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trump will be a tyrant: trump will inherit vast Surveillance powers courtesy of the democrats: now the failure to curtail those powers means they pass on to Donald Trump: When Barack Obama took office in 2009, it was hoped that the new administration
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trump will be a tyrant: trump will inherit vast Surveillance powers courtesy of the democrats: now the failure to curtail those powers means they pass on to Donald Trump: When Barack Obama took office in 2009, it was hoped that the new administration might take steps to reform the program he had helped design in order to bring it in line with constitutional safeguards. Instead, what happened was the program’s expansion

if trump becomes a tyrant, its only because the democrats set up the infrastructure for him to be one.

https://consortiumnews.com/2016/12/16/trump-to-inherit-vast-surveillance-powers/
Trump to Inherit Vast Surveillance Powers
December 16, 2016

Many Democrats trusted President Obama with the vast surveillance powers inherited from President George W. Bush, but now the failure to curtail those powers means they pass on to Donald Trump, notes Nat Parry.
By Nat Parry
As the Electoral College gathers across the country on Monday to cast ballots for the 45th president of the United States – and the reality of a Trump administration draws closer – an overriding concern (beyond the questionable appointments of oil executives, billionaires and bankers to top cabinet posts) is what the Trump presidency might mean in terms of civil liberties, individual privacy and human rights.
For those who once dismissed the idea that there was anything particularly worrying about the mass surveillance conducted by the National Security Agency under the Bush and Obama administrations, as whistleblower Edward Snowden’s revelations confirmed more than three years ago, the fact that Donald J. Trump will now be inheriting these sweeping powers might put things into perspective. The same could be said about arbitrary detention, “enhanced interrogation” and assassinations.
With an incoming president who is reportedly compiling an “enemies list” in order to keep track of those who have shown a perceived lack of loyalty or disrespect – not to mention someone who compulsively takes to social media to denounce those seen as slighting or insulting him – perhaps now it is a bit more clear why allowing limitless government powers over individual privacy and other fundamental rights might not be such a good idea after all.
There is some irony, to say the least, that while Washington is now up in arms about the Russian government allegedly hacking emails from the Democratic National Committee, these same capabilities are now being freely handed over to Trump, who has stated that he wants surveillance of mosques and has spoken about how much he would like to have the power to hack the emails of his political opponents. “Honestly, I wish I had that power,” he said. “I’d love to have that power.”
One who has long been raising concerns over “that power” is William Binney, a former high-level NSA executive who helped create the agency’s mass surveillance program more than 15 years ago. In an interview with journalist James Bamford in 2012, Binney said that the United States is creeping dangerously close to totalitarianism. With his thumb and forefinger centimeters apart, Binney told Bamford, “We are, like, that far from a turnkey totalitarian state.”
Binney left the NSA in late 2001 after the agency launched its warrantless-wiretapping program. “They violated the Constitution setting it up,” he told Bamford, “but they didn’t care.”
When Barack Obama took office in 2009, Binney hoped that the new administration might take steps to reform the program he had helped design in order to bring it in line with constitutional safeguards. Instead, what happened was the program’s expansion.
Incredible Continuity
According to Michael Hayden, who was NSA Director from 1999 to 2005, Obama placed the program under more congressional oversight than Bush, but “in terms of what NSA is doing, there is incredible continuity between the two presidents.” In fact, the surveillance programs have expanded under Obama, Hayden says, and the spy agency now has more powers now than when he was in command.
This is saying a lot, considering that under Hayden’s watch, the NSA’s surveillance powers grew exponentially, particularly after several important programs were moved from the Pentagon’s Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) to the NSA’s Advanced Research and Development Activity in Fort Meade, Maryland.
While the public was led to believe that congressional action in 2003 killed DARPA’s controversial Total Information Awareness (TIA) program, the National Journal revealed in February 2006 that it was actually kept alive within NSA’s secret budget. The most important components were simply moved from DARPA and given new names at NSA.
TIA’s Information Awareness Prototype System, for example, was renamed “Basketball” at NSA, but still provided the basic architecture tying together information extraction, analysis and dissemination tools developed under TIA. Another piece of TIA, called Genoa II, was shifted to NSA and renamed “Topsail.”
Snowden later revealed several other secret NSA activities, such as PRISM, which targets the personal data of web users by accessing the servers of major internet companies, the Dishfire database that stores years of text messages from around the world, the Tracfin collection, which accumulates gigabytes of credit card purchases, and the NSA’s Polarbreeze hacking program. The NSA’s Tailored Access Operations division, Snowden revealed, breaks into computers around the world to steal data.
And thanks to the State Department’s diplomatic cables leaked by Army Private Chelsea Manning, currently serving a 35-year prison sentence for divulging government secrets, we know that Washington was using at least some of these tools in running a secret intelligence campaign that targeted the leadership of the United Nations and Security Council representatives from China, Russia, France and the United Kingdom.
Last February, WikiLeaks released more classified documents revealing how the NSA intercepted the communications of various heads of state, including Angela Merkel, Benjamin Netanyahu, Silvio Berlusconi and Nicolas Sarkozy, as well as U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon.
Recommended Reforms
Although the Snowden revelations led to the appointment by President Obama of a Review Group on Intelligence and Communications Technologies, which later issued a 300-page report with 46 recommendations to dramatically curtail the NSA’s surveillance powers, Snowden himself was vilified as a traitor by prominent Democrats such as Sens. Dianne Feinstein and Bill Nelson, and several congressional leaders called for his arrest and prosecution.
The ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, Rep. Adam B. Schiff, said that Snowden’s claims of acting in the public interest are “self-serving and false, and the damage done to our national security [is] profound.” While welcoming recommended reforms stemming from Snowden’s revelations, Jim Himes, the top Democrat on the House’s NSA and Cybersecurity Subcommittee, said that Snowden’s actions were “inconsistent with the estimable tradition of civil disobedience.”
On the campaign trail, Hillary Clinton flatly stated that “he broke the laws of the United States” and “stole very important information that has unfortunately fallen into a lot of the wrong hands.” Asked whether Snowden should be allowed to return to the United States, she said, “I don’t think he should be brought home without facing the music.”
Trump and other Republicans have not been any kinder to Snowden, with the President-elect calling him “a bad guy” who might be deserving of the death penalty.
After years of these bipartisan attacks against his character and motivations, public approval ratings for Snowden’s actions have plummeted. While polls conducted in June and July 2013 found that 55 percent viewed him as a “whistleblower” and just 34 percent saw him as a “traitor,” those numbers have largely flipped in the years since. According to a KRC Research poll released last year, 64 percent of Americans held a negative opinion of Snowden, while 36 percent viewed him positively. A Rasmussen survey released in September 2016 found that just 25 percent supported a presidential pardon.
