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Latino population growth rate dips in many U.S. cities, crime down too.
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walt tonne
2012-03-20 12:00:07 UTC
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Fewer Mexicans, less crime.
Reporting from Washington and Los Angeles -- For years,
America's growing and mobile Latino population helped transform
cities such as Atlanta and Las Vegas as well as many smaller
communities. But the deep recession slowed this great
dispersion, a new analysis shows, raising economic and political
implications.
Between 2000 and 2010, the nation's Latino population jumped 43%
to 50.5 million, growing especially fast throughout the South
and in smaller metropolitan areas in the Midwest and Northeast.
The Latino populations more than tripled in such places as Palm
Coast, Fla., Knoxville, Tenn., and Wausau, Wis. Job
opportunities and an influx of new immigrants from Mexico and
Latin America helped drive the boom.
But with the economic downturn that began in 2007, the meltdown
of the housing market and a slowdown of new foreign arrivals,
many of these same communities have seen the Latino growth rates
flatten out.
Of 107 metro areas where the number of Latinos doubled between
2000 and 2010, almost all showed a slowdown in population growth
by the end of the decade, according to William Frey, a Brookings
Institution demographer who analyzed recently updated figures
from the Census Bureau.
"It's kind of stopped on a dime," said Frey, author of the new
report released Tuesday. "The big turndown in growth is
pervasive."
He pointed to such cities as Florida's Palm Coast, a community
of about 100,000 whose Latino population surged 19% annually for
three years in the middle of the last decade. It rose by just
1.9% in 2010. The Latino growth rate in St. George, Utah, a
community of about 73,000, fell from more than 15% in both 2005
and 2006 to 3.3% in 2010. And similar declines occurred in other
cities, including Anderson, S.C., and Bend, Ore.
Los Angeles, New York and other major metropolitan areas that
have long served as gateways and hubs for immigrants still
notched small upticks in Latino growth rates at the end of the
decade. In fact, the Latino population in the Los Angeles area,
which was flat in 2006 at the peak of the housing market
nationally, expanded by 1.5% in 2010. New York showed a similar
pattern; its Latino growth slowed in the middle of the decade
but was up by 2.4% in 2010.
The reason is that many Latinos who had left the big
metropolitan areas to find jobs and cheaper housing in smaller
cities earlier in the decade returned to those big cities during
the tough economic times, Frey said.
Those gateway cities are "the anchors for new minorities, places
where friends and relatives are ready to take in kids, provide
social and financial support when times are bad," he said.
He said it was unclear whether the broad distribution of Latinos
across the country that occurred through much of the last decade
would resume in coming years.
For many places, the question isn't just academic. As Latino
populations boomed in many communities in past years, they often
brought an influx of labor and a potential new base of customers
for retailers and other industries.
"Since both low- and high-skilled Hispanic workers will be
important for future economic growth, it will be essential to
find ways to restart their migration once the economy revives,"
Frey said.
There may be political repercussions as well.
The new analysis suggests that political leaders counting on an
increasingly large bloc of Latino voters to support their
candidates and causes — particularly in the Midwest and the
Southeast — may be disappointed.
"They may make less of a difference than people thought," Frey
said.
Beyond its focus on Latinos, the report also examined overall
population growth for the nation's 100 largest metropolitan
areas from 1980 to 2010, showing that the recession slowed or
stopped two decades worth of growth for some cities.
• Metropolitan growth in the Sun Belt and Snow Belt alike fell
in the 2000s, after accelerating in the 1990s. Southern and
Western metropolitan areas still grew faster than other areas in
recent years, but growth slowed most in those large metropolitan
areas that grew rapidly during the 1990s. Las Vegas, for
example, dropped from 85% growth that decade to 42% growth in
the 2000s.
• Suburbs continued to grow more rapidly than cities in the past
decade, but growth for both cities and suburbs declined from
where they were in the 1990s. Denver, Atlanta and Miami are
among metro areas in which suburban growth slowed the most.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-latino-cities-
20120320,0,2935311.story
There is a direct correlation between the size of the latin
population and the local crime rate.
d***@dudu.org
2012-03-20 13:03:52 UTC
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On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 05:00:07 -0700 (PDT), walt tonne
Post by walt tonne
There is a direct correlation between the size of the latin
population and the local crime rate.
Correlation does not prove causation.
Ray Fischer
2012-03-20 18:02:24 UTC
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Post by walt tonne
There is a direct correlation between the size of the latin
population and the local crime rate.
Usually inverse - cities on the border with Mexico have lower crime
rates. A fact which racist bigots don't like to acknowledge.
--
Ray Fischer | None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
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JohnJohnsn
2012-03-20 18:54:33 UTC
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Post by Ray Fischer
Post by walt tonne
There is a direct correlation between the size of the latin
population and the local crime rate.
Usually inverse - cities on the border with Mexico have lower
crime rates.
Evidence?
Post by Ray Fischer
A fact which racist bigots don't like to acknowledge.
The First Law of Leftist Debate:
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter
to his preconceived world view, and the more difficult it becomes
for him to refute it without losing face, the chance of him calling
you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity.

Boomerang corollary:
Said leftist will display his own racism in his responses accusing
you of same and never get the irony of it.

http://tinyurl.com/Irony-Meter-Pegged

Care to back up that "fact" (thusfar, an unsupported assertion,
actually) with some _real_ "facts," Raymond?
Post by Ray Fischer
--
Ray Fischer | None are more hopelessly enslaved than
| those who falsely believe they are free.
A man's manners are a mirror in which he shows his portrait.
--Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Behavior is the mirror in which everyone shows their image.
--Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

A person places themselves on a level with the ones they praise (or
deride)
--Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@,net>
2012-03-20 19:24:04 UTC
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Post by JohnJohnsn
Post by Ray Fischer
Post by walt tonne
There is a direct correlation between the size of the latin
population and the local crime rate.
Usually inverse - cities on the border with Mexico have lower
crime rates.
Evidence?
Looks like he is right.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/story/2011/07/us-mexico-border-violence/49399232/1
http://www.texastribune.org/texas-mexico-border-news/texas-mexico-border/fact-checking-gov-perry-obamas-lie/
RD Sandman
2012-03-20 20:45:59 UTC
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Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@,net>
Post by JohnJohnsn
Post by Ray Fischer
Post by walt tonne
There is a direct correlation between the size of the latin
population and the local crime rate.
Usually inverse - cities on the border with Mexico have lower
crime rates.
Evidence?
Looks like he is right.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/story/2011/07/us-mexico-border-
violence/49399232/1
I really can't speak for any state other than Arizona, but some of the
stuff in the article is a bit misleading. Small towns and cities
historically have lower crime than larger ones. The article covers
cities and towns within 30 miles of the border. There are no cities of
much of any size within 30 miles of the border except Nogales, which is
right on the border and Yuma. You may wish to look at those crimes as
they apply to Phoenix which is really the first major stop. I also noted
that if you look at crime other than murder, the map shows quite a
change.

BTW, I agree that crime is lower along the *US* side of the border. It
is not non-violent just across the line, however. Our state department
has been issuing travel warnings just in time for spring break as a lot
of college kids like to go into Mexico. It also didn't help that our
illustrious governor was complaining about beheadings in the desert when
the ones that did happen were all across the line. There have been a
couple in Phoenix but they weren't necessarily border related.
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@,net>
http://www.texastribune.org/texas-mexico-border-news/texas-mexico-borde
r/fact-checking-gov-perry-obamas-lie/
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Sleep well, tonight.....

RD (The Sandman)
Lookout
2012-03-21 15:22:22 UTC
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Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@,net>
Post by JohnJohnsn
Post by Ray Fischer
Post by walt tonne
There is a direct correlation between the size of the latin
population and the local crime rate.
Usually inverse - cities on the border with Mexico have lower
crime rates.
Evidence?
Looks like he is right.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/story/2011/07/us-mexico-border-violence/49399232/1
http://www.texastribune.org/texas-mexico-border-news/texas-mexico-border/fact-checking-gov-perry-obamas-lie/
Still no proof of cause and effect
Nickname unavailable
2012-03-20 21:24:21 UTC
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Post by JohnJohnsn
Post by Ray Fischer
Post by walt tonne
There is a direct correlation between the size of the latin
population and the local crime rate.
Usually inverse - cities on the border with Mexico have lower
crime rates.
Evidence?
Post by Ray Fischer
A fact which racist bigots don't like to acknowledge.
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter
to his preconceived world view, and the more difficult it becomes
for him to refute it without losing face, the chance of him calling
you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity.
Said leftist will display his own racism in his responses accusing
you of same and never get the irony of it.
http://tinyurl.com/Irony-Meter-Pegged
Care to back up that "fact" (thusfar, an unsupported assertion,
actually) with some _real_ "facts," Raymond?
prominent conservative republican says he's running in opposition to
increasing federal reach into the county, just as ayn rand
feared:White supremacist sheriff candidate says he’s just a concerned
citizen

funny how closely tied conservatism/libertairanism, and fascism
are:)))

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/white-supremacist-sheriff-candid...

White supremacist sheriff candidate says he’s just a “concerned
citizen”

By Eric Pfeiffer

Shaun Winkler stands next to Aryan Nations leader Richard Butler
during a 2001 Idaho protest (AP/Jason Hunt)
Distasteful and often baseless accusations of racial insensitivity are
nothing new in politics. But one man running for sheriff in Idaho
proudly proclaims his prejudice but says he won't discriminate on the
job.
According to the Bonner County Daily Bee, local sheriff candidate
Shaun Patrick Winkler, 33, has ties to the Aryan Nations and Church of
Jesus Christ-Christian, both white supremacist organizations. And
despite having taken part in race-based protests, Winkler says he's
running in opposition to "increasing federal reach" into the county.
"Whether people will believe me or not, it will be entirely up to
their own discretion," Winkler told the paper.
Winkler is running for the Republican nomination in Bonner County,
which will be held on May 15, against two other men, including the
current sheriff.
"I don't look at myself as a vigilante," Winkler said. "I look at
myself as a concerned citizen."
Back in 2001, the creator of Prodigy Internet service provider, Greg
Carr, purchased the Aryan Nations' headquarters in Idaho and turned it
into a anti-racism museum and human rights center.
Post by JohnJohnsn
Post by Ray Fischer
--
Ray Fischer           | None are more hopelessly enslaved than
                               | those who falsely believe they are free.
A man's manners are a mirror in which he shows his portrait.
--Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
Behavior is the mirror in which everyone shows their image.
--Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
A person places themselves on a level with the ones they praise (or
deride)
--Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
Nickname unavailable
2012-03-20 21:26:24 UTC
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Post by JohnJohnsn
Post by Ray Fischer
Post by walt tonne
There is a direct correlation between the size of the latin
population and the local crime rate.
Usually inverse - cities on the border with Mexico have lower
crime rates.
Evidence?
Post by Ray Fischer
A fact which racist bigots don't like to acknowledge.
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter
to his preconceived world view, and the more difficult it becomes
for him to refute it without losing face, the chance of him calling
you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity.
Said leftist will display his own racism in his responses accusing
you of same and never get the irony of it.
http://tinyurl.com/Irony-Meter-Pegged
Care to back up that "fact" (thusfar, an unsupported assertion,
actually) with some _real_ "facts," Raymond?
conservatives are always saying its the left that hates:you can always
tell whats on the mind of a conservative, when they accuse others of
what they themselves are thinking:Don’t Re-Nig the racist anti-Obama
bumper sticker appears real

well the left is only responding to the overwhelming hate being spewed
by conservatives

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/racist-don-t-nig-anti-obama-bump...

‘Don’t Re-Nig,’ the racist anti-Obama bumper sticker, appears real

By Eric Pfeiffer

Is this racist, anti-Obama bumper sticker real?
An image purporting to show a racist, anti-Obama bumper sticker on the
back of a vehicle has been garnering lots of attention on Facebook in
the past 24 hours.
The bumper sticker reads, "Don't Re-Nig in 2012." And in smaller print
below, "Stop repeat offenders. Don't' reelect Obama!" The sticker also
features an image of the Obama campaign logo crossed out.
Several viewers have claimed the image has been digitally altered.
After all, it seems shocking that someone would proudly display an
openly racist image on their vehicle in 2012. So, is the image
authentic?
In short, yes.
It's still unclear is the image of the vehicle has been altered in any
way, but a website called "Stumpy's Stickers" offers the bumper
sticker for sale for $3. And as The Root points out, the site also
several other racially insensitive items for sale as well. The urban
myth debunking site Snopes says it cannot yet determine the origins of
the photo, but also points out the availability of other similar t-
shirts and bumper stickers.

