandhian and supporters behind bars 
>>>>>
>>>>> Indraprasth aka New Delhi - With Anna Hazare and his colleagues being
>>>>> denied permission for their proposed fast at Jai Prakash Narayan
>>>>> Park, battle lines have been drawn. However, the Delhi Police plans
>>>>> to score brownie points with the people by adopting 'Gandhian
>>>>> methods' of maintaining law and order. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Anna and his supporters will be taken into custody by the Delhi
>>>>> Police if they try to enter Jai Prakash Narayan Park on Tuesday
>>>>> morning. However, senior Delhi Police officials said that officers of
>>>>> Delhi Police detailed for the duty would be unarmed and maximum
>>>>> restraint would be exercised in dealing with the situation.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, it is unlikely that this will be the only line of deployment
>>>>> for disallowing protests by Hazare and his group. The Delhi Police
>>>>> has already deployed a large number of moveable barricades in Central
>>>>> and New Delhi districts to prevent Anna and his supporters from going
>>>>> to the announced place. The anti-riot first battalion of the armed
>>>>> police would be on standby. "However, the police manning the
>>>>> barricades would all be unarmed and request protesters not to move
>>>>> further," informed a Delhi Police officer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Special Branch of the Delhi Police has reported that those coming to
>>>>> JP Park are expected to be peaceful and there was little likelihood
>>>>> of violence. But the situation could change if Anna and his
>>>>> supporters decided to move to any other venue and needed protection,
>>>>> a senior Delhi Police official said.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Delhi Police have chalked out an elaborate plan after Union Home
>>>>> Secretary RK Singh visited the Delhi Police Headquarters on Monday
>>>>> afternoon to review the situation as a showdown between the Team Anna
>>>>> and the police appears inevitable. Intelligence wing of the Delhi
>>>>> Police has cautioned the Central and New Delhi district police that
>>>>> Anna and his supporters could spring a last minute surprise and could
>>>>> go either to Rajghat or Jantar Mantar or even to 10 Janpath, the
>>>>> residence of Congress president Sonia Gandhi. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Delhi Police officers said that they could very well block entry to
>>>>> all these places if the situation so demanded and any attempt to
>>>>> breach the police cordon would be "dealt in a firm albeit peaceful
>>>>> manner."
>>>>>
>>>>> "Since Section 144 has been imposed in Central district, no assembly
>>>>> of people would be allowed near the park," the official added. 
>>>>>
>>>>> The imposition of section 144 would mean that protests at the nearby
>>>>> Ramlila Maidan and Rajghat would also not be allowed. Sources said
>>>>> that Union Home Secretary asked Delhi Police Commissioner BK Gupta to
>>>>> be careful while planning security arrangements and handle Tuesday
>>>>> protest with minimum use of force. 
>>>>>
>>>>> "The Delhi Police has taken several measures to avoid a Ramlila
>>>>> Maidan like situation," the official added. The Delhi Police used a
>>>>> heavy hand to evict the supporters of Baba Ramdev in June after the
>>>>> negotiations between the Government and the Yog Guru failed to reach
>>>>> conclusion.
>>>>>
>>>>> In a significant development, the Delhi Government has permitted the
>>>>> Delhi Police to use Chhatrasal Stadium as a makeshift jail to house
>>>>> Anna Hazare and his supporters after they are arrested. The Delhi
>>>>> Police has requested the Delhi Government to provide either
>>>>> Chhatrasal stadium or the State Guest House 33 Shamnath Marg on
>>>>> Alipur Road for using it as temporary jail. Chief Secretary PK
>>>>> Tripathi, Home Principal Secretary Arvind Ray and DG Prisons Neeraj
>>>>> Kumar were present in the meeting.
>>>>>
>>>>> Meanwhile, when asked why permission was denied to Anna Hazare in the
>>>>> first place, Joint Commissioner of Police, Northern Range, Sudhir
>>>>> Yadav told The Pioneer, "The Supreme Court has very clearly set
>>>>> guidelines about such type of fasts and sit-ins. They refused to
>>>>> comply with our six major conditions out of 22, the permission was
>>>>> accordingly denied. Now any move to hold a protest near JP Park will
>>>>> be dealt according to the provisions of law." When asked whether the
>>>>> Delhi Police could go for preventive arrests to prevent Anna and his
>>>>> supporters from going to JP Park, the Joint CP replied in negative.
>>>>> He said, "There is no need as the Delhi Police was capable of
>>>>> handling any situation that may emerge on Tuesday morning. Central
>>>>> district police has requisitioned buses to move Anna and his
>>>>> supporters in the event of them being detained for violating
>>>>> prohibitory orders." 
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.dailypioneer.com/361100/Delhi-Police-plans-Gandhigiri.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Anna Hazare to begin fast today, people across India switch off
>>>>> lights in support
>>>>>
>>>>> ITGD Bureau
>>>>> August 15, 2011 - 19:04
>>>>>
>>>>> Anna Hazare addresses media in New Delhi on Monday.
>>>>>
>>>>> Indraprasth aka New Delhi - Anna Hazare is all set for a full blown
>>>>> confrontation with the government on the Lokpal Bill, giving a call
>>>>> to his supporters to fill up jails all over the country if he is
>>>>> arrested on Tuesday after he was denied permission to hold indefinite
>>>>> fast in the national capital.
>>>>>
>>>>> Addressing a press conference after Prime Minister Manmohan Singh
>>>>> slammed him for resorting to fast as a protest when Parliament was
>>>>> seized of the Lokpal bill, the Gandhian said he will go to J P park
>>>>> on Tuesday, the venue of his fast even though Delhi police has
>>>>> imposed prohibitory orders.
>>>>>
>>>>> "My mission begins tomorrow, we have a long fight ahead," Hazare
>>>>> said.
>>>>>
>>>>> "I come to understand that I will be refused permission. We will go
>>>>> there. If I am arrested, I will continue my hunger strike in the
>>>>> jail. If I am released, I will go back to the venue and this circle
>>>>> will continue," he said at a 30-minute press conference that came to
>>>>> an end to coincide with his "lights-off" call throughout the country
>>>>> from 8 pm.
>>>>>
>>>>> He said once he is arrested, people should fill up the jails in every
>>>>> village across the country. "Going to jail for the country is no
>>>>> crime...It is a decoration," he said.
>>>>>
>>>>> He accused the Prime Minister of "speaking" the language of his
>>>>> ministerial colleague Kapil Sibal saying that the Lokpal bill was
>>>>> before Parliament which will take the call.
>>>>>
>>>>> Before his press conference, the 73-year old activist made an
>>>>> unscheduled visit to Rajghat, where he sat in meditation. Soon after
>>>>> the news of his being at the Gandhi Samadhi, hundreds of supporters
>>>>> gathered around him.
>>>>>
>>>>> Earlier in the day, Delhi Police refused permission to Gandhian and
>>>>> his supporters saying that team Hazare have refused to give an
>>>>> undertaking on restricting the number of days of protest and
>>>>> protesters besides four other conditions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sudhir Yadav, Joint Commissioner of Police (Northern Range), said
>>>>> anybody assembling at the Park on Tuesday would face legal action.
>>>>>
>>>>> "We have denied the permission. Nobody is supposed to come to the
>>>>> park. If somebody comes there, it is unlawful. They will be handled
>>>>> according to law. If they do that, it is violation of law," Yadav
>>>>> said as police prepared to lock down the grounds.
>>>>>
>>>>> Union Home Secretary R K Singh reviewed the situation with Delhi
>>>>> Police Commissioner B K Gupta and other top officials at the police
>>>>> headquarters.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hazare's protest on Tuesday is in pursuit of his campaign for a
>>>>> strong Lokpal that will have under its ambit Prime Minister, higher
>>>>> judiciary, conduct of MPs in Parliament and other provisions. The
>>>>> bill introduced in Parliament excludes these institutions.
>>>>>
>>>>> In his speech at the Red Fort on Monday morning, the Prime Minister
>>>>> decried Hazare going on fast and said Parliament alone will decide on
>>>>> Lokpal and those having grievances should approach Parliamentary
>>>>> Committees for airing their views.
>>>>>
>>>>> At his press conference, Hazare said corruption has crossed all
>>>>> limits and is all pervasive in various sectors, including education
>>>>> and jobs.
>>>>>
>>>>> He said even after Jan Lokpal is passed, there is no guarantee that
>>>>> corruption will be eliminated 100 per cent but he was confident that
>>>>> it would end at least up to 60-65 per cent. "If it does not happen, I
>>>>> am ready to serve water at Kapil Sibal's house," he said.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hazare said the fight against corruption has just begin and will not
>>>>> stop even if Lokpal bill passed. The struggle for the change will
>>>>> continue and it is a long battle, he said.
>>>>>
>>>>> "It is now a fight to the finish," he said, adding they were not for
>>>>> pulling down the government but if falls in the process, they don't
>>>>> care.
>>>>>
>>>>> He also said his protest will be non-violent because non-violence was
>>>>> a powerful weapon.
>>>>>
>>>>> Referring to the Prime Minister's remarks that the Lokpal bill was
>>>>> before Parliament, he said "We have to accept Parliament. We have
>>>>> trust in Parliament but the bill that has gone before it is not
>>>>> proper."
>>>>>
>>>>> The activist said the provisions like appointment and removal of
>>>>> Lokpal were serious issues on which government made promises but
>>>>> suddenly it changed its stand and "betrayed us".
>>>>>
>>>>> Speaking about repeated assertions from the government's side that he
>>>>> was undermining democracy, he said, "Don't we know democracy? Is
>>>>> democracy only wining elections after spending money. Four MPs are in
>>>>> jail and there are charges against nearly 150 others."
>>>>>
>>>>> Hazare said government was working only for big industrialists
>>>>> acquiring lands from farmers and was not working for the poor.
>>>>>
>>>>> - With PTI inputs
>>>>>
>>>>> http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/story/lokpal-bill-anna-hazare-addresses-media/1/148140.html
>>>>>
>>>>> S. Kalyanaraman
>>>>>
>>>>> https://sites.google.com/site/indianoceancommunity1/
>>>>> http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/3w6ojj6 (Indus Script Cipher)
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/4xguuoh (Rastram: Flipkart in India)
>>>>>
>>>>> End of forwarded message from S. Kalyanaraman
>>>>>
>>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>>>>> Om Shanti

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Hegde confident of public support for Hazare

PTI
The Pioneer
http://www.dailypioneer.com
Sunday, August 21, 2011

Indraprasth aka New Delhi - Contending that corruption can no longer
be ignored and the voice of 'aam-aadmi' should now be heard, former
Karnataka Lokayukta N Santosh Hegde today expressed confidence that
public support for Anna Hazare and his campaign would continue until
his demands are met by the government.

Hegde, also a member of the Lokpal Joint Drafting Committee, said
Hazare is not asking for the chair of Prime Minister or President but
is only fighting against corruption and the need for a strong
legislation to deal with the menace.

"We are confident that we will all stand behind Annaji and his cause
for any number of days. We stand by him until his demands are met,"
the former Supreme Court judge told the large gathering at Ramlila
Maidan, the venue of Hazare's indefinite on Lokpal issue.

"Our leaders keep talking about people of the country being supreme.
But in reality they have become supreme rather than the people.
Public servants have become supreme.... Real independence has not
reached the 'aam aadmi'. His voice must be heard," he said.

Observing that corruption is one of the burning issues, he said,
"Annaji doesn't want the chair of Prime Minister or the chair of
President. He is just fighting for the cause of (eradicating)
corruption. Can anybody say there is no corruption in the country or
can anybody say it can be ignored?" he asked.

Hegde said the country has been waiting for a Lokpal for the past 42
years when the first bill on Lokpal was introduced in Parliament as
no government could get the measure passed.

He said there are many scams other than 2G scam that have not come to
light yet. "The CAG has recently released a report on KG basin. God
knows how many zeros will be there in that scam," he said.

Hegde said around 35 people have launched an indefinite fast in
Bangalore to express solidarity with the Gandhian.

"Day by day, the number of people coming to the fast site in support
of them are increasing by thousands. Yesterday there were at least
25,000 people at the candle light march at Freedom Park," he claimed.

He said there is no "visible" development in rural parts of the
country where many villages lack electricity and primary health
centres.

"I thought I would spend my days at home after retirement. But after
Annaji's call for fight against corruption, I am still working at the
age of 72," he said.

"The consequences may be severe. How much time it takes we should
stand behind Annaji," he told the gathering.