Snowden remains to this day in Russia where he was stranded in June 2013 after U.S. authorities rescinded his passport and where he was subsequently granted asylum. As Snowden settled in to his life as an exile, the President’s commission appointed in response to his revelations stressed that future U.S. leaders should not be trusted with the current level of capabilities enjoyed by the NSA.
“We cannot discount the risk, in light of the lessons of our own history, that at some point in the future, high-level government officials will decide that this massive database of extraordinarily sensitive private information is there for the plucking. Americans must never make the mistake of wholly ‘trusting’ our public officials,” read the panel’s NSA report, published on Dec. 13, 2013.
The report’s recommended reforms included proposals such as requiring that NSA analysts obtain a court order before accessing data, banning the government from using “back door” methods to hack into hardware or software, and requiring that the government obtain a court order before issuing “national security letters,” which force businesses to hand over private customer information.
Although the report’s proposals were varied and in some cases highly detailed, they all echoed the general theme that the government could not be trusted with the sorts of powers and access to personal information that Snowden had revealed. There was a clear need for new laws and institutional reforms to prevent the current or a future government from abusing its authority, the panel determined.
The effectiveness of adopting new laws, however, was called into question the next month when a report was issued by the White House’s Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board, which said that the NSA program was probably both illegal and unconstitutional. Critics wondered what new laws would accomplish when it was clear that the government had already been violating existing laws.
The NSA’s program “lacks a viable legal foundation under Section 215 [of the Patriot Act], implicates constitutional concerns under the First and Fourth Amendments, raises serious threats to privacy and civil liberties as a policy matter, and has shown only limited value,” the Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board’s report said. “As a result, the board recommends that the government end the program.”
A federal court backed up the board’s findings in May 2015, when it ruled that the NSA’s mass collection of Americans’ phone records violates the Patriot Act. A scathing 97-page unanimous opinion by the U.S. Court of Appeals determined that the government had stretched the meaning of the law to enable “sweeping surveillance” of Americans’ data that could be used to “reveal civil, political, or religious affiliations,” or an individual’s “social status,” providing such improper information as whether “he or she is involved in intimate relationships.”
Incremental Improvements
When the Patriot Act’s Section 215 expired later that month, Congress passed the USA Freedom Act, signed into law by President Obama on June 20, 2015. The legislation attempted to end the bulk collection of calling records by limiting collection to instances where there is “reasonable, articulable suspicion” that a “specific selection term” used to request call detail records is associated with international terrorism. It also increased penalties for providing “material support” to U.S.-designated “foreign terrorist organizations.”
Civil libertarians, however, argued that the final version of the law did not go nearly far enough to rein in NSA abuses and contained several unwarranted concessions to the intelligence community and pro-surveillance legislators.
“This bill would make only incremental improvements, and at least one provision – the material-support provision – would represent a significant step backwards,” said ACLU deputy legal director Jameel Jaffer. “The disclosures of the last two years make clear that we need wholesale reform.”
Human Rights Watch noted that although the law curtailed some provisions of the Patriot Act, the new law did nothing to address bulk collection practices that may be occurring under other laws or regulations, such as Section 702 of the FISA Amendments Act or Executive Order 12333. “These practices affect many more people and include the collection of the actual content of internet communications and phone calls, not just metadata,” said HRW.
“This is a fake privacy bill,” said Tiffiniy Cheng of the advocacy group Fight for the Future. “Corrupt members of Congress and their funders in the defense industry are attempting to package up their surveillance-powers wish list and misleadingly brand it as ‘USA Freedom.’”
Binney, the former NSA executive who left the agency in protest in 2001, said that the Freedom Act “won’t do anything” to protect privacy. “Why do you think NSA supports it?” he said.
Thomas Drake, another former NSA senior executive who had attempted to blow the whistle on NSA abuses before the government prosecuted him under the Espionage Act, said the Freedom Act was a ploy by government officials “to keep the status quo in place.” Focusing on the metadata program was unfortunate, he said, because internet surveillance was far broader than telephone surveillance.
“It’s a shiny, shiny bright spot, [but] there’s a whole lot more being collected,” he said, including a “staggering” amount of online communications.
Making a List
Now, access to this staggering amount of information is being handed over to President-elect Donald Trump, who allegedly is “keeping a list” of those he considers political “enemies.”
On election night, following a tweet that Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-South Carolina, sent out indicating that his vote had been cast for independent candidate Evan McMullin rather than the Republican nominee, Trump surrogate Omarosa Manigault said, “it’s so great our enemies are making themselves clear so that when we get in to the White House, we know where we stand.”
Conceding that Graham ultimately has the right to vote for whomever he wants, Manigault warned nevertheless: “Let me just tell you, Mr. Trump has a long memory and we’re keeping a list.”
These sorts of oblique threats might not be such a cause for concern if it weren’t for the fact that Trump has seemed to make it his mission to go after anyone who criticizes or insults him, anyone who he considers an enemy – and apparently he has lots of them. In fact, the New York Times compiled a list earlier this year of nearly 300 people who Trump has attacked on Twitter.
Being singled out by Trump on Twitter can have dramatic real-life consequences, as Chuck Jones, the president of the United Steelworkers Local 1999 whom Trump recently targeted over his favorite medium, can readily attest. The Washington Post reported that about half an hour after Trump tweeted on Dec. 8 that Jones “has done a terrible job representing workers,” the union leader started receiving menacing messages over the phone.
“What kind of car do you drive?” said one caller. “We’re coming for you,” said another.
“A tweet from Trump is enough to ensure that his target’s phone will start to ring with vague threats from strangers,” writes Libby Nelson at Vox.com. “His or her inbox will fill up with explicit messages and invective. If the harassment gins up media coverage, that ensures more of it. For one target, the messages from Trump fans have lasted at least a year.”
Nelson calls these online cyberbullies Trump’s “shock troops” who are mobilized to shut down critics.
The ongoing, blatant and increasingly petty social media bullying tactics recently drew the attention of former labor secretary Robert Reich, who called on Trump to stop the online harassment and raised concerns over what sort of abuses might lay in store once the President-elect inherits the most powerful intelligence apparatus in the world.
“What you would like is for no one – not a CEO, nobody on television, no journalist – nobody to criticize you,” Reich said, addressing his comments to Trump. “You take offense at that. Well, you are going to be president very shortly, and you are going to have at your command not just Twitter, but also the CIA, the IRS, the FBI. If you have this kind of thin-skinned vindictiveness attitude toward anybody that criticizes you, we are in very big trouble.”
Troubling Picks
Now, as Trump announces his cabinet picks, it is coming more into focus just how much trouble we may be in for. His choice, for example, of Mike Pompeo to lead the CIA indicates a willingness to expand mass surveillance activities and usher in other intelligence abuses.
“Congress should pass a law re-establishing collection of all metadata, and combining it with publicly available financial and lifestyle information into a comprehensive, searchable database,” Pompeo wrote in an op-ed in The Wall Street Journal last January.