There is even an eponymous "Dontre-nig.com" website that appears to
have crashed. Going to the page brings up a "Bandwith Limit Exceeded"
warning message. I checked the domain registration service site WHOIS,
which listed the site as belonging to an anonymous owner who purchased
the URL through the company DomainsByProxy.com, based in Scottsdale,
Arizona. The company specializes in keeping the names of Internet
domain owners private.
And as one astute Facebook reader pointed out, the bumper sticker is
not only offensive, it's pretty dumb. After all, if you take the top
message at its literal meaning, to not renege in 2012, would mean to
in fact re-elect President Obama.
Post by JohnJohnsn
Post by Ray Fischer
--
Ray Fischer           | None are more hopelessly enslaved than
                               | those who falsely believe they are free.
A man's manners are a mirror in which he shows his portrait.
--Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
Behavior is the mirror in which everyone shows their image.
--Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
A person places themselves on a level with the ones they praise (or
deride)
--Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
Nickname unavailable
2012-03-20 21:30:42 UTC
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Post by JohnJohnsn
Post by Ray Fischer
Post by walt tonne
There is a direct correlation between the size of the latin
population and the local crime rate.
Usually inverse - cities on the border with Mexico have lower
crime rates.
Evidence?
Post by Ray Fischer
A fact which racist bigots don't like to acknowledge.
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter
to his preconceived world view, and the more difficult it becomes
for him to refute it without losing face, the chance of him calling
you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity.
Said leftist will display his own racism in his responses accusing
you of same and never get the irony of it.
http://tinyurl.com/Irony-Meter-Pegged
Care to back up that "fact" (thusfar, an unsupported assertion,
actually) with some _real_ "facts," Raymond?
its so easy to fool a conservative:after all, conservatism is a form
of mental illness:)a 2007 selective exposure study found Republicans
overwhelmingly chose to read fake articles labeled with the Fox News
logo:but chose a story running under a CNN or NPR logo just 10
percent 
of the time
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-mooney/want-to-understand-republ_...
Chris Mooney 
Author, 'The Republican War on Science' and 'The
Republican Brain'
Want to Understand Republicans? First Understand Evolution 
Posted:
02/ 8/2012 10:26 am
Earlier this week, yesterday's Republican primary champ Rick Santorum
called global warming a "hoax." Yes, a hoax. In other words,
apparently scientists are in a global cabal to needlessly alarm us
about what's happening with the climate -- and why would they do such
a thing? 
Well, presumably to help advance an economy-choking agenda
of global 
governance -- or perhaps, to line their own pockets with
government 
research grants. Seriously. 
Santorum's absurd global
warming conspiracy theory is the kind of 
thing that absolutely
outrages liberals -- but to my mind, they really 
ought to be getting
used to it by now. From global warming denial to 
claims about "death
panels" to baseless fears about inflation, it 
often seems there are
so many factually wrong claims on the political 
right that those who
make them live in a different reality. 
So here's an idea: Maybe they
actually do. And maybe we can look to 
science itself -- albeit,
ironically, a body of science whose 
fundamental premise (the theory
of evolution) most  Republicans deny 
-- to help understand why it is
that they view the world so 
differently. 
In my last piece here, I
commented on the growing body of research 
suggesting that the
difference between liberals and conservatives is 
not merely
ideological in nature. Rather, it seems more deeply rooted 
in
psychology and the brain -- with ideology itself emerging as a kind
of by-product of fundamentally different patterns of perceiving and
responding to the world that spill over into many aspects of life,
not 
just the political. 
To back this up, I listed seven published
studies showing a consistent 
set of physiological, brain, and
"attentional" differences between 
liberals and conservatives. Later
on my blog, I listed no less than 
eleven studies showing genetic
differences as well. 
Last month, yet another scientific paper on this
subject came out -- 
from the National Science Foundation-supported
political physiology 
laboratory at the University of Nebraska-
Lincoln. The work, published 
in Philosophical Transactions of the
Royal Society B (free version 
here), goes further still in helping us
understand how biological and 
physiological differences between
liberals and conservatives may lead 
to very different patterns of
political behavior. 
As the new research suggests, conservatism is
largely a defensive 
ideology -- and therefore, much more appealing to
people who go 
through life sensitive and highly attuned to aversive
or threatening 
aspects of their environments. By contrast, liberalism
can be thought 
of as an exploratory ideology -- much more appealing
to people who go 
through life trying things out and seeking the new.
All of this is reflected, in a measurable way, in the physiological
responses that liberals and conservatives show to emotionally
evocative but otherwise entirely apolitical images -- and also to
images of politicians, either on their own side or from across the
aisle. 
To show as much, the Nebraska-Lincoln researchers had liberals
and 
conservatives look at varying combinations of images that were
meant 
to excite different emotions. There were images that caused
fear and 
disgust -- a spider crawling on a person's face, maggots in
an open 
wound -- but also images that made you feel happy: a smiling
child, a 
bunny rabbit. The researchers also mixed in images of
liberal and 
conservative politicians -- Bill and Hillary Clinton,
Ronald Reagan 
and George W. Bush. 
While they did all of this, the
scientists measured the subjects' 
"skin conductance" -- the
moistening of their sweat glands, an 
indication of sympathetic
nervous system arousal -- as well as where 
their eyes went first and
how long they stayed there. 
The difference was striking:
Conservatives showed much stronger skin 
responses to negative images,
compared with the positive ones. 
Liberals showed the opposite. And
when the scientists turned to 
studying eye gaze or "attentional"
patterns, they found that 
conservatives looked much more quickly at
negative or threatening 
images, and spent more time fixating on them.
Liberals, in contrast, 
were less quickly drawn to negative images --
and spent more time 
looking at positive ones. 
Similar things have
been found before -- but the big breakthrough in 
the new study was
showing that these tendencies carried over perfectly 
to the different
sides' responses to images of politicians. 
Conservatives had stronger
rapid fire physiological responses to 
images of Bill and Hillary
Clinton -- apparently perceiving them much 
as they perceive a threat.
By contrast, liberals showed stronger 
responses to the same two
politicians, apparently perceiving them much 
as they perceive an
appetitive or positive stimulus. 
As the authors concluded, "The
aversive in life is more 
physiologically and cognitively tangible to
some people and they tend 
to gravitate to the political right." 
What
does this mean? 
To my mind, it means it is high time to grapple with
a fact that we 
like to conveniently ignore: the left and the right
are deeply 
asymmetrical actors in our politics. If we could
acknowledge this, it 
might explain an awful lot. 
For instance,
consider a few observations that seem to take on new 
resonance in
light of the latest research: 
The Tea Party hates President Obama
much more intensely than liberals 
love him. Or to state things less
judgmentally, there is an "intensity 
gap," as the Pew Research Center
puts it, between the right's 
political base and that of the left. 
As
of last May, for instance, 84 percent of staunch conservatives
strongly disapproved of Obama's job performance, but only 64 percent
of solid liberals approved of it. Meanwhile, 70 percent of staunch
conservatives viewed Obama very unfavorably, but only 45 percent of
solid liberals had very favorable views of him. 
What's going on here?
To conservatives, the new research implies, 
President Obama may
literally be an aversive and threatening stimuli 
(or, perhaps, a
disgust-evoking one). They fixate on him, and respond 
to him,
physiologically, in a defensive fashion. 
For liberals, in contrast,
Obama was surely once very appealing, 
perhaps circa 2008, and excited
positive and appetitive emotions. But 
they've since grown bored or
disillusioned with him and gone on to 
sample many other things in the
environment -- like Occupy Wall Street 
-- always exploring and
searching for the new. (All of which, 
incidentally, may translate
into a very serious electoral disadvantage 
this fall.) 
Conservatives
opt for Fox News much more strongly than liberals opt 
for any single
outlet. In a 2007 "selective exposure" study by 
Stanford researcher
Shanto Iyengar, it was found Republicans 
overwhelmingly chose to read
fake articles labeled with the "Fox News" 
logo, but chose a story
running under a CNN or NPR logo just 10 
percent of the time. By
contrast,  Democrats in the study didn't like 
Fox, but also didn't
show a strong affinity for a particular 
alternative news source --
they seemed to sample information sources 
more widely. 
What's going
on here? One possibility is that in a political 
environment filled
with perceived threats, Fox helps conservatives 
feel secure by giving
them ideologically consistent and reassuring 
information.
Alternatively, perhaps Fox's constant negative framing of 
liberals,
and of other news sources, appeals to or even excites 
conservatives,
whipping them up for political battle. 
Either way, liberals just
don't seem to need an outlet like Fox. 
Again, they're busy chasing
after the new and different -- out 
exploring, rather than hunkering
down. 
The big question lying behind all this, of course, is why some
people 
would have stronger and quicker responses than others to that
which is 
perceived as negative and threatening (and disgusting). Or
alternatively, why some people -- liberals -- would be less threat
aversive than others. For as the University of Nebraska-Lincoln
researchers note: "given the compelling evolutionary logic for
organisms to be overly sensitive to aversive stimuli, it may be that
those on the political left are more out of step with adaptive
behaviors." 
And thus are we drawn to the only context in which we can
make any 
sense of any of this -- the understanding that we human
primates 
evolved. As such, these rapid-fire responses to aversive
stimuli are 
something we share with other animals -- a core part of
our life- 
saving biological wiring. 
And apparently, they differ in
strength and intensity from person to 
person -- in turn triggering
political differences in modern 
democracies. Who knew? 
For now, I'll
leave it to others to speculate on the root causes of 
these
differences. But whatever those may be, the perceptual gap 
between
left and right certainly seems less than "adaptive" at the 
present
moment. It may be the fault of biology that we're now 
misfiring so
very badly -- clashing in ways that, as with the debt 
ceiling fiasco,
could have gravely harmed everybody in America, 
regardless of their
particular ideology. 
The Nebraska-Lincoln scientists interpret their
results as a powerful 
argument in favor of greater political
tolerance and understanding -- 
and I agree with them. Politics isn't
war, and it isn't zero sum. It 
requires negotiation and compromise.
Surely our public debates should 
be guided by something more than
threat responses and fight-or-flight. 
So how do we get beyond our
political biology? Well, the implication 
for liberals seems obvious:
If they want to fare better politically, 
they need to learn to go
against their instincts and stay focused and 
committed. 
And the
lesson for conservatives? Well, here it is tougher. You see, 
first
we'd have to get them to accept something they often view as 
aversive
and threatening: The theory of evolution.
Post by JohnJohnsn
Post by Ray Fischer
--
Ray Fischer           | None are more hopelessly enslaved than
                               | those who falsely believe they are free.
A man's manners are a mirror in which he shows his portrait.
--Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
Behavior is the mirror in which everyone shows their image.
--Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
A person places themselves on a level with the ones they praise (or
deride)
--Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
Nickname unavailable
2012-03-20 21:29:59 UTC
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Post by JohnJohnsn
Post by Ray Fischer
Post by walt tonne
There is a direct correlation between the size of the latin
population and the local crime rate.
Usually inverse - cities on the border with Mexico have lower
crime rates.
Evidence?
Post by Ray Fischer
A fact which racist bigots don't like to acknowledge.
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter
to his preconceived world view, and the more difficult it becomes
for him to refute it without losing face, the chance of him calling
you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity.
Said leftist will display his own racism in his responses accusing
you of same and never get the irony of it.
http://tinyurl.com/Irony-Meter-Pegged
Care to back up that "fact" (thusfar, an unsupported assertion,
actually) with some _real_ "facts," Raymond?
gee duh, whoda ever thunk:conservatism has been linked to low
i.q.'s:)))Low-intelligence adults tend to gravitate toward socially
conservative ideologies the study found:Those ideologies in turn
stress hierarchy/resistance to change attitudes that can contribute to
prejudice



Low IQ & Conservative Beliefs Linked to Prejudice
By Stephanie Pappas | LiveScience.com – 3 hrs ago

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There's no gentle way to put it: People who give in to racism and
prejudice may simply be dumb, according to a new study that is bound
to stir public controversy.
The research finds that children with low intelligence are more likely
to hold prejudiced attitudes as adults. These findings point to a
vicious cycle, according to lead researcher Gordon Hodson, a
psychologist at Brock University in Ontario. Low-intelligence adults
tend to gravitate toward socially conservative ideologies, the study
found. Those ideologies, in turn, stress hierarchy and resistance to
change, attitudes that can contribute to prejudice, Hodson wrote in an
email to LiveScience.
"Prejudice is extremely complex and multifaceted, making it critical
that any factors contributing to bias are uncovered and understood,"
he said.
Controversy ahead
The findings combine three hot-button topics.
"They've pulled off the trifecta of controversial topics," said Brian
Nosek, a social and cognitive psychologist at the University of
Virginia who was not involved in the study. "When one selects
intelligence, political ideology and racism and looks at any of the
relationships between those three variables, it's bound to upset
somebody."
Polling data and social and political science research do show that
prejudice is more common in those who hold right-wing ideals that
those of other political persuasions, Nosek told LiveScience. [7
Thoughts That Are Bad For You]
"The unique contribution here is trying to make some progress on the
most challenging aspect of this," Nosek said, referring to the new
study. "It's not that a relationship like that exists, but why it
exists."
Brains and bias
Earlier studies have found links between low levels of education and
higher levels of prejudice, Hodson said, so studying intelligence
seemed a logical next step. The researchers turned to two studies of
citizens in the United Kingdom, one that has followed babies since
their births in March 1958, and another that did the same for babies
born in April 1970. The children in the studies had their intelligence
assessed at age 10 or 11; as adults ages 30 or 33, their levels of
social conservatism and racism were measured. [Life's Extremes:
Democrat vs. Republican]
In the first study, verbal and nonverbal intelligence was measured
using tests that asked people to find similarities and differences
between words, shapes and symbols. The second study measured cognitive
abilities in four ways, including number recall, shape-drawing tasks,
defining words and identifying patterns and similarities among words.
Average IQ is set at 100.
Social conservatives were defined as people who agreed with a laundry
list of statements such as "Family life suffers if mum is working full-
time," and "Schools should teach children to obey authority."
Attitudes toward other races were captured by measuring agreement with
statements such as "I wouldn't mind working with people from other
races." (These questions measured overt prejudiced attitudes, but most
people, no matter how egalitarian, do hold unconscious racial biases;
Hodson's work can't speak to this "underground" racism.)
As suspected, low intelligence in childhood corresponded with racism
in adulthood. But the factor that explained the relationship between
these two variables was political: When researchers included social
conservatism in the analysis, those ideologies accounted for much of
the link between brains and bias.
People with lower cognitive abilities also had less contact with
people of other races.
"This finding is consistent with recent research demonstrating that
intergroup contact is mentally challenging and cognitively draining,
and consistent with findings that contact reduces prejudice," said
Hodson, who along with his colleagues published these results online
Jan. 5 in the journal Psychological Science.
A study of averages
Hodson was quick to note that the despite the link found between low
intelligence and social conservatism, the researchers aren't implying
that all liberals are brilliant and all conservatives stupid. The
research is a study of averages over large groups, he said.
"There are multiple examples of very bright conservatives and not-so-
bright liberals, and many examples of very principled conservatives
and very intolerant liberals," Hodson said.
Nosek gave another example to illustrate the dangers of taking the
findings too literally.
"We can say definitively men are taller than women on average," he
said. "But you can't say if you take a random man and you take a
random woman that the man is going to be taller. There's plenty of
overlap."
Nonetheless, there is reason to believe that strict right-wing
ideology might appeal to those who have trouble grasping the
complexity of the world.
"Socially conservative ideologies tend to offer structure and order,"
Hodson said, explaining why these beliefs might draw those with low
intelligence. "Unfortunately, many of these features can also
contribute to prejudice."
In another study, this one in the United States, Hodson and Busseri
compared 254 people with the same amount of education but different
levels of ability in abstract reasoning. They found that what applies
to racism may also apply to homophobia. People who were poorer at
abstract reasoning were more likely to exhibit prejudice against gays.
As in the U.K. citizens, a lack of contact with gays and more
acceptance of right-wing authoritarianism explained the link. [5 Myths
About Gay People Debunked]
Simple viewpoints
Hodson and Busseri's explanation of their findings is reasonable,
Nosek said, but it is correlational. That means the researchers didn't
conclusively prove that the low intelligence caused the later
prejudice. To do that, you'd have to somehow randomly assign otherwise
identical people to be smart or dumb, liberal or conservative. Those
sorts of studies obviously aren't possible.
The researchers controlled for factors such as education and
socioeconomic status, making their case stronger, Nosek said. But
there are other possible explanations that fit the data. For example,
Nosek said, a study of left-wing liberals with stereotypically naïve
views like "every kid is a genius in his or her own way," might find
that people who hold these attitudes are also less bright. In other
words, it might not be a particular ideology that is linked to
stupidity, but extremist views in general.
"My speculation is that it's not as simple as their model presents
it," Nosek said. "I think that lower cognitive capacity can lead to
multiple simple ways to represent the world, and one of those can be
embodied in a right-wing ideology where 'People I don't know are
threats' and 'The world is a dangerous place'. ... Another simple way
would be to just assume everybody is wonderful."
Prejudice is of particular interest because understanding the roots of
racism and bias could help eliminate them, Hodson said. For example,
he said, many anti-prejudice programs encourage participants to see
things from another group's point of view. That mental exercise may be
too taxing for people of low IQ.
"There may be cognitive limits in the ability to take the perspective
of others, particularly foreigners," Hodson said. "Much of the present
research literature suggests that our prejudices are primarily
emotional in origin rather than cognitive. These two pieces of
information suggest that it might be particularly fruitful for
researchers to consider strategies to change feelings toward
outgroups," rather than thoughts.
You can follow LiveScience senior writer Stephanie Pappas on Twitter
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--Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
Behavior is the mirror in which everyone shows their image.
--Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
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There is a direct correlation between the size of the latin
population and the local crime rate.
Usually inverse - cities on the border with Mexico have lower
crime rates.
Evidence?
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A fact which racist bigots don't like to acknowledge.
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter
to his preconceived world view, and the more difficult it becomes
for him to refute it without losing face, the chance of him calling
you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity.
Said leftist will display his own racism in his responses accusing
you of same and never get the irony of it.
http://tinyurl.com/Irony-Meter-Pegged
Care to back up that "fact" (thusfar, an unsupported assertion,
actually) with some _real_ "facts," Raymond?
it is based on empirical fact:the journal Psychological Science which
revealed that people with conservative beliefs are likely to be of
low
intelligence:Conservatism Thrives on Low Intelligence/Poor
Information:the effects of the Conservative appeal to stupidity are
making themselves felt
http://www.alternet.org/story/154082/Conservatism_Thrives_on_Low_Inte...
Conservatism Thrives on Low Intelligence and Poor Information 
There
is plenty of research showing that low general intelligence in
childhood predicts greater prejudice towards people of different
ethnicity or sexuality in adulthood. 
February 12, 2012  |
 Self-deprecating, too liberal for their own good, today's
progressives stand back and watch, hands over their mouths, as the
social vivisectionists of the right slice up a living society to see
if its component parts can survive in isolation. Tied up in knots of
reticence and self-doubt, they will not shout stop. Doing so requires
an act of interruption, of presumption, for which they no longer
possess a vocabulary. 
Perhaps it is in the same spirit of liberal
constipation that, with 
the exception of Charlie Brooker, we have
been too polite to mention 
the Canadian study published last month in
the journal Psychological 
Science, which revealed that people with
conservative beliefs are 
likely to be of low intelligence.
Paradoxically it was the Daily Mail 
that brought it to the attention
of British readers last week. It 
feels crude, illiberal to point out
that the other side is, on 
average, more stupid than our own. But
this, the study suggests, is 
not unfounded generalisation but
empirical fact. 
It is by no means the first such paper. There is
plenty of research 
showing that low general intelligence in childhood
predicts greater 
prejudice towards people of different ethnicity or
sexuality in 
adulthood. Open-mindedness, flexibility, trust in other
people: all 
these require certain cognitive abilities. Understanding
and accepting 
others – particularly "different" others – requires an
enhanced 
capacity for abstract thinking. 
But, drawing on a sample
size of several thousand, correcting for both 
education and
socioeconomic status, the new study looks embarrassingly 
robust.
Importantly, it shows that prejudice tends not to arise 
directly from
low intelligence but from the conservative ideologies to 
which people
of low intelligence are drawn. Conservative ideology is 
the "critical
pathway" from low intelligence to racism. Those with low 
cognitive
abilities are attracted to "rightwing ideologies that 
promote
coherence and order" and "emphasise the maintenance of the 
status
quo". Even for someone not yet renowned for liberal reticence, 
this
feels hard to write. 
This is not to suggest that all conservatives
are stupid. There are 
some very clever people in government, advising
politicians, running 
thinktanks and writing for newspapers, who have
acquired power and 
influence by promoting rightwing ideologies. 
But
what we now see among their parties – however intelligent their
guiding spirits may be – is the abandonment of any pretence of high-
minded conservatism. On both sides of the Atlantic, conservative
strategists have discovered that there is no pool so shallow that
several million people won't drown in it. Whether they are promoting
the idea that Barack Obama was not born in the US, that man-made
climate change is an eco-fascist-communist-anarchist conspiracy, or
that the deficit results from the greed of the poor, they now appeal
to the basest, stupidest impulses, and find that it does them no harm
in the polls. 
Don't take my word for it. Listen to what two former
Republican 
ideologues, David Frum and Mike Lofgren, have been saying.
Frum warns 
that "conservatives have built a whole alternative
knowledge system, 
with its own facts, its own history, its own laws
of economics". The 
result is a "shift to ever more extreme, ever more
fantasy-based 
ideology" which has "ominous real-world consequences
for American 
society". 
Lofgren complains that "the crackpot outliers
of two decades ago have 
become the vital centre today". The
Republican party, with its 
"prevailing anti-intellectualism and
hostility to science" is 
appealing to what he calls the "low-
information voter", or the 
"misinformation voter". While most office
holders probably don't 
believe the "reactionary and paranoid
claptrap" they peddle, "they 
cynically feed the worst instincts of
their fearful and angry low- 
information political base". 
The
madness hasn't gone as far in the UK, but the effects of the
Conservative appeal to stupidity are making themselves felt. This
week 
the Guardian reported that recipients of disability benefits,
scapegoated by the government as scroungers, blamed for the
deficit, now find themselves subject to a new level of hostility and
threats from other people. 
These are the perfect conditions for a
billionaires' feeding frenzy. 
Any party elected by misinformed,
suggestible voters becomes a vehicle 
for undisclosed interests. A tax
break for the 1% is dressed up as 
freedom for the 99%. The regulation
that prevents big banks and 
corporations exploiting us becomes an
assault on the working man and 
woman. Those of us who discuss man-
made climate change are cast as 
elitists by people who happily
embrace the claims of Lord 
Monckton, Lord Lawson or thinktanks funded
by ExxonMobil or the Koch 
brothers: now the authentic voices of the
working class. 
But when I survey this wreckage I wonder who the real
idiots are. 
Confronted with mass discontent, the once-progressive
major parties, 
as Thomas Frank laments in his latest book Pity the
Billionaire, 
triangulate and accommodate, hesitate and prevaricate,
muzzled by what 
he calls "terminal niceness". They fail to produce a
coherent analysis 
of what has gone wrong and why, or to make an
uncluttered case for 
social justice, redistribution and regulation.
The conceptual 
stupidities of conservatism are matched by the
strategic stupidities 
of liberalism. 
Yes, conservatism thrives on
low intelligence and poor information. 
But the liberals in politics
on both sides of the Atlantic continue to 
back off, yielding to the
supremacy of the stupid. It's turkeys all 
the way down.
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Ray Fischer           | None are more hopelessly enslaved than
                               | those who falsely believe they are free.
A man's manners are a mirror in which he shows his portrait.
--Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
Behavior is the mirror in which everyone shows their image.
--Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
A person places themselves on a level with the ones they praise (or
deride)
--Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
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Post by walt tonne
There is a direct correlation between the size of the latin
population and the local crime rate.
Usually inverse - cities on the border with Mexico have lower
crime rates.
Evidence?
Post by Ray Fischer
A fact which racist bigots don't like to acknowledge.
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter
to his preconceived world view, and the more difficult it becomes
for him to refute it without losing face, the chance of him calling
you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity.
Said leftist will display his own racism in his responses accusing
you of same and never get the irony of it.
http://tinyurl.com/Irony-Meter-Pegged
Care to back up that "fact" (thusfar, an unsupported assertion,
actually) with some _real_ "facts," Raymond?
BREAKING NEWS:9 conservatives charged with conspiracy to kill police
officers in hopes of triggering a violent uprising against the
democratically elected government of the unites states of america:to
levy war against the United States