http://dailypioneer.com/362340/Hegde-confident-of-public-support-for-Hazare.html

More at:
http://www.dailypioneer.com

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

> Hazare's fast enters sixth day
>
> PTI
> The Pioneer
> http://www.dailypioneer.com
> Sunday, August 21, 2011
>
> Indraprasth aka New Delhi - Anna Hazare's fast demanding a strong
> Lokpal entered the sixth day today with more and more people pouring
> into his protest venue, extending support to his campaign.
>
> Hazare came to the podium at around 10 AM as supporters started
> pouring into Ramlila Maidan where he launched his protest on Friday
> after coming out of Tihar Jail.
>
> After reaching the podium, Hazare "thanked" people for extending
> whole-hearted support to his campaign against corruption.
>
> "I thank all of you for coming here and supporting the movement," the
> 73-year-old anti-corruption crusader said in a brief comment.
>
> Earlier in the morning, Hazare and his close associates -- Arvind
> Kejriwal, Kiran Bedi, Shanti Bhushan, Manish Sisodia -- held a
> meeting. Activist Medha Patkar was also present.
>
> Although Government and Team Anna yesterday spoke of the need for a
> dialogue on the Lokpal issue, no such channel of communication has
> yet been opened, according to activists.
>
> Prime Minister Manmohan Singh had said yesterday that there was "a
> lot of scope for give and take" and that the government was open to
> "discussion and dialogue".
>
> Kejriwal had later said Team Anna was also ready for talks but asked
> "whom should we meet, where should we meet and when should we meet."
> There were no signs as to which side would take the initiative to
> break the deadlock.
>
> Pandering to the populist mood at Ramlila Grounds where Hazare is
> fasting, his associates Kejriwal, Prashant Bhushan and Kiran Bedi had
> also spoken some tough words like "we cannot trust this government",
> but, at the same time, maintained that the government should come
> forward and start discussions.
>
> Meanwhile, there was no indication of support for Hazare fizzling out
> with time as the second consecutive night of the Gandhian's protest
> witnessed more crowds than the first.
>
> Hazare had launched his protest in Ramlila Maidan on Friday after
> coming out of Tihar Jail.
>
> Scores of protesters stayed back at the spacious grounds throughout
> the night raising impromptu slogans, majority of which were anti-
> government and anti-Congress, singing patriotic songs, bhajans, and
> playing musical instruments like tabla and violin.
>
> More and more people started coming to the protest site in the
> morning as they raised slogans supporting the Gandhian in his fight
> against corruption.
>
> http://dailypioneer.com/362324/Hazares-fast-enters-sixth-day.html
>
> More at:
> http://www.dailypioneer.com
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
>
> > Hazare willing for dialogue, Govt opens back channel talks
> >
> > PTI
> > The Pioneer
> > http://www.dailypioneer.com
> > Monday, August 22, 2011
> >
> > Indraprasth aka New Delhi - Anna Hazare today expressed his
> > willingness to have a dialogue on the Lokpal issue with the
> > Government which has opened a back channel with him through a top
> > Maharashtra bureaucrat and a spiritual leader even as the Gandhian's
> > fast entered the sixth day today.
> >
> > Maharashtra Additional Chief Secretary Umesh Chandra Sarangi, who
> > visited Hazare last night, had a second meeting with the social
> > activist along with Indore-based spiritual leader Baiyujji Maharaj.
> > The spiritual leader is known to several top politicians from
> > Maharashtra.
> >
> > Sarangi has a good rapport with Hazare having handled several such
> > situations in Maharashtra under former Chief Minister Vilasrao
> > Deshmukh when he had either gone on fast or threatened to do so. His
> > meeting was described as "personal" by Team Anna which maintained "no
> > compromise formula" was discussed.
> >
> > A day after Prime Minister Manmohan Singh stated that the Government
> > was open for discussion, 73-year-old Hazare said his campaign against
> > corruption has not closed the door of dialogue with it to resolve the
> > differences on Lokpal bill.
> >
> > "We have not closed the door of dialogue. We have kept it open. Only
> > through dialogue the issues can be resolved," he told thousands of
> > his supporters on a humid day at Ramlila Ground on the sixth day of
> > his fast.
> >
> > Minister of State for Parliamentary Affairs Harish Rawat said the
> > Centre has initiated a dialogue process with Team Anna at various
> > levels to break the deadlock.
> >
> > "The dialogue process has already been initiated at various levels
> > through well-wishers. This dialogue is at various levels which is not
> > parallel to each other but complementary to each other," Rawat told
> > PTI in Dehradun.
> >
> > The core committee of 'India Against Corruption' had a meeting during
> > which its deliberated Prime Minister's readiness to hold discussions.
> > It said no proposal has come from the government so far.
> >
> > "With whom and where should we discuss what," Arvind Kejriwal, a key
> > aide of Hazare, said announcing the five decisions taken at the
> > meeting.
> >
> > Comment:
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> > Anna's open is invitation to danger
> >
> > By vedam on 8/21/2011 5:29:31 PM
> >
> > That is the danger as Muammar Quotaffis who are desecrating the
> > Parliament are thirsting for Anna's blood. Better if Anna sits a bit
> > far away from his open door.
> >
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> >
> >
> http://dailypioneer.com/362331/Hazare-willing-for-dialogue-Govt-opens-back-ch
> a
> > nnel-talks.html
> >
> > More at:
> > http://www.dailypioneer.com
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
> >
> >> Army appreciates Anna job records
> >>
> >> By Kumar Shakti Shekhar
> >> The Pioneer
> >> Sunday, August 21, 2011
> >>
> >> Indraprasth aka New Delhi - In another blow to the Congress, the Army
> >> has praised the service of anti-corruption crusader Anna Hazare in
> >> the force.
> >>
> >> In reply to an RTI query, the Army has said Kisan Baburao Hazare
> >> (popularly known as Hazare) was "honourably discharged" from the
> >> Indian Army on completion of service. It has also clarified that he
> >> neither ever deserted the Indian Army nor was punished. On the
> >> contrary, he got five medals for his service.
> >>
> >> RTI activist Subhash Chandra Agrawal has expressed surprise over the
> >> fact that the Army sent him some replies which he did not even seek.
> >> He has also expressed shock over the correspondence between him and
> >> the Army getting "leaked" to a "third party" (Congress).
> >>
> >> Congress spokesperson Manish Tewari had, on August 14, come down
> >> heavily on Hazare and accused him of preaching transparency but not
> >> replying to the Army's letter to him dated May 27 seeking details of
> >> his contribution to the Army.
> >>
> >> Army Service Corps (ASC) Records (South), Bangalore, in its reply
> >> dated August 3 has said Hazare, after enrolling on April 14, 1963,
> >> completed his training at Aurangabad. His designation, when he joined
> >> the service was a Recruit. He was attested as soldier on November 16,
> >> 1963. He held the rank of Sepoy at the time of leaving the service.
> >>
> >> He was enrolled with terms of engagement of 10 years of colour
> >> service and 10 years of Reserve service. On completion of 10 years of
> >> colour service, he was granted extension of colour service with
> >> effect from April 14, 1973 till his service was required. He was
> >> transferred to reserve establishment on August 4, 1975 and finally
> >> discharged from Reserve Establishment on April 30, 1983.
> >>
> >> "Yes, he was honourably discharged from the Indian Army on completion
> >> of Service. As per records held with this office, he had never
> >> deserted the Indian Army. Following medals were notified: Sainya Seva
> >> Medal with clasp Bengal Assam, nine years' long Service Medal,
> >> Sangram Medal, 25th Independent Anniversary Medal and Pashchimi Star.
> >> No punishment as per service record," said the reply.
> >>
> >> http://dailypioneer.com/362204/Army-appreciates-Anna-job-records.html
> >>
> >> More at:
> >> http://www.dailypioneer.com
> >>
> >> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> >> Om Shanti
> >>
> >>> Forwarded message from S. Kalyanaraman
> >>>
> >>> Anna Hazare announces new revolution for second independence, recalls
> >>> 1942 Quit India movement
> >>>
> http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com/2011/08/postal-stamp-to-commemorate-swami.
> html
> >>>
> >>> Postal stamp to commemorate Swami Vivekananda's birth
> >>>
> >>> Friday August 12, 2011
> >>>
> >>> Postal stamp to commemorate Swami Vivekananda's birth
> >>>
> >>> By Jayagandi Jayaraj 
> >>> Photos by P. Nathan
> >>>
> >>> TO commemorate the 150th birth anniversary of Swami Vivekanand (1863-
> >>> 2013), Ramakrishna Mission Malaysia observed the release of the
> >>> 'Arise, Awake!' postal stamp on Aug 2.
> >>>
> >>> The stamp takes inspiration from the holy man's famous quote "Arise,
> >>> Awake! Stop not till the goal is reached".
> >>>
> >>> Centre president Swami Supriyananda said with the release of the
> >>> stamp by Pos Malaysia, the mission was gearing up to celebrate
> >>> Vivekananda's 150 years in a fit and proper manner appropriate to his
> >>> universally respected stature as a world teacher, thinker, leader,
> >>> prophet, pathfinder and humanity benefactor.
> >>>
> >>> New series: The newly-released stamp.
> >>>
> >>> In line with that, a series of Personality Development programmes for
> >>> youths through Vivekananda's life and message are being planned for
> >>> two years, 2012 and 2013, all over Malaysia.
> >>>
> >>> Supriyananda said the mission had lined up the set of programmes to
> >>> help them with inner confidence and character.
> >>>
> >>> "The half-day free programmes will be starting next month, and they
> >>> will focus on physical, mental and spiritual health. We go to gyms to
> >>> develop the body, and to temples to perform rituals, but a positive
> >>> mentality also needs to be built. When you build character, you have
> >>> everything," he said after the event held at the mission's centre in
> >>> Petaling Jaya.
> >>>
> >>> Also present at the event were Ramakrishna Mission, Belue Math, India
> >>> general secretary Swami Prabhananda, and Toh Puan Uma Sambanthan.
> >>>
> >>>
> http://www.thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?sec=central&file=/2011/8/12/central
> /9261026
> >>>
> >>>
> http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com/2011/08/anna-hazare-announces-new-revoluti
> on.html
> >>>
> >>> Anna Hazare announces new revolution for second independence, recalls
> >>> 1942 Quit India movement
> >>>
> >>> Anna at Ramlila Ground, says fight far from over
> >>>
> >>> Agencies
> >>> 19 Aug 2011, 1414 hrs IST
> >>>
> >>> After spending three days in Tihar Jail, anti-corruption crusader
> >>> Anna Hazare on Friday (August 19) reached the Ramlila Maidan to
> >>> continue his indefinite fast for a strong Jan Lokpal Bill. Addressing
> >>> the massive crowd gathered at the venue, the 74-year-old veteran
> >>> Gandhian urged them to continue the fight for a strong Lokpal Bill. 
> >>>
> >>> Anna Hazare said, "The fight against corruption will continue whether
> >>> I am alive or not. We must not give up our fight for a strong Lokpal
> >>> Bill. We will not vacate this ground till the Jan Lokpal Bill comes
> >>> into effect."
> >>>
> >>> In a massive show of support, a sea of humanity followed the civil
> >>> society leader on the streets of Delhi as he made his way to the
> >>> Ramlila Ground to hold his fast. The moment Anna Hazare emerged out
> >>> of the Tihar Jail after spending three days there, thousands who were
> >>> camping outside the high profile prison welcomed him by cheering
> >>> loudly and chanting slogans. 
> >>>
> >>> On route to Ramlila Maidan, Anna visited Rajghat, samadhi of Mahatma
> >>> Gandhi. Hazare supporters accompanied the procession waving the tri-
> >>> colour while he accepted greetings from people gathered on either
> >>> side of the road in West Delhi. The improvised vehicle had a huge
> >>> umbrella to protect Hazare and his close aides from the pounding
> >>> rain. Apart from walking along with Hazare's vehicle, the supporters
> >>> followed him on bikes, jeeps and cars.
> >>>
> >>> The procession affected vehicular traffic in and around the Tihar
> >>> prison premises including in Janakpuri, Mayapuri and Hari Nagar in
> >>> West Delhi. 
> >>>
> >>> The tireless Hazare was greeted by the supporters with garlands and
> >>> bouquets at various intersections en-route his procession which was
> >>> marked by chants of 'Anna' and "Vande Mataram". 
> >>>
> >>> Children, housewives and others were seen standing on their balconies
> >>> and rooftops to have a glimpse of Hazare and the procession.
> >>> Protesters expressed happiness over the 74-year-old Gandhian's
> >>> decision to come out from the prison complex following rounds of
> >>> negotiations with the police and authorities to decide on agitation
> >>> venue to undertake hunger strike. 
> >>>
> >>> Hazare had planned to begin his fast for a stronger Lokpal Bill at
> >>> the J.P. Park in the ITO area Tuesday. 
> >>>
> >>> Delhi Police imposed certain conditions before the protest could be
> >>> allowed. Hazare however refused to agree, after which the police
> >>> detained him and his associates Tuesday. 
> >>>
> >>> He was sent to Tihar and was subsequently released Tuesday night, but
> >>> he refused to leave the jail until allowed to carry on the fast
> >>> without any conditions. 
> >>>
> >>> Hazare has been demanding the government to bring the prime minister,
> >>> higher judiciary and the conduct of MPs inside parliament within the
> >>> ambit of the Lokpal (ombudsman).
> >>>
> >>>
> http://www.timesnow.tv/Anna-at-Ramlila-Ground-says-fight-far-from-over/articl
> eshow/4381710.cms
> >>>
> >>>
> http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com/2011/08/its-middle-class-stupid-swagato-ga
> nguly.html
> >>>
> >>>
> http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com/2011/08/pc-should-quit-over-anna-arrest-sa
> ys.html
> >>>
> >>> PC should quit over Anna arrest, says Swamy
> >>>
> >>> Express News Service , The New Indian Express
> >>> Posted on Aug 19, 2011 at 09:41am IST
> >>>
> >>> Chennai: Janata Party president Subramanian Swamy on Thursday
> >>> demanded resignation of Union Home Minister P Chidambaram over the
> >>> "illegal" arrest of anti-corruption crusader Anna Hazare.
> >>>
> >>> "The arrest of Hazare is not a collective responsibility of the
> >>> Cabinet. Law and Order is the sole responsibility of the Home
> >>> Minister and he should take responsibility and put in his papers,"
> >>> said Swamy. The treatment meted out to a respected person like Anna
> >>> Hazare has spoiled the reputation of the country, he said. "The
> >>> government owes an apology to Hazare. As part of the atonement,
> >>> Chidambaram should be removed," he said.
> >>>
> >>> Swamy also demanded immediate dissolution of the Lok Sabha and
> >>> holding of a mid-term poll over the "illegal arrest" of Anna Hazare
> >>> and his colleagues.
> >>>
> >>> Swamy, the brain behind 2G spectrum case, said he would seek
> >>> Chidambaram be named as a co-accused in the case along with former
> >>> telecom minister A Raja during the court hearing on August 24.
> >>> Interestingly, Swamy's statement comes close on the heels of Raja's
> >>> demand that Chidambaram be made a witness. Raja had told court that
> >>> Chidambaram, who was Finance Minister when the spectrum allocation
> >>> took place, "cleared the sale of equity in Swan and Unitech, so he is
> >>> bound to come to court as a witness".
> >>>
> >>> To a query over National Minority Commission's decision to serve
> >>> notice on him over his article in a newspaper, Swamy said he is yet
> >>> to receive such a notice.
> >>>
> >>>
> http://ibnlive.in.com/news/pc-should-quit-over-anna-arrest-says-swamy/176793-
> 60-118.html
> >>>
> >>> It's the middle class, stupid - Swagato Ganguly
> >>>
> >>> It's the middle class, stupid
> >>>
> >>> Swagato Ganguly
> >>> August 19, 2011, 12.00 a.m. IST
> >>>
> >>> Nobody within the government saw it coming. The middle class has
> >>> risen massively in support of Anna Hazare, upsetting the government's
> >>> calculations about being able to manage the anti-corruption movement
> >>> easily. In doing so, the middle class has upended the received wisdom
> >>> that it is politically apathetic. 
> >>>
> >>> Some element of that received wisdom must have played its part in the
> >>> government's assessment that the Hazare group was just an
> >>> unrepresentative bunch of civil society activists who would be easily
> >>> browbeaten. That assessment has proven spectacularly wrong, with the
> >>> government having to eat humble pie on the very day he was arrested.
> >>> It's clear by now that Hazare's arrest was the spark that lit a
> >>> prairie fire of protests across the country. 
> >>>
> >>> The middle class has stamped its character on those protests in many
> >>> ways, not limited to the goodly number of professionals, white-collar
> >>> workers, housewives and college students hitting the streets in
> >>> support of Anna. The protests are novel in that they have been
> >>> remarkably disciplined and peaceful wherever they have been staged -
> >>> as opposed to the rioting, stone-throwing, brick-batting, arson,
> >>> prolonged public bandhs and damage to property that are the norm for
> >>> political protests in India. 
> >>>
> >>> Moreover, instead of being relayed through caste, clan and kinship
> >>> networks or routed through political parties, the organisers have
> >>> used modern forms of communication - such as text messages, Twitter
> >>> and Facebook - or relied on secular civic organisations to quickly
> >>> assemble large crowds. And there's no denying the role that
> >>> saturation television coverage has played in transmitting their
> >>> message. 
> >>>
> >>> That has caused some commentators to glibly conclude that the
> >>> protests are a superficial TV phenomenon that will die down when the
> >>> TV cameras go away. But the point about 24x7 news coverage is that
> >>> the TV cameras never go away. In that sense, we live in an inherently
> >>> tele-visual society; this has played a role in seminal events in
> >>> history. The fall of the Berlin Wall, for instance, has been
> >>> attributed partly to the beaming of West German TV images into East
> >>> German homes, allowing people in the communist half a glimpse into
> >>> life in West Germany. 
> >>>
> >>> For many of those who have hit the streets, it isn't really about the
> >>> merits or demerits of the Jan Lokpal over the Lokpal Bill, of which
> >>> they have only a hazy idea. Rather, the Lokpal debate is merely a
> >>> trigger for the sense of inchoate rage they feel at a political
> >>> system which displays contempt for their priorities. It's not
> >>> divorced, for example, from their response to the outrageous loot of
> >>> Commonwealth Games coffers, or to the fact that 76 MPs in the current
> >>> Lok Sabha - 14% of its total strength - stand accused of not ordinary
> >>> but serious crimes such as murder, kidnapping, extortion, rape. 
> >>>
> >>> For politicians of the old order (and professional pols belong mostly
> >>> to the old order), only the two ends of the social spectrum matter.
> >>> While moneyed elites can bring in the moolah, the poor masses have
> >>> the votes. The middle classes don't figure in this equation. On the
> >>> other hand, when a middle-class person looks at the taxes deducted
> >>> from his hard-earned salary, he's liable to ask what the government
> >>> is doing with his taxes. That's a basis of democratic politics
> >>> everywhere, but given shoddy governance standards in India the
> >>> answers - or more accurately the lack of answers - are likely to
> >>> enrage him. Taken in its widest sense, the theme of corruption is
> >>> just a metaphorical way of broaching the question - what are you
> >>> doing with my money? 
> >>>
> >>> It's here that India has arrived at an inflexion point. The middle
> >>> class (defined as those with monthly household income between Rs
> >>> 20,000 and Rs 100,000) has exploded in numbers from 25 million in
> >>> 1996 to 160 million currently. By 2015, it's expected to hit 267
> >>> million. That makes it a significant proportion of the electorate, a
> >>> 'vote bank' politicians can no longer afford to overlook. Moreover,
> >>> this rapid rise in numbers indicates a shift in the balance of power
> >>> within the middle class itself. The 'new' middle class - which owes
> >>> nothing to state employment - is eclipsing the 'old' middle class
> >>> that was a creation of the pre-liberalisation Nehruvian state. 
> >>>
> >>> The old middle class is less likely to question the state, since it
> >>> is dependent for employment, professional life and pensions on the
> >>> state. Moreover, its symbolic economy and world view are convergent
> >>> with that of the state itself, and therefore its needs are better
> >>> taken care of. It is the new middle class that has reason to feel
> >>> disconnected. And it will count more and more as a strategic factor
> >>> in Indian politics. 
> >>>
> >>> Anna Hazare is just a catalyst who happens to chime with the middle-
> >>> class mood today. But the arrival of the new middle class is a more
> >>> lasting phenomenon than Hazare himself. Just like the TV cameras,
> >>> this middle class is not going to go away. Smart politicians had
> >>> better hone their strategies to co-opt middle-class rage. They ignore
> >>> it at their peril.
> >>>
> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/opinion/edit-page/Its-the-middle-clas
> s-stupid/articleshow/9651012.cms
> >>>
> >>> S. Kalyanaraman
> >>>
> >>> https://sites.google.com/site/indianoceancommunity1/
> >>> http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com
> >>> http://tinyurl.com/3w6ojj6 (Indus Script Cipher)
> >>> http://tinyurl.com/4xguuoh (Rastram: Flipkart in India)
> >>>
> >>> End of forwarded message from S. Kalyanaraman
> >>>
> >>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> >>> Om Shanti
> >>>
> >>>> Congress's mismanaged mess
> >>>>
> >>>> By Kalyani Shankar
> >>>> Op-Ed
> >>>> The Pioneer
> >>>> http://www.dailypioneer.com
> >>>> Friday, August 19, 2011
> >>>>
> >>>> The only reason why Anna Hazare, who till recently was unknown
> >>>> outside Maharashtra, has attained the status of a national hero is
> >>>> because the UPA Government has repeatedly mishandled his agitation
> >>>>
> >>>> If anyone is to be blamed for the sudden larger-than-life persona of
> >>>> civil society leader Anna Hazare, it is the Government for it allowed
> >>>> him to assume such a role. Four months ago, Anna Hazare did not even
> >>>> have a fraction of the popularity he enjoys today. In fact, he was
> >>>> barely known outside of Maharashtra. He also had no Team Anna.
> >>>>
> >>>> But then, Anna Hazare seized the issue of ‘aam admi' based on which
> >>>> the Congress had come to power in 2004 and again in 2009. This made
> >>>> it difficult for the Congress as it could be seen fighting anyone but
> >>>> simply not the aam admi.
> >>>>
> >>>> However, the defining moment of Anna Hazare's movement was the day he
> >>>> was arrested and sent to jail. At that moment, the fight moved from
> >>>> the Lokpal Bill to the citizen's right to protest which gathered him
> >>>> enormous support. The one telling picture of Anna Hazare meditating
> >>>> in Rajghat also added to his cause. That is when his popularity
> >>>> increased manifold and he became a larger than life persona.
> >>>>
> >>>> Of course, the electronic media also built him overnight as one
> >>>> comparable to Mahatma Gandhi and Jayaprakash Narayan, and his
> >>>> movement against corruption is now likened to freedom struggle of
> >>>> yesteryears.
> >>>>
> >>>> So the question is could his arrest have been avoided? The answer to
> >>>> that is yes. The Government could have handled Anna Hazare case with
> >>>> more sensitivity. If his arrest was a surprise, his release too has
> >>>> raised many eyebrows. Many would think that now if the genie is out
> >>>> of the bottle, it cannot be put back.
> >>>>
> >>>> But arresting Anna Hazare was not the first mistake the Government
> >>>> had committed. Starting from April when Anna Hazare was fasting at
> >>>> Jantar Mantar, the Government had committed a series of one faux pas,
> >>>> one after the other.
> >>>>
> >>>> First, the Government gave him legitimacy when he initially started
> >>>> talking about corruption. As the NDA convenor Sharad Yadav pointed
> >>>> out that while the Opposition had been discussing corruption and
> >>>> price rise, the Government gave Anna Hazare credibility by
> >>>> negotiating with him and his team. The Prime Minister met him, Ms
> >>>> Sonia Gandhi appealed to him to not go on a fast and finally, the
> >>>> Government in a knee-jerk reaction invited Team Anna to participate
> >>>> in the joint drafting committee on the Lokpal Bill. The Government in
> >>>> fact went all out to engage the Team Anna.
> >>>>
> >>>> The next mistake was not handling the whole thing as a political
> >>>> issue but treating it as a legal issue instead. Political problems
> >>>> have to be dealt with political tact. But the Ministers in charge
> >>>> only talked in legal terms while Team Anna went ahead and mobilised
> >>>> public support. Then, when the Government tried to project Team Anna
> >>>> as one that was dictating terms to Parliament, the Opposition saw it
> >>>> fit to side with Team Anna in both Houses of Parliament. By now to
> >>>> the dismay of the Government, the focus had shifted from the Lokpal
> >>>> Bill to that of a citizen's right to protest peacefully. The
> >>>> Opposition had also united in blaming the treasury benches for
> >>>> mishandling the Anna Hazare issue.
> >>>>
> >>>> The Government's third mistake was its failure to communicate to the
> >>>> public the rationale behind its decision to arrest Anna Hazare and
> >>>> his aides. This was despite the fact that a high profile group of
> >>>> Ministers had been put in charge. Team Anna, on the other hand, was
> >>>> not only media-savvy but also use the latest information technology
> >>>> including Twitter and Facebook to gain public sympathy. They even
> >>>> smartly recorded Anna Hazare's message on Youtube, even before he was
> >>>> arrested and televised the message as soon as he was taken into
> >>>> custody. In fact, the team has won the media war to a large extent
> >>>> for its ability to anticipate future events.
> >>>>
> >>>> The Government's fourth mistake was perhaps to ‘realise' that Anna
> >>>> Hazare was corrupt much after it had engaged Team Anna and involved
> >>>> it in the drafting of the Lokpal Bill. They dug out the old 2003
> >>>> Justice Sawant report that alleged that Anna Hazare was corrupt. This
> >>>> personal vilification of Anna Hazare backfired to a large extent with
> >>>> the result that Mr Rahul Gandhi had to step in and make sure that
> >>>> there were no more personal attack on Team Anna. The fifth mistake
> >>>> was that after arresting Anna Hazare, the Government could have
> >>>> released him instead of allowing him seek bail. Since Anna Hazare
> >>>> refused to seek bail, he had to be lodged in Tihar Jail along with
> >>>> Suresh Kalmadi and A Raja. The Government did ultimately release him
> >>>> but if it had done this sooner, then it could have saved face.
> >>>>
> >>>> So, with the Government not willing to yield and Team Anna, goaded on
> >>>> by huge public support, will there be any movement forward? For now,
> >>>> Anna Hazare has won the first two rounds -- first, by finding his
> >>>> team a place on the joint drafting committee and the second round by
> >>>> forcing the Government to release him from jail. The Prime Minister
> >>>> has thrown up his hands saying he has no magical wand but if his
> >>>> Government is serious about tackling corruption, then it has to do
> >>>> better in handling this crisis. It should view this as a golden
> >>>> opportunity to rebuild its corruption-tainted image.
> >>>>
> >>>> http://dailypioneer.com/361766/Congresss-mismanaged-mess.html
> >>>>
> >>>> More at:
> >>>> http://www.dailypioneer.com
> >>>>
> >>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> >>>> Om Shanti
> >>>>
> >>>>> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In article
> >>>> <2b2f5cc4-7e30-49a5-8fbe-***@j1g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Mirza Ghalib <***@gmx.com> posted:
> >>>>>> . . .
> >>>>>> . . . In today's India it just $4000,
> >>>>>> and buys just a little more than what it would in the
> >>>>>> USA. You know what $4000 buys in USA. . . .
> >>>>>
> >>>>> How things have changed over the decades!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> >>>>> Om Shanti
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Forwarded post from S. D.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sunday, August 14, 2011
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Massive numbers showed in March in US for Anna Hazare in India Day
> >>>>>> Parade in New Jersey, USA
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> see videos and photos links at the end... please forward to all
> > email
> >>>>>> lists and post in your blogs and websites.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> it is a great event by all young people in usa.  india's young is
> >>>>>> rising and change has to come.  anna's record of service, his
> >>>>>> sacrifice,  is catching the imagination of all indians both in india
> >>>>>> and abroad.  let us pray and hope the country will turn around.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> PRESS RELEASE
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> India Against Corruption
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Massive numbers showed in March for Anna Hazare in India Day Parade
> >>>>>> at New Jersey, USA
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> August 14, 2011. Iselin, NJ.  The Indian Independence Day Parade was
> >>>>>> greeted by torrential rain and indomitable spirit of 150 volunteers
> >>>>>> of India Against Corruption adorning Anna Topi. Bollywood stars,
> >>>>>> Major business groups, Tourism industry, Religions groups,
> > Television
> >>>>>> channels etc. participate in this parade organized by Indian
> > Business
> >>>>>> Association, NJ. This New Jersey Independence day parade is a major
> >>>>>> annual event that attracts about 10 thousand people for the parade.
> >>>>>> The India Against Corruption contingent was the largest group of the
> >>>>>> whole parade.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The volunteers braved severe weather and walked for about 2 hours in
> >>>>>> the rain. People from all walks of life -- technologists, engineers,
> >>>>>> business men, doctors, students etc. joined the parade. Old men,
> >>>>>> women, pregnant women, kids as young as 5 years old, walked in the
> >>>>>> rain. The volunteers were drenched and cold but their enthusiasm was
> >>>>>> not dampened. Flyers were distributed to all the people watching the
> >>>>>> parade. A sample poll of about 500 people watching the parade
> > tallied
> >>>>>> 95% support for Anna Hazare’s movement. Volunteers were carrying
> >>>>>> slogans in support of Anna Hazare and Jan Lokpal. Volunteers also
> >>>>>> sang "Hum Honge Kam Yaab" in front of the main stage. The spirit was
> >>>>>> so contagious that the passers-by joined them too.  Many volunteers
> >>>>>> were carrying placards saying -- "I am Anna" in various languages
> >>>>>> like Hindi, English, Telugu, Tamil, Marathi etc.  The message also
> >>>>>> said "It is not one Anna. We are Thousands". This was to symbolize
> >>>>>> the spirit of nationalism that Anna has evoked in common man.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> This event was covered by major television channels. The volunteers
> >>>>>> in the parade, common people who joined to IAC, were interviewed by
> >>>>>> Television and media reporters. Isha, 10 years old was asked by one
> >>>>>> of the representative in hindi what this movement was about and she
> >>>>>> said that this was about supporting Anna Hazare who was fight
> >>>>>> corruption in India.  She also said she supported the movement
> > whole-
> >>>>>> heartedly.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The chants of vande maataram and Jai Hind boomed through the crowd,
> >>>>>> echoing the patriotic fervor of the participants. The message of the
> >>>>>> parade was to express the greatness of India and to communicate that
> >>>>>> the country can be the greatest if we eradicate corruption.  One of
> >>>>>> successful local commercial realtor was complementing IAC volunteers
> >>>>>> after the parade and said that the economic growth of our country
> > was