The hawkish Kansas lawmaker has also spoken in favor of returning to the CIA’s discredited torture program that Obama ostensibly prohibited in 2009, and has called for expanding the Guantanamo detention center, saying that it “has been a goldmine of intelligence about radical Islamic terrorism.”
Calling out mainstream Muslims for allegedly failing to condemn Islamic terror with sufficient gusto, Pompeo has said that their “silence has made these Islamic leaders across America potentially complicit in these acts and more importantly still, in those that may well follow.”
Trump’s pick for National Security Adviser, Michael Flynn, is no less troubling. He is a political figure with “a history of restricting religious liberty, immigrants’ rights, and privacy,” according to the ACLU. He has advocated forcing American Muslims to register with the government and has publicly claimed that “fear of Muslims is rational.”
The appointments seem to follow Trump’s earlier campaign pledges to implement draconian security measures that “some people are going to be upset about,” such as a blanket ban on Muslims entering the United States, increased surveillance, and bringing back waterboarding and “a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding.”
“We’re going to have to do things that we never did before,” he said in 2015. “And certain things will be done that we never thought would happen in this country in terms of information and learning about the enemy. And so we’re going to have to do certain things that were frankly unthinkable a year ago.”
Last-Ditch Efforts
With these concerns in mind, 21 of the nation’s largest human rights and faith organizations released a joint statement of principles on Dec. 13 regarding the eligibility of Trump’s nominees. The statement outlines key requirements of top administration officials that should be evaluated by the Senate during confirmation hearings, including respect for international human rights obligations and adherence to the rule of law.
“Those nominated to serve in a Trump Administration will hold critical positions affecting millions of people’s human rights. It’s crucial that they commit to upholding this country’s obligations under international and U.S. law. The U.S. cannot hold moral high ground and will never be seen as leader on human rights if it flouts these obligations at home,” said Margaret Huang, executive director of Amnesty International USA.
Nearly 200 organizations also sent a letter to President Obama, asking him to abolish the National Security Exit-Entry Registration System (NSEERS), which they worry will be used by a Trump administration to register and track Arabs and Muslims. In a letter delivered to Obama administration late last month, the American Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee called NSEERS “ineffective as a counterterrorism tool,” which has caused “tremendous harm” to immigrant communities.
Others, such as the National Religious Campaign Against Torture, are calling on Obama to release in full the Senate’s torture report and force “appropriate officials” to read it in order to ensure that they “learn from the past.” Although White House Counsel Neil Eggleston recently announced that Obama will archive one copy of the torture report, it will apparently remain classified for at least 12 years. “At this time, we are not pursuing declassification of the full Study,” he wrote in a letter to Sen. Feinstein.
When it comes to the government’s mass surveillance activities, civil liberties and privacy advocates are calling for President Obama to enact emergency NSA reforms before leaving office. Various proposals have been offered as some degree of protection against possible overreaching by a Trump administration, including the introduction of intelligence principles such as pledges not to unlawfully spy on fellow Americans.
Yet, it’s not clear how any such guidelines would prevent abuses from taking place, especially since earlier abuses have been left unpunished. For example, when Snowden’s leaks revealed in 2013 that the NSA had overstepped its legal authority thousands of times, there were no prosecutions launched over this law-breaking, with the only people prosecuted being the ones who exposed the programs, not those who carried them out.
The same could be said, of course, for the lack of law enforcement by Obama’s Justice Department when details came to light over the CIA’s illegal torture program. This is despite the fact that even high-ranking U.N. officials called for prosecutions following the release of the Senate torture report’s executive summary two years ago in order to uphold principles of international law.
U.N. Special Rapporteur on Human Rights and Counterterrorism Ben Emmerson stated that senior officials from the Bush administration who sanctioned crimes, as well as the CIA and U.S. government officials who carried them out, must be investigated and prosecuted to deter future crimes and punish past crimes.
“As a matter of international law, the U.S. is legally obliged to bring those responsible to justice,” Emmerson said on Dec. 9, 2014. “The UN Convention Against Torture and the UN Convention on Enforced Disappearances require States to prosecute acts of torture and enforced disappearance where there is sufficient evidence to provide a reasonable prospect of conviction. States are not free to maintain or permit impunity for these grave crimes.”
U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon also expressed hope that the release of the torture report was the “start of a process” toward prosecutions, because the “prohibition against torture is absolute.” Needless to say, no prosecutions followed.
Prohibited Policy Options
This has led to torture, much like mass surveillance, becoming a “policy option” for presidents to utilize or not depending on the political whims of the day.
So, ultimately, what Trump is inheriting is a national security apparatus that engages in prohibited activities as matters of policy. The government he is taking over has in recent years committed torture, indefinite detention, and has even used drones to kill American citizens without trial. He will also be inheriting legal doctrines advocated by his predecessors that provide ready rationales for all of these practices.
With the Obama administration having acknowledged that CIA drone strikes have killed at least four U.S. citizens, former Attorney General Eric Holder has articulated a legal foundation for these attacks that President-elect Trump can now build upon.
In a speech at Northwestern University School of Law on March 5, 2012, Holder offered a legal defense of drone assassinations, including of U.S. citizens, arguing that although the decisions for who is targeted are made entirely in secret, they nevertheless follow the Constitution’s due process requirements.
“Some have argued that the President is required to get permission from a federal court before taking action against a United States citizen,” Holder said.  “This is simply not accurate. ‘Due process’ and ‘judicial process’ are not one and the same, particularly when it comes to national security. The Constitution guarantees due process, not judicial process.”
While acknowledging that “it is preferable to capture suspected terrorists where feasible,” Holder claimed “that there are instances where our government has the clear authority – and, I would argue, the responsibility – to defend the United States through the appropriate and lawful use of lethal force.”
Democrats may have accepted this argument based on the faith that they had in Obama to use these extraordinary powers responsibly. But as civil libertarians and national security experts have long pointed out, even if citizens generally trust a sitting president with these abilities, there is no reason to think that a future president – one with notoriously thin skin or authoritarian tendencies, for example – should be entrusted with these sweeping powers.
The oft-repeated notion that you shouldn’t mind a little government snooping as long as you have nothing to hide, or that there is no reason to concern yourself with the constitutional rights of suspected terrorists, or the comfort that comes with believing that only the “worst of the worst” could be sent to legal black holes like Guantanamo or targeted by U.S. drone strikes, begins to wear thin when people come to believe that the government itself cannot be trusted to use these powers properly.
And when it comes to the looming Trump administration, there is little reason to believe that it can.
Bret Cahill
2016-12-17 12:25:25 UTC
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And as karma would have it, it's on your pet issue, privacy.