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100329/ap_on_re_us/us_fbi_raids


9 militia members charged in police-killing plot

By COREY WILLIAMS and DEVLIN BARRETT, Associated Press Writers –
1 hr 1 min ago
DETROIT – Nine suspects tied to a Midwest Christian militia that was
preparing for the Antichrist were charged with conspiring to kill
police officers, then attack a funeral using homemade bombs in the
hopes of killing more law enforcement personnel, federal prosecutors
said Monday.
The Michigan-based group, called Hutaree, planned to use the attack on
police as a catalyst for a larger uprising against the government,
according to newly unsealed court papers. U.S. Attorney Barbara
McQuade said agents moved on the group because its members were
planning a violent reconnaissance mission sometime in April.
Members of the group, including its leader, David Brian Stone, also
known as "Captain Hutaree," were charged following FBI raids over the
weekend on locations in Michigan, Ohio and Indiana.
The idea of attacking a police funeral was one of numerous scenarios
discussed as ways to go after law enforcement officers, the indictment
said. Other scenarios included a fake 911 call to lure an officer to
his or her death, or an attack on the family of a police officer.
Once other officers gathered for a slain officer's funeral, the group
planned to detonate homemade bombs at the funeral, killing more,
according to the indictment.
After such attacks, the group allegedly planned to retreat to "rally
points" protected by trip-wired improvised explosive devices, or IEDs,
for what they expected would become a violent standoff with law
enforcement personnel.
"It is believed by the Hutaree that this engagement would then serve
as a catalyst for a more wide-spread uprising against the government,"
the indictment charges.
According to investigators, the Hutaree view local, state, and federal
law enforcement personnel as a "brotherhood" and an enemy, and planned
to attack them as part of an armed struggle against the U.S.
government.
The indictment charges members of the group conspired "to levy war
against the United States, (and) to oppose by force the authority of
the government of the United States."
Eight suspects have been arrested by the FBI, and one more is being
sought. Of the eight captured, seven were arraigned Monday in Detroit
and ordered held pending a bond hearing Wednesday.
The charges against the eight include seditious conspiracy, possessing
a firearm during a crime of violence, teaching the use of explosives,
and attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction — homemade bombs.
All seven defendants in court on Monday requested to be represented by
the federal defender's office.
The case "is an example of radical and extremist fringe groups which
can be found throughout our society. The FBI takes such extremist
groups seriously, especially those who would target innocent citizens
and the law enforcement officers who protect the citizens of the
United States," said Andrew Arena, head of the FBI's field office in
Detroit.
Stone's ex-wife, Donna Stone, told The Associated Press before the
arraignments that her former husband was to blame for pulling her son
into the Hutaree movement. She said David Brian Stone legally adopted
her son, David Brian Stone Jr., who is among those indicted. She said
the marriage lasted about 10 years.
"It started out as a Christian thing," said Donna Stone, 44. "You go
to church. You pray. You take care of your family. I think David
started to take it a little too far. He dragged a lot of people with
him."
Another son of David Brian Stone, Joshua Matthew Stone, is also
indicted and currently a fugitive, said Detroit FBI spokeswoman Sandra
Berchtold.
On its Web site, Hutaree quotes several Bible passages and states: "We
believe that one day, as prophecy says, there will be an Anti-
Christ. ... Jesus wanted us to be ready to defend ourselves using the
sword and stay alive using equipment." There's also a picture on the
site of 17 camouflaged men, all holding large guns.
The group didn't return an e-mail sent by The Associated Press, and
attempts by telephone to reach the Stones went unanswered.
FBI agents in Michigan swarmed a rural, wooded property Saturday
evening in Adrian, about 70 miles southwest of Detroit. That same
night in Hammond, Ind., law enforcement agents flooded a neighborhood,
startling workers at a nearby pizzeria. And in Ohio authorities
blocked off streets and raided two homes.
In Adrian, two ramshackle trailers sat side-by-side on the property,
the door to one slightly ajar late Sunday as if it had been forced
open. Phyllis Brugger, who has lived in the area for more than 30
years, said some people who lived there were known as having ties to
militia. They would shoot guns and often wore camouflage, according to
Brugger and her daughter, Heidi Wood.
"Everybody knew they were militia," Brugger said. "You don't mess with
them."
In Hammond, 18-year-old George Ponce, who works at a pizzeria next
door to a home that was raided, said he and a few co-workers stepped
outside for a break Saturday night and saw a swarm of law enforcement.
"I heard a yell, 'Get back inside!' and saw a squad member pointing a
rifle at us," Ponce said. "They told us the bomb squad was going in,
sweeping the house looking for bombs."
He said another agent was in the bushes near the house, and law
enforcement vehicles were "all over." He estimated that agents took
more than two dozen guns from the house.
In Ohio, one of the raids occurred at Bayshore Estates, a well-kept
trailer park in Sandusky, a small city on Lake Erie between Toledo and
Cleveland. Neighbors said the man taken into custody lived in a
trailer on a cul-de-sac with his wife and two young children.
___
Barrett reported from Washington. Associated Press writers David
Aguilar and Jeff Karoub in Detroit; Mike Householder in Adrian; Rick
Callahan and Charles Wilson in Indianapolis; John Seewer in Sandusky,
Ohio; and Matt Leingang in Columbus, Ohio, contributed to this story.
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Ray Fischer           | None are more hopelessly enslaved than
                               | those who falsely believe they are free.
A man's manners are a mirror in which he shows his portrait.
--Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
Behavior is the mirror in which everyone shows their image.
--Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
A person places themselves on a level with the ones they praise (or
deride)
--Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
walt tonne
2012-03-20 22:12:44 UTC
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If this is the usual federal "big case" watch out for entrapment
issues.
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If this is the usual federal "big case" watch out for entrapment
issues.
either that, or you could take a pill.
JohnJohnsn
2012-03-21 00:08:54 UTC
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If this is the usual federal "big case" watch out for entrapment
issues.
either that, or you could take a pill.
Lance Ringquist; a/k/a "Vide" and "Nickname unavailable"
<***@tcq.net> goes "Over The Hedge" and posts seven "I Hate
Conservatives!" messages to Usenet thread.

Tell us, Lance: Do you have fever with these fits?

You really need to seek professional psychiatric help for your
"FNS" (Fox Hews Derangement Syndrome), "RDS" (“Republican Derangement
Syndrome”) and "CDS" (“Conservative Derangement Syndrome”).

"You are one... sick... puppy!"
--Captain Felix
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If this is the usual federal "big case" watch out for entrapment
issues.
 either that, or you could take a pill.
Lance Ringquist; a/k/a "Vide" and "Nickname unavailable"
Conservatives!" messages to Usenet thread.
Tell us, Lance: Do you have fever with these fits?
You really need to seek professional psychiatric help for your
"FNS" (Fox Hews Derangement Syndrome), "RDS" (“Republican Derangement
Syndrome”) and "CDS" (“Conservative Derangement Syndrome”).
"You are one... sick... puppy!"
--Captain Felix
more implied threats. its all conservatives have. OBTW, you have
refuted nothing.
JohnJohnsn
2012-03-21 03:16:21 UTC
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On Mar 20, 7:51 pm,Lance Ringquist; a/k/a "Vide" and "Nickname
Post by Nickname unavailable
Post by JohnJohnsn
Post by Nickname unavailable
Post by walt tonne
If this is the usual federal "big case" watch out for entrapment
issues.
either that, or you could take a pill.
Lance Ringquist; a/k/a "Vide" and "Nickname unavailable"
"I Hate Conservatives!" messages to Usenet thread.
Tell us, Lance: Do you have fever with these fits?
You really need to seek professional psychiatric help for your "FNS"
(Fox Hews Derangement Syndrome), "RDS" (“Republican Derangement
Syndrome”) and "CDS" (“Conservative Derangement Syndrome”).
"You are one... sick... puppy!"
--Captain Felix
more implied threats. its all conservatives have.
Paranoid Schizophrenia; it's apparent in all Liberal Socialists.

Care to make a feeble attempt at identifying your so-called "implied
threats," Lance?
Post by Nickname unavailable
OBTW, you have refuted nothing.
No need, Lance; your "source" is self-refuting.
Nickname unavailable
2012-03-21 03:46:43 UTC
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On Mar 20, 7:51 pm,Lance Ringquist; a/k/a "Vide" and "Nickname
Post by Nickname unavailable
Post by JohnJohnsn
Post by walt tonne
If this is the usual federal "big case" watch out for entrapment
issues.
 either that, or you could take a pill.
Lance Ringquist; a/k/a "Vide" and "Nickname unavailable"
"I Hate Conservatives!" messages to Usenet thread.
Tell us, Lance: Do you have fever with these fits?
You really need to seek professional psychiatric help for your "FNS"
(Fox Hews Derangement Syndrome), "RDS" (“Republican Derangement
Syndrome”) and "CDS" (“Conservative Derangement Syndrome”).
"You are one... sick... puppy!"
--Captain Felix
more implied threats. its all conservatives have.
Paranoid Schizophrenia; it's apparent in all Liberal Socialists.
Care to make a feeble attempt at identifying your so-called "implied
threats," Lance?
Post by Nickname unavailable
OBTW, you have refuted nothing.
No need, Lance; your "source" is self-refuting.
actually my sources are good. and actually you reply like all
conservatives reply, with nothing except implied threats, attempts to
character assassination, attempts to scare your opponents away, shout
others down, distortions, lies, bigotry, racism, homophobia, paranoia,
etc. you are nothing new. your type was in vogue for a few short years
in europe in the 1930's. we see you for what you are.
JohnJohnsn
2012-03-21 04:02:50 UTC
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On Mar 20, 10:46 pm, Lance Ringquist; a/k/a "Vide"
Post by JohnJohnsn
On Mar 20, 7:51 pm,Lance Ringquist; a/k/a "Vide" and "Nickname
Post by Nickname unavailable
Post by JohnJohnsn
Post by Nickname unavailable
Post by walt tonne
If this is the usual federal "big case" watch out for entrapment
issues.
either that, or you could take a pill.
Lance Ringquist; a/k/a "Vide" and "Nickname unavailable"
"I Hate Conservatives!" messages to Usenet thread.
Tell us, Lance: Do you have fever with these fits?
You really need to seek professional psychiatric help for your "FNS"
(Fox Hews Derangement Syndrome), "RDS" (“Republican Derangement
Syndrome”) and "CDS" (“Conservative Derangement Syndrome”).
"You are one... sick... puppy!"
--Captain Felix
more implied threats. its all conservatives have.
Paranoid Schizophrenia; it's apparent in all Liberal Socialists.
Care to make a feeble attempt at identifying your so-called
"implied threats," Lance?
No response from Lance.
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Post by Nickname unavailable
OBTW, you have refuted nothing.
No need, Lance; your "source" is self-refuting.
actually my sources are good...
...card-carrying Liberals; with their patented Libeal bias, publishing
Liberal-leaning "surveys" and "Liberals Good / Conservatives BAD"
media.
Nickname unavailable
2012-03-21 04:37:29 UTC
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On Mar 20, 10:46 pm, Lance Ringquist; a/k/a "Vide"
Post by JohnJohnsn
On Mar 20, 7:51 pm,Lance Ringquist; a/k/a "Vide" and "Nickname
Post by Nickname unavailable
Post by JohnJohnsn
Post by walt tonne
If this is the usual federal "big case" watch out for entrapment
issues.
 either that, or you could take a pill.
Lance Ringquist; a/k/a "Vide" and "Nickname unavailable"
"I Hate Conservatives!" messages to Usenet thread.
Tell us, Lance: Do you have fever with these fits?
You really need to seek professional psychiatric help for your "FNS"
(Fox Hews Derangement Syndrome), "RDS" (“Republican Derangement
Syndrome”) and "CDS" (“Conservative Derangement Syndrome”).
"You are one... sick... puppy!"
--Captain Felix
more implied threats. its all conservatives have.
Paranoid Schizophrenia; it's apparent in all Liberal Socialists.
Care to make a feeble attempt at identifying your so-called
"implied threats," Lance?
No response from Lance.
Post by JohnJohnsn
Post by Nickname unavailable
OBTW, you have refuted nothing.
No need, Lance; your "source" is self-refuting.
 actually my sources are good...
...card-carrying Liberals; with their patented Libeal bias, publishing
Liberal-leaning "surveys" and "Liberals Good / Conservatives BAD"
media.
yet, that is the standard response from a conservative when presented
with empirical facts that cannot be refuted. even the moonie times
gets it.