> >>>>>> great but it could be much greater if not for corruption.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> One of the slogans in the parade was -- "Anna Hazare -- Desh Tere
> >>>>>> saath hai!  Videsh Tere saath hai!!". There are a lot of other
> > events
> >>>>>> being held across the globe on Aug 14, 2011 to mark the Global
> >>>>>> Solidarity Day declared by IAC. The enthusiasm and support shown by
> >>>>>> NRIs for India is bound to inspire people in India.  The parade
> > ended
> >>>>>> with all the volunteers singing the Indian National Anthem drenched
> >>>>>> in rain and standing in attention.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> This was an event of the common man, by the common man and for the
> >>>>>> common man -- a reflection of true democracy, an event in support of
> >>>>>> Jan Lokpal bill and Anna Hazare.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Additional Video and Photo links for the event:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> YouTube:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I8WT5CNlbA&feature=autoplay&list=PL37ABA3F393
> 93C492
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Pictures:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/110804064056852150979/2011AugAnna?authuser=0&aut
> hkey=Gv1sRgCNThkNrniKyFuAE&feat=directlink
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Faith is the bird that feels the light and sings when the dawn is
> >>>>>> still dark. - R. Tagore
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> End of forwarded post from S. D.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Forwarded message from S. Kalyanaraman
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Anna Hazare fast and Sonia Govt's counter moves
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com/2011/08/anna-hazare-fast-and-sonia-govts.h
> tml
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Anna Hazare fast and Sonia Govt's counter moves
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Published: August 15, 2011 20:48 IST
> >>>>> Updated: August 16, 2011 04:15 IST 
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Anna Hazare calls for 'jail bharo'
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Gargi Parsai
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Social activist Anna Hazare during his visit to Rajghat on Monday on
> >>>>> the eve of his hunger strike for a stronger Lokpal Bill. Photo:
> >>>>> Sushil Kumar Verma
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The confrontation between social activist Anna Hazare and the
> >>>>> government on the Lokpal Bill took a turn for the worse on Monday
> >>>>> with the former giving a call to his supporters to fill jails all
> >>>>> over the country if he is arrested on Tuesday.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Mr. Hazare was denied permission by the Delhi Police to stage his
> >>>>> fast here as his team refused to comply with all 22 conditions they
> >>>>> laid.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Addressing journalists here after Prime Minister Manmohan Singh
> >>>>> criticised him for resorting to a fast as a protest when Parliament
> >>>>> was seized of the Lokpal Bill, the anti-corruption crusader said he
> >>>>> would go to the JP Park, the venue of his fast, even though the
> >>>>> police had imposed prohibitory orders.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "I am given to understand that I will be refused permission. We will
> >>>>> go there. If I am arrested, I will continue my hunger strike in jail.
> >>>>> If I am released, I will go back to the venue and continue the fast.
> >>>>> This will go on,'' Mr. Hazare said. He gave a "lights off'' call
> >>>>> throughout the country to reflect the "darkness in the hearts of the
> >>>>> poor, deprived and dispossessed people.''
> >>>>>
> >>>>> He said that once he was arrested, people should fill the jails in
> >>>>> every village.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Accusing the Prime Minister of speaking the same language as his
> >>>>> Cabinet colleague Kapil Sibal, Mr. Hazare said he was sure that if a
> >>>>> strong Lokpal was created there would be a 60 per cent end to
> >>>>> corruption.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Before his news conference, the 74-year-old activist made a surprise
> >>>>> visit to the Rajghat taking the police unawares. He said he went
> >>>>> there for "introspection.''
> >>>>>
> >>>>> While senior United Progressive Alliance Ministers defended the
> >>>>> decision to withhold permission to Mr. Hazare as "necessary,'' the
> >>>>> Opposition Bharatiya Janata Party slammed the government for
> >>>>> "scuttling all voices of dissent.''
> >>>>>
> >>>>> CPI (M) leader Brinda Karat said one may or may not agree with Mr.
> >>>>> Hazare and his team on the Lokpal Bill but no one can question their
> >>>>> right to protest.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Activist Arvind Kejriwal said the government's action was
> >>>>> "autocratic.''
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Lawyer Prashant Bhushan said they would move the court on Tuesday
> >>>>> against the decision of the Delhi Police.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Karnataka Lokayukta Santosh Hegde, who is also a member of the Team
> >>>>> Anna's core team, said the government's action showed that it was
> >>>>> "nervous."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Aruna Roy, Nikhil Dey and Shankar Singh of the Mazdoor Kisan Shakti
> >>>>> Sangathan also condemned the refusal of permission to Mr. Hazare.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> HT Correspondents, Hindustan Times
> >>>>>
> >>>>> New Delhi, August 15, 2011
> >>>>> First Published: 23:26 IST(15/8/2011)
> >>>>> Last Updated: 01:25 IST(16/8/2011)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Police firm, Anna faces arrest
> >>>>>
> >>>>> With social activist Anna Hazare and his camp refusing to accept six
> >>>>> of the 22 conditions set by the Delhi Police for his fast to press
> >>>>> for a lokpal bill drafted by them, his arrest seemed imminent.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Late Monday, 50 of Hazare's supporters were detained for gathering at
> >>>>> the proposed JP Park venue of the protest for violating prohibitory
> >>>>> orders, the police said.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> A lokpal bill incorporating several suggestions by the Anna Camp is
> >>>>> currently in Parliament but the activists said nothing less than a
> >>>>> complete acceptance of their version is acceptable. 
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "We will march to JP Park tomorrow morning and if arrested, I will
> >>>>> fast in custody. When I am released, I will go there again to start
> >>>>> my fast," Hazare declared at a press conference, dubbed as an
> >>>>> "address to the nation".
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Delhi Police spokesperson Rajan Bhagat said, "We have denied them
> >>>>> permission to protest at JP Park. Section 144 that restricts a
> >>>>> gathering of people has been imposed at the park and all roads
> >>>>> leading to it. If anyone tries to defy the orders, the punishment can
> >>>>> vary from preventive custody to arrest."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The police told the Anna Camp that their agitation in JP Park near
> >>>>> ITO, it couldn't be allowed for more than three days.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> When the Anna Camp insisted on permission for an indefinite period,
> >>>>> the police offered a venue in Burari on the outskirts of the city,
> >>>>> which Hazare turned down.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> All other conditions set for the agitation are common to gatherings
> >>>>> in the city and guided by various court orders.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Concluding an afternoon filled with drama, Hazare exhorted all
> >>>>> Indians to join him in jail as he could be arrested.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Lakhs of people will rise in my support in villages across India,
> >>>>> and there will be a jail bharo (fill prisons) agitation." Describing
> >>>>> the country's independence as fake and inadequate, Hazare said its
> >>>>> time for a "second independence struggle".
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hazare earlier visited Rajghat, the resting place of Mahatma Gandhi,
> >>>>> for a "meditation".
> >>>>>
> >>>>> At a press conference later, Hazare thanked the media for supporting
> >>>>> his movement.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "The media is the fourth pillar of democracy," he said, adding that
> >>>>> he is willing to "fetch water in Kapil Sibal's house" if the lokpal
> >>>>> bill suggested by him does not bring down corruption by "60 to 65%".
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hazare however said his fight is not restricted to a lokpal but for a
> >>>>> systemic transformation.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Elaborating, he said, "Eighty percent of Indians earn R20 or less a
> >>>>> day. Others are earning several thousands every day," adding that the
> >>>>> country is "being run by industrialists.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Therefore, what we require is a systemic transformation, not merely a
> >>>>> change of government."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> He said he respected Parliament but asked why "this sacred place has
> >>>>> tainted people".
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/Print/733700.aspx
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Published: August 15, 2011 20:48 IST
> >>>>> Updated: August 16, 2011 04:15 IST 
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Anna Hazare calls for 'jail bharo'
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Gargi Parsai
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Social activist Anna Hazare during his visit to Rajghat on Monday on
> >>>>> the eve of his hunger strike for a stronger Lokpal Bill. Photo:
> >>>>> Sushil Kumar Verma
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The confrontation between social activist Anna Hazare and the
> >>>>> government on the Lokpal Bill took a turn for the worse on Monday
> >>>>> with the former giving a call to his supporters to fill jails all
> >>>>> over the country if he is arrested on Tuesday.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Mr. Hazare was denied permission by the Delhi Police to stage his
> >>>>> fast here as his team refused to comply with all 22 conditions they
> >>>>> laid.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Addressing journalists here after Prime Minister Manmohan Singh
> >>>>> criticised him for resorting to a fast as a protest when Parliament
> >>>>> was seized of the Lokpal Bill, the anti-corruption crusader said he
> >>>>> would go to the JP Park, the venue of his fast, even though the
> >>>>> police had imposed prohibitory orders.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "I am given to understand that I will be refused permission. We will
> >>>>> go there. If I am arrested, I will continue my hunger strike in jail.
> >>>>> If I am released, I will go back to the venue and continue the fast.
> >>>>> This will go on,'' Mr. Hazare said. He gave a "lights off'' call
> >>>>> throughout the country to reflect the "darkness in the hearts of the
> >>>>> poor, deprived and dispossessed people.''
> >>>>>
> >>>>> He said that once he was arrested, people should fill the jails in
> >>>>> every village.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Accusing the Prime Minister of speaking the same language as his
> >>>>> Cabinet colleague Kapil Sibal, Mr. Hazare said he was sure that if a
> >>>>> strong Lokpal was created there would be a 60 per cent end to
> >>>>> corruption.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Before his news conference, the 74-year-old activist made a surprise
> >>>>> visit to the Rajghat taking the police unawares. He said he went
> >>>>> there for "introspection.''
> >>>>>
> >>>>> While senior United Progressive Alliance Ministers defended the
> >>>>> decision to withhold permission to Mr. Hazare as "necessary,'' the
> >>>>> Opposition Bharatiya Janata Party slammed the government for
> >>>>> "scuttling all voices of dissent.''
> >>>>>
> >>>>> CPI (M) leader Brinda Karat said one may or may not agree with Mr.
> >>>>> Hazare and his team on the Lokpal Bill but no one can question their
> >>>>> right to protest.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Activist Arvind Kejriwal said the government's action was
> >>>>> "autocratic.''
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Lawyer Prashant Bhushan said they would move the court on Tuesday
> >>>>> against the decision of the Delhi Police.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Karnataka Lokayukta Santosh Hegde, who is also a member of the Team
> >>>>> Anna's core team, said the government's action showed that it was
> >>>>> "nervous."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Aruna Roy, Nikhil Dey and Shankar Singh of the Mazdoor Kisan Shakti
> >>>>> Sangathan also condemned the refusal of permission to Mr. Hazare.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article2359459.ece?homepage=true
> >>>>>
> >>>>> India against corruption: PM holds huddle leaving out key Sonia aides
> >>>>>
> >>>>> TNN
> >>>>> Aug 16, 2011, 02.47AM IST
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Indraprasth aka New Delhi - Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Monday
> >>>>> seemed to be taking charge of Congress's counter-offensive against
> >>>>> Anna Hazare by holding a huddle with senior party leaders, including
> >>>>> Rahul Gandhi and finance minister Pranab Mukherjee. 
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The rare initiative came just after the flag-hoisting ceremony at
> >>>>> Congress headquarters, and was at variance with the perception that
> >>>>> Singh, with the exception of his insistence on pushing the Indo-US
> >>>>> nuclear deal through, has been content following the party's lead. 
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Information and broadcasting minister Ambika Soni and general
> >>>>> secretary Janardan Dwivedi were part of the deliberations which,
> >>>>> among other things, focused on assessing how the confrontation with
> >>>>> civil society might play out in the media. 
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The unusual display of leadership on a political issue came against
> >>>>> the backdrop of the assessment in Congress about the divide between
> >>>>> PMO and party brass on how to tackle the challenge from Anna's camp. 
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The remarkable feature of the impromptu conclave was the exclusion of
> >>>>> two of Sonia Gandhi's most trusted aides - defence minister A K
> >>>>> Antony and the Congress chief's political secretary Ahmed Patel. Both
> >>>>> Antony and Patel were present at the AICC when Singh started the
> >>>>> consultations. The duo could not get out of the premises because of
> >>>>> the security bandobast SPG had put in place for the PM and had to
> >>>>> wait in social justice minister Mukul Wasnik's room till Singh and
> >>>>> his chosen few ended the deliberations. 
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The composition of what was instantly termed the PM's own "core
> >>>>> group" stunned AICC watchers. 
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Antony is a member of the elite bodies - Cabinet committees on
> >>>>> political affairs, and security. Significantly, his name featured on
> >>>>> the top of the 'group of four' named by Sonia to look after
> >>>>> organizational affairs in her absence. 
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The PM's initiative is significant against the growing backdrop of
> >>>>> growing perception in AICC circles about a disconnect between the PMO
> >>>>> and Congress leadership on how to deal with Anna's campaign.
> >>>>> Ministers like Kapil Sibal, who are considered to be advising the PM,
> >>>>> are for an aggressive response, whereas significant sections in the
> >>>>> party favour a politically calibrated approach. 
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There are misgivings in the party over the frontal assault party
> >>>>> spokesperson Manish Tewari was instructed to launch on the Gandhian.
> >>>>> Although party circles acknowledge that the provocation came from the
> >>>>> Anna group, they feel the party should have refrained from targeting
> >>>>> Anna personally. As against this, elements in the government are
> >>>>> against holding fire in the hostilities with civil society. 
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Amid a sense of puzzlement in the Congress over the aggression on
> >>>>> Saturday, senior party sources stressed that they don't favour
> >>>>> personal attacks. "Hazare has made unwarranted attacks on Congress
> >>>>> instead of focusing on government and others. However, we will not
> >>>>> stoop to that level and let incivility mar our response," a senior
> >>>>> party office-bearer said.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/PM-holds-huddle-on-Anna-campaign-lea
> ving-out-key-Sonia-aides/articleshow/9617001.cms
> >>>>>
> >>>>> India against corruption: 50 supporters of Hazare detained at fast
> >>>>> venue
> >>>>>
> >>>>> PTI
> >>>>> Aug 16, 2011, 12.09AM IST
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Indraprasth aka New Delhi - At least 50 supporters of Anna Hazare
> >>>>> were tonight detained by Delhi police at Jai Prakash Narain Park, the
> >>>>> venue of the anti-graft crusader's planned fast from tomorrow, for
> >>>>> defying prohibitory orders clamped in the area. 
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The supporters of the Gandhian were taken in a police bus to a nearby
> >>>>> police station, police said. Hazare has been denied permission by
> >>>>> Delhi police to hold his fast at JPN park. 
> >>>>>
> >>>>> They had gathered ahead of Hazare's fast for a strong Lokpal bill to
> >>>>> express solidarity with him. 
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Delhi Police spokesperson Rajan Bhagat said prohibitory orders under
> >>>>> Section 144 CrPC in some areas of Daryaganj and IP police stations in
> >>>>> Central Delhi, which include Jai Prakash Narain Park and Shaheed
> >>>>> Park, were clamped this evening. The section prohibits the assembly
> >>>>> of five or more people in one place. 
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The areas where prohibitory orders have been imposed include
> >>>>> Shantivan to Rajghat, Rajghat to Jawahar Lal Nehru Marg, Aruna Asaf
> >>>>> Ali Marg to JLN Marg, Delhi Gate to Tilak Marg on Bahadurshah Zafar
> >>>>> Marg. 
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The orders came following police denying permission to Hazare to hold
> >>>>> the protest at the park after organisers refused to give an
> >>>>> undertaking restricting the number of protest days to three and
> >>>>> protestors to 5,000. 
> >>>>>
> >>>>> A large contingent of police, including women personnel, have been
> >>>>> deployed around JPN Park to ensure that no untoward incident takes
> >>>>> place. 
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Delhi Police meanwhile sought the services of two magistrates from
> >>>>> the city government. 
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sources said Delhi Police have requested principal secretary (home)
> >>>>> of the city government to provide them with two magistrates whose
> >>>>> services might be required to handle the law and order situation
> >>>>> during the proposed protest. 
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Top officials also reviewed the situation at Police Headquarters. 
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Union Home Secretary RK Singh held a meeting with Delhi Police
> >>>>> Commissioner BK Gupta and other senior officials at the Police
> >>>>> Headquarters here to take stock of the measures taken by the force to
> >>>>> tackle any untoward situation.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/India-against-corruption-50-supporte
> rs-of-Hazare-detained-at-fast-venue/articleshow/9615987.cms
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Delhi Police plans 'Gandhigiri'
> >>>>>
> >>>>> By Pramod Kumar Singh
> >>>>> The Pioneer
> >>>>> Tuesday, August 16, 2011
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Unarmed, but ready to put the Gandhian and supporters behind bars 
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Indraprasth aka New Delhi - With Anna Hazare and his colleagues being
> >>>>> denied permission for their proposed fast at Jai Prakash Narayan
> >>>>> Park, battle lines have been drawn. However, the Delhi Police plans
> >>>>> to score brownie points with the people by adopting 'Gandhian
> >>>>> methods' of maintaining law and order. 
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Anna and his supporters will be taken into custody by the Delhi
> >>>>> Police if they try to enter Jai Prakash Narayan Park on Tuesday
> >>>>> morning. However, senior Delhi Police officials said that officers of
> >>>>> Delhi Police detailed for the duty would be unarmed and maximum
> >>>>> restraint would be exercised in dealing with the situation.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> However, it is unlikely that this will be the only line of deployment
> >>>>> for disallowing protests by Hazare and his group. The Delhi Police
> >>>>> has already deployed a large number of moveable barricades in Central
> >>>>> and New Delhi districts to prevent Anna and his supporters from going
> >>>>> to the announced place. The anti-riot first battalion of the armed
> >>>>> police would be on standby. "However, the police manning the
> >>>>> barricades would all be unarmed and request protesters not to move
> >>>>> further," informed a Delhi Police officer.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Special Branch of the Delhi Police has reported that those coming to
> >>>>> JP Park are expected to be peaceful and there was little likelihood
> >>>>> of violence. But the situation could change if Anna and his
> >>>>> supporters decided to move to any other venue and needed protection,
> >>>>> a senior Delhi Police official said.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The Delhi Police have chalked out an elaborate plan after Union Home
> >>>>> Secretary RK Singh visited the Delhi Police Headquarters on Monday
> >>>>> afternoon to review the situation as a showdown between the Team Anna
> >>>>> and the police appears inevitable. Intelligence wing of the Delhi
> >>>>> Police has cautioned the Central and New Delhi district police that
> >>>>> Anna and his supporters could spring a last minute surprise and could
> >>>>> go either to Rajghat or Jantar Mantar or even to 10 Janpath, the
> >>>>> residence of Congress president Sonia Gandhi. 
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Delhi Police officers said that they could very well block entry to
> >>>>> all these places if the situation so demanded and any attempt to
> >>>>> breach the police cordon would be "dealt in a firm albeit peaceful
> >>>>> manner."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Since Section 144 has been imposed in Central district, no assembly
> >>>>> of people would be allowed near the park," the official added. 
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The imposition of section 144 would mean that protests at the nearby
> >>>>> Ramlila Maidan and Rajghat would also not be allowed. Sources said
> >>>>> that Union Home Secretary asked Delhi Police Commissioner BK Gupta to
> >>>>> be careful while planning security arrangements and handle Tuesday
> >>>>> protest with minimum use of force. 
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "The Delhi Police has taken several measures to avoid a Ramlila
> >>>>> Maidan like situation," the official added. The Delhi Police used a
> >>>>> heavy hand to evict the supporters of Baba Ramdev in June after the
> >>>>> negotiations between the Government and the Yog Guru failed to reach
> >>>>> conclusion.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In a significant development, the Delhi Government has permitted the
> >>>>> Delhi Police to use Chhatrasal Stadium as a makeshift jail to house
> >>>>> Anna Hazare and his supporters after they are arrested. The Delhi
> >>>>> Police has requested the Delhi Government to provide either
> >>>>> Chhatrasal stadium or the State Guest House 33 Shamnath Marg on
> >>>>> Alipur Road for using it as temporary jail. Chief Secretary PK
> >>>>> Tripathi, Home Principal Secretary Arvind Ray and DG Prisons Neeraj
> >>>>> Kumar were present in the meeting.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Meanwhile, when asked why permission was denied to Anna Hazare in the
> >>>>> first place, Joint Commissioner of Police, Northern Range, Sudhir
> >>>>> Yadav told The Pioneer, "The Supreme Court has very clearly set
> >>>>> guidelines about such type of fasts and sit-ins. They refused to
> >>>>> comply with our six major conditions out of 22, the permission was
> >>>>> accordingly denied. Now any move to hold a protest near JP Park will
> >>>>> be dealt according to the provisions of law." When asked whether the
> >>>>> Delhi Police could go for preventive arrests to prevent Anna and his
> >>>>> supporters from going to JP Park, the Joint CP replied in negative.
> >>>>> He said, "There is no need as the Delhi Police was capable of
> >>>>> handling any situation that may emerge on Tuesday morning. Central
> >>>>> district police has requisitioned buses to move Anna and his
> >>>>> supporters in the event of them being detained for violating
> >>>>> prohibitory orders." 
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.dailypioneer.com/361100/Delhi-Police-plans-Gandhigiri.html
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Anna Hazare to begin fast today, people across India switch off
> >>>>> lights in support
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ITGD Bureau
> >>>>> August 15, 2011 - 19:04
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Anna Hazare addresses media in New Delhi on Monday.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Indraprasth aka New Delhi - Anna Hazare is all set for a full blown
> >>>>> confrontation with the government on the Lokpal Bill, giving a call
> >>>>> to his supporters to fill up jails all over the country if he is
> >>>>> arrested on Tuesday after he was denied permission to hold indefinite
> >>>>> fast in the national capital.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Addressing a press conference after Prime Minister Manmohan Singh
> >>>>> slammed him for resorting to fast as a protest when Parliament was
> >>>>> seized of the Lokpal bill, the Gandhian said he will go to J P park
> >>>>> on Tuesday, the venue of his fast even though Delhi police has
> >>>>> imposed prohibitory orders.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "My mission begins tomorrow, we have a long fight ahead," Hazare
> >>>>> said.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "I come to understand that I will be refused permission. We will go
> >>>>> there. If I am arrested, I will continue my hunger strike in the
> >>>>> jail. If I am released, I will go back to the venue and this circle
> >>>>> will continue," he said at a 30-minute press conference that came to
> >>>>> an end to coincide with his "lights-off" call throughout the country
> >>>>> from 8 pm.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> He said once he is arrested, people should fill up the jails in every
> >>>>> village across the country. "Going to jail for the country is no
> >>>>> crime...It is a decoration," he said.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> He accused the Prime Minister of "speaking" the language of his
> >>>>> ministerial colleague Kapil Sibal saying that the Lokpal bill was
> >>>>> before Parliament which will take the call.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Before his press conference, the 73-year old activist made an
> >>>>> unscheduled visit to Rajghat, where he sat in meditation. Soon after
> >>>>> the news of his being at the Gandhi Samadhi, hundreds of supporters
> >>>>> gathered around him.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Earlier in the day, Delhi Police refused permission to Gandhian and
> >>>>> his supporters saying that team Hazare have refused to give an
> >>>>> undertaking on restricting the number of days of protest and
> >>>>> protesters besides four other conditions.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sudhir Yadav, Joint Commissioner of Police (Northern Range), said
> >>>>> anybody assembling at the Park on Tuesday would face legal action.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "We have denied the permission. Nobody is supposed to come to the
> >>>>> park. If somebody comes there, it is unlawful. They will be handled
> >>>>> according to law. If they do that, it is violation of law," Yadav
> >>>>> said as police prepared to lock down the grounds.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Union Home Secretary R K Singh reviewed the situation with Delhi
> >>>>> Police Commissioner B K Gupta and other top officials at the police
> >>>>> headquarters.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hazare's protest on Tuesday is in pursuit of his campaign for a
> >>>>> strong Lokpal that will have under its ambit Prime Minister, higher
> >>>>> judiciary, conduct of MPs in Parliament and other provisions. The
> >>>>> bill introduced in Parliament excludes these institutions.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In his speech at the Red Fort on Monday morning, the Prime Minister
> >>>>> decried Hazare going on fast and said Parliament alone will decide on
> >>>>> Lokpal and those having grievances should approach Parliamentary
> >>>>> Committees for airing their views.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> At his press conference, Hazare said corruption has crossed all
> >>>>> limits and is all pervasive in various sectors, including education
> >>>>> and jobs.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> He said even after Jan Lokpal is passed, there is no guarantee that
> >>>>> corruption will be eliminated 100 per cent but he was confident that
> >>>>> it would end at least up to 60-65 per cent. "If it does not happen, I
> >>>>> am ready to serve water at Kapil Sibal's house," he said.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hazare said the fight against corruption has just begin and will not
> >>>>> stop even if Lokpal bill passed. The struggle for the change will
> >>>>> continue and it is a long battle, he said.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "It is now a fight to the finish," he said, adding they were not for
> >>>>> pulling down the government but if falls in the process, they don't
> >>>>> care.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> He also said his protest will be non-violent because non-violence was
> >>>>> a powerful weapon.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Referring to the Prime Minister's remarks that the Lokpal bill was
> >>>>> before Parliament, he said "We have to accept Parliament. We have
> >>>>> trust in Parliament but the bill that has gone before it is not
> >>>>> proper."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The activist said the provisions like appointment and removal of
> >>>>> Lokpal were serious issues on which government made promises but
> >>>>> suddenly it changed its stand and "betrayed us".
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Speaking about repeated assertions from the government's side that he
> >>>>> was undermining democracy, he said, "Don't we know democracy? Is
> >>>>> democracy only wining elections after spending money. Four MPs are in
> >>>>> jail and there are charges against nearly 150 others."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hazare said government was working only for big industrialists
> >>>>> acquiring lands from farmers and was not working for the poor.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> - With PTI inputs
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/story/lokpal-bill-anna-hazare-addresses-media/1/148140.html
> >>>>>
> >>>>> S. Kalyanaraman
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://sites.google.com/site/indianoceancommunity1/
> >>>>> http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com
> >>>>> http://tinyurl.com/3w6ojj6 (Indus Script Cipher)
> >>>>> http://tinyurl.com/4xguuoh (Rastram: Flipkart in India)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> End of forwarded message from S. Kalyanaraman
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> >>>>> Om Shanti