The uneducated who thought there was a third alternative between the frying pan and the fire jumped out of the frying pan into the fire.

The uneducated have now matriculated into the tRUMP School of Hot Knocks.

So let's tally how gettin eben with them ebil Clintons is workin' out for you:

You have accomplished,

1. tRUMP/Koch Bros' tax cuts for the rich,

which triggered,

2. the Fed pre emptively hiking interest rates,

3. Ryan gutting Social Security

1 + 2 + 3 = 4: Reaganomics on steroids.

If tRUMP manages to get tariffs then the working poor who you pretend to want to help will not even be able to afford cheap Chinese imports and will then join the tRUMPvilles mushrooming under overpasses.

Is there _anything_ you won't cheer to get eben with them ebil Clintons? Mebbe next you'll join David Duke at a rally?

Now's the time to argue that tRUMP wrecking the economy will cause the Great Rapture Disaster which causes utopia to break out!

Here's a line for it:
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trump will inherit vast Surveillance powers courtesy of the democrats: now the failure to curtail those powers means they pass on to Donald Trump: When Barack Obama took office in 2009, it was hoped that the new administration might take steps to reform the program he had helped design in order to bring it in line with constitutional safeguards. Instead, what happened was the program’s expansion
if trump becomes a tyrant, its only because the democrats set up the infrastructure for him to be one.
Which was only possible because the legacy media have been undermining democracy for decades.

The root of the problem is the 0.1% shill media.

It's counter productive to flail out at politicians when you are ignorant of the role of the legacy media.
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https://consortiumnews.com/2016/12/16/trump-to-inherit-vast-surveillance-powers/
Trump to Inherit Vast Surveillance Powers
December 16, 2016
Many Democrats trusted President Obama with the vast surveillance powers inherited from President George W. Bush, but now the failure to curtail those powers means they pass on to Donald Trump, notes Nat Parry.
Apparently Obama is good with that or he'd be more like the outgoing GOP governor of NC who is trashing the office before the opposition party gets in.

After Snowden Obama even said when he returned to being a private citizen he knew he'd be included in the dragnet, yet he supported the data mining.

So tRUMP's privacy violations bother you more than they bother the ebil Obama!

Every time you try to get eben with an ebil Democrat you shoot yourself and the working poor in the foot, or maybe the head.

And then you brag about "doing it since the 1990s."


Bret Cahill
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And as karma would have it, it's on your pet issue, privacy.
The uneducated who thought there was a third alternative between the frying pan and the fire jumped out of the frying pan into the fire.
The uneducated have now matriculated into the tRUMP School of Hot Knocks.
You have accomplished,
1. tRUMP/Koch Bros' tax cuts for the rich,
which triggered,
2. the Fed pre emptively hiking interest rates,
3. Ryan gutting Social Security
1 + 2 + 3 = 4: Reaganomics on steroids.
If tRUMP manages to get tariffs then the working poor who you pretend to want to help will not even be able to afford cheap Chinese imports and will then join the tRUMPvilles mushrooming under overpasses.
Is there _anything_ you won't cheer to get eben with them ebil Clintons? Mebbe next you'll join David Duke at a rally?
Now's the time to argue that tRUMP wrecking the economy will cause the Great Rapture Disaster which causes utopia to break out!
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ROTFLOL!!!!!!!!!!! here is the reality of your position, in the eyes of the voter, you say trump will be a tyrant, but when the democrats do it, we trust them.
if the neo-liberal clinton democrats can be trusted in your eyes as they destroy the constitution, and set the country up for a tyrant, then we can no longer elect any one but a neo-liberal clinton democrat, because in your eyes, anyone else would abuse the huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge and illegal powers that the neo-liberal clinton democrats accrued.
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trump will inherit vast Surveillance powers courtesy of the democrats: now the failure to curtail those powers means they pass on to Donald Trump: When Barack Obama took office in 2009, it was hoped that the new administration might take steps to reform the program he had helped design in order to bring it in line with constitutional safeguards. Instead, what happened was the program’s expansion
chirp.
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if trump becomes a tyrant, its only because the democrats set up the infrastructure for him to be one.
Which was only possible because the legacy media have been undermining democracy for decades.
no, if it was the legacy media's fault, which in your eyes its always, unless a republican does the same thing, then they are a tyrant, the voters hated the patriot act, and has let the politicians know that in huge numbers, and the clintonites could care less, they did it anyways.
you so discredit yourself.
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The root of the problem is the 0.1% shill media.
It's counter productive to flail out at politicians when you are ignorant of the role of the legacy media.
then you have no problems with trump, its the legacy medias fault.


CIA:)
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https://consortiumnews.com/2016/12/16/trump-to-inherit-vast-surveillance-powers/
Trump to Inherit Vast Surveillance Powers
December 16, 2016
Many Democrats trusted President Obama with the vast surveillance powers inherited from President George W. Bush, but now the failure to curtail those powers means they pass on to Donald Trump, notes Nat Parry.
Apparently Obama is good with that or he'd be more like the outgoing GOP governor of NC who is trashing the office before the opposition party gets in.
you mean like the dim wit saying its the russians, this is a veiled attempt at delegitimasizing trumps presidency, you mean crap like that, or that the media was not fair to hillary, which meant we were never supposed to see the rot and corruption, you mean crap like that.

oh i forgot, when the gop does it, they are tyrants, when the democrats do the same destructive crap, its the medias fault.
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After Snowden Obama even said when he returned to being a private citizen he knew he'd be included in the dragnet, yet he supported the data mining.
So tRUMP's privacy violations bother you more than they bother the ebil Obama!
your logic is impeccable, its always wrong, you are beyond tone deaf, to the point where i am beginning to see you as comic relief.
what the dim wit admitted to was treason. he admitted that it would be abused, and he did it anyways.
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Every time you try to get eben with an ebil Democrat you shoot yourself and the working poor in the foot, or maybe the head.
And then you brag about "doing it since the 1990s."
yea, electing those ebil clintons worked so well for the american people. and since the ebil clintonites lost their advantage they had with the legacy media by 2008, it has not stopped them from trying to rig the 2016 elections, and now the attempted coup.
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Bret Cahill
2016-12-18 01:50:05 UTC
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And as karma would have it, it's on your pet issue, privacy.
The uneducated who thought there was a third alternative between the frying pan and the fire jumped out of the frying pan into the fire.
The uneducated have now matriculated into the tRUMP School of Hot Knocks.
You have accomplished,
1. tRUMP/Koch Bros' tax cuts for the rich,
which triggered,
2. the Fed pre emptively hiking interest rates,
3. Ryan gutting Social Security
1 + 2 + 3 = 4: Reaganomics on steroids.
If tRUMP manages to get tariffs then the working poor who you pretend to want to help will not even be able to afford cheap Chinese imports and will then join the tRUMPvilles mushrooming under overpasses.
Is there _anything_ you won't cheer to get eben with them ebil Clintons? Mebbe next you'll join David Duke at a rally?
Now's the time to argue that tRUMP wrecking the economy will cause the Great Rapture Disaster which causes utopia to break out!
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ROTFLOL!!!!!!!!!!!
Unless you've embraced everything Koch, here, try again:

Now's the time to argue that tRUMP wrecking the economy will cause the Great Rapture Disaster which causes utopia to break out!