In blue states, families tend to be well-educated/have high-paying
jobs/ be tolerant of diversity/be politically liberal/They marry later
in life/have children in wedlock and are dedicated co-parents: Red
states have high rates of teen births, young (“shotgun”) marriages and
divorce. Red-state families are also less likely to be college
graduates, get top jobs or create households where husbands and wives
share equally in parenting and chores.



http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jul/25/red-vs-blue-family-in-black-and-white/


Red vs. blue family in black and white
Book outlines stark divisions
By Cheryl Wetzstein
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The Washington Times
Sunday, July 25, 2010
Young parents Bristol Palin and Levi Johnston may have gotten engaged
again recently, but they are still a quintessential “red” family
trying to swim against the tide of family change, say two family law
professors who have launched a debate about “red” and “blue” American
families.
The 2004 and 2008 elections showed a divided America — and that
division extends even to families, Naomi Cahn and June Carbone write
in their book, “Red Families v. Blue Families: Legal Polarization and
the Creation of Culture.”
In blue states, families tend to be well-educated, have high-paying
jobs, be tolerant of diversity and be politically liberal. They marry
later in life, have children in wedlock and are dedicated co-parents.
President Obama and first lady Michelle Obama are good examples of
this “blue” paradigm, Ms. Cahn, who teaches at George Washington
University, and Ms. Carbone, who teaches at the University of
Missouri, said at a recent event at the New America Foundation think
tank.
Red-state families, however, seem to be stuck in a time warp — they
tend to be more strict in their religious beliefs and aspire to
abstinence until marriage and marriage for life. But they often fall
short of these goals: Red states have high rates of teen births, young
(“shotgun”) marriages and divorce. Red-state families are also less
likely to be college graduates, get top jobs or create households
where husbands and wives share equally in parenting and chores.
This shows that “blue” families have adjusted to the evolution of
America’s family culture, while “red” families have not, Ms. Cahn and
Ms. Carbone said.
“The blue paradigm is the other end of the sexual revolution. Its
families have been remade and the remaking is a huge success,” they
wrote. But red families are still trying to live in bygone times, and
when children fail to live up to lofty aspirations, these families
bear the consequences.
Ms. Cahn and Ms. Carbone’s book has animated the pundits, with
criticism and praise from multiple quarters.
In California, Ruth Institute founder Jennifer Roback Morse sees
America’s family division through a different prism, one that was
outlined in the 1940s by Harvard sociologist Carle Zimmerman.
The Norman Rockwell-style “domestic” family has been “atomizing” for
decades, meaning that parents and children quickly move into
individuated lives, said Mrs. Morse, a former economics professor at
Yale and George Mason University.
Such an atomized — or “blue” — family culture cannot sustain itself,
and constantly calls for help from the state, she said. So a division
is created, but it is between families that want the state in their
lives and those that don’t.
A “domestic” family culture can regenerate, Mrs. Morse said.
But, as Mr. Zimmerman said, it reappears through a “counterrevolution”
against the state.
Others have called “Red Families v. Blue Families” groundbreaking:
“Cahn and Carbone have updated the old maxim that the personal is
political, and enormously enriched it,” Margaret Talbot wrote in the
New Yorker.
“[I]f you want to find two-parent families with stable marriages and
coddled kids, your best bet is to bypass Sarah Palin country and to go
Nancy Pelosi territory,” scholar Jonathan Rauch wrote in National
Journal magazine. That’s because in modern America, the new mantra is
“*on’t form a family until after you have finished your education and
are equipped for responsibility. … Adults form families,” he added.
As for prescriptions, Ms. Cahn and Ms. Carbone said one way to help
red families is to “change the subject” in key policy and family law
areas.
For instance, conversations could shift from abortion to
contraception. Sex education could shift to marriage education.
Second, instead of trying to shoehorn modern families into outdated
work paradigms, workplaces could be restructured to accommodate
employees who want to be fully vested in both careers and families.
But more talk about contraception doesn’t necessarily make for
stronger families because contraception often leads to multiple sex
partners, Family Research Council scholar Patrick Fagan told the New
America Foundation. Having multiple sexual partners is “part of the
equation of sexual dysfunction,” he said. “Monogamy is the key to the
stability of marriage.”
Meanwhile, news of Miss Palin and Mr. Johnston’s engagement brought a
response from Ms. Carbone.
“Most of us, of course, wish them well, and this time they might make
it work,” the professor wrote on the FamilyScholars.org blog.
However, “we are skeptical that marriage by itself is the answer that
magically makes things better,” she wrote. “In the modern era, the
question of whether they will marry may be less important than whether
they will stay married.”
Ray Fischer
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If this is the usual federal "big case" watch out for entrapment
issues.
either that, or you could take a pill.
Lance Ringquist; a/k/a "Vide" and "Nickname unavailable"
"I Hate Conservatives!" messages to Usenet thread.
Tell us, Lance: Do you have fever with these fits?
You really need to seek professional psychiatric help for your "FNS"
(Fox Hews Derangement Syndrome), "RDS" (“Republican Derangement
Syndrome”) and "CDS" (“Conservative Derangement Syndrome”).
"You are one... sick... puppy!"
--Captain Felix
more implied threats. its all conservatives have.
Paranoid Schizophrenia; it's apparent in all Liberal Socialists.
Care to make a feeble attempt at identifying your so-called
"implied threats," Lance?
No response from Lance.
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OBTW, you have refuted nothing.
No need, Lance; your "source" is self-refuting.
actually my sources are good...
...card-carrying
Like all fascists, DickDickhead is nothing but a nasty coward.
--
Ray Fischer | None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
***@sonic.net | Goethe
JohnJohnsn
2012-03-21 09:47:48 UTC
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If this is the usual federal "big case" watch out for entrapment
issues.
either that, or you could take a pill.
Lance Ringquist; a/k/a "Vide" and "Nickname unavailable"
"I Hate Conservatives!" messages to Usenet thread.
Tell us, Lance: Do you have fever with these fits?
You really need to seek professional psychiatric help for your "FNS"
(Fox Hews Derangement Syndrome), "RDS" (“Republican Derangement
Syndrome”) and "CDS" (“Conservative Derangement Syndrome”).
"You are one... sick... puppy!"
--Captain Felix
more implied threats. its all conservatives have.
Paranoid Schizophrenia; it's apparent in all Liberal Socialists.
Care to make a feeble attempt at identifying your so-called
"implied threats," Lance?
No response from Lance.
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Post by Nickname unavailable
OBTW, you have refuted nothing.
No need, Lance; your "source" is self-refuting.
actually my sources are good...
...card-carrying Liberals; with their patented Liberal bias, publishing
Liberal-leaning "surveys" and "Liberals Good / Conservatives BAD"
media.
Like all fascists, DickDickhead is nothing but a nasty coward.
The Second Law of Leftist Debate:
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter
to his preconceived world view, and the more difficult it becomes
for him to refute it without losing face, the chance of him using
vulgarity and profanity in an effort to "shout down" his tormentor
approaches infinity.

You're the one who "snips out" the truth, then throws out ad hominems
like a monkey throwing shit on all who pass.
Post by Ray Fischer
--
Ray Fischer | None are more hopelessly enslaved than
| those who falsely believe they are free.
Nothing is more terrible than to see ignorance in action.
--Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

What by a straight path cannot be reached by crooked ways is never
won.
--Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Which government is the best? The one that teaches us to govern
ourselves.
--Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe

"If Ignorance is Bliss, then Lying Left-Wing Liberal Socialist RayRay
Fischer

must be in Nirvana"

Auf Wiedersehen, Oberleutnant Fischer.
Nickname unavailable
2012-03-21 16:36:55 UTC
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On Mar 20, 10:46 pm, Lance Ringquist; a/k/a "Vide"
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On Mar 20, 7:51 pm,Lance Ringquist; a/k/a "Vide" and "Nickname
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Post by walt tonne
If this is the usual federal "big case" watch out for entrapment
issues.
 either that, or you could take a pill.
Lance Ringquist; a/k/a "Vide" and "Nickname unavailable"
"I Hate Conservatives!" messages to Usenet thread.
Tell us, Lance: Do you have fever with these fits?
You really need to seek professional psychiatric help for your "FNS"
(Fox Hews Derangement Syndrome), "RDS" (“Republican Derangement
Syndrome”) and "CDS" (“Conservative Derangement Syndrome”).
"You are one... sick... puppy!"
--Captain Felix
more implied threats. its all conservatives have.
Paranoid Schizophrenia; it's apparent in all Liberal Socialists.
Care to make a feeble attempt at identifying your so-called
"implied threats," Lance?
No response from Lance.
Post by JohnJohnsn
Post by Nickname unavailable
OBTW, you have refuted nothing.
No need, Lance; your "source" is self-refuting.
 actually my sources are good...
...card-carrying Liberals; with their patented Liberal bias, publishing
Liberal-leaning "surveys" and "Liberals Good / Conservatives BAD"
media.
Like all fascists, DickDickhead is nothing but a nasty coward.
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter
to his preconceived world view, and the more difficult it becomes
for him to refute it without losing face, the chance of him using
vulgarity and profanity in an effort to "shout down" his tormentor
approaches infinity.
You're the one who "snips out" the truth, then throws out ad hominems
like a monkey throwing shit on all who pass.
Post by Ray Fischer
--
Ray Fischer           | None are more hopelessly enslaved than
                               | those who falsely believe they are free.
Nothing is more terrible than to see ignorance in action.
--Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
What by a straight path cannot be reached by crooked ways is never
won.
--Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
Which government is the best? The one that teaches us to govern
ourselves.
--Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe
"If Ignorance is Bliss, then Lying Left-Wing Liberal Socialist RayRay
Fischer
must be in Nirvana"
Auf Wiedersehen, Oberleutnant Fischer.
yet, you have no facts pertinent to the discussion. you do not even
understand the discussion.

JohnJohnsn
2012-03-21 00:04:31 UTC
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There is a direct correlation between the size of the latin
population and the local crime rate.
Usually inverse - cities on the border with Mexico have lower
crime rates.
Evidence?
Post by Ray Fischer
A fact which racist bigots don't like to acknowledge.
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter
to his preconceived world view, and the more difficult it becomes
for him to refute it without losing face, the chance of him calling
you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity.
Said leftist will display his own racism in his responses accusing
you of same and never get the irony of it.
http://tinyurl.com/Irony-Meter-Pegged
Care to back up that "fact" (thusfar, an unsupported assertion,
actually) with some _real_ "facts," Raymond?
its so easy to fool a conservative:after all, conservatism is a form
of mental illness:)
The Fifth Law of Leftist Debate:
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter
to his preconceived world view and, the more difficult it becomes
for him to refute it without losing face, the chance of him
denigrating
the intelligence of the poster or accusing you of having some sort
of mental illness approaches infinity.

Boomerang corollary:
Said leftist will display his own lack of intelligence or mental
defects in his responses accusing you of same and never
get the irony of it.

http://tinyurl.com/Irony-Meter-Pegged
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a 2007 selective exposure study found Republicans overwhelmingly
chose to read fake articles labeled with the Fox News logo:but chose
a story running under a CNN or NPR logo just 10 percent of the time
Your "source" for that "selective exposure study" is Chris Mooney:

Chris Mooney is a science and political journalist, blogger,
podcaster, and experienced trainer of scientists in the art of
communication. He is the author of four books, including the New York
Times bestselling `The Republican War on Science' and the forthcoming
`The Republican Brain: The Science of Why They Deny Science and
Reality' (April 2012). He blogs at "The Intersection," and is a host
of the Point of Inquiry podcast.
.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-mooney/

Now _there_ is a nice "unbiased" Liberal source: 34-year-old blogger/
podcaster Christopher Cole Mooney! <Guffaw> ;)
Lance Ringquist; a/k/a "Vide" and "Nickname unavailable"
<***@tcq.net> goes "Over The Hedge" and posts six consecutive "I
Hate Conservatives!" messages to Usenet.

Tell us, Lance: Do you have fever with those fits?

You really need to seek professional psychiatric help for your
"FNS" (Fox Hews Derangement Syndrome), "RDS" (“Republican Derangement
Syndrome”) and "CDS" (“Conservative Derangement Syndrome”).

"You are one... sick... puppy!"
--Captain Felix
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There is a direct correlation between the size of the latin
population and the local crime rate.
Usually inverse - cities on the border with Mexico have lower
crime rates.
Evidence?
Post by Ray Fischer
A fact which racist bigots don't like to acknowledge.
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter
to his preconceived world view, and the more difficult it becomes
for him to refute it without losing face, the chance of him calling
you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity.
Said leftist will display his own racism in his responses accusing
you of same and never get the irony of it.
http://tinyurl.com/Irony-Meter-Pegged
Care to back up that "fact" (thusfar, an unsupported assertion,
actually) with some _real_ "facts," Raymond?
its so easy to fool a conservative:after all, conservatism is a form
of mental illness:)
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter
to his preconceived world view and, the more difficult it becomes
for him to refute it without losing face, the chance of him
denigrating
the intelligence of the poster or accusing you of having some sort
of mental illness approaches infinity.
Said leftist will display his own lack of intelligence or mental
defects in his responses accusing you of same and never
get the irony of it.
http://tinyurl.com/Irony-Meter-Pegged
Post by Nickname unavailable
a 2007 selective exposure study found Republicans overwhelmingly
chose to read fake articles labeled with the Fox News logo:but chose
a story running under a CNN or NPR logo just 10 percent of the time
Chris Mooney is a science and political journalist, blogger,
podcaster, and experienced trainer of scientists in the art of
communication. He is the author of four books, including the New York
Times bestselling `The Republican War on Science' and the forthcoming
`The Republican Brain: The Science of Why They Deny Science and
Reality' (April 2012). He blogs at "The Intersection," and is a host
of the Point of Inquiry podcast.
.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-mooney/
Now _there_ is a nice "unbiased" Liberal source: 34-year-old blogger/
podcaster Christopher Cole Mooney! <Guffaw> ;)
Lance Ringquist; a/k/a "Vide" and "Nickname unavailable"
Hate Conservatives!" messages to Usenet.
Tell us, Lance: Do you have fever with those fits?
ah, the old attempt at silencing by the implied threat. yet, none of
what i have posted, can you refute.
Post by JohnJohnsn
You really need to seek professional psychiatric help for your
"FNS" (Fox Hews Derangement Syndrome), "RDS" (“Republican Derangement
Syndrome”) and "CDS" (“Conservative Derangement Syndrome”).
"You are one... sick... puppy!"
--Captain Felix
red state love affairs with porn:)People subscribe to a lot of porn
in the southern Bible Belt states:I really believe it is
suppression:Freud himself said that the more you suppress people the
more they are going to want to do something:It might be due to
conservatism; I think that definitely plays a role



http://www.alternet.org/sex/154539/The_Bible_Belt%27s_Love_Affair_With_%28Gay_and_Straight%29_Porn_/

AlterNet / By Alex Henderson

The Bible Belt's Love Affair With (Gay and Straight) Porn
The GOP presidential hopefuls keep vilifying porn. Odd that the very
people they're trying to pander to consume massive amounts of it.
March 13, 2012  |

 The adult entertainment industry has long been one of the favorite
whipping boys of social conservatives, who have argued that porn and
other forms of adult entertainment (including strip clubs, swing
clubs, phone sex and BDSM) are incompatible with the moral values of
the Heartland and the Bible Belt. Porn, social conservatives claim, is
for “godless liberals” in San Francisco, Greenwich Village and West
Hollywood, not right-of-center voters in Republican-dominated “red
states.” But the reality is that porn isn’t any less popular in so-
called “red states” than it is in so-called “blue states,” and
ironically, the places where the 2012 Republican presidential hopefuls
are the most likely to be railing against porn are also places where
an abundance of voters are likely to be consuming it.
GOP presidential hopefuls Mitt Romney, Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich
have not only been playing the abortion and gay marriage cards—they
have also assured the Christian Right organization Morality in Media
(MIM) that they would be tough on porn if elected president. Former
Massachusetts governor Romney, in a written statement, told MIM he
favors “strict enforcement of our nation’s obscenity laws”; serial
adulterer and former House of Representatives speaker Gingrich met
with MIM president Patrick Truemann in person and assured him that if
elected president, he would appoint an attorney general who would make
federal obscenity prosecutions a high priority.
Meanwhile, in Laurens County, South Carolina, the local Republican
Party is asking possible candidates to swear off all porn consumption.
In late February, the Laurens County GOP unanimously adopted a
resolution asking local Republicans who want to get on the primary
ballot to sign a 28-point pledge that includes opposition to abortion,
gay marriage and same-sex civil unions as well as vows to abstain from
premarital sex and not view any porn. The pledge states: “You cannot
now, from the moment you sign this pledge, look at pornography.”
Of all the GOP presidential hopefuls, Santorum has been the most
stridently anti-porn; the former Pennsylvania senator (who was voted
out of office in 2006) has an entire page on his Web site that is
devoted to his opposition to porn, and that attacks President Barack
Obama for not being sufficiently anti-porn. Santorum writes: “The
Obama Administration has turned a blind eye to those who wish to
preserve our culture from the scourge of pornography and has refused
to enforce obscenity laws. While the Obama Department of Justice seems
to favor pornographers over children and families, that will change
under a Santorum Administration.”
Actually, Obama has never said anything in favor of adult
entertainment. Very few Democratic politicians will openly embrace the
adult entertainment industry in any way. And the more one examines the
data, the more evident it becomes that Republican-dominated states
with a heavy concentration of far-right culture warriors are also
states where erotic entertainment is very much in demand. Adult
industry advocate Bill Margold, who was one of the top adult film
stars of the 1970s, has often described the United States as a place
where people hypocritically condemn adult entertainment with one hand
while pleasuring themselves to it with the other hand; recent data
bears that out.
In 2009, Benjamin G. Edelman of the Harvard Business School published
the results of a state-by-state study on the number of people who were
subscribing to adult membership Web sites; Edelman found that eight of
the 10 states that had the highest per capita consumption of online
porn were states that Republican John McCain won in 2008’s
presidential election. Utah topped the list, and other red states in
Edelman’s top 10 included Oklahoma, Mississippi, Arkansas, Louisiana,
Alaska, North Dakota and West Virginia. The only states in Edelman’s
top 10 that Obama won in 2008 were Florida and Hawaii.