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DMJoshi
2011-08-18 04:59:56 UTC
Permalink
On Aug 17, 5:11 pm, Mirza Ghalib <***@gmx.com> wrote:
> On Aug 17, 5:34 am, Bholu <***@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 17, 5:53 am, "Myself, Mallu. Yourself?"
>
> > Well itchy, status quo never exists. India IS changing - that is why
> > you see the demonstrations. Worshiping Ramdeo or Anna is redundant-
> > beyond giving these parochial mullas more ego.
>
> > How does Anna differ from MNS Senapati on internal migration in India
> > - especially to Mumbai? Why has exercised extrajudicial clout to ban
> > TV and liquor in his village. Be careful of what you worship.
>
> > The young India will bring change. Not chump change like Anna. Or
> > posts for and against your deity.
>
> > Thanks bud. Relax and scratch that itch.
>
> My criterion for judging Hazare is a little different. Any effort
> in the direction of removing the Italian Feringhees ruling
> India is commendable. I had not heard of  Hazare till he
> launched his movement, and I am in general skeptical of
> Gandhian methods, because it does not spell out the
> system  after it has achieved its objective of removing
> the bad guys. But if he succeeds, well and good.
>
> I do not see any parallel between the Senapati and Hazare.
> Hazare has already become a national figure, whether you
> like it or not, and like the Gandhian movement in the 1930s is
> attracting followers around the country.
>
> Once the Feringhees are out of power, Indian will, at the
> least learn to govern themselves. So far, they have used the
> prop of the Nehru aura, and their smooth looks, in particular.
> If they prove unable to do so, well, at least the system will
> rot and fall, and give way to a new one, good or bad. In a
> sense that would mark the close of the freedom struggle
> launched over a century ago.
>
> Finally, do not bitch about the Rs 200,000 that someone
> spent on a birthday bash. In today's India it just $4000,
> and buys just a little more than what it would in the USA.
> You know what $4000 buys in USA. Much of that money
> must have gone for feeding people, rich and poor.

In rural India a Festival is that on which women are freed from
cooking, at least for one time. The villager must have celebrated Anna
Hazare's birth day as for the village he is more relevant than
Krishna(Janmashtami), Rama(Navami), Ganesh(Chaturthi), Shiva(Ratri),
Hanuman(Jayanti).
Looks village must have fed some villages from around.

From Wikipedia.
Ralegan Siddhi had 394 households and a population of 2306 in 2001
(male 1265 and female 1041)
The village has an area of 982.31 ha (1991). It is considered a model
of environmental conservation.
In 1975 the village was afflicted by drought, poverty prevailed, and
illicit liquor trade was widespread. The village tank could not hold
water as the embankment dam wall leaked. Work began with the
percolation tank construction. Hazare encouraged the villagers to
donate their labour to repair the embankment. Once this was fixed, the
seven wells below filled with water in the summer for the first time
in memory.
the village has carried out programs like treeplanting, terracing to
reduce soil erosion and digging canals to retain rainwater. For
energy, the village uses solar power, biogas (some generated from the
communal toilet) and a windmill. The project began in 1975, therefore
is 36 years old now. It is a sustainable model of a village republic.
The World Bank Group has concluded that the village of Ralegan Siddhi
was transformed from a highly degraded village ecosystem in a semi-
arid region of extreme poverty to one of the richest in the country.
The Ralegan Siddhi example, now 25 years old, by demonstrating that it
is possible to rebuild natural capital in partnership with the local
economy, is a model for the rest of the country.

That is if Bholu Bhai would care to read.
Bholu
2011-08-21 20:41:16 UTC
Permalink
On Aug 17, 11:59 pm, DMJoshi <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 17, 5:11 pm, Mirza Ghalib <***@gmx.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 17, 5:34 am,Bholu<***@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 17, 5:53 am, "Myself, Mallu. Yourself?"
>
> > > Well itchy, status quo never exists. India IS changing - that is why
> > > you see the demonstrations. Worshiping Ramdeo or Anna is redundant-
> > > beyond giving these parochial mullas more ego.
>
> > > How does Anna differ from MNS Senapati on internal migration in India
> > > - especially to Mumbai? Why has exercised extrajudicial clout to ban
> > > TV and liquor in his village. Be careful of what you worship.
>
> > > The young India will bring change. Not chump change like Anna. Or
> > > posts for and against your deity.
>
> > > Thanks bud. Relax and scratch that itch.
>
> > My criterion for judging Hazare is a little different. Any effort
> > in the direction of removing the Italian Feringhees ruling
> > India is commendable. I had not heard of  Hazare till he
> > launched his movement, and I am in general skeptical of
> > Gandhian methods, because it does not spell out the
> > system  after it has achieved its objective of removing
> > the bad guys. But if he succeeds, well and good.
>
> > I do not see any parallel between the Senapati and Hazare.
> > Hazare has already become a national figure, whether you
> > like it or not, and like the Gandhian movement in the 1930s is
> > attracting followers around the country.
>
> > Once the Feringhees are out of power, Indian will, at the
> > least learn to govern themselves. So far, they have used the
> > prop of the Nehru aura, and their smooth looks, in particular.
> > If they prove unable to do so, well, at least the system will
> > rot and fall, and give way to a new one, good or bad. In a
> > sense that would mark the close of the freedom struggle
> > launched over a century ago.
>
> > Finally, do not bitch about the Rs 200,000 that someone
> > spent on a birthday bash. In today's India it just $4000,
> > and buys just a little more than what it would in the USA.
> > You know what $4000 buys in USA. Much of that money
> > must have gone for feeding people, rich and poor.
>
> In rural India a Festival is that on which women are freed from
> cooking, at least for one time. The villager must have celebrated Anna
> Hazare's birth day as for the village he is more relevant than
> Krishna(Janmashtami), Rama(Navami), Ganesh(Chaturthi), Shiva(Ratri),
> Hanuman(Jayanti).
> Looks village must have fed some villages from around.
>
> From Wikipedia.
> Ralegan Siddhi had 394 households and a population of 2306 in 2001
> (male 1265 and female 1041)
> The village has an area of 982.31 ha (1991). It is considered a model
> of environmental conservation.
> In 1975 the village was afflicted by drought, poverty prevailed, and
> illicit liquor trade was widespread. The village tank could not hold
> water as the embankment dam wall leaked. Work began with the
> percolation tank construction. Hazare encouraged the villagers to
> donate their labour to repair the embankment. Once this was fixed, the
> seven wells below filled with water in the summer for the first time
> in memory.
> the village has carried out programs like treeplanting, terracing to
> reduce soil erosion and digging canals to retain rainwater. For
> energy, the village uses solar power, biogas (some generated from the
> communal toilet) and a windmill. The project began in 1975, therefore
> is 36 years old now. It is a sustainable model of a village republic.
> The World Bank Group has concluded that the village of Ralegan Siddhi
> was transformed from a highly degraded village ecosystem in a semi-
> arid region of extreme poverty to one of the richest in the country.
> The Ralegan Siddhi example, now 25 years old, by demonstrating that it
> is possible to rebuild natural capital in partnership with the local
> economy, is a model for the rest of the country.
>
> That is ifBholuBhai would care to read.

Have you heard of Anna gang tying people to poles and whipping them.
Don't even wish for such vigilantism as a free for all. All manner of
Taliban will start beating and killing people for doing what they deem
undesirable.

The Gita tells us to do our duty not some one else's. Anna should
leave law making to the MPs. Or run for elections and have a real
stake.