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here is the reality of your position, in the eyes of the voter, you say trump will be a tyrant, but when the democrats do it, we trust them.
As you should know by now, the focus should not be on politicians but the root of the problem, the shill media.

But now that you changed the subject remember that uneducated white guy Snowden was once like you: He once was gullible and trusted tRUMP over Hillary.

But Snowden matriculated early into the tRUMP College of Hard Knocks.

Snowden now says the spying will get _worse_ with tRUMP.

Of course, if you are a third party supporter, if you are a utopian third wayer, then the lesser of two evils doesn't matter!

Just jump out of the frying pan into the fire and pretend you discovered a 3rd way!
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if the neo-liberal clinton democrats can be trusted in your eyes as they destroy the constitution,
If you think there's a third way other than Clinton or tRUMP, then you will soon get an education like you wouldn't believe.

Even the tax cut economic goose will not prevent the explosion of tRUMPvilles early in his first term.
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and set the country up for a tyrant,
The legacy media set the country up for dictatorship decades before Clinton ever took office.

You should know this by now.
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then we can no longer elect any one but a neo-liberal clinton democrat,
You are bitter and upset because you are a political loser and now you want to lash out anyway possible.

Punishment based politics is fascism per se.
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because in your eyes, anyone else would abuse the huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge and illegal powers that the neo-liberal clinton democrats accrued.
Yup. You have matriculated into the tRUMP College of Hard Knocks.


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if trump becomes a tyrant, its only because the democrats set up the infrastructure for him to be one.
Which was only possible because the legacy media have been undermining democracy for decades.
no,
The media were jerryspringering culture wars to get the political debate off the economy long before the ebil Clintons.
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if it was the legacy media's fault, which in your eyes its always,
You keep dodging the question:

How did the 0.1% media force Hillary to make a concession speech when she won the popular vote?

What was she supposed to be conceding to?

If the Clintons were players then Hillary could have just said what Boxer said: The EC is a legacy of slaver states' rights. Let's dump it.

Instead she swallowed the media absurdity hook line and sinker.

You also dodge the fact that Bezos conceded defeat to tRUMP in late October.

If that doesn't give you a clue that the players ain't politicians . . .
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unless a republican does the same thing, then they are a tyrant,
A smart activist simply goes after the weakest link, the weakest leg of the 3 legged stool.

If you read Tocqueville you'd know that would be the legacy media, not the Repugs.
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the voters hated the patriot act,
The media liked it along with BushCo quagmires. The politicians listen to the media.

If you don't like the Patriot Act, your only lever is popping legacy media fanny.
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and has let the politicians know that in huge numbers, and the clintonites could care less, they did it anyways.
you so discredit yourself.
You never explain how anything posted here is any different than Tocqueville or, for that matter, Jefferson.
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The root of the problem is the 0.1% shill media.
It's counter productive to flail out at politicians when you are ignorant of the role of the legacy media.
then you have no problems with trump,
Few smart folk say anything against tRUMP, not because tRUMP isn't a dictator, but for the exact opposite reason: They are afraid. Bloomberg is quiet but most billionaires have flip flopped and now at least pretend to support tRUMP.

Many people are like you and believe they need their privacy. Unlike you they know tRUMP will just use NSA to get anyone who opposes him, and it'll be much worse than say, Cheney who would just put you on a junk mail list.

It's much like the situation in Florence. The elite didn't like Lorenzo but they hated democracy even more.

If any deals are cut it will be to toss you under the bus. Of course, you won't know what's going on until it's too late.
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its the legacy medias fault.
That's why you need to spend 99% of your time popping legacy media fanny instead of defending tRUMP's tax cuts on the rich, the GOP gutting Social Security, tRUMPvilles, tRUMP spying on political opposition "like you wouldn't believe" white supremacists . . .

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Many Democrats trusted President Obama with the vast surveillance powers inherited from President George W. Bush, but now the failure to curtail those powers means they pass on to Donald Trump, notes Nat Parry.
Apparently Obama is good with that or he'd be more like the outgoing GOP governor of NC who is trashing the office before the opposition party gets in.
you mean like the dim wit saying its the russians,
The OP issue is merkins spying on merkins, or rather tRUMP spying on merkins.

You are so confused you cannot even stay on point.
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this is a veiled attempt at delegitimasizing trumps presidency,
HRC conceded defeat after winning the popular vote.

What more do you and tRUMP want?
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you mean crap like that, or that the media was not fair to hillary, which meant we were never supposed to see the rot and corruption,
The legacy media have you believing their Big Lie that corruption has something to do with the decline of the middle class. They do this to hide their own culpability as shills for the rich and destroyers of the middle class.

You keep repeating the rightard refrain about "corrupt Chicago Dems."
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you mean crap like that.
You have finally found your political party! Just don't call tax cuts, SS cuts, NSA spying, tRUMPvilles and racism, "progressive."
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oh i forgot, when the gop does it, they are tyrants, when the democrats do the same destructive crap, its the medias fault.
The Democrats wouldn't feel any need to do it without the legacy media.

You keep wack a moleing politicians over and over expecting different results.
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After Snowden Obama even said when he returned to being a private citizen he knew he'd be included in the dragnet, yet he supported the data mining.
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So tRUMP's privacy violations bother you more than they bother the ebil Obama!
your logic is impeccable,
It's got you defending tax cuts for the rich and Social Security cuts for the poor or some third way nonsense.

You were doing better with the Great Rapture Disaster That Restores Purity and Draws and Quarters them Ebil Clintons.
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its always wrong, you are beyond tone deaf, to the point where i am beginning to see you as comic relief.
Since tRUMPnomics is just Reaganomics on steroids, the tRUMPvilles will appear early in tRUMP's first term.

Will you laugh at that too?
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what the dim wit admitted to was treason.
Many believe tRUMP getting into office with the help of the Rooskies is treason.

The correct response to that is it is "multiculturalism" or "globalization."
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he admitted that it would be abused, and he did it anyways.
As a practical matter there's no real way to stop spying, private sector or public sector.

That's why your concerns about "privacy" are so silly.

There is no privacy.

If you want free speech they you don't want privacy.

The 4th Amend. isn't about privacy, but about the gummint planting fake evidence on your property.
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Every time you try to get eben with an ebil Democrat you shoot yourself and the working poor in the foot, or maybe the head.
And then you brag about "doing it since the 1990s."
yea,
Yup.
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electing those ebil clintons worked so well for the american people.
The people thought so which is what matters. That's why HRC won the popular vote with such a lousy campaign.