More recently, in December 2011, Rutgers University researcher/blogger
Omar Haq published the results of his study on Google searches for gay
porn. Haq found that between 2004-2011, the top 10 states that had the
most Google searches for gay porn included five states that McCain won
in 2008 (Texas, Mississippi, Kentucky, Louisiana, West Virginia) and
five states that Obama won (New York, Ohio, New Mexico, Nevada and
Florida). “People subscribe to a lot of porn in the southern Bible
Belt states,” Haq noted. “I really believe it is suppression. Freud
himself said that the more you suppress people, the more they are
going to want to do something. It might be due to conservatism; I
think that definitely plays a role."
Even when the data on porn consumption doesn’t show a significantly
greater per capita demand for it in Republican-leaning states than in
Democrat-leaning states, the data at least shows “red states” and
“blue states” to be about equal in their consumption. Quentin Boyer,
public relations director for Pink Visual (a major adult entertainment
company), doesn’t find that per capita consumption of Pink Visual’s
material is significantly higher in red states than it is in blue
states, but he doesn’t find it to be significantly lower either. Boyer
said that per capita, Pink Visual’s two biggest markets are California
followed by Texas.
Boyer explained: “Texas is the second largest state by population, and
in terms of our overall traffic, that's where it ranks as well: #2,
right behind California. Interestingly, if you adjust the query to
cover only mobile traffic, Texas surpasses California very slightly—
they actually swap back and forth in the #1 spot, depending on the
time frame selected—and moves into the #1 spot.”
Colin Rowntree, founder/president of the BDSM-oriented adult
membership Web site Wasteland.com, said that red states have some of
his most loyal and enthusiastic customers. “Retention of porn
membership in Wasteland is significantly longer for red states and the
amount of content viewed, and the length of sessions in the member
area is also significantly longer for red state members.”
Texas, Rowntree added, has “double retention from any other state.”
Other states at the top of Wasteland’s list when it comes to loyal
subscribers, he said, include Georgia, Ohio and Illinois. The state
with the lowest membership retention for Wasteland, according to
Rowntree, is Democrat-leaning Vermont.
Diane C. Duke, executive director of the Free Speech Coalition, a Los
Angeles-based trade organization for the adult entertainment industry,
said that it is problematic to automatically equate conservatism with
an opposition to porn and liberalism with being tolerant of it. Duke,
who pointed out that some of porn’s most vocal critics have come from
the left (including Catharine MacKinnon and the late Andrea Dworkin),
asserted: “I would argue that Ron Paul would not be bad for the porn
industry."
Duke added that being religious isn’t necessarily synonymous with
hardcore social conservatism; she has often described herself as a
church-going Lutheran, but she doesn’t consider herself a Christian
fundamentalist. And it is Christian fundamentalists rather than more
moderate Christians, Duke said, who are so obsessed with attacking
porn. “I think that with this country being in the state that it is in
right now, fear-mongering around the adult entertainment industry is
absolutely ridiculous,” Duke emphasized. “Even if I were a
fundamentalist, I would argue that adult entertainment is minute
compared to other things.”


Whether they’re liberal/progressives or right-of-center libertarians,
one thing that supporters of the adult industry—whatever their
political differences—generally agree on is that of all the GOP
presidential candidates, Santorum is the most vehemently anti-porn.
Santorum has been quite critical of various U.S. Supreme Court
decisions that he believes have proved helpful to the adult industry,
including 1969’s Stanley v. Georgia (which said that mere possession
of sexually explicit adult material is not a crime, even if it is
obscene) and 2003’s Lawrence v. Texas (which struck down a Texas
sodomy law). Stanley v. Georgia and Lawrence v. Texas were both right-
to-privacy decisions, and Santorum has said that there is no right to
privacy in the U.S. Constitution. In his book It Takes a
Family, Santorum wrote: “Privacy. Neutrality. Free Expression. None of
these terms is in the Constitution.”
Santorum, clearly, would like to see a lot more federal obscenity
prosecutions—and in obscenity cases, the standard that jurors use to
determine obscenity is the Miller test, which was outlined in the
Supreme Court’s Miller v. California decision of 1973. According to
the Miller test, sexually explicit material is legal as long as it
isn’t obscene. In order for something to be obscene, it must: 1)
appeal to a prurient interest when contemporary community standards
are applied; 2) be patently offensive; and 3) lack serious literary,
artistic, political or scientific value when taken as a whole (the so-
called “SLAPS test”). In American obscenity cases, prosecutors
typically hope the juries will be in the most socially conservative
parts of the country. But if the data shows that a great deal of
erotica is being consumed in those places, it becomes harder to make
the case that the material in question is out of step with
“contemporary community standards.”
Nonetheless, many Republican politicians will continue to make the
false claim that porn is strictly for “blue state liberals.” And the
more they push a socially conservative agenda, the more “red state”
voters will consume porn—even if they are in the closet about it.
Chauntelle Tibbals, a sociologist who has spent 10 years studying the
adult entertainment industry and publishes the industry-oriented blog
PVVonline.com (the PVV stands for “Porn Valley Vantage”), asserted:
“If you teach people about sex and if people have access to
information about sex, they’re more likely to regard it in a measured
way and make informed decisions. In a place where the lockdown on porn
is so tight, it’s not surprising to me that the interest in it and the
searching for it is so high. In a place where you have more access to
information about sex, there isn’t this frantic panic to see what’s
going on and delve in. The stricter the regulations, the higher the
interest.”
JohnJohnsn
2012-03-21 03:41:30 UTC
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There is a direct correlation between the size of the latin
population and the local crime rate.
Usually inverse - cities on the border with Mexico have lower
crime rates.
Evidence?
Post by Ray Fischer
A fact which racist bigots don't like to acknowledge.
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter
to his preconceived world view, and the more difficult it becomes
for him to refute it without losing face, the chance of him calling
you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity.
Said leftist will display his own racism in his responses accusing
you of same and never get the irony of it.
http://tinyurl.com/Irony-Meter-Pegged
Care to back up that "fact" (thusfar, an unsupported assertion,
actually) with some _real_ "facts," Raymond?
its so easy to fool a conservative:after all, conservatism is a form
of mental illness:)
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter
to his preconceived world view and, the more difficult it becomes
for him to refute it without losing face, the chance of him denigrating
the intelligence of the poster or accusing you of having some sort
of mental illness approaches infinity.
Said leftist will display his own lack of intelligence or mental
defects in his responses accusing you of same and never
get the irony of it.
http://tinyurl.com/Irony-Meter-Pegged
Post by Nickname unavailable
a 2007 selective exposure study found Republicans overwhelmingly
chose to read fake articles labeled with the Fox News logo:but chose
a story running under a CNN or NPR logo just 10 percent of the time
Chris Mooney is a science and political journalist, blogger,
podcaster, and experienced trainer of scientists in the art of
communication. He is the author of four books, including the New York
Times bestselling `The Republican War on Science' and the forthcoming
`The Republican Brain: The Science of Why They Deny Science and
Reality' (April 2012). He blogs at "The Intersection," and is a host
of the Point of Inquiry podcast.
.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-mooney/
Now _there_ is a nice "unbiased" Liberal source: 34-year-old blogger/
podcaster Christopher Cole Mooney! <Guffaw> ;)
Lance Ringquist; a/k/a "Vide" and "Nickname unavailable"
Hate Conservatives!" messages to Usenet.
Tell us, Lance: Do you have fever with those fits?
ah, the old attempt at silencing by the implied threat. yet, none of
what i have posted, can you refute.
No "silencing," Lance; the more you Looney Liberals post the more you
"shoot yourselves in the foot" (there: relevance to T.P.G <g>).

And you _still_ haven't identifed your so-called "implied threats."

Guess you need to add Paranoid Schizophrenia to your list of mental
issues you need professional help with.
Post by Nickname unavailable
Post by JohnJohnsn
You really need to seek professional psychiatric help for your
"FNS" (Fox Hews Derangement Syndrome), "RDS" (“Republican Derangement
Syndrome”) and "CDS" (“Conservative Derangement Syndrome”).
"You are one... sick... puppy!"
--Captain Felix
red state love affairs with porn:)
Blue state (California): _the_source_ of porn:

San Fernando Valley - Adult entertainment

The Valley became the pioneering region for producing adult films in
the 1970s and since then has been home to a multi-billion dollar
pornography industry, earning the monikers "Porn Valley" and "San
Pornando Valley". The leading trade paper for the industry, AVN
Magazine, is based in the Northwest Valley, as are a majority of the
nation's adult video and magazine distributors. According to the HBO
series Pornucopia, nearly 90% of all legally distributed pornographic
films made in the United States are either filmed in or produced by
studios based in the San Fernando Valley.
...
Pornucopia was a special documentary series by HBO spun off from Real
Sex that focuses on the Californian porn industry.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Fernando_Valley

Amount of taxes the porn industry generates every year for the state
of California.

In California alone the porn industry pays over $36 million in taxes
every year."

Related Stats / Figures

Every second - $3,075.64 is being spent on pornography

2006 Worldwide Pornography Revenues by Country:
China ($27.40 billion),
South Korea ($25.73 billion),
Japan ($19.98 billion),
United States - US ($13.3 billion),
Australia ($2.00 billion),
UK ($1.97 billion),
Italy ($1.4 billion),
Canada ($1.00 billion),
Philippines ($1.00 billion),
Taiwan ($1.00 billion),
Germany ($0.64 billion),
Finland ($0.60 billion),
Czech Republic ($0.46 billion),
Russia ($0.25 billion),
Netherlands ($0.20 billion),
Brazil ($0.10 billion)

2006 Worldwide Pornography Revenues per Capita:
China ($27.41),
South Korea ($526.76),
Japan ($156.75),
United States - US ($44.67),
Australia ($98.70),
UK ($31.84),
Italy ($24.08),
Canada ($30.21),
Philippines ($11.18),
Taiwan ($43.41),
Germany ($7.77),
Finland ($114.70),
Czech Republic ($44.94),
Russia ($1.76),
Netherlands ($12.13),
Brazil (53.17)

2006 Worldwide Pornography Revenues: $97.06 billion

2005 US Pornography Revenue by Type:
Video Sales & Rentals ($4.28 billion),
Internet ($2.5 billion),
Cable / PPV / In-Room / Mobile / Phone Sex ($1.34 billion),
Exotic Dance Clubs ($2.00 billion), Novelties ($1.5 billion),
Magazines ($1.00 billion)

2005 United States - US Pornography Revenues: $12.62 billion

2006 US Pornography Revenue by Type:
Video Sales & Rentals ($3.62 billion),
Internet ($2.84 billion), Cable / PPV / In-Room / Mobile / Phone Sex
($2.19 billion),
Exotic Dance Clubs ($2.00 billion),
Novelties ($1.73 billion),
Magazines ($0.95 billion)

2006 United States - US Pornography Revenues: $13.33 billion

DirectTV generates approximately $500 million off of adult
entertainment, says Dennis McAlpine, a partner in McAlpine Associates,
who has tracked the entertainment industry for over two decades.

At 13.3 billion, the 2006 revenues of the sex and porn industry in the
U.S. are bigger than the NFL, NBA and Major League Baseball combined.
Worldwide sex industry sales for 2006 are reported to be 97 billion.

Worldwide sex industry sales for 2006 are reported to be $97 billion.

http://grabstats.com/statmain.asp?StatID=634

Gee, Lance; seems as though the U.S. in general doesn't "top the
charts" on porn. We're behind China, South Korea, and Japan (overall):
you wanna discuss the "per capita" stats?
Nickname unavailable
2012-03-21 03:51:16 UTC
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On Mar 20, 7:50 pm, Lance Ringquist; a/k/a "Vide" and "Nickname
Post by Nickname unavailable
Post by JohnJohnsn
Post by Nickname unavailable
Post by JohnJohnsn
Post by Ray Fischer
Post by walt tonne
There is a direct correlation between the size of the latin
population and the local crime rate.
Usually inverse - cities on the border with Mexico have lower
crime rates.
Evidence?
Post by Ray Fischer
A fact which racist bigots don't like to acknowledge.
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter
to his preconceived world view, and the more difficult it becomes
for him to refute it without losing face, the chance of him calling
you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity.
Said leftist will display his own racism in his responses accusing
you of same and never get the irony of it.
http://tinyurl.com/Irony-Meter-Pegged
Care to back up that "fact" (thusfar, an unsupported assertion,
actually) with some _real_ "facts," Raymond?
its so easy to fool a conservative:after all, conservatism is a form
of mental illness:)
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter
to his preconceived world view and, the more difficult it becomes
for him to refute it without losing face, the chance of him denigrating
the intelligence of the poster or accusing you of having some sort
of mental illness approaches infinity.
Said leftist will display his own lack of intelligence or mental
defects in his responses accusing you of same and never
get the irony of it.
http://tinyurl.com/Irony-Meter-Pegged
Post by Nickname unavailable
a 2007 selective exposure study found Republicans overwhelmingly
chose to read fake articles labeled with the Fox News logo:but chose
a story running under a CNN or NPR logo just 10 percent of the time
Chris Mooney is a science and political journalist, blogger,
podcaster, and experienced trainer of scientists in the art of
communication. He is the author of four books, including the New York
Times bestselling `The Republican War on Science' and the forthcoming
`The Republican Brain: The Science of Why They Deny Science and
Reality' (April 2012). He blogs at "The Intersection," and is a host
of the Point of Inquiry podcast.
.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-mooney/
Now _there_ is a nice "unbiased" Liberal source: 34-year-old blogger/
podcaster Christopher Cole Mooney! <Guffaw> ;)
Lance Ringquist; a/k/a "Vide" and "Nickname unavailable"
Hate Conservatives!" messages to Usenet.
Tell us, Lance: Do you have fever with those fits?
ah, the old attempt at silencing by the implied threat. yet, none of
what i have posted, can you refute.
No "silencing," Lance; the more you Looney Liberals post the more you
"shoot yourselves in the foot" (there: relevance to T.P.G <g>).
And you _still_ haven't identifed your so-called "implied threats."
Guess you need to add Paranoid Schizophrenia to your list of mental
issues you need professional help with.
Post by Nickname unavailable
Post by JohnJohnsn
You really need to seek professional psychiatric help for your
"FNS" (Fox Hews Derangement Syndrome), "RDS" (“Republican Derangement
Syndrome”) and "CDS" (“Conservative Derangement Syndrome”).
"You are one... sick... puppy!"
--Captain Felix
red state love affairs with porn:)
San Fernando Valley - Adult entertainment
The Valley became the pioneering region for producing adult films in
the 1970s and since then has been home to a multi-billion dollar
pornography industry, earning the monikers "Porn Valley" and "San
Pornando Valley". The leading trade paper for the industry, AVN
Magazine, is based in the Northwest Valley, as are a majority of the
nation's adult video and magazine distributors. According to the HBO
series Pornucopia, nearly 90% of all legally distributed pornographic
films made in the United States are either filmed in or produced by
studios based in the San Fernando Valley.
...
Pornucopia was a special documentary series by HBO spun off from Real
Sex that focuses on the Californian porn industry.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Fernando_Valley
Amount of taxes the porn industry generates every year for the state
of California.
In California alone the porn industry pays over $36 million in taxes
every year."
Related Stats / Figures
Every second - $3,075.64 is being spent on pornography
China ($27.40 billion),
South Korea ($25.73 billion),
Japan ($19.98 billion),
United States - US ($13.3 billion),
Australia ($2.00 billion),
UK ($1.97 billion),
Italy ($1.4 billion),
Canada ($1.00 billion),
Philippines ($1.00 billion),
Taiwan ($1.00 billion),
Germany ($0.64 billion),
Finland ($0.60 billion),
Czech Republic ($0.46 billion),
Russia ($0.25 billion),
Netherlands ($0.20 billion),
Brazil ($0.10 billion)
China ($27.41),
South Korea ($526.76),
Japan ($156.75),
United States - US ($44.67),
Australia ($98.70),
UK ($31.84),
Italy ($24.08),
Canada ($30.21),
Philippines ($11.18),
Taiwan ($43.41),
Germany ($7.77),
Finland ($114.70),
Czech Republic ($44.94),
Russia ($1.76),
Netherlands ($12.13),
Brazil (53.17)
2006 Worldwide Pornography Revenues: $97.06 billion
Video Sales & Rentals ($4.28 billion),
Internet ($2.5 billion),
Cable / PPV / In-Room / Mobile / Phone Sex ($1.34 billion),
Exotic Dance Clubs ($2.00 billion), Novelties ($1.5 billion),
Magazines ($1.00 billion)
2005 United States - US Pornography Revenues: $12.62 billion
Video Sales & Rentals ($3.62 billion),
Internet ($2.84 billion), Cable / PPV / In-Room / Mobile / Phone Sex
($2.19 billion),
Exotic Dance Clubs ($2.00 billion),
Novelties ($1.73 billion),
Magazines ($0.95 billion)
2006 United States - US Pornography Revenues: $13.33 billion
DirectTV generates approximately $500 million off of adult
entertainment, says Dennis McAlpine, a partner in McAlpine Associates,
who has tracked the entertainment industry for over two decades.
At 13.3 billion, the 2006 revenues of the sex and porn industry in the
U.S. are bigger than the NFL, NBA and Major League Baseball combined.
Worldwide sex industry sales for 2006 are reported to be 97 billion.
Worldwide sex industry sales for 2006 are reported to be $97 billion.
http://grabstats.com/statmain.asp?StatID=634
Gee, Lance; seems as though the U.S. in general doesn't "top the
you wanna discuss the "per capita" stats?
yet, red states suck the stuff up. gee, the porn industry has made a
lot of money for california off sexually repressed red state
hillbillies, its just smart business:) i wonder how many porn stars
come from sexually repressed red states and red districts. i bet its a
fair amount:)
JohnJohnsn
2012-03-21 04:30:31 UTC
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Post by Nickname unavailable
Post by JohnJohnsn
On Mar 20, 7:50 pm, Lance Ringquist; a/k/a "Vide" and "Nickname
Post by Nickname unavailable
Post by JohnJohnsn
Post by Nickname unavailable
Post by JohnJohnsn
Post by Ray Fischer
Post by walt tonne
There is a direct correlation between the size of the latin
population and the local crime rate.
Usually inverse - cities on the border with Mexico have lower
crime rates.
Evidence?
Post by Ray Fischer
A fact which racist bigots don't like to acknowledge.
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter
to his preconceived world view, and the more difficult it becomes
for him to refute it without losing face, the chance of him calling
you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity.
Said leftist will display his own racism in his responses accusing
you of same and never get the irony of it.
http://tinyurl.com/Irony-Meter-Pegged
Care to back up that "fact" (thusfar, an unsupported assertion,
actually) with some _real_ "facts," Raymond?
its so easy to fool a conservative:after all, conservatism is a form
of mental illness:)
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter
to his preconceived world view and, the more difficult it becomes
for him to refute it without losing face, the chance of him denigrating
the intelligence of the poster or accusing you of having some sort
of mental illness approaches infinity.
Said leftist will display his own lack of intelligence or mental
defects in his responses accusing you of same and never
get the irony of it.
http://tinyurl.com/Irony-Meter-Pegged
Post by Nickname unavailable
a 2007 selective exposure study found Republicans overwhelmingly
chose to read fake articles labeled with the Fox News logo:but chose
a story running under a CNN or NPR logo just 10 percent of the time
Chris Mooney is a science and political journalist, blogger,
podcaster, and experienced trainer of scientists in the art of
communication. He is the author of four books, including the New York
Times bestselling `The Republican War on Science' and the forthcoming
`The Republican Brain: The Science of Why They Deny Science and
Reality' (April 2012). He blogs at "The Intersection," and is a host
of the Point of Inquiry podcast.
.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-mooney/
Now _there_ is a nice "unbiased" Liberal source: 34-year-old blogger/
podcaster Christopher Cole Mooney! <Guffaw> ;)
Lance Ringquist; a/k/a "Vide" and "Nickname unavailable"
Hate Conservatives!" messages to Usenet.
Tell us, Lance: Do you have fever with those fits?
ah, the old attempt at silencing by the implied threat. yet, none of
what i have posted, can you refute.
No "silencing," Lance; the more you Looney Liberals post the more you
"shoot yourselves in the foot" (there: relevance to T.P.G <g>).
And you _still_ haven't identifed your so-called "implied threats."
Still no response to the challenge to Lance to back up his claim with
evidence.