Thanks bud.
DMJoshi
2011-08-22 05:56:15 UTC
Permalink
On Aug 21, 9:41 pm, Bholu <***@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 17, 11:59 pm, DMJoshi <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 17, 5:11 pm, Mirza Ghalib <***@gmx.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 17, 5:34 am,Bholu<***@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Aug 17, 5:53 am, "Myself, Mallu. Yourself?"
>
> > > > Well itchy, status quo never exists. India IS changing - that is why
> > > > you see the demonstrations. Worshiping Ramdeo or Anna is redundant-
> > > > beyond giving these parochial mullas more ego.
>
> > > > How does Anna differ from MNS Senapati on internal migration in India
> > > > - especially to Mumbai? Why has exercised extrajudicial clout to ban
> > > > TV and liquor in his village. Be careful of what you worship.
>
> > > > The young India will bring change. Not chump change like Anna. Or
> > > > posts for and against your deity.
>
> > > > Thanks bud. Relax and scratch that itch.
>
> > > My criterion for judging Hazare is a little different. Any effort
> > > in the direction of removing the Italian Feringhees ruling
> > > India is commendable. I had not heard of  Hazare till he
> > > launched his movement, and I am in general skeptical of
> > > Gandhian methods, because it does not spell out the
> > > system  after it has achieved its objective of removing
> > > the bad guys. But if he succeeds, well and good.
>
> > > I do not see any parallel between the Senapati and Hazare.
> > > Hazare has already become a national figure, whether you
> > > like it or not, and like the Gandhian movement in the 1930s is
> > > attracting followers around the country.
>
> > > Once the Feringhees are out of power, Indian will, at the
> > > least learn to govern themselves. So far, they have used the
> > > prop of the Nehru aura, and their smooth looks, in particular.
> > > If they prove unable to do so, well, at least the system will
> > > rot and fall, and give way to a new one, good or bad. In a
> > > sense that would mark the close of the freedom struggle
> > > launched over a century ago.
>
> > > Finally, do not bitch about the Rs 200,000 that someone
> > > spent on a birthday bash. In today's India it just $4000,
> > > and buys just a little more than what it would in the USA.
> > > You know what $4000 buys in USA. Much of that money
> > > must have gone for feeding people, rich and poor.
>
> > In rural India a Festival is that on which women are freed from
> > cooking, at least for one time. The villager must have celebrated Anna
> > Hazare's birth day as for the village he is more relevant than
> > Krishna(Janmashtami), Rama(Navami), Ganesh(Chaturthi), Shiva(Ratri),
> > Hanuman(Jayanti).
> > Looks village must have fed some villages from around.
>
> > From Wikipedia.
> > Ralegan Siddhi had 394 households and a population of 2306 in 2001
> > (male 1265 and female 1041)
> > The village has an area of 982.31 ha (1991). It is considered a model
> > of environmental conservation.
> > In 1975 the village was afflicted by drought, poverty prevailed, and
> > illicit liquor trade was widespread. The village tank could not hold
> > water as the embankment dam wall leaked. Work began with the
> > percolation tank construction. Hazare encouraged the villagers to
> > donate their labour to repair the embankment. Once this was fixed, the
> > seven wells below filled with water in the summer for the first time
> > in memory.
> > the village has carried out programs like treeplanting, terracing to
> > reduce soil erosion and digging canals to retain rainwater. For
> > energy, the village uses solar power, biogas (some generated from the
> > communal toilet) and a windmill. The project began in 1975, therefore
> > is 36 years old now. It is a sustainable model of a village republic.
> > The World Bank Group has concluded that the village of Ralegan Siddhi
> > was transformed from a highly degraded village ecosystem in a semi-
> > arid region of extreme poverty to one of the richest in the country.
> > The Ralegan Siddhi example, now 25 years old, by demonstrating that it
> > is possible to rebuild natural capital in partnership with the local
> > economy, is a model for the rest of the country.
>
> > That is ifBholuBhai would care to read.
>
> Have you heard of Anna gang tying people to poles and whipping them.

No I have not.

Give a reference.

Kiran Bedi said to Channel 4 that he is the noblest man she has come
across in India.

> Don't even wish for such vigilantism as a free for all. All manner of
> Taliban will start beating and killing people for doing what they deem
> undesirable.
>
> The Gita tells us to do our duty not some one else's. Anna should
> leave law making to the MPs. Or run for elections and have a real
> stake.

As a voter he has right to insist on what kind of law gets made and he
is not alone in saying that.
Bholu
2011-08-18 22:29:29 UTC
Permalink
On Aug 17, 11:11 am, Mirza Ghalib <***@gmx.com> wrote:
> On Aug 17, 5:34 am,Bholu<***@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 17, 5:53 am, "Myself, Mallu. Yourself?"
>
> > Well itchy, status quo never exists. India IS changing - that is why
> > you see the demonstrations. Worshiping Ramdeo or Anna is redundant-
> > beyond giving these parochial mullas more ego.
>
> > How does Anna differ from MNS Senapati on internal migration in India
> > - especially to Mumbai? Why has exercised extrajudicial clout to ban
> > TV and liquor in his village. Be careful of what you worship.
>
> > The young India will bring change. Not chump change like Anna. Or
> > posts for and against your deity.
>
> > Thanks bud. Relax and scratch that itch.
>
> My criterion for judging Hazare is a little different. Any effort
> in the direction of removing the Italian Feringhees ruling
> India is commendable. I had not heard of  Hazare till he
> launched his movement, and I am in general skeptical of
> Gandhian methods, because it does not spell out the
> system  after it has achieved its objective of removing
> the bad guys. But if he succeeds, well and good.
>
> I do not see any parallel between the Senapati and Hazare.
> Hazare has already become a national figure, whether you
> like it or not, and like the Gandhian movement in the 1930s is
> attracting followers around the country.
>
> Once the Feringhees are out of power, Indian will, at the
> least learn to govern themselves. So far, they have used the
> prop of the Nehru aura, and their smooth looks, in particular.
> If they prove unable to do so, well, at least the system will
> rot and fall, and give way to a new one, good or bad. In a
> sense that would mark the close of the freedom struggle
> launched over a century ago.
>
> Finally, do not bitch about the Rs 200,000 that someone
> spent on a birthday bash. In today's India it just $4000,
> and buys just a little more than what it would in the USA.
> You know what $4000 buys in USA. Much of that money
> must have gone for feeding people, rich and poor.

Mirza, rationalizing Anna in the name of getting rid of Sonia ji. Tsk
tsk. That is a price too high since Rahul ji will be toast faster than
his dumbass dad. we don't need no stinking Anna.

Read about how Anna's cult members are undemocratically forcing their
opinions on Lokpal bill to the exclusion of other anti-corruption
crusaders. This is the Indian Tea Party. Bunch of self righteous
Ayatollas who have appointed themselves arbiters of right and wrong
ABOVE ALL else. No one dare make modifications to their version of the
bill. Sounds like the Nehruvian model or Gandhian model to me. Cult of
personality and blackmail.

Thanks bud.
Myself, Mallu. Yourself?
2011-08-19 13:01:11 UTC
Permalink
On 8/17/2011 5:34 AM, Bholu wrote:
> On Aug 17, 5:53 am, "Myself, Mallu. Yourself?"
> <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 8/16/2011 5:35 AM, Bholu wrote:
>>
>>> Anna Hazare spent 200 hazar on his birthday bash last year. Buddha
>>> budmaash hai.
>>
>>> Yaani ke ram naam hai mukh mein - chhuri hai bagal mein.
>>
>>> He will fade faster than a wet spot. Unfortunately he has fooled more
>>> people than Gandhi ji.
>>
>>> Thanks bud.
>>
>> 200 hazaar (from his own trust fund) is orders of magnitude smaller than
>> what was spent on the birthday of a Lakhanvi tawaaif, or the 2 lakh
>> crore loss to the public exchequer caused by A Raja. 200 hazar can only
>> buy a limited amount of "zunka bhakar". :-)
>>
>> Whether he fades 'faster than a wet spot' is irrelevant. What matters is
>> whether the current anti-corruption movement started by him can sustain
>> its momentum, and get accountability back in the Indian system.
>>
>> Since you seem to be particularly wrapped around the axle about
>> Annasaheb, you should have more than just flip comments. Maybe you are
>> fond of the status quo, eh?
>>
>> BTW, the idiom is "munh mein Raam, bagal mein chhuri". :)
>>
>> --
>> VB, Just itchy
>> 'ome=shanty
>
> Well itchy, status quo never exists. India IS changing - that is why
> you see the demonstrations. Worshiping Ramdeo or Anna is redundant-
> beyond giving these parochial mullas more ego.
>
> How does Anna differ from MNS Senapati on internal migration in India
> - especially to Mumbai? Why has exercised extrajudicial clout to ban
> TV and liquor in his village. Be careful of what you worship.
>
> The young India will bring change. Not chump change like Anna. Or
> posts for and against your deity.
>
> Thanks bud. Relax and scratch that itch.
>
>

The full 'title' is 'Just itchy' (a la 'jyotshi') and not just 'itchy' :-)

Ah, finally the condescension. I do know that India IS changing,
changing for the worse it seems. The country is now a scam-a-day country
and good 'cattle class' Indians must accept this. Anyone who dares
question these scams are 'parochial mullahs'. Well, for starters, India
ain't Pakistan, and I don't recall a single instance of Annasaheb asking
women to stay at home, not get an education, ... He has worked hard to
make his little village self-sufficient. Babas, padres, mullas, are
people I simply do not trust, and I don't know recall a single instance
of Annasaheb peddling 'medicinal supplements' or that 'old time
religion'. Anyways, your particular contribution to any such thing is ...?

Internal migration from rural areas to the cities (not just Mumbai) IS a
big issue in India. Third-rate senas and chaluvals give it a parochial
color. What needs to be addressed is rural poverty, and stupid Indian
governments and their fat corrupt bureaucrats do little to address it.
Nobody should talk about that? So what if liquor and TV are banned in
Ralegan Siddhi? People should learn to handle liquor responsibly - don't
drink if you don't have the money. Although the ban appears
paternalistic to some, it seems to have made folks a little more
responsible for themselves instead of hanging around for 'development
funds' (probably 10% actually reaches people).

That young India will bring about change is a statement of motherhood.
Care to back that with how? Doing so might really scratch my itch. Flip
posts about the Muckeraj only go so far.


--
VB, Just itchy
'ome=shanty
P. Rajah
2011-08-19 15:18:06 UTC
Permalink
On 8/19/2011 9:01 AM, Myself, Mallu. Yourself? wrote:


> Internal migration from rural areas to the cities (not just Mumbai) IS a
> big issue in India. Third-rate senas and chaluvals give it a parochial
> color. What needs to be addressed is rural poverty, and stupid Indian
> governments and their fat corrupt bureaucrats do little to address it.
> Nobody should talk about that? So what if liquor and TV are banned in
> Ralegan Siddhi? People should learn to handle liquor responsibly - don't
> drink if you don't have the money. Although the ban appears
> paternalistic to some, it seems to have made folks a little more
> responsible for themselves instead of hanging around for 'development
> funds' (probably 10% actually reaches people).

I read that Anna Hazare personally flogged some of the villagers found
to have been drinking. Also, that when he was arrested in the 90s, the
BJP and Shiv Sena refused to support him.


--
Astrology: Fraud or Superstition?
http://www.seesharppress.com/astro.html

Ass-troll-ogers/jyotishitheads are the bane of humanity, and must be
cleansed or otherwise purified for the benefit of society.

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/vhp-terrorism
Myself, Mallu. Yourself?
2011-08-20 16:10:50 UTC
Permalink
On 8/19/2011 8:18 AM, P. Rajah wrote:
> On 8/19/2011 9:01 AM, Myself, Mallu. Yourself? wrote:
>
>
>> Internal migration from rural areas to the cities (not just Mumbai) IS a
>> big issue in India. Third-rate senas and chaluvals give it a parochial
>> color. What needs to be addressed is rural poverty, and stupid Indian
>> governments and their fat corrupt bureaucrats do little to address it.
>> Nobody should talk about that? So what if liquor and TV are banned in
>> Ralegan Siddhi? People should learn to handle liquor responsibly - don't
>> drink if you don't have the money. Although the ban appears
>> paternalistic to some, it seems to have made folks a little more
>> responsible for themselves instead of hanging around for 'development
>> funds' (probably 10% actually reaches people).
>
> I read that Anna Hazare personally flogged some of the villagers found
> to have been drinking. Also, that when he was arrested in the 90s, the
> BJP and Shiv Sena refused to support him.
>
>

While reading the Wiki page on Annasaheb, I did find a reference to a
1986 article by Mohan Sivanand (appeared in the Indian Reader's Digest).
The article is worth a read

http://www.readersdigest.co.in/anna-hazare

The BJP and Sena probably support him now that he has the INC on the
backfoot - nothing like fishing in troubled waters, and working towards
a snap poll. The Government (actually the INC) has already shown itself
of being incapable of handling the movement. Hell, the "foreign hand"
has already been invoked by it, and this is usually the signal for a
bloody crackdown.

The current movement had nation-wide support and is reminiscent of JP's
"Sampoorna Kranti" from the 1970s. It is truly amazing that India's
Parliamentarians (of all bloody political parties) are simply unable to
read the tea leaves and see that Indian democratic institutions are
simply rotten and are being challenged to do the right thing. Instead of
co-opting Hazare's version and/or negotiating on some of the issues, the
government's approach has been ham-handed.

That said, there are some things that need to be worked out. Firstly,
Hazare needs a few lessons in basic civics - there should be a healthy
contention between the judiciary, legislation, and the executive, and
there _should not_ be one single national ombudsman to take care of all
three. Secondly, he should know that laws/rules are enacted by _elected_
representatives and not any and all special interest groups. The second
bit is harder to sell because no one now believes that Parliament is
anything but a den of thieves. But, nothing like running for office to
bring in the changes that one is passionate about. The "youth brigade"
(Pilot, Gandhi, ...) elected to Parliament have shown no particular
talent or aptitude on anything.

The big lesson to the government and its stooges is that they get off
their high horse and learn the fine art of negotiation. All I have seen
so far is utter contempt for a "rustic" with no education, and the need
for some of these elitist Delhi monkeys (Sibal, PC, Soni, ...) to rush
off to the media and air views disparaging the man and his movement. The
"class divide" in India is difficult to bridge.

To counter Hazare's movement, the government set up some "herbal
supplements" peddler, and that backfired badly. After the Bhindranwale
fiasco in Punjab, one would have thought that the INC had learned its
lesson. The "secular" INC will continue to use religion as a weapon in
Indian politics. Idiots!


--
VB, Just itchy
'ome=shanty
P. Rajah
2011-08-21 02:48:09 UTC
Permalink
On 8/20/2011 12:10 PM, Myself, Mallu. Yourself? wrote:

> On 8/19/2011 8:18 AM, P. Rajah wrote:
>> [....]
>>
>> I read that Anna Hazare personally flogged some of the villagers found
>> to have been drinking. Also, that when he was arrested in the 90s, the
>> BJP and Shiv Sena refused to support him.
>>
>>
>
> While reading the Wiki page on Annasaheb, I did find a reference to a
> 1986 article by Mohan Sivanand (appeared in the Indian Reader's Digest).
> The article is worth a read
>
> http://www.readersdigest.co.in/anna-hazare

While I agree that Anna Hazare has indeed done a lot of good, no person
or organization has the right to set themselves up as
extra-constitutional arbiters on law and justice. It inevitably leads to
authoritarianism.

"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely"
-- Lord Acton


--
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http://www.seesharppress.com/astro.html

Ass-troll-ogers/jyotishitheads are the bane of humanity, and must be
cleansed or otherwise purified for the benefit of society.

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DMJoshi
2011-08-21 05:39:20 UTC
Permalink
On Aug 21, 3:48 am, "P. Rajah" <***@this.com> wrote:
> On 8/20/2011 12:10 PM, Myself, Mallu. Yourself? wrote:
>
> > On 8/19/2011 8:18 AM, P. Rajah wrote:
> >> [....]
>
> >> I read that Anna Hazare personally flogged some of the villagers found
> >> to have been drinking. Also, that when he was arrested in the 90s, the
> >> BJP and Shiv Sena refused to support him.
>
> > While reading the Wiki page on Annasaheb, I did find a reference to a
> > 1986 article by Mohan Sivanand (appeared in the Indian Reader's Digest).
> > The article is worth a read
>
> >http://www.readersdigest.co.in/anna-hazare
>
> While I agree that Anna Hazare has indeed done a lot of good, no person
> or organization has the right to set themselves up as
> extra-constitutional arbiters on law and justice. It inevitably leads to
> authoritarianism.

Obviously drinking was keeping life in Ralegaon Siddhi poor.
How should he have dealt with the problem when he recognised it as
one.
Surely he could not have flogged any one if there was no support from
those women and children who were kept in poverty because of drinking
of their breadwinners.
May be he should have led women of the village in doing that as in
some north east regions of India.

> "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely"
> -- Lord Acton
>
> --
> Astrology: Fraud or Superstition?http://www.seesharppress.com/astro.html
>
> Ass-troll-ogers/jyotishitheads are the bane of humanity, and must be
> cleansed or otherwise purified for the benefit of society.
>
> http://www.nowpublic.com/world/vhp-terrorism
P. Rajah
2011-08-21 15:16:56 UTC
Permalink
On 8/21/2011 1:39 AM, DMJoshi wrote:

> On Aug 21, 3:48 am, "P. Rajah"<***@this.com> wrote:
>> On 8/20/2011 12:10 PM, Myself, Mallu. Yourself? wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/19/2011 8:18 AM, P. Rajah wrote:
>>>> [....]
>>
>>>> I read that Anna Hazare personally flogged some of the villagers found
>>>> to have been drinking. Also, that when he was arrested in the 90s, the
>>>> BJP and Shiv Sena refused to support him.
>>
>>> While reading the Wiki page on Annasaheb, I did find a reference to a
>>> 1986 article by Mohan Sivanand (appeared in the Indian Reader's Digest).
>>> The article is worth a read
>>
>>> http://www.readersdigest.co.in/anna-hazare
>>
>> While I agree that Anna Hazare has indeed done a lot of good, no person
>> or organization has the right to set themselves up as
>> extra-constitutional arbiters on law and justice. It inevitably leads to
>> authoritarianism.
>
> Obviously drinking was keeping life in Ralegaon Siddhi poor.
> How should he have dealt with the problem when he recognised it as
> one.
> Surely he could not have flogged any one if there was no support from
> those women and children who were kept in poverty because of drinking
> of their breadwinners.

Does he flog gamblers too? Or men who don't work and thus keep their
women and children in poverty?

> May be he should have led women of the village in doing that as in
> some north east regions of India.

Maybe he should form khap panchayats as in some northern regions of
India, or sharia councils as in some Islamic countries. You obviously
don't get the point that making and enforcement of laws should not be in
the hands of private individuals.

>> "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely"
>> -- Lord Acton

--
Astrology: Fraud or Superstition?
http://www.seesharppress.com/astro.html

Ass-troll-ogers/jyotishitheads are the bane of humanity, and must be
cleansed or otherwise purified for the benefit of society.

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/vhp-terrorism
DMJoshi
2011-08-21 16:36:23 UTC
Permalink
On Aug 21, 4:16 pm, "P. Rajah" <***@this.com> wrote:
> On 8/21/2011 1:39 AM, DMJoshi wrote:

> >> While I agree that Anna Hazare has indeed done a lot of good, no person
> >> or organization has the right to set themselves up as
> >> extra-constitutional arbiters on law and justice. It inevitably leads to
> >> authoritarianism.
>
> > Obviously drinking was keeping life in Ralegaon Siddhi poor.
> > How should he have dealt with the problem when he recognised it as
> > one.
> > Surely he could not have flogged any one if there was no support from
> > those women and children who were kept in poverty because of drinking
> > of their breadwinners.
>
> Does he flog gamblers too? Or men who don't work and thus keep their
> women and children in poverty?

I am sure he would have done that, but doubt if gambling is a rural
problem. As to not work and have wife and children is unlikely to be
there in India, not having doles there.

> > May be he should have led women of the village in doing that as in
> > some north east regions of India.
>
> Maybe he should form khap panchayats as in some northern regions of
> India, or sharia councils as in some Islamic countries. You obviously
> don't get the point that making and enforcement of laws should not be in
> the hands of private individuals.

What should be and what should not be is arm chair philosophising.
When law and order is the way it is in India people who want to bring
about change have to think of alternatives. It is to Hazare's credit
that he did not bring in any religion in, Islam, Christianity,
Hinduism, Buddhism to bring about change in his adopted village.
P. Rajah
2011-08-22 05:12:10 UTC
Permalink
On 8/21/2011 12:36 PM, DMJoshi wrote:

> On Aug 21, 4:16 pm, "P. Rajah"<***@this.com> wrote:
>> On 8/21/2011 1:39 AM, DMJoshi wrote:
>
>>>> While I agree that Anna Hazare has indeed done a lot of good, no person
>>>> or organization has the right to set themselves up as
>>>> extra-constitutional arbiters on law and justice. It inevitably leads to
>>>> authoritarianism.
>>
>>> Obviously drinking was keeping life in Ralegaon Siddhi poor.
>>> How should he have dealt with the problem when he recognised it as
>>> one.
>>> Surely he could not have flogged any one if there was no support from
>>> those women and children who were kept in poverty because of drinking
>>> of their breadwinners.
>>
>> Does he flog gamblers too? Or men who don't work and thus keep their
>> women and children in poverty?
>
> I am sure he would have done that, but doubt if gambling is a rural
> problem. As to not work and have wife and children is unlikely to be
> there in India, not having doles there.