Bill won by double digits twice.
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and since the ebil clintonites lost their advantage they had with the legacy media by 2008, it has not stopped them from trying to rig the 2016 elections, and now the attempted coup.
tRUMP doesn't need a coup. He's already in power with the legacy media already cutting deals to toss you uneducated whites under the bus.

Hopefully you don't believe what you are posting or you really _might_ end up in a tRUMPville.

And then I would not be able to rub your face into your support of tax cuts and Social Security cuts, Al Gore holding yellow cake up to the U.N., etc.

That's why I'm rubbing your face into tRUMP using NSA against any and all opposition _now_. There may not be a tomorrow.


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And as karma would have it, it's on your pet issue, privacy.
The uneducated who thought there was a third alternative between the frying pan and the fire jumped out of the frying pan into the fire.
The uneducated have now matriculated into the tRUMP School of Hot Knocks.
You have accomplished,
1. tRUMP/Koch Bros' tax cuts for the rich,
which triggered,
2. the Fed pre emptively hiking interest rates,
3. Ryan gutting Social Security
1 + 2 + 3 = 4: Reaganomics on steroids.
If tRUMP manages to get tariffs then the working poor who you pretend to want to help will not even be able to afford cheap Chinese imports and will then join the tRUMPvilles mushrooming under overpasses.
Is there _anything_ you won't cheer to get eben with them ebil Clintons? Mebbe next you'll join David Duke at a rally?
Now's the time to argue that tRUMP wrecking the economy will cause the Great Rapture Disaster which causes utopia to break out!
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ROTFLOL!!!!!!!!!!!
Now's the time to argue that tRUMP wrecking the economy will cause the Great Rapture Disaster which causes utopia to break out!
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lets try this again, what recovery, and who turned the worlds premier middle class manufacturing country, the likes the world has never seen before, into a country of alcoholics, drug addicts, you can't drink the water, but bill clinton made sure the cares are made in mexico, suicides, plunging life expectancy, millions jailed unjustly, gutted the constitution and the bill of rights, the dim wit even said so, and he did it anyways, a majority of college grads cannot find gainful employment, they are asking why did i bother to even go to college, unleashed the parasites of wall street, not only on americans, but the world, and they have stolen trillions, leaving whole states in smoking ruins, and so so so much more.
your are so tone deaf, 2018 is right around the corner, and you will not refute the huuuuge crimes the fake liberals did to americans.
in reality, according to you, your beef is not with the kochs, but the legacy media, they made the kochs influence bill clinton, so that the poor dear smashed the new deal, and turned the democratic party of social security, into the party that no one trusted with social security.
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here is the reality of your position, in the eyes of the voter, you say trump will be a tyrant, but when the democrats do it, we trust them.
As you should know by now, the focus should not be on politicians but the root of the problem, the shill media.
then trump will be no worry. and of course as i have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, the legacy media could not get hillary elected twice now, they lost control of the narrative, just as the fake liberals in the democratic party lost control.
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But now that you changed the subject remember that uneducated white guy Snowden was once like you: He once was gullible and trusted tRUMP over Hillary.
But Snowden matriculated early into the tRUMP College of Hard Knocks.
Snowden now says the spying will get _worse_ with tRUMP.
Of course, if you are a third party supporter, if you are a utopian third wayer, then the lesser of two evils doesn't matter!
Just jump out of the frying pan into the fire and pretend you discovered a 3rd way!
unlike you, i do not trust politicians period. will trump be worse than the neo-liberals? its hard to say. i am old, and america looks vastly different under what the neo-liberals did, than the jewel america was when i was young.
so we already are a police state, the dim wit even said so, there has been no recovery, and we are on a downwards trajectory, we have been at war with the world since the 1990's, the dim wit kills people with the push of a button, and brags about it, even america citizens, half of americans are on the verge of economic collapse, millions are in bill clintons privatized slave labor prisons, and your responce, attack the legacy media, they made him do that, so he is absolved of his crimwes, he had affluenza, and so so so much more.
so can it get worse, perhaps. but it could not get worse, if the neo-liberals had not done to us what they did.
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if the neo-liberal clinton democrats can be trusted in your eyes as they destroy the constitution,
If you think there's a third way other than Clinton or tRUMP, then you will soon get an education like you wouldn't believe.
clinton was the attempt at a third way again. ask the starving and homeless, which there are untold millions, why didn't you vote clinton, don't you know how bad trump will be?

CIA:)
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Even the tax cut economic goose will not prevent the explosion of tRUMPvilles early in his first term.
its the clintonvilles stupid, its why they lost. the economy is imploding now, when you were just touting how well it was doing. people like me responded, how can anyone be so blind.
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and set the country up for a tyrant,
The legacy media set the country up for dictatorship decades before Clinton ever took office.
You should know this by now.
yea, always shift the blame. even reagan hired a new dealer to clean up the financial sector, and he jailed many criminals.
what is bills and the dim wits record on this? so if trump is as bad as you claim he will be, its because he had predecessors that gave him almost unlimited powers, who also ignored lawlessness.
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then we can no longer elect any one but a neo-liberal clinton democrat,
You are bitter and upset because you are a political loser and now you want to lash out anyway possible.
Punishment based politics is fascism per se.
dream on, i am merely trying to get the tone deaf to understand, you lost the narrative. and you did it to yourself.
bill clintons economy is fascism.
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because in your eyes, anyone else would abuse the huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge and illegal powers that the neo-liberal clinton democrats accrued.
Yup. You have matriculated into the tRUMP College of Hard Knocks.
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you lost the narrative, americans no longer believe your tone deafness.
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if trump becomes a tyrant, its only because the democrats set up the infrastructure for him to be one.
Which was only possible because the legacy media have been undermining democracy for decades.
no,
The media were jerryspringering culture wars to get the political debate off the economy long before the ebil Clintons.
but it was the clinton democrats that instituted fascism in the u.s.a. ignore this at your own peril.
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if it was the legacy media's fault, which in your eyes its always,
How did the 0.1% media force Hillary to make a concession speech when she won the popular vote?
because she lost the election under our system. any one who does not understand that inconvenient truth, has lost the narrative.
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What was she supposed to be conceding to?
she lost.
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If the Clintons were players then Hillary could have just said what Boxer said: The EC is a legacy of slaver states' rights. Let's dump it.
that still does not mean she won under our system, in fact, she lost. boxer is just stating her opinion, which is not constitutional law.
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Instead she swallowed the media absurdity hook line and sinker.
what, that it was the russians, snicker!!!!
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You also dodge the fact that Bezos conceded defeat to tRUMP in late October.
duh, i kept trying to tell you the same thing, anyone could tell that the legacy media and the neo-liberal third way, had lost the narrative, its called we no longer believe you, we believe our lying eyes. you were tone deaf, and fell hook line and sinker for the legacy medias tale that the gop was kaput, and its hillary by a land slide.