Typical Liberal: throw out a phony ad hominem, then run away from it.
Post by Nickname unavailable
Post by JohnJohnsn
Guess you need to add Paranoid Schizophrenia to your list of mental
issues you need professional help with.
Post by Nickname unavailable
Post by JohnJohnsn
You really need to seek professional psychiatric help for your
"FNS" (Fox Hews Derangement Syndrome), "RDS" (“Republican
Derangement Syndrome”) and "CDS" (“Conservative Derangement
Syndrome”).
"You are one... sick... puppy!"
--Captain Felix
red state love affairs with porn:)
San Fernando Valley - Adult entertainment
The Valley became the pioneering region for producing adult films
in the 1970s and since then has been home to a multi-billion dollar
pornography industry, earning the monikers "Porn Valley" and "San
Pornando Valley". The leading trade paper for the industry, AVN
Magazine, is based in the Northwest Valley, as are a majority of the
nation's adult video and magazine distributors. According to the HBO
series Pornucopia, nearly 90% of all legally distributed pornographic
films made in the United States are either filmed in or produced by
studios based in the San Fernando Valley.
...
Pornucopia was a special documentary series by HBO spun off from
Real Sex that focuses on the Californian porn industry.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Fernando_Valley
Amount of taxes the porn industry generates every year for the state
of California.
In California alone the porn industry pays over $36 million in taxes
every year."
Related Stats / Figures
Every second - $3,075.64 is being spent on pornography
China ($27.40 billion),
South Korea ($25.73 billion),
Japan ($19.98 billion),
United States - US ($13.3 billion),
Australia ($2.00 billion),
UK ($1.97 billion),
Italy ($1.4 billion),
Canada ($1.00 billion),
Philippines ($1.00 billion),
Taiwan ($1.00 billion),
Germany ($0.64 billion),
Finland ($0.60 billion),
Czech Republic ($0.46 billion),
Russia ($0.25 billion),
Netherlands ($0.20 billion),
Brazil ($0.10 billion)
China ($27.41),
South Korea ($526.76),
Japan ($156.75),
United States - US ($44.67),
Australia ($98.70),
UK ($31.84),
Italy ($24.08),
Canada ($30.21),
Philippines ($11.18),
Taiwan ($43.41),
Germany ($7.77),
Finland ($114.70),
Czech Republic ($44.94),
Russia ($1.76),
Netherlands ($12.13),
Brazil (53.17)
2006 Worldwide Pornography Revenues: $97.06 billion
Video Sales & Rentals ($4.28 billion),
Internet ($2.5 billion),
Cable / PPV / In-Room / Mobile / Phone Sex ($1.34 billion),
Exotic Dance Clubs ($2.00 billion), Novelties ($1.5 billion),
Magazines ($1.00 billion)
2005 United States - US Pornography Revenues: $12.62 billion
Video Sales & Rentals ($3.62 billion),
Internet ($2.84 billion), Cable / PPV / In-Room / Mobile / Phone Sex
($2.19 billion),
Exotic Dance Clubs ($2.00 billion),
Novelties ($1.73 billion),
Magazines ($0.95 billion)
2006 United States - US Pornography Revenues: $13.33 billion
DirectTV generates approximately $500 million off of adult
entertainment, says Dennis McAlpine, a partner in McAlpine Associates,
who has tracked the entertainment industry for over two decades.
At 13.3 billion, the 2006 revenues of the sex and porn industry in the
U.S. are bigger than the NFL, NBA and Major League Baseball combined.
Worldwide sex industry sales for 2006 are reported to be 97 billion.
Worldwide sex industry sales for 2006 are reported to be $97 billion.
http://grabstats.com/statmain.asp?StatID=634
Gee, Lance; seems as though the U.S. in general doesn't "top the
you wanna discuss the "per capita" stats?
Guess not. <g> ;)
Post by Nickname unavailable
yet, red states suck the stuff up. gee, the porn industry has made
a lot of money for california off sexually repressed red state hillbillies,
Guess you didn't read your own "source," Lance:

The Bible Belt's Love Affair With (Gay and Straight) Porn
By Alex Henderson, AlterNet
March 13, 2012
...
"But the reality is that porn isn’t any less popular in so-called “red
states” than it is in so-called `blue states'..."

http://www.alternet.org/sex/154539/

Oh, BTW; No "bias" from your source:

"...serial adulterer and former House of Representatives speaker
Gingrich..."
--Ibid.

Also; just _who_ is this Liberal blogger Alex Henderson you give so
much credit to?
Post by Nickname unavailable
its just smart business:) i wonder how many porn stars
come from sexually repressed red states and red districts.
i bet its a fair amount:)
Easy enough to find out, Lance.

Go research it <http://www.imdb.com/search> and report back here:
Nickname unavailable
2012-03-21 04:38:59 UTC
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On Mar 20, 10:51 pm, Lance Ringquist; a/k/a "Vide" and "Nickname
Post by JohnJohnsn
On Mar 20, 7:50 pm, Lance Ringquist; a/k/a "Vide" and "Nickname
Post by Nickname unavailable
Post by JohnJohnsn
Post by Nickname unavailable
Post by JohnJohnsn
Post by Ray Fischer
Post by walt tonne
There is a direct correlation between the size of the latin
population and the local crime rate.
Usually inverse - cities on the border with Mexico have lower
crime rates.
Evidence?
Post by Ray Fischer
A fact which racist bigots don't like to acknowledge.
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter
to his preconceived world view, and the more difficult it becomes
for him to refute it without losing face, the chance of him calling
you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity.
Said leftist will display his own racism in his responses accusing
you of same and never get the irony of it.
http://tinyurl.com/Irony-Meter-Pegged
Care to back up that "fact" (thusfar, an unsupported assertion,
actually) with some _real_ "facts," Raymond?
its so easy to fool a conservative:after all, conservatism is a form
of mental illness:)
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter
to his preconceived world view and, the more difficult it becomes
for him to refute it without losing face, the chance of him denigrating
the intelligence of the poster or accusing you of having some sort
of mental illness approaches infinity.
Said leftist will display his own lack of intelligence or mental
defects in his responses accusing you of same and never
get the irony of it.
http://tinyurl.com/Irony-Meter-Pegged
Post by Nickname unavailable
a 2007 selective exposure study found Republicans overwhelmingly
chose to read fake articles labeled with the Fox News logo:but chose
a story running under a CNN or NPR logo just 10 percent of the time
Chris Mooney is a science and political journalist, blogger,
podcaster, and experienced trainer of scientists in the art of
communication. He is the author of four books, including the New York
Times bestselling `The Republican War on Science' and the forthcoming
`The Republican Brain: The Science of Why They Deny Science and
Reality' (April 2012). He blogs at "The Intersection," and is a host
of the Point of Inquiry podcast.
.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-mooney/
Now _there_ is a nice "unbiased" Liberal source: 34-year-old blogger/
podcaster Christopher Cole Mooney! <Guffaw> ;)
Lance Ringquist; a/k/a "Vide" and "Nickname unavailable"
Hate Conservatives!" messages to Usenet.
Tell us, Lance: Do you have fever with those fits?
ah, the old attempt at silencing by the implied threat. yet, none of
what i have posted, can you refute.
No "silencing," Lance; the more you Looney Liberals post the more you
"shoot yourselves in the foot" (there: relevance to T.P.G <g>).
And you _still_ haven't identifed your so-called "implied threats."
Still no response to the challenge to Lance to back up his claim with
evidence.
Typical Liberal: throw out a phony ad hominem, then run away from it.
Post by JohnJohnsn
Guess you need to add Paranoid Schizophrenia to your list of mental
issues you need professional help with.
Post by Nickname unavailable
Post by JohnJohnsn
You really need to seek professional psychiatric help for your
"FNS" (Fox Hews Derangement Syndrome), "RDS" (“Republican
Derangement Syndrome”) and "CDS" (“Conservative Derangement
Syndrome”).
"You are one... sick... puppy!"
--Captain Felix
red state love affairs with porn:)
San Fernando Valley - Adult entertainment
The Valley became the pioneering region for producing adult films
in the 1970s and since then has been home to a multi-billion dollar
pornography industry, earning the monikers "Porn Valley" and "San
Pornando Valley". The leading trade paper for the industry, AVN
Magazine, is based in the Northwest Valley, as are a majority of the
nation's adult video and magazine distributors. According to the HBO
series Pornucopia, nearly 90% of all legally distributed pornographic
films made in the United States are either filmed in or produced by
studios based in the San Fernando Valley.
...
Pornucopia was a special documentary series by HBO spun off from
Real Sex that focuses on the Californian porn industry.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Fernando_Valley
Amount of taxes the porn industry generates every year for the state
of California.
In California alone the porn industry pays over $36 million in taxes
every year."
Related Stats / Figures
Every second - $3,075.64 is being spent on pornography
China ($27.40 billion),
South Korea ($25.73 billion),
Japan ($19.98 billion),
United States - US ($13.3 billion),
Australia ($2.00 billion),
UK ($1.97 billion),
Italy ($1.4 billion),
Canada ($1.00 billion),
Philippines ($1.00 billion),
Taiwan ($1.00 billion),
Germany ($0.64 billion),
Finland ($0.60 billion),
Czech Republic ($0.46 billion),
Russia ($0.25 billion),
Netherlands ($0.20 billion),
Brazil ($0.10 billion)
China ($27.41),
South Korea ($526.76),
Japan ($156.75),
United States - US ($44.67),
Australia ($98.70),
UK ($31.84),
Italy ($24.08),
Canada ($30.21),
Philippines ($11.18),
Taiwan ($43.41),
Germany ($7.77),
Finland ($114.70),
Czech Republic ($44.94),
Russia ($1.76),
Netherlands ($12.13),
Brazil (53.17)
2006 Worldwide Pornography Revenues: $97.06 billion
Video Sales & Rentals ($4.28 billion),
Internet ($2.5 billion),
Cable / PPV / In-Room / Mobile / Phone Sex ($1.34 billion),
Exotic Dance Clubs ($2.00 billion), Novelties ($1.5 billion),
Magazines ($1.00 billion)
2005 United States - US Pornography Revenues: $12.62 billion
Video Sales & Rentals ($3.62 billion),
Internet ($2.84 billion), Cable / PPV / In-Room / Mobile / Phone Sex
($2.19 billion),
Exotic Dance Clubs ($2.00 billion),
Novelties ($1.73 billion),
Magazines ($0.95 billion)
2006 United States - US Pornography Revenues: $13.33 billion
DirectTV generates approximately $500 million off of adult
entertainment, says Dennis McAlpine, a partner in McAlpine Associates,
who has tracked the entertainment industry for over two decades.
At 13.3 billion, the 2006 revenues of the sex and porn industry in the
U.S. are bigger than the NFL, NBA and Major League Baseball combined.
Worldwide sex industry sales for 2006 are reported to be 97 billion.
Worldwide sex industry sales for 2006 are reported to be $97 billion.
http://grabstats.com/statmain.asp?StatID=634
Gee, Lance; seems as though the U.S. in general doesn't "top the
you wanna discuss the "per capita" stats?
Guess not. <g> ;)
 yet, red states suck the stuff up. gee, the porn industry has made
a lot of money for california off sexually repressed red state hillbillies,
The Bible Belt's Love Affair With (Gay and Straight) Porn
By Alex Henderson, AlterNet
March 13, 2012
...
"But the reality is that porn isn’t any less popular in so-called “red
states” than it is in so-called `blue states'..."
http://www.alternet.org/sex/154539/
"...serial adulterer and former House of Representatives speaker
Gingrich..."
--Ibid.
Also; just _who_ is this Liberal blogger Alex Henderson you give so
much credit to?
its just smart business:) i wonder how many porn stars
come from sexually repressed red states and red districts.
i bet its a fair amount:)
Easy enough to find out, Lance.
i have already proven it. you want me to respond that california
produces a lot of porn, sure they do, and the red stgates lap it
up:))))


Porn in the USA:Conservatives Are Biggest Consumers:\Those states that
do consume the most porn tend to be more conservative and religious
than states with lower levels of consumption:Some of the people who
are most outraged turn out to be consumers of the very things they
claimed to be outraged by




http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Business/story?id=6977202&page=1

Porn in the USA: Conservatives Are Biggest Consumers






By EWEN CALLAWAY
Feb. 28, 2009



Americans may paint themselves in increasingly bright shades of red
and blue, but new research finds one thing that varies little across
the nation: the liking for online pornography.
A new nationwide study (pdf) of anonymised credit-card receipts from a
major online adult entertainment provider finds little variation in
consumption between states.
"When it comes to adult entertainment, it seems people are more the
same than different," says Benjamin Edelman at Harvard Business
School.
However, there are some trends to be seen in the data. Those states
that do consume the most porn tend to be more conservative and
religious than states with lower levels of consumption, the study
finds.
"Some of the people who are most outraged turn out to be consumers of
the very things they claimed to be outraged by," Edelman says.

Political Divide
Edelman spends part of his time helping companies such as Microsoft
and AOL detect advertising fraud. Another consulting client runs
dozens of adult websites, though he says he is not at liberty to
identify the firm.

ABC News Photo Illustration
A new study shows that the states that consume the most porn tend to
be more conservative and religious than states with lower levels of
consumption.

That company did, however, provide Edelman with roughly two years of
credit card data from 2006 to 2008 that included a purchase date and
each customer's postal code.
After controlling for differences in broadband internet access between
states – online porn tends to be a bandwidth hog – and adjusting for
population, he found a relatively small difference between states with
the most adult purchases and those with the fewest.
The biggest consumer, Utah, averaged 5.47 adult content subscriptions
per 1000 home broadband users; Montana bought the least with 1.92 per
1000. "The differences here are not so stark," Edelman says.
Number 10 on the list was West Virginia at 2.94 subscriptions per
1000, while number 41, Michigan, averaged 2.32.
Eight of the top 10 pornography consuming states gave their electoral
votes to John McCain in last year's presidential election – Florida
and Hawaii were the exceptions. While six out of the lowest 10
favoured Barack Obama.