You are saying that in India, every man who has a wife and children is a
hard-working upright fellow? No slackers among Indian married men, eh?

>>> May be he should have led women of the village in doing that as in
>>> some north east regions of India.
>>
>> Maybe he should form khap panchayats as in some northern regions of
>> India, or sharia councils as in some Islamic countries. You obviously
>> don't get the point that making and enforcement of laws should not be in
>> the hands of private individuals.
>
> What should be and what should not be is arm chair philosophising.
> When law and order is the way it is in India people who want to bring
> about change have to think of alternatives. It is to Hazare's credit
> that he did not bring in any religion in, Islam, Christianity,
> Hinduism, Buddhism to bring about change in his adopted village.

If you read about him without rose-colored glasses, you would see that
he made the temple the center of his reform movement(which I don't have
a problem with- it should have been done centuries before). If that is
not "bringing any religion in", I don't know what would be. But what I'm
taking issue with is the kangaroo-court method of administering "justice".


--
Astrology: Fraud or Superstition?
http://www.seesharppress.com/astro.html

Ass-troll-ogers/jyotishitheads are the bane of humanity, and must be
cleansed or otherwise purified for the benefit of society.

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/vhp-terrorism
DMJoshi
2011-08-22 06:11:34 UTC
Permalink
On Aug 22, 6:12 am, "P. Rajah" <***@this.com> wrote:
> On 8/21/2011 12:36 PM, DMJoshi wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 21, 4:16 pm, "P. Rajah"<***@this.com>  wrote:
> >> On 8/21/2011 1:39 AM, DMJoshi wrote:
>
> >>>> While I agree that Anna Hazare has indeed done a lot of good, no person
> >>>> or organization has the right to set themselves up as
> >>>> extra-constitutional arbiters on law and justice. It inevitably leads to
> >>>> authoritarianism.
>
> >>> Obviously drinking was keeping life in Ralegaon Siddhi poor.
> >>> How should he have dealt with the problem when he recognised it as
> >>> one.
> >>> Surely he could not have flogged any one if there was no support from
> >>> those women and children who were kept in poverty because of drinking
> >>> of their breadwinners.
>
> >> Does he flog gamblers too? Or men who don't work and thus keep their
> >> women and children in poverty?
>
> > I am sure he would have done that, but doubt if gambling is a rural
> > problem. As to not work and have wife and children is unlikely to be
> > there in India, not having doles there.
>
> You are saying that in India, every man who has a wife and children is a
> hard-working upright fellow? No slackers among Indian married men, eh?

No father will marry off his daughter to a boy who is not a proven
bread earner. India does not have surplus of girls, you know.

> >>> May be he should have led women of the village in doing that as in
> >>> some north east regions of India.
>
> >> Maybe he should form khap panchayats as in some northern regions of
> >> India, or sharia councils as in some Islamic countries. You obviously
> >> don't get the point that making and enforcement of laws should not be in
> >> the hands of private individuals.
>
> > What should be and what should not be is arm chair philosophising.
> > When law and order is the way it is in India people who want to bring
> > about change have to think of alternatives. It is to Hazare's credit
> > that he did not bring in any religion in, Islam, Christianity,
> > Hinduism, Buddhism to bring about change in his adopted village.
>
> If you read about him without rose-colored glasses, you would see that
> he made the temple the center of his reform movement(which I don't have
> a problem with- it should have been done centuries before). If that is
> not "bringing any religion in", I don't know what would be. But what I'm
> taking issue with is the kangaroo-court method of administering "justice".

Unless you can give an alternative way Hazare should have brought his
adopted village out of poverty you are going Bholu way. The guy who
used his development skills for third world to stash up savings in US
and managed to become citizen there.
Myself, Mallu. Yourself?
2011-08-22 13:06:57 UTC
Permalink
On 8/21/2011 10:12 PM, P. Rajah wrote:
> On 8/21/2011 12:36 PM, DMJoshi wrote:
>
>> On Aug 21, 4:16 pm, "P. Rajah"<***@this.com> wrote:
>>> On 8/21/2011 1:39 AM, DMJoshi wrote:
>>
>>>>> While I agree that Anna Hazare has indeed done a lot of good, no
>>>>> person
>>>>> or organization has the right to set themselves up as
>>>>> extra-constitutional arbiters on law and justice. It inevitably
>>>>> leads to
>>>>> authoritarianism.
>>>
>>>> Obviously drinking was keeping life in Ralegaon Siddhi poor.
>>>> How should he have dealt with the problem when he recognised it as
>>>> one.
>>>> Surely he could not have flogged any one if there was no support from
>>>> those women and children who were kept in poverty because of drinking
>>>> of their breadwinners.
>>>
>>> Does he flog gamblers too? Or men who don't work and thus keep their
>>> women and children in poverty?
>>
>> I am sure he would have done that, but doubt if gambling is a rural
>> problem. As to not work and have wife and children is unlikely to be
>> there in India, not having doles there.
>
> You are saying that in India, every man who has a wife and children is a
> hard-working upright fellow? No slackers among Indian married men, eh?
>
>>>> May be he should have led women of the village in doing that as in
>>>> some north east regions of India.
>>>
>>> Maybe he should form khap panchayats as in some northern regions of
>>> India, or sharia councils as in some Islamic countries. You obviously
>>> don't get the point that making and enforcement of laws should not be in
>>> the hands of private individuals.
>>
>> What should be and what should not be is arm chair philosophising.
>> When law and order is the way it is in India people who want to bring
>> about change have to think of alternatives. It is to Hazare's credit
>> that he did not bring in any religion in, Islam, Christianity,
>> Hinduism, Buddhism to bring about change in his adopted village.
>
> If you read about him without rose-colored glasses, you would see that
> he made the temple the center of his reform movement(which I don't have
> a problem with- it should have been done centuries before). If that is
> not "bringing any religion in", I don't know what would be. But what I'm
> taking issue with is the kangaroo-court method of administering "justice".
>
>

Are you that spooked by temples that nothing good can ever come out of
one. So, Annasaheb repaired the temple and so, he got his village folks
to pitch in. So what? There has not been a single instance where he has
invoked this deity or the other, nor has there been an instance where he
has denigrated any other religion in this current fight against
corruption. The man has confessed to changing his life around by reading
a booklet of Swami Vivekananda, a booklet he bought a railway station.
After that he became a teetotaler and active in doing work rather than
sit on his haunches and shoot the breeze.

Some of the methods he has used in transforming Ralegan Siddhi are
unorthodox, but he has succeeded where most governments have failed -
giving a people a sense of purpose and a sense of community. Was he
supposed to wait in line for government babus to magically transform
Ralegan Siddhi? Was he supposed to sport a "chalta hai" attitude? The
elitist attitude of urbanites towards a rural 7th grade educated person
is appalling. We have INC snobs look down upon the "rustic". The
Marxists have disapproved of his "tactics" - rich coming from violent
monkeys. Dalit "leaders" have seen "manuvadi" and "jativadi" taint in
his movement. Arundhati Roy has blasted him for "nationalism". Hell, if
Ms. Roy has spoken against Annasaheb, then he must be absolutely right.
Perhaps Ms. Roy forgot that her former favorite Medha Patkar is squarely
behind Hazare. :-)


--
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'ome=shanty
P. Rajah
2011-08-22 14:29:16 UTC
Permalink
On 8/22/2011 9:06 AM, Myself, Mallu. Yourself? wrote:

> On 8/21/2011 10:12 PM, P. Rajah wrote:
>> On 8/21/2011 12:36 PM, DMJoshi wrote:
>>
>>> On Aug 21, 4:16 pm, "P. Rajah"<***@this.com> wrote:
>>>> On 8/21/2011 1:39 AM, DMJoshi wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> While I agree that Anna Hazare has indeed done a lot of good, no
>>>>>> person
>>>>>> or organization has the right to set themselves up as
>>>>>> extra-constitutional arbiters on law and justice. It inevitably
>>>>>> leads to
>>>>>> authoritarianism.
>>>>
>>>>> Obviously drinking was keeping life in Ralegaon Siddhi poor.
>>>>> How should he have dealt with the problem when he recognised it as
>>>>> one.
>>>>> Surely he could not have flogged any one if there was no support from
>>>>> those women and children who were kept in poverty because of drinking
>>>>> of their breadwinners.
>>>>
>>>> Does he flog gamblers too? Or men who don't work and thus keep their
>>>> women and children in poverty?
>>>
>>> I am sure he would have done that, but doubt if gambling is a rural
>>> problem. As to not work and have wife and children is unlikely to be
>>> there in India, not having doles there.
>>
>> You are saying that in India, every man who has a wife and children is a
>> hard-working upright fellow? No slackers among Indian married men, eh?
>>
>>>>> May be he should have led women of the village in doing that as in
>>>>> some north east regions of India.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe he should form khap panchayats as in some northern regions of
>>>> India, or sharia councils as in some Islamic countries. You obviously
>>>> don't get the point that making and enforcement of laws should not
>>>> be in
>>>> the hands of private individuals.
>>>
>>> What should be and what should not be is arm chair philosophising.
>>> When law and order is the way it is in India people who want to bring
>>> about change have to think of alternatives. It is to Hazare's credit
>>> that he did not bring in any religion in, Islam, Christianity,
>>> Hinduism, Buddhism to bring about change in his adopted village.
>>
>> If you read about him without rose-colored glasses, you would see that
>> he made the temple the center of his reform movement(which I don't have
>> a problem with- it should have been done centuries before). If that is
>> not "bringing any religion in", I don't know what would be. But what I'm
>> taking issue with is the kangaroo-court method of administering
>> "justice".
>>
>>
>
> Are you that spooked by temples that nothing good can ever come out of
> one. So, Annasaheb repaired the temple and so, he got his village folks
> to pitch in. So what?

I'm not a bit "spooked" by temples. What I was pointing out was that,
contrary to the claim made by Joshi, Anna Hazare _did_ make the temple
the focal point, if you will, of change. He did not use, for example,
the village panchayat office, or some other generic public building.

"Today, as in the very beginning, the village temple is the heart of
Hazare's movement. Anna himself lives there, in a small room cluttered
with files and documents. All day long, the temple is crowded with
people attending prayer sessions, religious discourses, and meetings."
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/story/anna-hazare-a-profile/1/134647.html

What works for him, works for him. But let's not ascribe secularism
where it does not exist.

> There has not been a single instance where he has
> invoked this deity or the other, nor has there been an instance where he
> has denigrated any other religion in this current fight against
> corruption.

I agree. I have no issues with him on this score. My only quibble is
about skirting the regular channels of law-making and/or enforcement. I
am very averse, to the point of being allergic, to mob enforcement of
legal or extra-legal decrees. There is an official mechanism for
enforcement of laws, and there are official channels to seek redress of
complaints.

> The man has confessed to changing his life around by reading
> a booklet of Swami Vivekananda, a booklet he bought a railway station.
> After that he became a teetotaler and active in doing work rather than
> sit on his haunches and shoot the breeze.

Kudos to him for that.


> Some of the methods he has used in transforming Ralegan Siddhi are
> unorthodox, but he has succeeded where most governments have failed -
> giving a people a sense of purpose and a sense of community. Was he
> supposed to wait in line for government babus to magically transform
> Ralegan Siddhi? Was he supposed to sport a "chalta hai" attitude? The
> elitist attitude of urbanites towards a rural 7th grade educated person
> is appalling. We have INC snobs look down upon the "rustic". The
> Marxists have disapproved of his "tactics" - rich coming from violent
> monkeys. Dalit "leaders" have seen "manuvadi" and "jativadi" taint in
> his movement. Arundhati Roy has blasted him for "nationalism". Hell, if
> Ms. Roy has spoken against Annasaheb, then he must be absolutely right.
> Perhaps Ms. Roy forgot that her former favorite Medha Patkar is squarely
> behind Hazare. :-)


--
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http://www.seesharppress.com/astro.html

Ass-troll-ogers/jyotishitheads are the bane of humanity, and must be
cleansed or otherwise purified for the benefit of society.

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Myself, Mallu. Yourself?
2011-08-23 14:35:22 UTC
Permalink
On 8/22/2011 7:29 AM, P. Rajah wrote:
> On 8/22/2011 9:06 AM, Myself, Mallu. Yourself? wrote:
>
>> On 8/21/2011 10:12 PM, P. Rajah wrote:
>>> On 8/21/2011 12:36 PM, DMJoshi wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Aug 21, 4:16 pm, "P. Rajah"<***@this.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 8/21/2011 1:39 AM, DMJoshi wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> While I agree that Anna Hazare has indeed done a lot of good, no
>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>> or organization has the right to set themselves up as
>>>>>>> extra-constitutional arbiters on law and justice. It inevitably
>>>>>>> leads to
>>>>>>> authoritarianism.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Obviously drinking was keeping life in Ralegaon Siddhi poor.
>>>>>> How should he have dealt with the problem when he recognised it as
>>>>>> one.
>>>>>> Surely he could not have flogged any one if there was no support from
>>>>>> those women and children who were kept in poverty because of drinking
>>>>>> of their breadwinners.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does he flog gamblers too? Or men who don't work and thus keep their
>>>>> women and children in poverty?
>>>>
>>>> I am sure he would have done that, but doubt if gambling is a rural
>>>> problem. As to not work and have wife and children is unlikely to be
>>>> there in India, not having doles there.
>>>
>>> You are saying that in India, every man who has a wife and children is a
>>> hard-working upright fellow? No slackers among Indian married men, eh?
>>>
>>>>>> May be he should have led women of the village in doing that as in
>>>>>> some north east regions of India.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe he should form khap panchayats as in some northern regions of
>>>>> India, or sharia councils as in some Islamic countries. You obviously
>>>>> don't get the point that making and enforcement of laws should not
>>>>> be in
>>>>> the hands of private individuals.
>>>>
>>>> What should be and what should not be is arm chair philosophising.
>>>> When law and order is the way it is in India people who want to bring
>>>> about change have to think of alternatives. It is to Hazare's credit
>>>> that he did not bring in any religion in, Islam, Christianity,
>>>> Hinduism, Buddhism to bring about change in his adopted village.
>>>
>>> If you read about him without rose-colored glasses, you would see that
>>> he made the temple the center of his reform movement(which I don't have
>>> a problem with- it should have been done centuries before). If that is
>>> not "bringing any religion in", I don't know what would be. But what I'm
>>> taking issue with is the kangaroo-court method of administering
>>> "justice".
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Are you that spooked by temples that nothing good can ever come out of
>> one. So, Annasaheb repaired the temple and so, he got his village folks
>> to pitch in. So what?
>
> I'm not a bit "spooked" by temples. What I was pointing out was that,
> contrary to the claim made by Joshi, Anna Hazare _did_ make the temple
> the focal point, if you will, of change. He did not use, for example,
> the village panchayat office, or some other generic public building.
>

Don't recall anyone "mangoes" (aam aadmis) being allowed to squat in
"gormint" buildings to bring about any sort of change. His little room
adjacent to the temple was/is that focal point. I suppose he could have
sat under a neem or peepul tree as a "religion neutral" venue, but he
would have become a "baba" because neem and peepul trees are also
"sacred". :-)

> "Today, as in the very beginning, the village temple is the heart of
> Hazare's movement. Anna himself lives there, in a small room cluttered
> with files and documents. All day long, the temple is crowded with
> people attending prayer sessions, religious discourses, and meetings."
> http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/story/anna-hazare-a-profile/1/134647.html
>

The same article talks about his myriad trips to Bombay to supplicate
government officials to help in the development of his village, and that
these trips were fruitless. No point banging one's head against a wall.
Bureaucrats understand protests better.

> What works for him, works for him. But let's not ascribe secularism
> where it does not exist.
>

Sure. No point ascribing religious motives to a political movement when
such motives do not exist. The INC has tried that by propping up a
"herbal supplements" peddler and failed.

>> There has not been a single instance where he has
>> invoked this deity or the other, nor has there been an instance where he
>> has denigrated any other religion in this current fight against
>> corruption.
>
> I agree. I have no issues with him on this score. My only quibble is
> about skirting the regular channels of law-making and/or enforcement. I
> am very averse, to the point of being allergic, to mob enforcement of
> legal or extra-legal decrees. There is an official mechanism for
> enforcement of laws, and there are official channels to seek redress of
> complaints.
>

Well, the man worked tirelessly into getting the RTI Act of Maharashtra
passed. He did have dialogs with elected representatives, esp. Sushil
Shinde (CM of Mah.). He did work with them to draft the bill, but the
bill's passage was left to the assembly, and enforcement was left to the
government. I don't recall any provisions in the bill that said one had
to run off to Ralegan Siddhi for any arbitration/enforcement - no Anna Sena.

In the current movement too, what is being asked for is a Lokpal bill
with teeth, and not the wishy washy government version with just lots of
wiggle room. I don't believe any procedures have been violated, and no
claim has been made that Ralegan Siddhi is the new capital of India. The
movement is very clear that it is for the government to draft/pass the
bill, but with inputs from the people the government claims to represent
- there is nationwide support for this anti-corruption movement. The
real "quibble" is about the finer points of who does or does not come
under the ambit of the bill. This little bit is where there is room for
compromise. To me the real worry should be about the "independence" of a
national ombudsman - who minds the keeper? Is this a 4th branch of
government now?

>> The man has confessed to changing his life around by reading
>> a booklet of Swami Vivekananda, a booklet he bought a railway station.
>> After that he became a teetotaler and active in doing work rather than
>> sit on his haunches and shoot the breeze.
>
> Kudos to him for that.
>
>
>> Some of the methods he has used in transforming Ralegan Siddhi are
>> unorthodox, but he has succeeded where most governments have failed -
>> giving a people a sense of purpose and a sense of community. Was he
>> supposed to wait in line for government babus to magically transform
>> Ralegan Siddhi? Was he supposed to sport a "chalta hai" attitude? The
>> elitist attitude of urbanites towards a rural 7th grade educated person
>> is appalling. We have INC snobs look down upon the "rustic". The
>> Marxists have disapproved of his "tactics" - rich coming from violent
>> monkeys. Dalit "leaders" have seen "manuvadi" and "jativadi" taint in
>> his movement. Arundhati Roy has blasted him for "nationalism". Hell, if
>> Ms. Roy has spoken against Annasaheb, then he must be absolutely right.
>> Perhaps Ms. Roy forgot that her former favorite Medha Patkar is squarely
>> behind Hazare. :-)
>
>


--
VB, Just itchy
'ome=shanty
Myself, Mallu. Yourself?
2011-08-21 15:48:37 UTC
Permalink
On 8/20/2011 7:48 PM, P. Rajah wrote:
> On 8/20/2011 12:10 PM, Myself, Mallu. Yourself? wrote:
>
>> On 8/19/2011 8:18 AM, P. Rajah wrote:
>>> [....]
>>>
>>> I read that Anna Hazare personally flogged some of the villagers found
>>> to have been drinking. Also, that when he was arrested in the 90s, the
>>> BJP and Shiv Sena refused to support him.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> While reading the Wiki page on Annasaheb, I did find a reference to a
>> 1986 article by Mohan Sivanand (appeared in the Indian Reader's Digest).
>> The article is worth a read
>>
>> http://www.readersdigest.co.in/anna-hazare
>
> While I agree that Anna Hazare has indeed done a lot of good, no person
> or organization has the right to set themselves up as
> extra-constitutional arbiters on law and justice. It inevitably leads to
> authoritarianism.
>
> "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely"
> -- Lord Acton
>
>

I don't believe there are Hazare courts, Hazare "tax collection"
centers, Hazare militias, ... In short, I don't think he is asking to be
"Emperor of Hindustan". If there is evidence to the contrary, provide
it. There is no point in speculating about what might be. At 70+, it is
unlikely he'll make a move on Delhi. Even if tries, Indians will sort
out the problem - they ain't "sheeple" :-)

That said, Hazare's movement does have saner and more moderate voices -
Kejriwal, Bedi, Bhushan Jr. are open to negotiation on the finer points
of the Lokpal Bill. Aruna Roy of the NAC has also indicated that there
is still time for civil inputs to the bill. Snobs like Sibal and PC are
also finally coming around. However, the issue still boils to one of
leadership in government - MMS hasn't shown any in the current impasse.
_He_ is the "emperor" of Hindustan, and he better get off his hiney and
work. Rats have had a jolly good time in his government, and enough is
enough.