CIA:)
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If that doesn't give you a clue that the players ain't politicians . . .
you mean that someone figured it out, hilarious. if i could, so should have you.
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unless a republican does the same thing, then they are a tyrant,
A smart activist simply goes after the weakest link, the weakest leg of the 3 legged stool.
is now the vastly discredited clintonites. the legacy media is kaput.
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If you read Tocqueville you'd know that would be the legacy media, not the Repugs.
its corruption period.
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the voters hated the patriot act,
The media liked it along with BushCo quagmires. The politicians listen to the media.
If you don't like the Patriot Act, your only lever is popping legacy media fanny.
we already did. we beat their candidate twice now. ignore this at your own peril.
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and has let the politicians know that in huge numbers, and the clintonites could care less, they did it anyways.
you so discredit yourself.
no, i am merely stating fact. if the lies were still believed, hillary would have won in 2008.
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You never explain how anything posted here is any different than Tocqueville or, for that matter, Jefferson.
jefferson warned about corruption and the financial sector running america, and you tout bills record, completely tone deaf
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The root of the problem is the 0.1% shill media.
It's counter productive to flail out at politicians when you are ignorant of the role of the legacy media.
then you have no problems with trump,
Few smart folk say anything against tRUMP, not because tRUMP isn't a dictator, but for the exact opposite reason: They are afraid. Bloomberg is quiet but most billionaires have flip flopped and now at least pretend to support tRUMP.
thy merely follow power. when bill and the dim wit were selling us out, they were democrats.
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Many people are like you and believe they need their privacy. Unlike you they know tRUMP will just use NSA to get anyone who opposes him, and it'll be much worse than say, Cheney who would just put you on a junk mail list.
why are you complaining about them then, its the legacy media, that have now lost two election cycles in a row.
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It's much like the situation in Florence. The elite didn't like Lorenzo but they hated democracy even more.
If any deals are cut it will be to toss you under the bus. Of course, you won't know what's going on until it's too late.
it already happened oh tone deaf one. what do you think this election was all about, our love for the marvelous clinton presidency, geeesh, tone deaf.
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its the legacy medias fault.
That's why you need to spend 99% of your time popping legacy media fanny instead of defending tRUMP's tax cuts on the rich, the GOP gutting Social Security, tRUMPvilles, tRUMP spying on political opposition "like you wouldn't believe" white supremacists . . .
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been there done that. they have no power, yet the clintonites are still there, wrecking havoc.
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Many Democrats trusted President Obama with the vast surveillance powers inherited from President George W. Bush, but now the failure to curtail those powers means they pass on to Donald Trump, notes Nat Parry.
Apparently Obama is good with that or he'd be more like the outgoing GOP governor of NC who is trashing the office before the opposition party gets in.
you mean like the dim wit saying its the russians,
The OP issue is merkins spying on merkins, or rather tRUMP spying on merkins.
or you mean believe you, and not our lying eyes, like the dim wit blaming the russians:)
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You are so confused you cannot even stay on point.
pure projection.
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this is a veiled attempt at delegitimasizing trumps presidency,
HRC conceded defeat after winning the popular vote.
What more do you and tRUMP want?
the popular vote is not our system. what could she do, attempt a coup, err, why she is.
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you mean crap like that, or that the media was not fair to hillary, which meant we were never supposed to see the rot and corruption,
The legacy media have you believing their Big Lie that corruption has something to do with the decline of the middle class. They do this to hide their own culpability as shills for the rich and destroyers of the middle class.
ROTFLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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You keep repeating the rightard refrain about "corrupt Chicago Dems."
i know corruption when i see it. its why the powers of impeachment are so vague.
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you mean crap like that.
You have finally found your political party! Just don't call tax cuts, SS cuts, NSA spying, tRUMPvilles and racism, "progressive."
we already have them courtesy of the clintonites.
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oh i forgot, when the gop does it, they are tyrants, when the democrats do the same destructive crap, its the medias fault.
The Democrats wouldn't feel any need to do it without the legacy media.
you could have fooled me. the legacy media has now lost two election cycles in a row, yet the dim wit even announced what he was doing would lead to dictatorship, yet he did it anyways.
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You keep wack a moleing politicians over and over expecting different results.
you have lost the narrative.
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After Snowden Obama even said when he returned to being a private citizen he knew he'd be included in the dragnet, yet he supported the data mining.
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and he did it anyways, which i have repeatedly said.
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So tRUMP's privacy violations bother you more than they bother the ebil Obama!
your logic is impeccable,
It's got you defending tax cuts for the rich and Social Security cuts for the poor or some third way nonsense.
if you were not tone deaf, you would know i have repeatedly said i do not support trump, or those policies. but i keep telling you why you lost, because those are the same policies that the clintonites were doing.
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You were doing better with the Great Rapture Disaster That Restores Purity and Draws and Quarters them Ebil Clintons.
err, you lost the narrative in two election cycles in a row. keep the course, search for purity, lose more. meanwhile i will do my best to drive the clintonites out of the democratic party, so that perhaps we can restore the constitution, and democracy for all.
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its always wrong, you are beyond tone deaf, to the point where i am beginning to see you as comic relief.
Since tRUMPnomics is just Reaganomics on steroids, the tRUMPvilles will appear early in tRUMP's first term.
Will you laugh at that too?
point out that reagans policies were supercharged under the clintonites, which the voters already understanding that.
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what the dim wit admitted to was treason.
Many believe tRUMP getting into office with the help of the Rooskies is treason.
only dim wits who are fooled by the legacy media, now anyone like that:)
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The correct response to that is it is "multiculturalism" or "globalization."
globalism could be good, but it never is because of the creatures that create it. america is multicultural since the beginning
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he admitted that it would be abused, and he did it anyways.
As a practical matter there's no real way to stop spying, private sector or public sector.
nice deflection.
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That's why your concerns about "privacy" are so silly.
There is no privacy.
If you want free speech they you don't want privacy.
The 4th Amend. isn't about privacy, but about the gummint planting fake evidence on your property.
like free trading with a communist dictatorship will be a win win for the american worker.
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Every time you try to get eben with an ebil Democrat you shoot yourself and the working poor in the foot, or maybe the head.
And then you brag about "doing it since the 1990s."
yea,
Yup.
you are tone deaf.
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electing those ebil clintons worked so well for the american people.
The people thought so which is what matters. That's why HRC won the popular vote with such a lousy campaign.
as the founders feared, two states running the whole show, because it was being run for them.
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Bill won by double digits twice.
never got 50% or more. so in reality, he won with the electoral college:))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
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and since the ebil clintonites lost their advantage they had with the legacy media by 2008, it has not stopped them from trying to rig the 2016 elections, and now the attempted coup.
tRUMP doesn't need a coup. He's already in power with the legacy media already cutting deals to toss you uneducated whites under the bus.
geesh, tone deaf.
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Hopefully you don't believe what you are posting or you really _might_ end up in a tRUMPville.
we already have them courtesy of bill clinton.
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And then I would not be able to rub your face into your support of tax cuts and Social Security cuts, Al Gore holding yellow cake up to the U.N., etc.
you mean bills tax cuts, and his attempt at gutting s.s.. geesh tone deaf.
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That's why I'm rubbing your face into tRUMP using NSA against any and all opposition _now_. There may not be a tomorrow.
courtesy of the clintonites, that admitting that what they were doing was treason, geesh, how stupid can one be!
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And as karma would have it, it's on your pet issue, privacy.
The uneducated who thought there was a third alternative between the frying pan and the fire jumped out of the frying pan into the fire.
The uneducated have now matriculated into the tRUMP School of Hot Knocks.
You have accomplished,
1. tRUMP/Koch Bros' tax cuts for the rich,
which triggered,
2. the Fed pre emptively hiking interest rates,
3. Ryan gutting Social Security
1 + 2 + 3 = 4: Reaganomics on steroids.
If tRUMP manages to get tariffs then the working poor who you pretend to want to help will not even be able to afford cheap Chinese imports and will then join the tRUMPvilles mushrooming under overpasses.
Is there _anything_ you won't cheer to get eben with them ebil Clintons? Mebbe next you'll join David Duke at a rally?
Now's the time to argue that tRUMP wrecking the economy will cause the Great Rapture Disaster which causes utopia to break out!
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ROTFLOL!!!!!!!!!!!
Now's the time to argue that tRUMP wrecking the economy will cause the Great Rapture Disaster which causes utopia to break out!
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lets try this again,
OK.