Old-Fashioned Values
Church-goers bought less online porn on Sundays – a 1% increase in a
postal code's religious attendance was associated with a 0.1% drop in
subscriptions that day. However, expenditures on other days of the
week brought them in line with the rest of the country, Edelman finds.
Residents of 27 states that passed laws banning gay marriages boasted
11% more porn subscribers than states that don't explicitly restrict
gay marriage.
To get a better handle on other associations between social attitudes
and pornography consumption, Edelman melded his data with a previous
study on public attitudes toward religion.
States where a majority of residents agreed with the statement "I have
old-fashioned values about family and marriage," bought 3.6 more
subscriptions per thousand people than states where a majority
disagreed. A similar difference emerged for the statement "AIDS might
be God's punishment for immoral sexual behaviour."
"One natural hypothesis is something like repression: if you're told
you can't have this, then you want it more," Edelman says.
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There is a direct correlation between the size of the latin
population and the local crime rate.
Usually inverse - cities on the border with Mexico have lower
crime rates.
Evidence?
Post by Ray Fischer
A fact which racist bigots don't like to acknowledge.
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter
to his preconceived world view, and the more difficult it becomes
for him to refute it without losing face, the chance of him calling
you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity.
Said leftist will display his own racism in his responses accusing
you of same and never get the irony of it.
http://tinyurl.com/Irony-Meter-Pegged
Care to back up that "fact" (thusfar, an unsupported assertion,
actually) with some _real_ "facts," Raymond?
its so easy to fool a conservative:after all, conservatism is a form
of mental illness:)
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter
to his preconceived world view and, the more difficult it becomes
for him to refute it without losing face, the chance of him denigrating
the intelligence of the poster or accusing you of having some sort
of mental illness approaches infinity.
Said leftist will display his own lack of intelligence or mental
defects in his responses accusing you of same and never
get the irony of it.
http://tinyurl.com/Irony-Meter-Pegged
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a 2007 selective exposure study found Republicans overwhelmingly
chose to read fake articles labeled with the Fox News logo:but chose
a story running under a CNN or NPR logo just 10 percent of the time
Chris Mooney is a science and political journalist, blogger,
podcaster, and experienced trainer of scientists in the art of
communication. He is the author of four books, including the New York
Times bestselling `The Republican War on Science' and the forthcoming
`The Republican Brain: The Science of Why They Deny Science and
Reality' (April 2012). He blogs at "The Intersection," and is a host
of the Point of Inquiry podcast.
.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-mooney/
Now _there_ is a nice "unbiased" Liberal source: 34-year-old blogger/
podcaster Christopher Cole Mooney! <Guffaw> ;)
Lance Ringquist; a/k/a "Vide" and "Nickname unavailable"
"I Hate Conservatives!" messages to Usenet.
Tell us, Lance: Do you have fever with those fits?
ah, the old attempt at silencing by the implied threat. yet, none
of what i have posted, can you refute.
No "silencing," Lance; the more you Looney Liberals post the more
you "shoot yourselves in the foot" (there: relevance to T.P.G <g>).
And you _still_ haven't identifed your so-called "implied threats."
Still no response to the challenge to Lance to back up his claim with
evidence.
Typical Liberal: throw out a phony ad hominem, then run away from it.
Lance is _still_ running away from his "implied threats" bullshit.
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Guess you need to add Paranoid Schizophrenia to your list of mental
issues you need professional help with.
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You really need to seek professional psychiatric help for your
"FNS" (Fox Hews Derangement Syndrome), "RDS" (“Republican
Derangement Syndrome”) and "CDS" (“Conservative Derangement
Syndrome”).
"You are one... sick... puppy!"
--Captain Felix
red state love affairs with porn:)
San Fernando Valley - Adult entertainment
The Valley became the pioneering region for producing adult films
in the 1970s and since then has been home to a multi-billion dollar
pornography industry, earning the monikers "Porn Valley" and "San
Pornando Valley". The leading trade paper for the industry, AVN
Magazine, is based in the Northwest Valley, as are a majority of the
nation's adult video and magazine distributors. According to the HBO
series Pornucopia, nearly 90% of all legally distributed pornographic
films made in the United States are either filmed in or produced by
studios based in the San Fernando Valley.
...
Pornucopia was a special documentary series by HBO spun off from
Real Sex that focuses on the Californian porn industry.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Fernando_Valley
Amount of taxes the porn industry generates every year for the state
of California.
In California alone the porn industry pays over $36 million in taxes
every year."
Related Stats / Figures
Every second - $3,075.64 is being spent on pornography
China ($27.40 billion),
South Korea ($25.73 billion),
Japan ($19.98 billion),
United States - US ($13.3 billion),
Australia ($2.00 billion),
UK ($1.97 billion),
Italy ($1.4 billion),
Canada ($1.00 billion),
Philippines ($1.00 billion),
Taiwan ($1.00 billion),
Germany ($0.64 billion),
Finland ($0.60 billion),
Czech Republic ($0.46 billion),
Russia ($0.25 billion),
Netherlands ($0.20 billion),
Brazil ($0.10 billion)
China ($27.41),
South Korea ($526.76),
Japan ($156.75),
United States - US ($44.67),
Australia ($98.70),
UK ($31.84),
Italy ($24.08),
Canada ($30.21),
Philippines ($11.18),
Taiwan ($43.41),
Germany ($7.77),
Finland ($114.70),
Czech Republic ($44.94),
Russia ($1.76),
Netherlands ($12.13),
Brazil (53.17)
2006 Worldwide Pornography Revenues: $97.06 billion
Video Sales & Rentals ($4.28 billion),
Internet ($2.5 billion),
Cable / PPV / In-Room / Mobile / Phone Sex ($1.34 billion),
Exotic Dance Clubs ($2.00 billion), Novelties ($1.5 billion),
Magazines ($1.00 billion)
2005 United States - US Pornography Revenues: $12.62 billion
Video Sales & Rentals ($3.62 billion),
Internet ($2.84 billion), Cable / PPV / In-Room / Mobile / Phone Sex
($2.19 billion),
Exotic Dance Clubs ($2.00 billion),
Novelties ($1.73 billion),
Magazines ($0.95 billion)
2006 United States - US Pornography Revenues: $13.33 billion
DirectTV generates approximately $500 million off of adult
entertainment, says Dennis McAlpine, a partner in McAlpine Associates,
who has tracked the entertainment industry for over two decades.
At 13.3 billion, the 2006 revenues of the sex and porn industry in the
U.S. are bigger than the NFL, NBA and Major League Baseball combined.
Worldwide sex industry sales for 2006 are reported to be 97 billion.
Worldwide sex industry sales for 2006 are reported to be $97 billion.
http://grabstats.com/statmain.asp?StatID=634
Gee, Lance; seems as though the U.S. in general doesn't "top the
you wanna discuss the "per capita" stats?
Guess not. <g> ;)
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yet, red states suck the stuff up. gee, the porn industry has made
a lot of money for california off sexually repressed red state hillbillies,
The Bible Belt's Love Affair With (Gay and Straight) Porn
By Alex Henderson, AlterNet
March 13, 2012
...
"But the reality is that porn isn’t any less popular in so-called “red
states” than it is in so-called `blue states'..."
http://www.alternet.org/sex/154539/
"...serial adulterer and former House of Representatives speaker
Gingrich..."
--Ibid.
Also; just _who_ is this Liberal blogger Alex Henderson you give
so much credit to?
Guess you don't want to lay out your Liberal blogger hero's
credentials; eh, Lance?
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its just smart business:) i wonder how many porn stars
come from sexually repressed red states and red districts.
i bet its a fair amount:)
Easy enough to find out, Lance.
i have already proven it. you want me to respond that california
produces a lot of porn, sure they do, and the red stgates {SIC} lap
it up:))))
Still dodging the questions and challenges, we see, Lance.

Guess when you get "off script" from your NDC Propagandist Handbook
you have to dodge and throw out ad hominems>

Well, Lance; dodge this:

Top 25 Most Popular Pornstars of 2011

1.Lisa Ann [Born:Lisa Anne Corpora, May 9, 1972 in Easton,
Pennsylvania]

2.Nikki Benz [Born:Alla Montchak, December 11, 1981 in Ukrainian SSR,
USSR (now Ukraine)]

3.Shyla Stylez [Born:Amanda Hardy, September 23, 1982 in Armstrong,
British Columbia, Canada]

4.Aletta Ocean [Born:Dora Varga, December 14, 1987 in Hungary]

5.Phoenix Marie [Born:Melissa Marie Hutchison, September 21, 1981 in
Golden Valley, Arizona]

6.Sunny Leone [Born:Karenjit Kaur Vohra, May 13, 1981 in Toronto,
Ontario, Canada]

7.Audrey Bitoni [actual name, born on August 16, 1986 in Pasadena,
California]

8.Alexis Texas [Born:Thea Alexis Samper, January 28, 1986 in
Castroville, Texas]

9.Tori Black [Born:Shellie Chapman, August 26, 1988 in Seattle,
Washington]

10.Jayden Jaymes [Born:Michele Mayo, February 13, 1986 in Upland,
California]

11.Eva Angelina [Born:Nicole Clyne, March 14, 1985 in Huntington
Beach, California]

12.Sienna West [actual name, born in Los Angeles, California on
November 6, 1977]

13.Holly Halston [Born:Jasmin Carte, December 31, 1974 in Hollywood,
California]

14.Priya Rai [Born:Anjeli Sipe, December 25, 1977 in New Delhi,
India]

15.Julia Ann [Born:Julia Ann Tavella, October 8, 1969 in Los Angeles,
California

16.Rachel Roxxx [Born:Rachel Lyn Cooper, March 2, 1983 in San Antonio,
Texas]

17.Carmella Bing [Born:Sarah Jane Fabbriciano, October 21, 1981, in
Salem, Oregon]

18.Sophie Dee [actual name; born January 17, 1984 in Llanelli, Wales,
UK]

19.Jenna Presley [Born:Britni Ruiz, April 1, 1987 in San Diego,
California]

20.Sara Jay [actual name; born November 14, 1977 in Cincinnati, Ohio]

21.Asa Akira [Born:Asa Takigami, January 2, 1986 in New York City, New
York]

22.Kagney Linn Karter [Born:Kagney Necessary, March 28, 1987 in
Houston, Texas]

23.Dylan Ryder [actual name; born: February 23, 1981 in Fresno,
California]

24.Rachel Starr [Born:Brandy Hargrove, November 26, 1983 in Burleson,
Texas]

25.Samantha Saint [Born on June 8, 1987 in Memphis, Tennessee]

http://www.porn-star.com/top100.html

OK, Lance; where's all those "porn stars [who] come from sexually
repressed red states and red districts. i bet its a fair amount:)"?

I won the bet, Lance; but you're probably a Usenet Bet Welcher like
The Lone Weasel (1957-2012: RIP, Lee).

Face it, Lance, you are a "one trick (blue) pony" with a single groove
record.

Oh, BTW, Lance: "blue" represents pornography. Ever hear of "blue
movies"?

Nevertheless, I'm done with you.