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P. Rajah
2011-08-22 04:49:51 UTC
Permalink
On 8/21/2011 11:48 AM, Myself, Mallu. Yourself? wrote:

> On 8/20/2011 7:48 PM, P. Rajah wrote:
>> On 8/20/2011 12:10 PM, Myself, Mallu. Yourself? wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/19/2011 8:18 AM, P. Rajah wrote:
>>>> [....]
>>>>
>>>> I read that Anna Hazare personally flogged some of the villagers found
>>>> to have been drinking. Also, that when he was arrested in the 90s, the
>>>> BJP and Shiv Sena refused to support him.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> While reading the Wiki page on Annasaheb, I did find a reference to a
>>> 1986 article by Mohan Sivanand (appeared in the Indian Reader's Digest).
>>> The article is worth a read
>>>
>>> http://www.readersdigest.co.in/anna-hazare
>>
>> While I agree that Anna Hazare has indeed done a lot of good, no person
>> or organization has the right to set themselves up as
>> extra-constitutional arbiters on law and justice. It inevitably leads to
>> authoritarianism.
>>
>> "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely"
>> -- Lord Acton
>>
>>
>
> I don't believe there are Hazare courts, Hazare "tax collection"
> centers, Hazare militias, ... In short, I don't think he is asking to be
> "Emperor of Hindustan". If there is evidence to the contrary, provide
> it. There is no point in speculating about what might be.

To the contrary, there is every point in observing that he has
instituted what amounts to extra-judicial courts, and "instant"
punishment for violating the pronouncements of those courts. While a
town or a village has every right to make laws pertaining to the sale of
alcohol and tobacco within its jurisdiction, prosecuting violators of
those laws, and prosecuting those who violate the *spirit*(no pun
intended!) of those laws outside of the jurisdiction must fall within
the guidelines of the state's law-enforcement. The last I had heard,
flogging was not an acceptable form of punishment for civil(or even
criminal) violations in India.


> At 70+, it is
> unlikely he'll make a move on Delhi. Even if tries, Indians will sort
> out the problem - they ain't "sheeple" :-)

Really?


> That said, Hazare's movement does have saner and more moderate voices -
> Kejriwal, Bedi, Bhushan Jr. are open to negotiation on the finer points
> of the Lokpal Bill. Aruna Roy of the NAC has also indicated that there
> is still time for civil inputs to the bill. Snobs like Sibal and PC are
> also finally coming around. However, the issue still boils to one of
> leadership in government - MMS hasn't shown any in the current impasse.
> _He_ is the "emperor" of Hindustan, and he better get off his hiney and
> work. Rats have had a jolly good time in his government, and enough is
> enough.


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Myself, Mallu. Yourself?
2011-08-22 12:46:48 UTC
Permalink
On 8/21/2011 9:49 PM, P. Rajah wrote:
> On 8/21/2011 11:48 AM, Myself, Mallu. Yourself? wrote:
>
>> On 8/20/2011 7:48 PM, P. Rajah wrote:
>>> On 8/20/2011 12:10 PM, Myself, Mallu. Yourself? wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8/19/2011 8:18 AM, P. Rajah wrote:
>>>>> [....]
>>>>>
>>>>> I read that Anna Hazare personally flogged some of the villagers found
>>>>> to have been drinking. Also, that when he was arrested in the 90s, the
>>>>> BJP and Shiv Sena refused to support him.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> While reading the Wiki page on Annasaheb, I did find a reference to a
>>>> 1986 article by Mohan Sivanand (appeared in the Indian Reader's
>>>> Digest).
>>>> The article is worth a read
>>>>
>>>> http://www.readersdigest.co.in/anna-hazare
>>>
>>> While I agree that Anna Hazare has indeed done a lot of good, no person
>>> or organization has the right to set themselves up as
>>> extra-constitutional arbiters on law and justice. It inevitably leads to
>>> authoritarianism.
>>>
>>> "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely"
>>> -- Lord Acton
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I don't believe there are Hazare courts, Hazare "tax collection"
>> centers, Hazare militias, ... In short, I don't think he is asking to be
>> "Emperor of Hindustan". If there is evidence to the contrary, provide
>> it. There is no point in speculating about what might be.
>
> To the contrary, there is every point in observing that he has
> instituted what amounts to extra-judicial courts, and "instant"
> punishment for violating the pronouncements of those courts. While a
> town or a village has every right to make laws pertaining to the sale of
> alcohol and tobacco within its jurisdiction, prosecuting violators of
> those laws, and prosecuting those who violate the *spirit*(no pun
> intended!) of those laws outside of the jurisdiction must fall within
> the guidelines of the state's law-enforcement. The last I had heard,
> flogging was not an acceptable form of punishment for civil(or even
> criminal) violations in India.
>

Read the Wiki page on Annasaheb

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kisan_Baburao_Hazare

Esp. read about the 'prohibition' bit. I wish people would stop
demonizing the guy, who has devoted most of his life to Ralegan Siddhi,
and later to Maharashtra. In most cases, he has had success in getting
laws enacted by Mah. assembly to curb corruption. Heck, he managed to
get rid of Babanrao Gholap, Padamsinh Patil (on trial now for murder,
what else?), and other NCP luminaries. He has not succeeded in getting
the big fish - Pawar. :-)

>
>> At 70+, it is
>> unlikely he'll make a move on Delhi. Even if tries, Indians will sort
>> out the problem - they ain't "sheeple" :-)
>
> Really?
>

Proved in 1977, after "sampoorna kranti" of JP was crushed by the
Emergency. IG1 got sorted out rather nicely. :-)

>
>> That said, Hazare's movement does have saner and more moderate voices -
>> Kejriwal, Bedi, Bhushan Jr. are open to negotiation on the finer points
>> of the Lokpal Bill. Aruna Roy of the NAC has also indicated that there
>> is still time for civil inputs to the bill. Snobs like Sibal and PC are
>> also finally coming around. However, the issue still boils to one of
>> leadership in government - MMS hasn't shown any in the current impasse.
>> _He_ is the "emperor" of Hindustan, and he better get off his hiney and
>> work. Rats have had a jolly good time in his government, and enough is
>> enough.
>
>


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'ome=shanty
Satish Kumar
2011-08-20 22:11:25 UTC
Permalink
On Aug 19, 8:18 am, "P. Rajah" <***@this.com> wrote:
>
> I read that Anna Hazare personally flogged some of the villagers found
> to have been drinking. Also, that when he was arrested in the 90s, the
> BJP and Shiv Sena refused to support him.
>

Ayatollah Khomeni's murderous fatwa against Salman Rushdie would have
been undemocratic/illegal even if it had support of the majority in
Iran. Anna Hazare's flogging cannot be supported even if majority of
the villagers were for it. Lynching has no place in a democratic set
up.

Flogging (whether done personally or through loyal minions) had to be
illegal. Was Anna Hazare ever convicted for his illegal/brutal act?
P. Rajah
2011-08-21 02:25:43 UTC
Permalink
On 8/20/2011 6:11 PM, Satish Kumar wrote:

> On Aug 19, 8:18 am, "P. Rajah"<***@this.com> wrote:
>>
>> I read that Anna Hazare personally flogged some of the villagers found
>> to have been drinking. Also, that when he was arrested in the 90s, the
>> BJP and Shiv Sena refused to support him.
>>
>
> Ayatollah Khomeni's murderous fatwa against Salman Rushdie would have
> been undemocratic/illegal even if it had support of the majority in
> Iran. Anna Hazare's flogging cannot be supported even if majority of
> the villagers were for it. Lynching has no place in a democratic set
> up.
>
> Flogging (whether done personally or through loyal minions) had to be
> illegal. Was Anna Hazare ever convicted for his illegal/brutal act?

I don't think anyone had the courage to undertake any litigation on this
account. Presumably, that, too, would have invited a flogging.....


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Myself, Mallu. Yourself?
2011-08-21 16:10:11 UTC
Permalink
On 8/20/2011 3:11 PM, Satish Kumar wrote:
> On Aug 19, 8:18 am, "P. Rajah"<***@this.com> wrote:
>>
>> I read that Anna Hazare personally flogged some of the villagers found
>> to have been drinking. Also, that when he was arrested in the 90s, the
>> BJP and Shiv Sena refused to support him.
>>
>
> Ayatollah Khomeni's murderous fatwa against Salman Rushdie would have
> been undemocratic/illegal even if it had support of the majority in
> Iran. Anna Hazare's flogging cannot be supported even if majority of
> the villagers were for it. Lynching has no place in a democratic set
> up.
>

Down, boy! No one lynched anyone in Ralegan Siddhi. One instance of
flogging some 30+ years ago, and you draw all kinds of parallels to
ayatollahs, fatwas, ... Only bhaiyya idiots without a clue about the
current issue will squawk about it.

> Flogging (whether done personally or through loyal minions) had to be
> illegal. Was Anna Hazare ever convicted for his illegal/brutal act?
>

There cannot be a conviction if there is no FIR. Stick to hunting Paki
war criminals in B'desh.

--
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'ome=shanty
Satish Kumar
2011-08-22 01:57:15 UTC
Permalink
On Aug 21, 9:10 am, "Myself, Mallu. Yourself?"
<***@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 8/20/2011 3:11 PM, Satish Kumar wrote:
>
> > On Aug 19, 8:18 am, "P. Rajah"<***@this.com>  wrote:
>
> >> I read that Anna Hazare personally flogged some of the villagers found
> >> to have been drinking. Also, that when he was arrested in the 90s, the
> >> BJP and Shiv Sena refused to support him.
>
> > Ayatollah Khomeni's murderous fatwa against Salman Rushdie  would have
> > been undemocratic/illegal even if it had support of the majority in
> > Iran. Anna Hazare's flogging cannot be supported even if majority of
> > the villagers were for it. Lynching has no place in a democratic set
> > up.
>
> Down, boy! No one lynched anyone in Ralegan Siddhi. One instance of
> flogging some 30+ years ago, and you draw all kinds of parallels to
> ayatollahs, fatwas, ... Only bhaiyya idiots without a clue about the
> current issue will squawk about it.
>

A Mallu-idiot seems to be getting totally bent out of shape!! You need
to add more water to the milk you buy.


You have to be really clueless if you can pooh pooh "One instance of
flogging some 30+ years ago". Such flogging is a crime. If the crime
has not been repeated in the last 30 years, it is more likely from
lack of opportunity rather than because of repentance.


>
> > Flogging (whether done personally or through loyal minions) had to be
> > illegal. Was Anna Hazare ever convicted for his illegal/brutal act?
>
> There cannot be a conviction if there is no FIR. Stick to hunting Paki
> war criminals in B'desh.
>

That's pathetic. Even Anna Hazare himself will probably choose
shamefaced silence in face of the criticism. Not quite sure why you
are getting so worked up.

As for war crimes, it is not unprecedented in post WW II era for
criminals to be brought to trial even after 30+ years of the crime.

Stick to playing the straight man to sidekick Dayashankar.

>
> --
> VB, Just itchy
> 'ome=shanty
Satish Kumar
2011-08-22 02:48:25 UTC
Permalink
On Aug 21, 9:10 am, "Myself, Mallu. Yourself?"
<***@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 8/20/2011 3:11 PM, Satish Kumar wrote:
>
> > On Aug 19, 8:18 am, "P. Rajah"<***@this.com>  wrote:
>
> >> I read that Anna Hazare personally flogged some of the villagers found
> >> to have been drinking. Also, that when he was arrested in the 90s, the
> >> BJP and Shiv Sena refused to support him.
>
> > Ayatollah Khomeni's murderous fatwa against Salman Rushdie  would have
> > been undemocratic/illegal even if it had support of the majority in
> > Iran. Anna Hazare's flogging cannot be supported even if majority of
> > the villagers were for it. Lynching has no place in a democratic set
> > up.
>
> Down, boy! No one lynched anyone in Ralegan Siddhi. One instance of
> flogging some 30+ years ago, and you draw all kinds of parallels to
> ayatollahs, fatwas, ... Only bhaiyya idiots without a clue about the
> current issue will squawk about it.
>

A Mallu-idiot seems to be getting totally bent out of shape!! Must be
indigestion - you need to add more water to the milk you buy from your
neighborhood bhaiya.


You have to be really clueless if you can pooh pooh "One instance of
flogging some 30+ years ago". The flogging was a crime. If the crime
has not been repeated in the last 30 years, it is more likely from
lack of opportunity rather than because of repentance.


> > Flogging (whether done personally or through loyal minions) had to be
> > illegal. Was Anna Hazare ever convicted for his illegal/brutal act?
> There cannot be a conviction if there is no FIR. Stick to hunting Paki
> war criminals in B'desh.


That's pathetic. Not quite sure why you are getting so worked up.
Even Anna Hazare himself will probably be prudent enough to choose
shamefaced silence in face of the criticism. But you have to be more
loyal than the king!


As for war crimes, it is not unprecedented in post WW II era for
criminals to be brought to trial even after 30+ years of the crime.


Stick to coddling your sidekick Dayashankar - continue to get him to
play the straight man so that you can continue to have your "witty"
say.


>
> --
> VB, Just itchy
> 'ome=shanty
DMJoshi
2011-08-22 07:32:30 UTC
Permalink
Satish Kumar
2011-08-22 18:25:16 UTC
Permalink
On Aug 22, 12:32 am, DMJoshi <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 22, 3:48 am, Satish Kumar <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > play the straight man
>
> मेरा भी सीधा ही लगेगा.

Does Hansa Joshi know about your posts? Or do you do them behind
Hansaben's back?


Be careful. If she ever comes to know of your dirty posts, she might
make you gulp down a bottle of drain cleaner to cleanse you of your
filthy thoughts. And then she will get the ambulance to have you taken
to Northwick Park Hospital for a thorough flushing.
Myself, Mallu. Yourself?
2011-08-22 12:48:46 UTC
Permalink
On 8/21/2011 7:48 PM, Satish Kumar wrote:
> On Aug 21, 9:10 am, "Myself, Mallu. Yourself?"
> <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 8/20/2011 3:11 PM, Satish Kumar wrote:
>>
>>> On Aug 19, 8:18 am, "P. Rajah"<***@this.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> I read that Anna Hazare personally flogged some of the villagers found
>>>> to have been drinking. Also, that when he was arrested in the 90s, the
>>>> BJP and Shiv Sena refused to support him.
>>
>>> Ayatollah Khomeni's murderous fatwa against Salman Rushdie would have
>>> been undemocratic/illegal even if it had support of the majority in
>>> Iran. Anna Hazare's flogging cannot be supported even if majority of
>>> the villagers were for it. Lynching has no place in a democratic set
>>> up.
>>
>> Down, boy! No one lynched anyone in Ralegan Siddhi. One instance of
>> flogging some 30+ years ago, and you draw all kinds of parallels to
>> ayatollahs, fatwas, ... Only bhaiyya idiots without a clue about the
>> current issue will squawk about it.
>>
>
> A Mallu-idiot seems to be getting totally bent out of shape!! Must be
> indigestion - you need to add more water to the milk you buy from your
> neighborhood bhaiya.
>

The idiot is you, boy! Dimwitted git, you stuck your two goddamn watered
down cents where they didn't belong. As for milk and water, stupid
doodhwala, take your phoney philosophy and stick it where the sun don't
shine. Your "(mis)quotes" from the Markandey Puran was enough to
convince me that you are a fraud.

Yes, I do get bent out of shape when a civil activist, who, as far as I
know, has never ever invoked any religion to fight corruption, is
likened to an ayatollah and his activism to fatwas. Pick your words
carefully doodhwala. As far as I know his only "religious activity" has
been in the repair of the temple at Ralegan Siddhi. You've been hanging
around the wrong kind of people, boy.

>
> You have to be really clueless if you can pooh pooh "One instance of
> flogging some 30+ years ago". The flogging was a crime. If the crime
> has not been repeated in the last 30 years, it is more likely from
> lack of opportunity rather than because of repentance.
>

Yes, flogging is a crime, and Annasaheb has never hidden that fact that
he did it. To make it look like floggings are routine in Ralegan Siddhi
says, again, you're hanging out with wrong of jihadi crowd, doodhwala.
Do you even know where Ralegan Siddhi is, doodhwala? Do you know what a
"gram sabha" (not panchayat) is? Have you even met Annasaheb in person?
If you haven't, STFU, or continue to smoke some of the transvestite
babaji's "herbal supplements".

Your attitude is very typical fucking S.Asian. One person decides that a
scam a day is one too many and decides to do something about it, and
there are all kinds of people wondering about his motives, and
floggings, and fatwas etc. Annasaheb is _not_ the issue in this
movement. At issue is whether Parliament will have the balls to enact a
Lokpal bill that brings all government (including the PM) within its
ambit, and whether a PM will stop being a manager and start exhibiting
leadership. In the end it is Parliament that is supreme and one that
enacts laws, but laws/bills based on inputs from the people. Dig, doodhwala?

I disagree with the rigid positions taken by both sides - civil and
government - and think there is room for compromise. I also think that
the Lokpal bill should not include the judiciary. Judiciary has to be
dealt with in another bill - Judicial Accountability Bill is what the
government is working on.

>
>>> Flogging (whether done personally or through loyal minions) had to be
>>> illegal. Was Anna Hazare ever convicted for his illegal/brutal act?
>> There cannot be a conviction if there is no FIR. Stick to hunting Paki
>> war criminals in B'desh.
>
>
> That's pathetic. Not quite sure why you are getting so worked up.
> Even Anna Hazare himself will probably be prudent enough to choose
> shamefaced silence in face of the criticism. But you have to be more
> loyal than the king!
>

Bollocks, doodhwala! Whatever he (Annasaheb) has done has _always_ been
in the bloody open - yeah, even his Rs. 2L "birthday bash" that had
several people get their knickers in a knot. Funny, how no one questions
"bashes" put on by others using public money. So, why don't _you_ file
an FIR on the flogging and take the case to its legal extent? Do kauri
ka chootiya B'deshi doodhwala, yahaan khali phukat bakwaas naheen karne ka.

>
> As for war crimes, it is not unprecedented in post WW II era for
> criminals to be brought to trial even after 30+ years of the crime.
>

Yeah, haul ass to Pakiland and file FIRs, dimwitted milkman. Your pious
cant here is pure bakwaas, a la Curry Ku.

>
> Stick to coddling your sidekick Dayashankar - continue to get him to
> play the straight man so that you can continue to have your "witty"
> say.
>

Stupid fucking idiot, right now you are arguing with me. No need to drag
in Joshiji or anybody else. Besides, it is my choice whom I want to
"coddle". B'deshi doodhwala, itni tumhari auqaat naheen.