Now's the time to argue that tRUMP wrecking the economy will cause the Great Rapture Disaster which causes utopia to break out!
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what recovery,
The recovery that is keeping 30 million homeless out of tRUMPvilles.

. . .
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here is the reality of your position, in the eyes of the voter, you say trump will be a tyrant, but when the democrats do it, we trust them.
As you should know by now, the focus should not be on politicians but the root of the problem, the shill media.
then trump will be no worry.
Not in the long term.

In the meantime he'll get 2 billion killed.
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and of course as i have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, the legacy media could not get hillary elected twice now, they lost control of the narrative, just as the fake liberals in the democratic party lost control.
HRC got more votes than Hitler, er, tRUMP.
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But now that you changed the subject remember that uneducated white guy Snowden was once like you: He once was gullible and trusted tRUMP over Hillary.
But Snowden matriculated early into the tRUMP College of Hard Knocks.
Snowden now says the spying will get _worse_ with tRUMP.
Of course, if you are a third party supporter, if you are a utopian third wayer, then the lesser of two evils doesn't matter!
Just jump out of the frying pan into the fire and pretend you discovered a 3rd way!
unlike you, i do not trust politicians period.
Then why do you think tRUMP will hike tariffs?
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will trump be worse than the neo-liberals? its hard to say.
When you enter a tRUMPville it will be easy to say.
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i am old, and america looks vastly different under what the neo-liberals did, than the jewel america was when i was young.
So you want to go back in time like . . . tRUMP.

You even cheer tax cuts for the rich and gutting Social Security. And bigotry.

You are one sick puppy.


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And as karma would have it, it's on your pet issue, privacy.
The uneducated who thought there was a third alternative between the frying pan and the fire jumped out of the frying pan into the fire.
The uneducated have now matriculated into the tRUMP School of Hot Knocks.
You have accomplished,
1. tRUMP/Koch Bros' tax cuts for the rich,
which triggered,
2. the Fed pre emptively hiking interest rates,
3. Ryan gutting Social Security
1 + 2 + 3 = 4: Reaganomics on steroids.
If tRUMP manages to get tariffs then the working poor who you pretend to want to help will not even be able to afford cheap Chinese imports and will then join the tRUMPvilles mushrooming under overpasses.
Is there _anything_ you won't cheer to get eben with them ebil Clintons? Mebbe next you'll join David Duke at a rally?
Now's the time to argue that tRUMP wrecking the economy will cause the Great Rapture Disaster which causes utopia to break out!
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ROTFLOL!!!!!!!!!!!
Now's the time to argue that tRUMP wrecking the economy will cause the Great Rapture Disaster which causes utopia to break out!
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lets try this again,
OK.
Now's the time to argue that tRUMP wrecking the economy will cause the Great Rapture Disaster which causes utopia to break out!
lets try this again, what recovery.
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what recovery,
The recovery that is keeping 30 million homeless out of tRUMPvilles.
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the clintonvilles have been growing everyday under the dim wit.
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here is the reality of your position, in the eyes of the voter, you say trump will be a tyrant, but when the democrats do it, we trust them.
As you should know by now, the focus should not be on politicians but the root of the problem, the shill media.
then trump will be no worry.
Not in the long term.
In the meantime he'll get 2 billion killed.
the world breathed a sigh of relief, when the queen of chaos lost the election.
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and of course as i have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, the legacy media could not get hillary elected twice now, they lost control of the narrative, just as the fake liberals in the democratic party lost control.
HRC got more votes than Hitler, er, tRUMP.
but she lost the election. under our rules, she came in second, so no cigar:)
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But now that you changed the subject remember that uneducated white guy Snowden was once like you: He once was gullible and trusted tRUMP over Hillary.
But Snowden matriculated early into the tRUMP College of Hard Knocks.
Snowden now says the spying will get _worse_ with tRUMP.
Of course, if you are a third party supporter, if you are a utopian third wayer, then the lesser of two evils doesn't matter!
Just jump out of the frying pan into the fire and pretend you discovered a 3rd way!
unlike you, i do not trust politicians period.
Then why do you think tRUMP will hike tariffs?
as i have said, i do not know what trump will do. however, like tens of millions of my fellow citizens know, bill did this to us, and hillary is lying threw her teeth.
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will trump be worse than the neo-liberals? its hard to say.
When you enter a tRUMPville it will be easy to say.
when bill was president, every man on my block became unemployed by 2001, many were highly skilled. a couple drank themselves to death, and today i am the only male that stayed gainfully employed. this also happened to some of the wives also.
we still have some empty homes in the blocks around my home, poor empty homes, lost by people bill screwed, sitting empty because there are so many millions in clintonvilles.
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i am old, and america looks vastly different under what the neo-liberals did, than the jewel america was when i was young.
So you want to go back in time like . . . tRUMP.
gee, i want civil society back, wow, how dare i. neo-liberals think that everything is fine and dandy, after all, bill protected them from being raped by wall street and the chinese communist party.
how dare i dream about a return to a civil society.
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You even cheer tax cuts for the rich and gutting Social Security. And bigotry.
You are one sick puppy.
never cheered it once liar!
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