QED and Sayonara.
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There is a direct correlation between the size of the latin
population and the local crime rate.
Usually inverse - cities on the border with Mexico have lower
crime rates.
Evidence?
Post by Ray Fischer
A fact which racist bigots don't like to acknowledge.
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter
to his preconceived world view, and the more difficult it becomes
for him to refute it without losing face, the chance of him calling
you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity.
Said leftist will display his own racism in his responses accusing
you of same and never get the irony of it.
http://tinyurl.com/Irony-Meter-Pegged
Care to back up that "fact" (thusfar, an unsupported assertion,
actually) with some _real_ "facts," Raymond?
its so easy to fool a conservative:after all, conservatism is a form
of mental illness:)
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter
to his preconceived world view and, the more difficult it becomes
for him to refute it without losing face, the chance of him denigrating
the intelligence of the poster or accusing you of having some sort
of mental illness approaches infinity.
Said leftist will display his own lack of intelligence or mental
defects in his responses accusing you of same and never
get the irony of it.
http://tinyurl.com/Irony-Meter-Pegged
Post by Nickname unavailable
a 2007 selective exposure study found Republicans overwhelmingly
chose to read fake articles labeled with the Fox News logo:but chose
a story running under a CNN or NPR logo just 10 percent of the time
Chris Mooney is a science and political journalist, blogger,
podcaster, and experienced trainer of scientists in the art of
communication. He is the author of four books, including the New York
Times bestselling `The Republican War on Science' and the forthcoming
`The Republican Brain: The Science of Why They Deny Science and
Reality' (April 2012). He blogs at "The Intersection," and is a host
of the Point of Inquiry podcast.
.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-mooney/
Now _there_ is a nice "unbiased" Liberal source: 34-year-old blogger/
podcaster Christopher Cole Mooney! <Guffaw> ;)
Lance Ringquist; a/k/a "Vide" and "Nickname unavailable"
"I Hate Conservatives!" messages to Usenet.
Tell us, Lance: Do you have fever with those fits?
ah, the old attempt at silencing by the implied threat. yet, none
of what i have posted, can you refute.
No "silencing," Lance; the more you Looney Liberals post the more
you "shoot yourselves in the foot" (there: relevance to T.P.G <g>).
And you _still_ haven't identifed your so-called "implied threats."
Still no response to the challenge to Lance to back up his claim with
evidence.
Typical Liberal: throw out a phony ad hominem, then run away from it.
Lance is _still_ running away from his "implied threats" bullshit.
yea, keep using the name lance. its a implied threat. still you have
nothing, and you cannot refute a thing.
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Guess you need to add Paranoid Schizophrenia to your list of mental
issues you need professional help with.
Post by Nickname unavailable
Post by JohnJohnsn
You really need to seek professional psychiatric help for your
"FNS" (Fox Hews Derangement Syndrome), "RDS" (“Republican
Derangement Syndrome”) and "CDS" (“Conservative Derangement
Syndrome”).
"You are one... sick... puppy!"
--Captain Felix
red state love affairs with porn:)
San Fernando Valley - Adult entertainment
The Valley became the pioneering region for producing adult films
in the 1970s and since then has been home to a multi-billion dollar
pornography industry, earning the monikers "Porn Valley" and "San
Pornando Valley". The leading trade paper for the industry, AVN
Magazine, is based in the Northwest Valley, as are a majority of the
nation's adult video and magazine distributors. According to the HBO
series Pornucopia, nearly 90% of all legally distributed pornographic
films made in the United States are either filmed in or produced by
studios based in the San Fernando Valley.
...
Pornucopia was a special documentary series by HBO spun off from
Real Sex that focuses on the Californian porn industry.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Fernando_Valley
Amount of taxes the porn industry generates every year for the state
of California.
In California alone the porn industry pays over $36 million in taxes
every year."
Related Stats / Figures
Every second - $3,075.64 is being spent on pornography
China ($27.40 billion),
South Korea ($25.73 billion),
Japan ($19.98 billion),
United States - US ($13.3 billion),
Australia ($2.00 billion),
UK ($1.97 billion),
Italy ($1.4 billion),
Canada ($1.00 billion),
Philippines ($1.00 billion),
Taiwan ($1.00 billion),
Germany ($0.64 billion),
Finland ($0.60 billion),
Czech Republic ($0.46 billion),
Russia ($0.25 billion),
Netherlands ($0.20 billion),
Brazil ($0.10 billion)
China ($27.41),
South Korea ($526.76),
Japan ($156.75),
United States - US ($44.67),
Australia ($98.70),
UK ($31.84),
Italy ($24.08),
Canada ($30.21),
Philippines ($11.18),
Taiwan ($43.41),
Germany ($7.77),
Finland ($114.70),
Czech Republic ($44.94),
Russia ($1.76),
Netherlands ($12.13),
Brazil (53.17)
2006 Worldwide Pornography Revenues: $97.06 billion
Video Sales & Rentals ($4.28 billion),
Internet ($2.5 billion),
Cable / PPV / In-Room / Mobile / Phone Sex ($1.34 billion),
Exotic Dance Clubs ($2.00 billion), Novelties ($1.5 billion),
Magazines ($1.00 billion)
2005 United States - US Pornography Revenues: $12.62 billion
Video Sales & Rentals ($3.62 billion),
Internet ($2.84 billion), Cable / PPV / In-Room / Mobile / Phone Sex
($2.19 billion),
Exotic Dance Clubs ($2.00 billion),
Novelties ($1.73 billion),
Magazines ($0.95 billion)
2006 United States - US Pornography Revenues: $13.33 billion
DirectTV generates approximately $500 million off of adult
entertainment, says Dennis McAlpine, a partner in McAlpine Associates,
who has tracked the entertainment industry for over two decades.
At 13.3 billion, the 2006 revenues of the sex and porn industry in the
U.S. are bigger than the NFL, NBA and Major League Baseball combined.
Worldwide sex industry sales for 2006 are reported to be 97 billion.
Worldwide sex industry sales for 2006 are reported to be $97 billion.
http://grabstats.com/statmain.asp?StatID=634
Gee, Lance; seems as though the U.S. in general doesn't "top the
you wanna discuss the "per capita" stats?
Guess not. <g> ;)
 yet, red states suck the stuff up. gee, the porn industry has made
a lot of money for california off sexually repressed red state hillbillies,
The Bible Belt's Love Affair With (Gay and Straight) Porn
By Alex Henderson, AlterNet
March 13, 2012
...
"But the reality is that porn isn’t any less popular in so-called “red
states” than it is in so-called `blue states'..."
http://www.alternet.org/sex/154539/
"...serial adulterer and former House of Representatives speaker
 Gingrich..."
 --Ibid.
Also; just _who_ is this Liberal blogger Alex Henderson you give
so much credit to?
Guess you don't want to lay out your Liberal blogger hero's
credentials; eh, Lance?
what has that got to do with the fact the eight out of the top ten
states that consume porn, are red states. you seem fixated on the porn
aspect of our many posts, yet you ignore all other posts, have i
struck a nerve:)))))))) a liberal blogger has little to do with the
red stats that lap up porn.
so far i have seen nothing out of you, except the typical
conservative attempt to distort, lie, threaten, distract, etc.
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its just smart business:) i wonder how many porn stars
come from sexually repressed red states and red districts.
i bet its a fair amount:)
Easy enough to find out, Lance.
i have already proven it. you want me to respond that california
produces a lot of porn, sure they do, and the red stgates {SIC} lap
it up:))))
Still dodging the questions and challenges, we see, Lance.
Guess when you get "off script" from your NDC Propagandist Handbook
you have to dodge and throw out ad hominems>
Top 25 Most Popular Pornstars of 2011
1.Lisa Ann [Born:Lisa Anne Corpora, May 9, 1972 in Easton,
Pennsylvania]
2.Nikki Benz [Born:Alla Montchak, December 11, 1981 in Ukrainian SSR,
USSR (now Ukraine)]
3.Shyla Stylez [Born:Amanda Hardy, September 23, 1982 in Armstrong,
British Columbia, Canada]
4.Aletta Ocean [Born:Dora Varga, December 14, 1987 in Hungary]
5.Phoenix Marie [Born:Melissa Marie Hutchison, September 21, 1981 in
Golden Valley, Arizona]
6.Sunny Leone [Born:Karenjit Kaur Vohra, May 13, 1981 in Toronto,
Ontario, Canada]
7.Audrey Bitoni [actual name, born on August 16, 1986 in Pasadena,
California]
8.Alexis Texas [Born:Thea Alexis Samper, January 28, 1986 in
Castroville, Texas]
9.Tori Black [Born:Shellie Chapman, August 26, 1988 in Seattle,
Washington]
10.Jayden Jaymes [Born:Michele Mayo, February 13, 1986 in Upland,
California]
11.Eva Angelina [Born:Nicole Clyne, March 14, 1985 in Huntington
Beach, California]
12.Sienna West [actual name, born in Los Angeles, California on
November 6, 1977]
13.Holly Halston [Born:Jasmin Carte, December 31, 1974 in Hollywood,
California]
14.Priya Rai [Born:Anjeli Sipe, December 25, 1977 in New Delhi,
India]
15.Julia Ann [Born:Julia Ann Tavella, October 8, 1969 in Los Angeles,
California
16.Rachel Roxxx [Born:Rachel Lyn Cooper, March 2, 1983 in San Antonio,
Texas]
17.Carmella Bing [Born:Sarah Jane Fabbriciano, October 21, 1981, in
Salem, Oregon]
18.Sophie Dee [actual name; born January 17, 1984 in Llanelli, Wales,
UK]
19.Jenna Presley [Born:Britni Ruiz, April 1, 1987 in San Diego,
California]
20.Sara Jay [actual name; born November 14, 1977 in Cincinnati, Ohio]
21.Asa Akira [Born:Asa Takigami, January 2, 1986 in New York City, New
York]
22.Kagney Linn Karter [Born:Kagney Necessary, March 28, 1987 in
Houston, Texas]
23.Dylan Ryder [actual name; born: February 23, 1981 in Fresno,
California]
24.Rachel Starr [Born:Brandy Hargrove, November 26, 1983 in Burleson,
Texas]
25.Samantha Saint [Born on June 8, 1987 in Memphis, Tennessee]
http://www.porn-star.com/top100.html
OK, Lance; where's all those "porn stars [who] come from sexually
repressed red states and red districts. i bet its a fair amount:)"?
yet, it still does not refute the facts that eight out of the top ten
states that consume porn, are red states. do you have a problem
comprehending logic? i never denied that a blue state profits off of
red states that lust for porn. the empirical facts prove that eight
put of the ten top states that consume porn, are red states.
Post by JohnJohnsn
I won the bet, Lance; but you're probably a Usenet Bet Welcher like
The Lone Weasel (1957-2012: RIP, Lee).
what bet. you are to stupid to understand that the article with its
empirical facts, proves that eight out of the top ten states that
consume porn, are red states. are you daft?
Post by JohnJohnsn
Face it, Lance, you are a "one trick (blue) pony" with a single groove
record.
Oh, BTW, Lance: "blue" represents pornography. Ever hear of "blue
movies"?
yet its the red states that lap it
up:))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Post by JohnJohnsn
Nevertheless, I'm done with you.
QED and Sayonara.
because you have nothing.
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In blue states, families tend to be well-educated/have high-paying
jobs/ be tolerant of diversity/be politically liberal/They marry later
in life/have children in wedlock and are dedicated co-parents: Red
states have high rates of teen births, young (“shotgun”) marriages and
divorce. Red-state families are also less likely to be college
graduates, get top jobs or create households where husbands and wives
share equally in parenting and chores.



http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jul/25/red-vs-blue-family-in-black-and-white/


Red vs. blue family in black and white
Book outlines stark divisions
By Cheryl Wetzstein
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The Washington Times
Sunday, July 25, 2010
Young parents Bristol Palin and Levi Johnston may have gotten engaged
again recently, but they are still a quintessential “red” family
trying to swim against the tide of family change, say two family law
professors who have launched a debate about “red” and “blue” American
families.
The 2004 and 2008 elections showed a divided America — and that
division extends even to families, Naomi Cahn and June Carbone write
in their book, “Red Families v. Blue Families: Legal Polarization and
the Creation of Culture.”
In blue states, families tend to be well-educated, have high-paying
jobs, be tolerant of diversity and be politically liberal. They marry
later in life, have children in wedlock and are dedicated co-parents.
President Obama and first lady Michelle Obama are good examples of
this “blue” paradigm, Ms. Cahn, who teaches at George Washington
University, and Ms. Carbone, who teaches at the University of
Missouri, said at a recent event at the New America Foundation think
tank.
Red-state families, however, seem to be stuck in a time warp — they
tend to be more strict in their religious beliefs and aspire to
abstinence until marriage and marriage for life. But they often fall
short of these goals: Red states have high rates of teen births, young
(“shotgun”) marriages and divorce. Red-state families are also less
likely to be college graduates, get top jobs or create households
where husbands and wives share equally in parenting and chores.
This shows that “blue” families have adjusted to the evolution of
America’s family culture, while “red” families have not, Ms. Cahn and
Ms. Carbone said.
“The blue paradigm is the other end of the sexual revolution. Its
families have been remade and the remaking is a huge success,” they
wrote. But red families are still trying to live in bygone times, and
when children fail to live up to lofty aspirations, these families
bear the consequences.
Ms. Cahn and Ms. Carbone’s book has animated the pundits, with
criticism and praise from multiple quarters.
In California, Ruth Institute founder Jennifer Roback Morse sees
America’s family division through a different prism, one that was
outlined in the 1940s by Harvard sociologist Carle Zimmerman.
The Norman Rockwell-style “domestic” family has been “atomizing” for
decades, meaning that parents and children quickly move into
individuated lives, said Mrs. Morse, a former economics professor at
Yale and George Mason University.
Such an atomized — or “blue” — family culture cannot sustain itself,
and constantly calls for help from the state, she said. So a division
is created, but it is between families that want the state in their
lives and those that don’t.
A “domestic” family culture can regenerate, Mrs. Morse said.
But, as Mr. Zimmerman said, it reappears through a “counterrevolution”
against the state.
Others have called “Red Families v. Blue Families” groundbreaking:
“Cahn and Carbone have updated the old maxim that the personal is
political, and enormously enriched it,” Margaret Talbot wrote in the
New Yorker.
“[I]f you want to find two-parent families with stable marriages and
coddled kids, your best bet is to bypass Sarah Palin country and to go
Nancy Pelosi territory,” scholar Jonathan Rauch wrote in National
Journal magazine. That’s because in modern America, the new mantra is
“*on’t form a family until after you have finished your education and
are equipped for responsibility. … Adults form families,” he added.
As for prescriptions, Ms. Cahn and Ms. Carbone said one way to help
red families is to “change the subject” in key policy and family law
areas.
For instance, conversations could shift from abortion to
contraception. Sex education could shift to marriage education.
Second, instead of trying to shoehorn modern families into outdated
work paradigms, workplaces could be restructured to accommodate
employees who want to be fully vested in both careers and families.
But more talk about contraception doesn’t necessarily make for
stronger families because contraception often leads to multiple sex
partners, Family Research Council scholar Patrick Fagan told the New
America Foundation. Having multiple sexual partners is “part of the
equation of sexual dysfunction,” he said. “Monogamy is the key to the
stability of marriage.”
Meanwhile, news of Miss Palin and Mr. Johnston’s engagement brought a
response from Ms. Carbone.
“Most of us, of course, wish them well, and this time they might make
it work,” the professor wrote on the FamilyScholars.org blog.
However, “we are skeptical that marriage by itself is the answer that
magically makes things better,” she wrote. “In the modern era, the
question of whether they will marry may be less important than whether
they will stay married.”
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2012-03-21 04:39:38 UTC
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On Mar 20, 11:30 pm, JohnJohnsn <***@yahoo.com> wrote:


It is no coincidence that those 23 states that have passed right to
work laws are also the poorest states/with the highest income
inequality/lowest educational achievement/and receive the most in
public subsidies:wisconsin is about to join them



yea, driving your workers into poverty, is supposed to increase jobs
and wages, kinda like another crank conservative/libertarian/fascist
theory, expansionist austerity.
conservatism = poverty:))))))


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/harlan-green/recession-economy_b_1354258.html


Harlan Green
Editor and Publisher, PopularEconomics.com



Greater Lawlessness Causes Great Recessions
Posted: 03/19/2012 5:25 pm




We know Greg Smith's unveiling of Goldman Sachs' "culture" of profits
ahead of clients' interests was nothing new. And that real laws were
broken -- from conflicts of interest to outright fraud. The 2010
congressional hearings unveiled much of the double dealing that was
rationalized by Goldman Sachs' buyer-beware code -- its clients should
be sophisticated enough to know that Goldman would try to maximize its
own profits, before those of its clients.
But other laws were broken, as well as economic rules that govern
sound business practices, in the run up to the Great Recession.
Pundits have traced the decline of Wall Street ethics from the
morphing of partnership-owned investment banks to financial
corporations, as well as the enormous growth of financial markets that
bred outright greed.
But there is little mention of the behavior that caused our economic
decline into the Great Recession. Behind this culture of greed and
unethical behavior was a culture of greater lawlessness that can be
traced back to the early 1980s when President Ronald Reagan trumpeted
that government was the problem and more private enterprise the
solution for greater prosperity.
In attempting to downgrade governmental powers, conservative regimes
in particular began to consciously disregard the laws of our land --
from enforcement of existing regulations, to Iran-contra gun-running
in President Reagan's case, to abrogating international treaties such
as START and political muzzling Department of Justice attorneys
general under G.W. Bush, to name just a few cases.
The number of convicted criminals in those administrations tells part
of the story. President Reagan's administration was marked by multiple
scandals, resulting in the investigation, indictment, or conviction of
over 138 administration officials, the largest number for any U.S.
president.
And Salon.com had documented 34 incidents of law-breaking in just the
first 4 years of G.W. Bush's Presidency, the most blatant being
unmasking covert CIA operative Valerie Plame, and its fabricated
claims that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.
But even more damage was the disregard of basic economic safeguards by
successive Republican administrations. It was really the attempt of
Big Business to unravel the economic safeguards of the New Deal, first
spelled out in Paul Krugman's The Great Unraveling, by advocating
massive budget deficits to pay for a Pax Americana -- with especially
severe consequences for the old and poor.
"Deficits don't matter" was the infamous chant of Bush VP Dick Cheney.
At a time when economic inequality had risen to levels last seen in
the 1920s, these administrations wanted to divert attention from a
vanishing social safety net by proposing the ago-old Darwinian
solution -- the free market. For only the fittest will survive in a
world ruled by self-interest, rather than laws and regulations.
The United States, beginning in the 1980s once again became the most
ardent advocate and practitioner of the oldest form of capitalism, now
a primitive relic of 18th century enlightenment. This is but one part
of our aging democracy that U.S. hegemonists put up as the model for
western civilization. But it is a very imperfect model for the rest of
the world as well.

A 2002 survey of 38,000 people in 44 countries by
the Pew Center for the People and the Press found what they think of
our American Way. "Since 2000, favorability ratings for the U.S. have
fallen in 19 of the 27 countries where trend benchmarks are
available ... pluralities in most of the nations surveyed complain
about American unilateralism," says the study. They think we disregard
their interests in pursuit of our own self-interest.
Few dispute that our capitalistic economic system has won the day. It
produces great wealth, particularly for those at the top of the wealth
pyramid. Robert Reich's book, The Future of Success said it best: "By
the end of the (20th) century, the richest 1 percent of American
families, comprising 2.7 million people, had as many dollars to spend
after taxes as the bottom 100 million."
But not for the 99 percent majority, in other words. Why so much
greed, and willful lawlessness? This last happened in the 1920s run up
to the Great Depression. Fear overruled both laws and financial common
sense, so that the lobbyists of self-interest came to the fore. Our
economy was being transformed -- from rural to industrial economy,
which drove workers into the cities. Wages plunged along with prices,
and so did economic activity for more than 10 years. It was only
Roosevelt's New Deal that brought benefits to the larger majority of
citizens and leveled the economic playing field.
The same has happened today. Conservatives are again impoverishing the
economy in their attempt to destroy our working class as we know it,
by passing laws that ban collective bargaining in states like
Wisconsin, or right to work laws that say workers do not have to pay
union dues even though they derive the benefits from belonging to a
union. We know the results in Wisconsin after one year. Employment has
plunged and is the worst of the Midwest states that surround it,
according to the Economic Policy Institute.



It is no coincidence that those 23 states that have passed right to
work laws are also the poorest states, with the highest income
inequality, lowest educational achievement, and receive the most in
public subsidies. Taking incomes and wealth away from those states'
workers can only make them poorer in relation to other states and
regions, and be a continuing drain on public finances.
That is the real lesson of our greater lawlessness. By choosing to
break laws and regulations that govern economic activity, some
economies are being pushed back to levels of past centuries. For
workers will only produce more and better products and services when
they have the incentive to do so.
In the end, such greater lawlessness means a disregard for everyone
but one's own clan or tribe, a greater selfishness, and no country can
remain prosperous with such a breakdown in social welfare. That is the
lesson learned from the Great Depression and Great Recession. Policies
that ignore economic as well as civil laws, that continue to divert
incomes and wealth to the wealthiest, impoverish the majority.
Harlan Green © 2012
Ray Fischer
2012-03-21 01:11:49 UTC
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Post by JohnJohnsn
Post by Ray Fischer
Post by walt tonne
There is a direct correlation between the size of the latin
population and the local crime rate.
Usually inverse - cities on the border with Mexico have lower
crime rates.
Evidence?
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2011/07/usa-today-analysis-border-crime-rates-dont-match-rhetoric/1#.T2kqqngctUg
Post by JohnJohnsn
Post by Ray Fischer
A fact which racist bigots don't like to acknowledge.
First rule of the racist bigot: Whine about being called racist.
--
Ray Fischer | None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
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John
2012-03-20 19:02:21 UTC
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Post by Ray Fischer
Post by walt tonne
There is a direct correlation between the size of the latin
population and the local crime rate.
Usually inverse - cities on the border with Mexico have lower crime
rates. A fact which racist bigots don't like to acknowledge.
It's a known fact that niggers and spics do 99% of the crime, with a
little help from muslims.
NotMe
2012-03-20 19:42:07 UTC
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Post by John
Post by Ray Fischer
Post by walt tonne
There is a direct correlation between the size of the latin
population and the local crime rate.
Usually inverse - cities on the border with Mexico have lower crime
rates. A fact which racist bigots don't like to acknowledge.
It's a known fact that niggers and spics do 99% of the crime, with a
little help from muslims.
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