Dimwit, you think you are "witty", don't you? Your repetitious garbage
is actually tiresome and "shitty." Stupid B'deshi shill, your only
"aptitude" is to keep cutting-and-pasting the same tired crap over and
over again, a la the Muckeraj. Stick to sparring with idiots like M J
Iqbal. Bugger off, lad!


>
>>
>> --
>> VB, Just itchy
>> 'ome=shanty
>


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Satish Kumar
2011-08-22 18:14:25 UTC
Permalink
On Aug 22, 5:48 am, "Myself, Mallu. Yourself?"
<***@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 8/21/2011 7:48 PM, Satish Kumar wrote:
>
> > On Aug 21, 9:10 am, "Myself, Mallu. Yourself?"
> > <***@gmail.com>  wrote:
> >> On 8/20/2011 3:11 PM, Satish Kumar wrote:
>
> >>> On Aug 19, 8:18 am, "P. Rajah"<***@this.com>    wrote:
>
> >>>> I read that Anna Hazare personally flogged some of the villagers found
> >>>> to have been drinking. Also, that when he was arrested in the 90s, the
> >>>> BJP and Shiv Sena refused to support him.
>
> >>> Ayatollah Khomeni's murderous fatwa against Salman Rushdie  would have
> >>> been undemocratic/illegal even if it had support of the majority in
> >>> Iran. Anna Hazare's flogging cannot be supported even if majority of
> >>> the villagers were for it. Lynching has no place in a democratic set
> >>> up.
>
> >> Down, boy! No one lynched anyone in Ralegan Siddhi. One instance of
> >> flogging some 30+ years ago, and you draw all kinds of parallels to
> >> ayatollahs, fatwas, ... Only bhaiyya idiots without a clue about the
> >> current issue will squawk about it.
>
> > A Mallu-idiot seems to be getting totally bent out of shape!! Must be
> > indigestion - you need to add more water to the milk you buy from your
> > neighborhood bhaiya.
>
> The idiot is you, boy!

You are the idiot, you dimwitted idleewala! Pull up your kaili.
.

> Dimwitted git, you stuck your two goddamn watered
> down cents where they didn't belong.

Who are you to decide what belongs where?

> As for milk and water, stupid
> doodhwala, take your phoney philosophy and stick it where the sun don't
> shine. Your "(mis)quotes" from the Markandey Puran was enough to
> convince me that you are a fraud.
>

Your anger is getting the better of you. Lord Krishna shared his life
with doodhwalas - it most certainly didn't effect his ability to
deliver the Geeta at Kurukshetra.

Don't get so uptight about milk even if you suffer from severe lactose
intolerance. Add enough water before drinking it. More importantly,
avoid over-fermented idlee. It does no good to your ability to think
straight. And it keeps you blasting like Chatur Ramalingam.


>
> Yes, I do get bent out of shape when a civil activist, who, as far as I
> know, has never ever invoked any religion to fight corruption, is
> likened to an ayatollah and his activism to fatwas.


It was certainly quite ayatollah-like to impose flogging on people
that didn't abide by his diktat. It must be indigestion that is
getting you so fired up over this. Do try milk with more water - it
might improve your disposition.


> Pick your words
> carefully doodhwala.

Use your brain for a change, idleewala.

> As far as I know his only "religious activity" has
> been in the repair of the temple at Ralegan Siddhi. You've been hanging
> around the wrong kind of people, boy.
>

Does it really matter whether Anna Hazare picked up his passion for
flogging from an ayatollah or at a temple? Avoid over-fermented idlees
and you might yet succeed in engaging your brain for a change.

>
> > You have to be really clueless if you can pooh pooh  "One instance of
> > flogging some 30+ years ago". The flogging was a crime. If the crime
> > has not been repeated in the last 30 years, it is more likely from
> > lack of opportunity rather than because of repentance.
>
> Yes, flogging is a crime, and Annasaheb has never hidden that fact that
> he did it.

Did he spend time in a penitentiary to atone for his crime? Or does he
think he is above the law?

> To make it look like floggings are routine in Ralegan Siddhi
> says, again, you're hanging out with wrong of jihadi crowd, doodhwala.


Idleewala, over-fermented idlees are interfering with your ability to
engage your brain. Floggings are illegal regardless of whether they
are inflicted sparingly or routinely. Furthermore, it would be
imprudent not to be wary of the authoritarian streak it reveals.


> Do you even know where Ralegan Siddhi is, doodhwala? Do you know what a
> "gram sabha" (not panchayat) is? Have you even met Annasaheb in person?
> If you haven't, STFU, or continue to smoke some of the transvestite
> babaji's "herbal supplements".
>

Chhi, chhi. Get a hold of yourself, idleewala. Pull up your kaili and
take a deep breath. Don't let your unholy emotions trump your brain
all the time.


Regardless of how often you have been within flogging distance of
Anna, you have not a leg to stand on for assuming that flogging is
halal if it is imposed sparingly rather than routinely. You might have
better luck trying to convert jihadis to your "enlightened" views on
flogging.


>
> Your attitude is very typical fucking S.Asian.

"fucking S.Asian"? What are you - a celibate N. Asian?

> One person decides that a
> scam a day is one too many and decides to do something about it, and
> there are all kinds of people wondering about his motives, and
> floggings, and fatwas etc.


It is certainly not uncommon for a self-righteous ayatollah to rail
against sin and crimes. But that does not make floggings ordered by
him any more halal.


> Annasaheb is _not_ the issue in this
> movement.


Regardless, it is not a crime to express disapproval of floggings.


> At issue is whether Parliament will have the balls to enact a
> Lokpal bill that brings all government (including the PM) within its
> ambit, and whether a PM will stop being a manager and start exhibiting
> leadership. In the end it is Parliament that is supreme and one that
> enacts laws, but laws/bills based on inputs from the people. Dig, doodhwala?
>


Now you are into plan B. You are preaching for no rhyme or reason. I
have not made any post on the Lokpal Bill. Nor have I discussed the
"movement".


It is not a crime to express disapproval of floggings regardless of
whether they are ordered by an ayatollah, a khap panchayat or by Anna
Hazare. Dig, idleewala?


>
> I disagree with the rigid positions taken by both sides - civil and
> government - and think there is room for compromise. I also think that
> the Lokpal bill should not include the judiciary. Judiciary has to be
> dealt with in another bill - Judicial Accountability Bill is what the
> government is working on.
>

More preaching. And once more, for no rhyme and reason.


>
> >>> Flogging (whether done personally or through loyal minions) had to be
> >>> illegal. Was Anna Hazare ever convicted for his illegal/brutal act?
> >> There cannot be a conviction if there is no FIR. Stick to hunting Paki
> >> war criminals in B'desh.
>
> > That's pathetic. Not quite sure why you are getting so worked up.
> > Even Anna Hazare himself will probably be prudent enough to choose
> > shamefaced silence in face of the criticism. But you have to be more
> > loyal than the king!
>
> Bollocks, doodhwala!


Same to you, idleewala.


> Whatever he (Annasaheb) has done has _always_ been
> in the bloody open - yeah, even his Rs. 2L "birthday bash" that had
> several people get their knickers in a knot.

Regardless of whether a person is an ayatollah, a baba or a swamy, he
would be violating the law if he orders Anna Hazare to be flogged for
enjoying a birthday bash.

Anna Hazare's judgement is certainly suspect if he is unrepentant for
the floggings he ordered.


> Funny, how no one questions
> "bashes" put on by others using public money. So, why don't _you_ file
> an FIR on the flogging and take the case to its legal extent? Do kauri
> ka chootiya B'deshi doodhwala, yahaan khali phukat bakwaas naheen karne ka.
>

Chhi, chhi, idleewala. Don't lose your temper. Continue to indulge in
as much "phukat bakwaas" as your heart desires. Just make sure that
you don't consume too many over-fermented idlees - it will leave you
blaming the world for your own blasts much as Chatur Ramalingam blamed
Raju for his own blasts.


>
> > As for war crimes, it is not unprecedented in post WW II era for
> > criminals to be brought to trial even after 30+ years of the crime.
>
> Yeah, haul ass to Pakiland and file FIRs, dimwitted milkman. Your pious
> cant here is pure bakwaas, a la Curry Ku.
>

Dimwitted idleewala, try not to lose your temper. It won't make your
cant anymore credible. Haul your ass anywhere you wish to, but just
don't be a Chatur Ramalingam blaming others for your own blasts.

>
> > Stick to coddling your sidekick Dayashankar - continue to get him to
> > play the straight man so that you can continue to have your "witty"
> > say.
>
> Stupid fucking idiot,

Chhi, chhi. You are worse than Chatur Ramalingam.

> right now you are arguing with me. No need to drag
> in Joshiji or anybody else. Besides, it is my choice whom I want to
> "coddle". B'deshi doodhwala, itni tumhari auqaat naheen.
>

It is certainly your choice, you dimwitted idleewala. Just try to
remember that what is sauce for the goose is ...

You can't stop me from expressing my views anymore than I can stop you
from expressing your views.


>
> Dimwit, you think you are "witty", don't you? Your repetitious garbage
> is actually tiresome and "shitty." Stupid B'deshi shill, your only
> "aptitude" is to keep cutting-and-pasting the same tired crap over and
> over again, a la the Muckeraj. Stick to sparring with idiots like M J
> Iqbal. Bugger off, lad!
>
>

The joke is on you, idleewala. You are the one who is full of himself,
much like Chatur Ramalingam. If you enjoy sparring with "Muckeraj" and
playing comedy with Dayananda, that's your choice. Continue to wallow
in the mud to your heart's content.

Have fun, Bhatthiri!
and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
2011-08-22 19:08:33 UTC
Permalink
In article <aa334bd3-e6c7-44fc-a618-***@j14g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
Satish Kumar <***@yahoo.com> posted:
>
> On Aug 21, 9:10=A0am, "Myself, Mallu. Yourself?"
> <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> . . .
>
>
> Stick to coddling your sidekick Dayashankar - continue to get him to
> play the straight man so that you can continue to have your "witty"
> say.

Ha-ha-ha -- the Convert and the Pervert!

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
DMJoshi
2011-08-17 12:14:58 UTC
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On Aug 16, 1:35 pm, Bholu <***@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Anna Hazare spent 200 hazar on his birthday bash last year. Buddha
> budmaash hai.

He got रंडीs from ळखनौ or हीरामंडी of लाहोर to dance for him?

> Yaani ke ram naam hai mukh mein - chhuri hai bagal mein.
>
> He will fade faster than a wet spot. Unfortunately he has fooled more
> people than Gandhi ji.
>
> Thanks bud.
Satish Kumar
2011-08-20 22:25:14 UTC
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P. Rajah
2011-08-21 03:00:08 UTC
Permalink
On 8/20/2011 6:25 PM, Satish Kumar wrote:

> On Aug 17, 5:14 am, DMJoshi<***@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> He got रंडीs from ळखनौ or हीरामंडी of लाहोर to dance for him?>
>>
>
>
> Take it easy Dayashankar. Anna Hazare is 74 (just a year older than
> you). It is doubtful that a senior citizen like him would care to
> dance even with a placid child of 4, let alone with "रंडीs from ळखनौ
> or हीरामंडी of लाहोर".

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/1130/1224284432295.html
http://gothamist.com/2011/08/04/bronx_priest_arrested_for_sexually.php


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Ass-troll-ogers/jyotishitheads are the bane of humanity, and must be
cleansed or otherwise purified for the benefit of society.

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/vhp-terrorism
DMJoshi
2011-08-21 05:14:43 UTC
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On Aug 21, 4:00 am, "P. Rajah" <***@this.com> wrote:

> http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/1130/1224284432295.html

> http://gothamist.com/2011/08/04/bronx_priest_arrested_for_sexually.php


I know you are responding to someone who conjured up things about me
which got Jay Stevens work over time.

My question

He got रंडीs from ळखनौ or हीरामंडी of लाहोर to dance for him?

to following.

On Aug 16, 1:35 pm, Bholu <***@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Anna Hazare spent 200 hazar on his birthday bash last year. Buddha
> budmaash hai.

Earlier the creep intercepted my question to one typical Muslim Zillur
Ahmed.
This time he had to speak for Bholu.

Wonder why.
Satish Kumar
2011-08-22 02:10:36 UTC
Permalink
On Aug 20, 10:14 pm, DMJoshi <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 21, 4:00 am, "P. Rajah" <***@this.com> wrote:
>
> >http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/1130/1224284432295.html
> >http://gothamist.com/2011/08/04/bronx_priest_arrested_for_sexually.php
>
> I know you are responding to someone who conjured up things about me
> which got Jay Stevens work over time.
>
> My question
>
> He got रंडीs from ळखनौ or हीरामंडी of लाहोर to dance for him?
>
> to following.
>
> On Aug 16, 1:35 pm, Bholu <***@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Anna Hazare spent 200 hazar on his birthday bash last year. Buddha
> > budmaash hai.
>
> Earlier the creep intercepted my question to one typical Muslim Zillur
> Ahmed.
> This time he had to speak for Bholu.
>
> Wonder why.

Try not to be paranoid. As for "typical Muslim Zillur Ahmed", hasn't
he already explained to the newsgroup why he wrote what he wrote about
you? If you didn't like his response, why didn't you explain why you
didn't agree with him? Isn't it because you didn't think you could
make a rational case for explaining your distaste for "typical Muslim
Zillur Ahmed"?

Contrary to your fond beliefs, religious bigotry is never a substitute
for facts and logic. Inveighing against Rajah the Christian or Zillur
the Muslim has not get you any farther than being a religious bigot.
DMJoshi
2011-08-22 05:59:42 UTC
Permalink
न मैंने कुछ लीखा, उसकी गांड ड्रीप ड्रीप होने लगती है.

On Aug 22, 3:10 am, Satish Kumar <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 20, 10:14 pm, DMJoshi <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 21, 4:00 am, "P. Rajah" <***@this.com> wrote:
>
> > >http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/1130/1224284432295.html
> > >http://gothamist.com/2011/08/04/bronx_priest_arrested_for_sexually.php
>
> > I know you are responding to someone who conjured up things about me
> > which got Jay Stevens work over time.
>
> > My question
>
> > He got रंडीs from ळखनौ or हीरामंडी of लाहोर to dance for him?
>
> > to following.
>
> > On Aug 16, 1:35 pm, Bholu <***@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Anna Hazare spent 200 hazar on his birthday bash last year. Buddha
> > > budmaash hai.
>
> > Earlier the creep intercepted my question to one typical Muslim Zillur
> > Ahmed.
> > This time he had to speak for Bholu.
>
> > Wonder why.
>
> Try not to be paranoid. As for "typical Muslim Zillur Ahmed", hasn't
> he already explained to the newsgroup why he wrote what he wrote about
> you? If you didn't like his response, why didn't you explain why you
> didn't agree with him? Isn't it because you didn't think you could
> make a rational case for explaining your distaste for "typical Muslim
> Zillur Ahmed"?
>
> Contrary to your fond beliefs, religious bigotry is never a substitute
> for facts and logic. Inveighing against Rajah the Christian or Zillur
> the Muslim has not get you any farther than being a religious bigot.
Satish Kumar
2011-08-22 18:24:39 UTC
Permalink
On Aug 21, 10:59 pm, DMJoshi <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> न मैंने कुछ लीखा, उसकी गांड ड्रीप ड्रीप होने लगती है.
>

Does Hansa Joshi know about your posts? Or do you do them behind
Hansaben's back?


Be careful. If she ever comes to know of your dirty posts, she might
make you gulp down a bottle of drain cleaner to cleanse you of your
filthy thoughts. And then she will get the ambulance to have you taken
to Northwick Park Hospital for a thorough flushing.


>
> > On Aug 20, 10:14 pm, DMJoshi <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 21, 4:00 am, "P. Rajah" <***@this.com> wrote:
>
> > > >http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/1130/1224284432295.html
> > > >http://gothamist.com/2011/08/04/bronx_priest_arrested_for_sexually.php
>
> > > I know you are responding to someone who conjured up things about me
> > > which got Jay Stevens work over time.
>
> > > My question
>
> > > He got रंडीs from ळखनौ or हीरामंडी of लाहोर to dance for him?
>
> > > to following.
>
> > > On Aug 16, 1:35 pm, Bholu <***@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Anna Hazare spent 200 hazar on his birthday bash last year. Buddha
> > > > budmaash hai.
>
> > > Earlier the creep intercepted my question to one typical Muslim Zillur
> > > Ahmed.
> > > This time he had to speak for Bholu.
>
> > > Wonder why.
>
> > Try not to be paranoid. As for "typical Muslim Zillur Ahmed", hasn't
> > he already explained to the newsgroup why he wrote what he wrote about
> > you? If you didn't like his response, why didn't you explain why you
> > didn't agree with him? Isn't it because you didn't think you could
> > make a rational case for explaining your distaste for "typical Muslim
> > Zillur Ahmed"?
>
> > Contrary to your fond beliefs, religious bigotry is never a substitute
> > for facts and logic. Inveighing against Rajah the Christian or Zillur
> > the Muslim has not get you any farther than being a religious bigot.
DMJoshi
2011-08-22 18:31:35 UTC
Permalink
On Aug 22, 7:24 pm, Satish Kumar <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 21, 10:59 pm, DMJoshi <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > न मैंने कुछ लीखा, उसकी गांड ड्रीप ड्रीप होने लगती है.
>
> Does Hansa Joshi know about your posts?

तेरी मा को पता है, बेटे.

> Or do you do them behind
> Hansaben's back?
>
> Be careful. If she ever comes to know of your dirty posts, she might
> make you  gulp down a bottle of drain cleaner to cleanse you of your
> filthy thoughts. And then she will get the ambulance to have you taken
> to Northwick Park Hospital for a thorough flushing
Nibir Datta
2011-08-22 18:48:13 UTC
Permalink
On Aug 22, 11:31 am, DMJoshi <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 22, 7:24 pm, Satish Kumar <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 21, 10:59 pm, DMJoshi <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > न मैंने कुछ लीखा, उसकी गांड ड्रीप ड्रीप होने लगती है.
>
> > Does Hansa Joshi know about your posts?
>
> तेरी मा को पता है, बेटे.
>

Regardless of all your grievances with Hansa Joshi, do heed her
advice.

It you don't like the psychiatrist at the Cygnet Hospital, do make an
appointment with the psychiatrist at Northwick Park Hospital that
Hansaben is recommending.

>
> >  Or do you do them behind
> > Hansaben's back?
>
> > Be careful. If she ever comes to know of your dirty posts, she might
> > make you  gulp down a bottle of drain cleaner to cleanse you of your
> > filthy thoughts. And then she will get the ambulance to have you taken
> > to Northwick Park Hospital for a thorough flushing.
Satish Kumar
2011-08-22 20:27:58 UTC
Permalink
On Aug 22, 11:31 am, DMJoshi <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 22, 7:24 pm, Satish Kumar <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 21, 10:59 pm, DMJoshi <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > न मैंने कुछ लीखा, उसकी गांड ड्रीप ड्रीप होने लगती है.
>
> > Does Hansa Joshi know about your posts?
>
> तेरी मा को पता है, बेटे.
>

Have you been missing sessions with your psychiatrist at Cygnet
Hospital?

Take Hansa Joshi's advice seriously. She has your welfare at heart.

If you don't like the psychiatrist at Cygnet Hospital, take Hansaben's
advice and make an appointment with the psychiatric department at
Northwick Park Hospital.

Skipping psychiatric sessions isn't smart - you might end locked up in
a lunatic asylum for the rest of your life.

>
> >  Or do you do them behind
> > Hansaben's back?
>
> > Be careful. If she ever comes to know of your dirty posts, she might
> > make you  gulp down a bottle of drain cleaner to cleanse you of your
> > filthy thoughts. And then she will get the ambulance to have you taken
> > to Northwick Park Hospital for a thorough flushing.
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